=== Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth [01:18] /c/c === cpg is now known as cpg|away === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [03:49] └─(13:48:%)── dpkg --compare-versions 1.4.0+git2012.is.really.1.4.0-0ubuntu1 gt 1.4.0+git20101207.0d32bb07-0ubuntu2 || echo false [03:49] false [03:50] What crazy subtlety of dpkg version comparing am I missing here? [03:54] RAOF: so, using 1.4.0+git20120101.is.really.1.4.0-0ubuntu1 seems to work, though the date is now a lie [03:54] right [03:54] Yeah, it's odd. [03:55] no, it makes sense in the context of versioning [03:55] 1.4.0+git2012 > 1.4.0+git2010, but 1.4.0+git2012 < 1.4.0+git201001 [03:55] 20101207 > 2012 [03:55] Ooooh. [03:56] dpkg treats *all* numbers in the version string as numbers rather than strings? [03:56] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version might be worth a read [03:56] it goes chunk by chunk and compares AFAICT [03:57] so, 1.4.0+git20101207.is.really.1.4.0-0ubuntu1 should also work === chilicui1 is now known as chilicuil === spm is now known as stevemci === stevemci is now known as spm === cpg|away is now known as cpg [05:07] Hi everyone, for my project I have decided to build a user-friendly desktop automation software for Ubuntu (like AppleScript and Automator). I know that ubuntu already has a powerful scripting environment (bash etc) So is it worthwhile to follow my idea?? Also what other features should i include to make it not redundant?? Thank You. [05:09] make it a) not suck and b) work with GUI programs. [05:10] To expand upon b) - you need to do something like hooking into GTKActions, which would be accessible via the same mechanisms as the HUD uses. [05:26] RAOF: what is the demand for GUI desktop automation on linux...is it a problem worth solving?? or should we just tell users to learn BASH,python etc..? [05:27] lifeless: how often do you find the need for such softwares on Ubuntu...? [05:36] mux_: The non-GUI scripting landscape is pretty solid. [05:36] mux_: It's also my understanding that one of the major features of AppleScript & Automator is that they *do* cover GUI apps. === spm is now known as stevemci === stevemci is now known as spm === spm is now known as stevemci === stevemci is now known as spm === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [08:28] Anyone here being able to help me debug that C++11 ABI mess? Starting LibreOffice on Quantal, New Presentation, Close -> Crash. Doesnt happen on precise. [08:28] I tried to make a sense out of LD_DEBUG=all output, but did not find anything obviously dirty injecting std::list<> symbols there. [08:28] mlankhorst: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1027043 <- here is the stacktrace [08:28] Launchpad bug 1027043 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in std::list >::remove()" [Medium,Triaged] [08:28] Has anyone a good systematic proposal on how to proceed? [08:46] Sweetshark: if nobody gives you a better idea, try to rebuild the LO (c++-based) dependencies with gcc-4.6 to check which ones "triggers" it (try boost first if you already didn't try it) [08:51] geser: all >1000 (direct and indirect) deps? *cough* and what do I do with the rest of my work items this cycle? [08:53] that many? [08:59] geser: LibreOffice integrates with everything -- thus it can get the dirty C++11 ABI from virtually anywhere in main. [09:05] geser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1027043/comments/9 <- a feeble try at finding the source. [09:05] Launchpad bug 1027043 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in std::list >::remove()" [Medium,Triaged] [09:05] Sweetshark: did you ask chrisccoulson how he found the problematic library in his unity case? [09:07] Sweetshark: you could try to continue to "upgrade" it slowly (as far as dependencies allow it) towards quantal till you find the right package (or set of packages) [09:39] how can i find out what a library is called so i can link it using cmake? === mcclurmc_away is now known as mcclurmc [09:53] has the location for the R-series UDS been published yet? === yofel_ is now known as yofel === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === cpg is now known as cpg|away === _salem is now known as salem_ === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:43] apparently people have made grub4dos load by 'kexec -l grub2.exe' [13:44] has anyone managed to get grub itself to load via kexec? