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| RAOF | └─(13:48:%)── dpkg --compare-versions 1.4.0+git2012.is.really.1.4.0-0ubuntu1 gt 1.4.0+git20101207.0d32bb07-0ubuntu2 || echo false | 03:49 |
| RAOF | false | 03:49 |
| RAOF | What crazy subtlety of dpkg version comparing am I missing here? | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | RAOF: so, using 1.4.0+git20120101.is.really.1.4.0-0ubuntu1 seems to work, though the date is now a lie | 03:54 |
| micahg | right | 03:54 |
| RAOF | Yeah, it's odd. | 03:54 |
| micahg | no, it makes sense in the context of versioning | 03:55 |
| RAOF | 1.4.0+git2012 > 1.4.0+git2010, but 1.4.0+git2012 < 1.4.0+git201001 | 03:55 |
| micahg | 20101207 > 2012 | 03:55 |
| RAOF | Ooooh. | 03:55 |
| RAOF | dpkg treats *all* numbers in the version string as numbers rather than strings? | 03:56 |
| micahg | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version might be worth a read | 03:56 |
| micahg | it goes chunk by chunk and compares AFAICT | 03:56 |
| micahg | so, 1.4.0+git20101207.is.really.1.4.0-0ubuntu1 should also work | 03:57 |
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| mux_ | Hi everyone, for my project I have decided to build a user-friendly desktop automation software for Ubuntu (like AppleScript and Automator). I know that ubuntu already has a powerful scripting environment (bash etc) So is it worthwhile to follow my idea?? Also what other features should i include to make it not redundant?? Thank You. | 05:07 |
| lifeless | make it a) not suck and b) work with GUI programs. | 05:09 |
| RAOF | To expand upon b) - you need to do something like hooking into GTKActions, which would be accessible via the same mechanisms as the HUD uses. | 05:10 |
| mux_ | RAOF: what is the demand for GUI desktop automation on linux...is it a problem worth solving?? or should we just tell users to learn BASH,python etc..? | 05:26 |
| mux_ | lifeless: how often do you find the need for such softwares on Ubuntu...? | 05:27 |
| RAOF | mux_: The non-GUI scripting landscape is pretty solid. | 05:36 |
| RAOF | mux_: It's also my understanding that one of the major features of AppleScript & Automator is that they *do* cover GUI apps. | 05:36 |
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| Sweetshark | Anyone here being able to help me debug that C++11 ABI mess? Starting LibreOffice on Quantal, New Presentation, Close -> Crash. Doesnt happen on precise. | 08:28 |
| Sweetshark | I tried to make a sense out of LD_DEBUG=all output, but did not find anything obviously dirty injecting std::list<> symbols there. | 08:28 |
| Sweetshark | mlankhorst: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1027043 <- here is the stacktrace | 08:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1027043 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in std::list<Link, std::allocator<Link> >::remove()" [Medium,Triaged] | 08:28 |
| Sweetshark | Has anyone a good systematic proposal on how to proceed? | 08:28 |
| geser | Sweetshark: if nobody gives you a better idea, try to rebuild the LO (c++-based) dependencies with gcc-4.6 to check which ones "triggers" it (try boost first if you already didn't try it) | 08:46 |
| Sweetshark | geser: all >1000 (direct and indirect) deps? *cough* and what do I do with the rest of my work items this cycle? | 08:51 |
| geser | that many? | 08:53 |
| Sweetshark | geser: LibreOffice integrates with everything -- thus it can get the dirty C++11 ABI from virtually anywhere in main. | 08:59 |
| Sweetshark | geser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1027043/comments/9 <- a feeble try at finding the source. | 09:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1027043 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in std::list<Link, std::allocator<Link> >::remove()" [Medium,Triaged] | 09:05 |
| geser | Sweetshark: did you ask chrisccoulson how he found the problematic library in his unity case? | 09:05 |
| geser | Sweetshark: you could try to continue to "upgrade" it slowly (as far as dependencies allow it) towards quantal till you find the right package (or set of packages) | 09:07 |
| goddard | how can i find out what a library is called so i can link it using cmake? | 09:39 |
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| mcclurmc | has the location for the R-series UDS been published yet? | 09:53 |
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| bluefoxxx | apparently people have made grub4dos load by 'kexec -l grub2.exe' | 13:43 |
| bluefoxxx | has anyone managed to get grub itself to load via kexec? | 13:44 |
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| stgraber | seb128, NCommander: ping (12.04.1 meeting in #ubuntu-meeting) | 14:01 |
| SpamapS | ugh, I think I stepped in bug 965371 ... this TLSv1.2 stuff is *sticky* | 14:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 965371 in openssl (Ubuntu Precise) "HTTPS requests fail on sites which immediately close the connection if TLS 1.1 negotiation is attempted, on Ubuntu 12.04" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965371 | 14:32 |
