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Chorin | Hello | 11:40 |
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Chorin | can anyone help me out with something? | 11:42 |
geser | just ask | 11:42 |
Chorin | ooh I think I might be in the wrong channel | 11:43 |
Chorin | I'm trying to get a usb wireless dongle to work | 11:43 |
Chorin | just for wifi in the house | 11:44 |
RainCT | Chorin: yeah, support is #ubuntu | 11:45 |
Chorin | awesome thanks | 11:45 |
Chorin | sorry to bother | 11:45 |
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tumbleweed | MOTU meeting reminder (10 mins) | 15:50 |
Laney | woah | 15:51 |
Laney | i did forget! | 15:51 |
* tumbleweed mostly missed the last one | 15:51 | |
tumbleweed | I assume there are things we should be doing for these meetings that we aren't | 15:51 |
tumbleweed | such as preparing beginner tasks | 15:51 |
ScottK | If anyone want to volunteer to maintain Qt3 so it doesn't get removed, now's your chance (See ubuntu-devel). | 16:12 |
micahg | scottK: I think the biggest burden is the LSB, once that's fixed, it can go | 16:14 |
ScottK | micahg: I claim we don't care. | 16:14 |
ScottK | ISV's don't target non-LTS releases to any degree anyway. | 16:14 |
micahg | 5.0 supposedly doesn't need it | 16:14 |
micahg | hrm, okies, Debian seems to have done away with it, but let's see if there's any pushback on -devel | 16:17 |
ScottK | In Debian lots of people whined, but when asked "Does that mean you're going to maintain it" they all got very quiet. | 16:20 |
ScottK | I expect the same here. | 16:20 |
micahg | well, the source is either in main or it's gone AFAIC, unless someone with significant resources commits to it | 16:21 |
micahg | it's a shame we couldn't have laid it to rest before precise was released | 16:24 |
ScottK | No, I think we needed it for the LTS. There is still significant ISV and science software that's never been ported. | 16:25 |
ScottK | Right after the LTS though is the perfect time to remove it. | 16:25 |
micahg | I agree, but it's still a shame :0 | 16:25 |
ScottK | The main thing is not to be the next gtk 1.2. | 16:26 |
* micahg guesses gtk2 will still be in 14.04 and maybe even 16.03 | 16:26 | |
micahg | *16.04 | 16:26 |
micahg | same with python2 | 16:27 |
bdrung | i guess that python2 will live way longer than gtk2 | 16:28 |
micahg | well, maybe not 16.04, I think I'd kill both of those with fire if they were still in universe by 16.04 | 16:28 |
micahg | especially with 5 year LTSs | 16:28 |
micahg | we can leverage backports for stragglers | 16:29 |
ScottK | Python is used by too many people for local scripts and things to go away anytime soon. | 16:30 |
micahg | 4 years away isn't enough? | 16:30 |
ScottK | No. | 16:30 |
micahg | it's not like python will be gone, there will be python3.whatever | 16:31 |
ScottK | Right, but, for example, I have production python code I haven't touched since 2006. | 16:32 |
micahg | well, I guess it'll depend on how much commitment there is for upstream support and how committed Debian is to removal | 16:32 |
micahg | scottK: right, but it'll be that code's 10 year anniversary, time for a tune up :) | 16:32 |
micahg | or were you planning on skipping 3 altogether and going straight to 4? :) | 16:33 |
ScottK | I plan on not spending time on it until I have to. | 16:34 |
ScottK | Although I did look at that particular file and the one bit that's tricky to port I stole from something else that I've already ported. | 16:34 |
ScottK | It's more that with python it's not packaged software migration you're up against, it's sysadmins trying to get their stuff done. | 16:35 |
PaoloRotolo | Hi all! | 16:39 |
agrestringere | +micahg you needed help with the Chromium PPA yes? | 16:42 |
micahg | agrestringere: yes, shall I add you to the list of people to contact when it's started up again? | 16:42 |
agrestringere | +micahg yes I'm a CS major here in NYC and a Linux nutter so I would love to volunteer and learn how it's done... | 16:43 |
agrestringere | I'll connect with you via launchpad | 16:46 |
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micahg | scottK: if I approved a backport, but it slipped through the cracks and didn't get uploaded and there's a newer version in quantal, can I upload the older version if it's not RC buggy? | 18:56 |
ScottK | micahg: Yes, but it's generally better to retest the new one. | 18:56 |
micahg | well, this had several reverse dependencies, so I'm reluctant to ask for that | 18:57 |
micahg | normally I'd agree, I'll check with the requestor though before uploading | 18:57 |
ScottK | OK. | 19:00 |
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