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [14:01] seb128, NCommander: ping (12.04.1 meeting in #ubuntu-meeting) [14:31] ugh, I think I stepped in bug 965371 ... this TLSv1.2 stuff is *sticky* [14:32] Launchpad bug 965371 in openssl (Ubuntu Precise) "HTTPS requests fail on sites which immediately close the connection if TLS 1.1 negotiation is attempted, on Ubuntu 12.04" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965371 === mcclurmc is now known as mcclurmc_away [15:08] slangasek: around? === mcclurmc_away is now known as mcclurmc === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ [15:46] so uploading to -proposed is also for hot bugs right, not just for low-prio features? [15:47] hallyn: in a stable release? it's not for features at all [15:47] no in quantal [15:47] during the current freeze [15:48] it's for anything on an image or anything that will cause installability issues [15:48] ok [15:49] hallyn: this email explains it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-July/000968.html [15:49] hggdh: I'm going to push the fix for your qemu-kvm bug to q-proposed right now. [15:49] micahg: yeah, what i wasn't sure about was, for things which are blocking qa, is it worth pushing to quantal and respinning [15:49] i'm taking the asnwer as no [15:49] no wait :) [15:49] hallyn: ask in #ubuntu-release :) [15:50] ok thanks :) [15:52] i'm the upstream maintainer for a package in debian and ubuntu. it depends on qemu, but the paths to qemu are different on Debian and Ubuntu. is there a standard way to maintain a patch on top of a Debian package, so that the Ubuntu package points to the right qemu location? [16:02] mcclurmc: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/27/different-dependencies-between-debian-and-ubuntu-but-common-source-package/, see #4 [16:02] thanks, micahg [16:28] hallyn: thanks [16:35] micahg: thanks for the link raphael's blog. unfortunately, it wasn't what i needed [16:36] mcclurmc: not the specifics, but the general concept should be there (dpkg-vendor in debian/rules) [16:36] i need to be able to apply one patch to the upstream source if the package is on debian, and a different patch if the package is on ubuntu [16:36] is there a way in debian rules to selectively apply patches from debian/patches? [16:36] mcclurmc: ah, then you need a series.DEBIAN and series.UBUNTU file in debian/patches [16:36] ah ha! [16:36] yes, i do need that :) [16:36] watch out for those, it's easy for them to become stale for the other distribution [16:36] a lot of packages feed dynamic paths through debian/rules which is why I suggested the blog post [16:37] because you generally only work on one of them [16:37] mcclurmc: right, both need the full set of patches [16:37] is there documentation for this? a quick google didn't find me anything [16:38] Hi all! [16:39] mcclurmc: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/11/05/managing-distribution-specific-patches-with-a-common-source-package/ [16:39] micahg: i should probably read the rest of his blog too, shouldn't i? [16:40] heh, buxy tries hard to disseminate valuable information for distro collaboration === mcclurmc is now known as mcclurmc_away [17:32] ScottK: re bug #1021530, is it correct to prepare a new package for -proposed with the patch that will fix the tests/FTBFS? [17:32] Launchpad bug 1021530 in openvswitch (Ubuntu Precise) "[SRU] update to include stable fixes for OVS 1.4" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021530 [17:33] adam_g: Yes. Also, if they have other fixes that meet the SRU criteria, they should be considered as well (as I mentioned in the bug). === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === carif_ is now known as carif [19:43] i recently heard a rumor that jockey was going away, is that true? will there be a replacement? [19:49] carif: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-July/035553.html [19:50] micahg, dude, ty! === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === fenris is now known as Guest85355 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === Laney changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Quantal Quetzal A3 prep | Archive: Open (DIF) | Dev' of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://bit.ly/HaWdtw | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> precise | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: [20:43] hallyn: upload away === salem_ is now known as _salem [20:46] thanks Laney [20:46] np === Laney changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Quantal Quetzal development | Archive: Open (DIF) | Dev' of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://bit.ly/HaWdtw | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> precise | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: [20:47] kenvandine: ping [20:48] barry, pong === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === jono is now known as Guest1847 === mcclurmc_away is now known as mcclurmc [21:26] A3 is out. Get it while it's hot! :-) === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === cpg|away is now known as cpg === mcclurmc is now known as mcclurmc_away === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates