[11:40] <Chorin> Hello
[11:42] <Chorin> can anyone help me out with something?
[11:42] <geser> just ask
[11:43] <Chorin> ooh I think I might be in the wrong channel
[11:43] <Chorin> I'm trying to get a usb wireless dongle to work
[11:44] <Chorin> just for wifi in the house
[11:45] <RainCT> Chorin: yeah, support is #ubuntu
[11:45] <Chorin> awesome thanks
[11:45] <Chorin> sorry to bother
[15:50] <tumbleweed> MOTU meeting reminder (10 mins)
[15:51] <Laney> woah
[15:51] <Laney> i did forget!
[15:51]  * tumbleweed mostly missed the last one
[15:51] <tumbleweed> I assume there are things we should be doing for these meetings that we aren't
[15:51] <tumbleweed> such as preparing beginner tasks
[16:12] <ScottK> If anyone want to volunteer to maintain Qt3 so it doesn't get removed, now's your chance (See ubuntu-devel).
[16:14] <micahg> scottK: I think the biggest burden is the LSB, once that's fixed, it can go
[16:14] <ScottK> micahg: I claim we don't care.
[16:14] <ScottK> ISV's don't target non-LTS releases to any degree anyway.
[16:14] <micahg> 5.0 supposedly doesn't need it
[16:17] <micahg> hrm, okies, Debian seems to have done away with it, but let's see if there's any pushback on -devel
[16:20] <ScottK> In Debian lots of people whined, but when asked "Does that mean you're going to maintain it" they all got very quiet.
[16:20] <ScottK> I expect the same here.
[16:21] <micahg> well, the source is either in main or it's gone AFAIC, unless someone with significant resources commits to it
[16:24] <micahg> it's a shame we couldn't have laid it to rest before precise was released
[16:25] <ScottK> No, I think we needed it for the LTS.  There is still significant ISV and science software that's never been ported.
[16:25] <ScottK> Right after the LTS though is the perfect time to remove it.
[16:25] <micahg> I agree, but it's still a shame :0
[16:26] <ScottK> The main thing is not to be the next gtk 1.2.
[16:26]  * micahg guesses gtk2 will still be in 14.04 and maybe even 16.03
[16:26] <micahg> *16.04
[16:27] <micahg> same with python2
[16:28] <bdrung> i guess that python2 will live way longer than gtk2
[16:28] <micahg> well, maybe not 16.04, I think I'd kill both of those with fire if they were still in universe by 16.04
[16:28] <micahg> especially with 5 year LTSs
[16:29] <micahg> we can leverage backports for stragglers
[16:30] <ScottK> Python is used by too many people for local scripts and things to go away anytime soon.
[16:30] <micahg> 4 years away isn't enough?
[16:30] <ScottK> No.
[16:31] <micahg> it's not like python will be gone, there will be python3.whatever
[16:32] <ScottK> Right, but, for example, I have production python code I haven't touched since 2006.
[16:32] <micahg> well, I guess it'll depend on how much commitment there is for upstream support and how committed Debian is to removal
[16:32] <micahg> scottK: right, but it'll be that code's 10 year anniversary, time for a tune up :)
[16:33] <micahg> or were you planning on skipping 3 altogether and going straight to 4? :)
[16:34] <ScottK> I plan on not spending time on it until I have to.
[16:34] <ScottK> Although I did look at that particular file and the one bit that's tricky to port I stole from something else that I've already ported.
[16:35] <ScottK> It's more that with python it's not packaged software migration you're up against, it's sysadmins trying to get their stuff done.
[16:39] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[16:42] <agrestringere> +micahg you needed help with the Chromium PPA yes?
[16:42] <micahg> agrestringere: yes, shall I add you to the list of people to contact when it's started up again?
[16:43] <agrestringere> +micahg yes I'm a CS major here in NYC and a Linux nutter so I would love to volunteer and learn how it's done...
[16:46] <agrestringere> I'll connect with you via launchpad
[18:56] <micahg> scottK: if I approved a backport, but it slipped through the cracks and didn't get uploaded and there's a newer version in quantal, can I upload the older version if it's not RC buggy?
[18:56] <ScottK> micahg: Yes, but it's generally better to retest the new one.
[18:57] <micahg> well, this had several reverse dependencies, so I'm reluctant to ask for that
[18:57] <micahg> normally I'd agree, I'll check with the requestor though before uploading
[19:00] <ScottK> OK.