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| barry | slangasek: around? | 15:08 |
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| hallyn | so uploading to -proposed is also for hot bugs right, not just for low-prio features? | 15:46 |
| micahg | hallyn: in a stable release? it's not for features at all | 15:47 |
| hallyn | no in quantal | 15:47 |
| hallyn | during the current freeze | 15:47 |
| micahg | it's for anything on an image or anything that will cause installability issues | 15:48 |
| hallyn | ok | 15:48 |
| micahg | hallyn: this email explains it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-July/000968.html | 15:49 |
| hallyn | hggdh: I'm going to push the fix for your qemu-kvm bug to q-proposed right now. | 15:49 |
| hallyn | micahg: yeah, what i wasn't sure about was, for things which are blocking qa, is it worth pushing to quantal and respinning | 15:49 |
| hallyn | i'm taking the asnwer as no | 15:49 |
| hallyn | no wait :) | 15:49 |
| micahg | hallyn: ask in #ubuntu-release :) | 15:49 |
| hallyn | ok thanks :) | 15:50 |
| mcclurmc | i'm the upstream maintainer for a package in debian and ubuntu. it depends on qemu, but the paths to qemu are different on Debian and Ubuntu. is there a standard way to maintain a patch on top of a Debian package, so that the Ubuntu package points to the right qemu location? | 15:52 |
| micahg | mcclurmc: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/27/different-dependencies-between-debian-and-ubuntu-but-common-source-package/, see #4 | 16:02 |
| mcclurmc | thanks, micahg | 16:02 |
| hggdh | hallyn: thanks | 16:28 |
| mcclurmc | micahg: thanks for the link raphael's blog. unfortunately, it wasn't what i needed | 16:35 |
| micahg | mcclurmc: not the specifics, but the general concept should be there (dpkg-vendor in debian/rules) | 16:36 |
| mcclurmc | i need to be able to apply one patch to the upstream source if the package is on debian, and a different patch if the package is on ubuntu | 16:36 |
| mcclurmc | is there a way in debian rules to selectively apply patches from debian/patches? | 16:36 |
| micahg | mcclurmc: ah, then you need a series.DEBIAN and series.UBUNTU file in debian/patches | 16:36 |
| mcclurmc | ah ha! | 16:36 |
| mcclurmc | yes, i do need that :) | 16:36 |
| tumbleweed | watch out for those, it's easy for them to become stale for the other distribution | 16:36 |
| micahg | a lot of packages feed dynamic paths through debian/rules which is why I suggested the blog post | 16:36 |
| tumbleweed | because you generally only work on one of them | 16:37 |
| micahg | mcclurmc: right, both need the full set of patches | 16:37 |
| mcclurmc | is there documentation for this? a quick google didn't find me anything | 16:37 |
| PaoloRotolo | Hi all! | 16:38 |
| micahg | mcclurmc: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/11/05/managing-distribution-specific-patches-with-a-common-source-package/ | 16:39 |
| mcclurmc | micahg: i should probably read the rest of his blog too, shouldn't i? | 16:39 |
| micahg | heh, buxy tries hard to disseminate valuable information for distro collaboration | 16:40 |
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| adam_g | ScottK: re bug #1021530, is it correct to prepare a new package for -proposed with the patch that will fix the tests/FTBFS? | 17:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1021530 in openvswitch (Ubuntu Precise) "[SRU] update to include stable fixes for OVS 1.4" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021530 | 17:32 |
| ScottK | adam_g: Yes. Also, if they have other fixes that meet the SRU criteria, they should be considered as well (as I mentioned in the bug). | 17:33 |
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| carif | i recently heard a rumor that jockey was going away, is that true? will there be a replacement? | 19:43 |
| micahg | carif: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-July/035553.html | 19:49 |
| carif | micahg, dude, ty! | 19:50 |
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| === Laney changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Quantal Quetzal A3 prep | Archive: Open (DIF) | Dev' of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://bit.ly/HaWdtw | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> precise | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: | ||
| Laney | hallyn: upload away | 20:43 |
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| skaet | thanks Laney | 20:46 |
| Laney | np | 20:46 |
| === Laney changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Quantal Quetzal development | Archive: Open (DIF) | Dev' of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://bit.ly/HaWdtw | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> precise | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: | ||
| barry | kenvandine: ping | 20:47 |
| kenvandine | barry, pong | 20:48 |
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| Laney | A3 is out. Get it while it's hot! :-) | 21:26 |
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