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christelGOOD MORNING PRETTIES06:25
MartijnVdS\o06:43
diploMorning all07:00
christelmorning diplo, MartijnVdS \o/07:33
diploToo many beers were had last night :(07:37
* diplo is getting old it seems07:37
AlanBellmorning all07:37
AlanBellcan't tell you much about the Olympics opening ceremony, but it will be well worth watching and it won't be like anything you have seen before07:38
diploAlanBell: Still probably won't watch it.07:43
christeldiplo: hehe07:43
christelsurely there is no such thing as Too Many Beers?07:44
diploWell, no tea and then drinking meant I felt a little worse for wear by the time we got to the last pub07:44
diploI honestly think the heat had a part to play in it last night07:44
diploCouldn't believe how hot it stayed till quite late07:44
christelhehe07:45
jacobwmorning07:45
christelyeah it was lovely, i sat outside till about 11:30 just enjoying everything being Quiet :)07:45
diploI think I was well in bed by then ( very very unusual for me )07:48
christelhehe07:48
diploWhat are people doing today then ?07:57
bigcalm_laptopGood morning peeps!08:03
wenchkinmorning :)08:04
davmor2Morning All08:10
bigcalm_laptopUg08:10
davmor2bigcalm_laptop: prod, wake up08:10
davmor2czajkowski: prod Morning08:10
christelgood morning bigcalm_laptop :)08:11
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czajkowskimorning08:19
christelGOOD MORNING NAURA08:21
christel<308:21
matttmorning morning morning08:21
* mattt falls asleep on keyboard08:21
brobostigongood morning everyone.08:26
BigRedSGood morning!08:30
christelmorning <308:30
brobostigonmorning christel and BigRedS08:30
czajkowskichristel: hehehe08:32
oimonbeautiful day08:32
matttanyone make it to the openstack meetup last night?08:36
christeloh yes, how was that naura czajkowski ?08:36
matttthe view from that building was amazing :P08:37
czajkowskivery good08:37
christel:)08:37
czajkowskiover 1000 people in attendance08:37
czajkowski*10008:37
czajkowskieven08:37
christelbriilliant :)08:37
AlanBellO.o08:37
mattthttps://twitter.com/mattt416/status/228229175566299137/photo/1/large08:37
* mattt wants an office there08:37
czajkowskimattt: were you at it ?08:37
AlanBellstill 100 is rather a lot08:37
christelAlanBell: sssh, she doesn't know how to count ;)08:38
matttczajkowski: yepper08:38
czajkowskiwell you suck for not coming and saying hi so08:38
czajkowskiAlanBell: OVER 100 :)08:38
matttczajkowski: was with my wife, she'd have called me a dork for going up to strangers from IRC08:38
mattt:P08:38
czajkowskipoor logic08:38
czajkowskiso we;re going to have one each month08:38
czajkowskiexcept August due to some poxy games lark08:38
czajkowskiwill ned to keep better management of time however08:39
czajkowskiwe only got around to one lightening talk08:39
matttah, were there more scheduled?08:39
matttit'd be nice if you could have a few sessions, break, then go back in08:39
matttgot a bit hot in there after a while08:39
JamesTaitMorning all! :)08:41
matttczajkowski: what was the guy's name in the orange ubuntu shirt who organized?08:41
czajkowskiMark baker08:42
czajkowskiit was very warm in there08:42
matttgreat, will ping him to see if i can help sponsor the next one08:44
czajkowskimattt: do you want his address08:45
matttczajkowski: please, would save me googling for it :)08:46
czajkowskinp08:46
czajkowskimattt: sent to pm08:46
diploSo, an actualy linux question from me, we use F1->F5 for our character based system, anyone know how to bind keys in terminator or if need be gnome-terminal in 12.04 ?08:46
gordhum, yes. yes. i quite like 80mbit internet. it pleases me.08:54
popeyquite chuffed, i made a script to do automated unity testing in a vm last night08:56
popeyit's probably awful08:56
popeygiven I'm not really a coder :)08:56
gordrunning ap?08:57
popeyya08:57
directhexbadger badger08:57
gordneato08:57
popeyclones a vm, ssh's into it and runs it all then scps the logs out and shuts it down08:57
popeyyou can specify a ppa and packages names on the command line08:57
oimonmy machine hangs badly when performing i/o (e.g. apt-get upgrade ) - any suggestions as to what i can do ? (without buying new hardware)08:57
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gordits been a while since i ran ap, does it still take about an hour to complete? ;)08:57
popeyso you can run two in parallel, one as a base and one with extra packages08:57
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popey~30-40 mins here08:57
ali1234i'm running unity in virtualbox at the moment, it's really slow08:57
popeythis is why i wanted to automate it08:57
gordunity in virtualbox flies for me, its great08:58
popeysame here08:58
gordmake sure to install the guest additions from virtual box themselves not the repos08:58
ali1234when i click outside virtualbox and then click back inside the virtualbox, the VM hangs for about 30 seconds08:58
popeyoh i have the repo one08:58
AlanBellrepo additions work for me08:58
popeyvirtualbox-guest-x1108:58
AlanBellbut always install from the guest's repos08:58
popeyI should put this script in bzr for you to all laugh at :)08:59
gordi had bad experiences with the repo ones or a while, they could of upgraded them08:59
AlanBelldon't install from the host repos and inject them into the guest if the host is an older release08:59
popeylp is jolly slow today09:01
czajkowskiI'll gladly kick it09:02
czajkowskialthough that many anger the demi gods the lpadders09:02
bigcalm_laptopFinished the morning's admin, I can do proper work at last!09:04
* bigcalm_laptop flakes out in here09:04
gordmwahaha nothings slow anymoooore09:06
gordnot even launchpad09:06
bigcalm_laptopgord: now you have fast interwebs, you can come and join us :P09:07
christelbigcalm_laptop: come do my invoicing09:07
oimonguys, i cant handle firefox any longer - can anyone advise what's the privacy issue with chrome when compared with chromium?09:08
livingdaylighthola ubunteros09:08
bigcalm_laptopchristel: do you think I'm crazy?09:08
christel:(09:09
christelwhat's crazy about doing my invoices? :(09:09
bigcalm_laptopThe answer is yes09:09
christelhehe09:09
livingdaylightI gotz a question: is there a way to attach a panel on which other apps can attach and rest? Since the Global Menu has supplanted the regular panel in gnome 2 some apps I fear do not show icon anymore. Particularly, one screencapture app I need/love Clip2Net isn't running in Ubuntu Unity.09:10
gordbigcalm_laptop: oor, i could beam a hologram of me?09:12
gordyou guys have a shrine of me when i'm not there right?09:12
gordjust put me on webcam in the middle o that09:13
gordof*09:13
bigcalm_laptopHaha09:13
livingdaylightits that or I have to revert back to some form of classic ubuntu... Mate, cinnammon and what not09:14
oimonlivingdaylight, you can whitelist apps09:16
livingdaylightsometing perhaps to do with g/conf but I dont' know noting about it09:16
livingdaylightwhitelist?09:16
livingdaylighthttp://www.howtogeek.com/68119/how-to-bring-app-icons-back-into-unitys-system-tray/ maybe this will help09:17
ali1234interesting09:19
ali1234i just have ['JavaEmbeddedFrame', 'Wine', 'Update-notifier']09:19
ali1234in that key09:19
ali1234explains why my skype never shows an icon09:19
ali1234however i have to wonder how that happened09:19
oimonthey are the defaults ali123409:19
* AlanBell looks foward to the BBQ on Saturday \o/09:19
ali1234oimon: skype is supposed to be whiteisted by default09:20
gordAlanBell: you are having that somewhere down south right?09:20
AlanBellgord: yes, surrey09:20
ali1234well, adding skype didn't make it appear in the tray09:21
ali1234i guess it's just broken09:21
AlanBellweather forecast is looking paddling poolish09:21
gordah, bit far for me, take video of popey ironing something on like a swing or something09:21
oimonis skype the name of the app?09:21
oimoni don't think it's the process name, but some other name09:21
ali1234how should i know?09:21
oimonmay be case senstivie too09:22
AlanBellyes, the trampoline will be out too ;)09:22
AlanBellczajkowski: no stillettos on the trampoline09:22
ali1234also sound is breaking up again09:22
ali1234pulseaudio: still broken after several years09:22
oimonali1234, do you have unsettings installed?09:22
ali1234no idea09:23
* popey moves somewhere nicer09:23
oimonit's a cute app for tweaking unity, also features whitelist09:23
ali1234i set it to "all" and it still doesn't work09:23
oimongrep TrayChild "${HOME}/.xsession-errors"09:24
ali1234oh hang on09:24
oimontry that ^^09:24
oimonSkype needs capital S09:24
diplogord: Where are you based ?09:24
gorddiplo: crewe09:24
diploHmm, probably a bit far then, was going to say if you didn't want to drive all the way down I could do halfway thing09:25
diploBut that's a fair old way09:25
diploAbout 75/80 miles for me09:25
ali1234yeah there we go. indicator applet complete doesn't actually handle the tray09:25
ali1234now to figure out why sound is messed up yet again09:26
oimonnow can anyone help me hide the pop-under that appears for updates? i want them to appear old style in the systray without the pop under09:26
daubersLooks like I've found a talk for Oggcamp, and it wasn't even anywhere near what I was originally intending to talk about09:34
czajkowskiAlanBell: no fear I'm flip flop happy09:40
AlanBellczajkowski: in that case you can certainly bounce on the trampoline09:40
czajkowskiand bounce bounce SNAP goes my spine09:40
czajkowskiI'll avoid it :)09:40
czajkowskihows that09:40
czajkowskiand send Jon and the chicken on it09:40
AlanBellthat works too09:40
AlanBelldon't want to send you home in pieces09:41
christelrawr09:41
christelyes, let's not break czajkowski09:41
christelthat'd be sad :(09:41
livingdaylightwell, this dconf appears broken or its not resolving my issue on any count09:42
czajkowskidaubers: oh do tell09:44
bigcalm_laptopI wonder if this cafe is serving  me decafe coffee09:44
* bigcalm_laptop falls asleep09:44
bigcalm_laptop(or would like to)09:45
* christel eyes the brief from her client09:45
bigcalm_laptopchristel: Clients are sending you underwear now?09:45
christeli wish!09:45
christelit was a job brief ;)09:45
christeli have to be concise, sleek and punchy as the visual style of the campaign is very minemalistic, bold and focused on the image of the product.. apparently09:46
christelPUNCHY!09:46
AlanBellfully buzzword compliant09:46
christelindeed!09:46
ali1234also it needs to be 20% cooler09:46
diploSo what do you do for a job christel ?09:47
christel$client is presenting "Print 3.0" as a new philosophy for printing redefined! (being a play on the concepts of web 1.0 and 2.0)09:47
oimonumm09:48
christeldiplo: i write words ;)09:48
christelin a concise, sleek and punchy manner apparently09:48
christeldiplo: i translate/copy-write/transcreate etc :)09:49
diploNice09:49
daubersczajkowski: I'd intended to do something on hackspaces (because that's kinda becoming a passion I think) but looks like work will take precedence and I'll need to do something on finding out what people want from dev jobs and how to find devs (as 5 agencies have so far failed)09:49
diploLot's of work out there ?09:49
czajkowskidaubers: one can always do 209:50
christelway too much -- i outsource probably about 80% of the stuff that passes through09:50
czajkowskiperhaps one can be a lightening talk09:50
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livingdaylightused to love gnome ubuntu, but finding the experience frustrating at every turn since unity, albeit s improvements, and don't know where to turn to. kde? hrmmm :s10:30
davmor2livingdaylight: what are you trying to do in dconf10:34
popeylivingdaylight, frustrating how?10:34
livingdaylightdavmor2, enable it so clip2net would show on systray. It worked, but regardlessly, the app still no longer works in Unity.10:35
livingdaylightpopey, system feels fragile at every turn10:35
popeycan you be more specific?10:35
livingdaylighthaving many apps open and navigating from one workspace to another seems to weaken the apps over time10:35
popeyI'm not sure I understand what you mean by "weaken the apps"10:37
popeymy laptop is running 12.04 for example and I have about 8 apps open which have been open for a couple of days.10:37
NiyakunUNITY is a waste of time10:38
popeyI've suspended, resumed multiple times10:38
popeyNiyakun, useful feedback, thanks10:38
NiyakunUNITY is the worst thing ever created10:38
popeyNiyakun, troll elsewhere please10:38
directhexever noticed how trolls capitalize? i see the same from people moaning about "MONO"10:38
livingdaylightthe way the windows function, navigating back and forth... At first the file menu will show, but over time they will no longer. Skype meanders across other workspaces... and will not activate after clicking icon - works intermittently10:38
Niyakunpopey: It is not trolling, Unity makes it harder to work10:39
popeyNiyakun, works for me10:39
popeylivingdaylight, is this an issue only with skype, or other apps too?10:40
Niyakunpopey: in GNOME 2 you  could click and get a menu, point to a submenu and lauch an app easily, in UNITY, you got to type the name, isn't it more work?10:40
popeynope10:40
popeyI can launch apps faster in unity than in GNOME 210:40
popeytap super, type au, press enter, and I have audacity open10:41
popeyno waiting for menus10:41
livingdaylightfirefox too... I finally cut clip2net to sit in systray after playing with dconf but when I launched it, entire screen went berserk and had to reboot10:41
BigRedSWaiting for alt-F2 to start working irritates the crap out of me in Unity, tbh10:41
NiyakunI find it harder to type with the keyboard than point with the mouse10:41
popeylivingdaylight, never heard of clip2net, sorry10:41
gordi could go through my bookmarks to find a website i want, or i could just type it in the address bar and have firefoxes awesomebar find it10:41
BigRedSNiyakun: Ah, then you'd likely be better off with a more menu-driven DE, perhaps10:41
BigRedSUnity, as with all software, doesn't work well for everyone, that's why there's so many10:42
brobostigonNiyakun: well, it is nominally quicker, if you can keep your hands on the keyboard, and you dont need to shuffle hands back and forth.10:42
popeyalso, arriving in an ubuntu channel, and the first words out of your mouth being "UNITY is a waste of time"10:42
livingdaylightpopey, alt+f2 existed before and we had gnome-do, so there were quick ways of launching apps in gnome 2 also. But its more the feeling of stability and navigating between workspaces now in unity which feels worser for Unity10:42
popeythat _is_ troll behaviour, whether you think it is or not10:42
directhexi agree that unity has a bunch of steps backwards, workflow wise, at least for me and the users i support. but it's less terrible than gnome shell10:42
BigRedSlivingdaylight: alt-f2 wasn't as searching as the windwos key thing is now10:42
BigRedSit *is* now in unity, which is broken IMO10:43
Niyakunwhat if I am in a place that is dark, I can't read the keys. In case of a mouse, it is not a problem, you can point anywhere10:43
popeyturn a light on10:43
Niyakunpopey: it is not worth it10:43
BigRedSNiyakun: then install something else10:43
BigRedSXFCE's a lot like Gnome 210:43
BigRedSso's MATE and Cinnamon10:43
BigRedSNobody's forcing you to use Unity any more than they used to force you to use Gnome 210:43
BigRedSit's just a default, and one which you're free to change10:44
popeyas the BBC say "Other desktops are available"10:44
Niyakunyes I know, however IMO it is a stupid idea to keep a broken DE like UNITY as the default one10:44
BigRedSAll DEs are broken10:44
davmor2Niyakun: that's okay hit window key + a and setup up the applications lens with filtering and then you are presented with  the old gnome 2 categories10:44
livingdaylightBigRedS, you're most probably right. I'm just describing my own personal user-experience and reticence vis a vis unity and feel I must search elsewhere for a stable os. just not sure where though :s10:44
BigRedSEvery one of them has objective flaws10:44
BigRedSand even more subjective ones. You pick the one whose flaws irritate you the least and go with that10:44
popeyor.. you could go into an ubuntu channel and tell the people who work on it that it's useless?10:45
BigRedSthe default is the one judged to irritate people the least. IME, lots of people don't have a problem with Unity10:45
popeyyes, that's a much better idea10:45
popeythat one wins10:45
BigRedSmaybe they just all have lightbulbs?10:45
BigRedSlivingdaylight: Gnome3 works for me pretty well10:45
BigRedSalt-f2 behaves teh same as gnome2 which is the biggie :)10:45
NiyakunBigRedS: UNITY most likely irritates 90% of people10:45
BigRedSNiyakun: not in my experience10:46
popeyNiyakun, [citation needed]10:46
BigRedS(and nor does Unity)10:46
NiyakunThe left panel takes a lot of space10:46
christelimagine how great it could be if those 90% contributed to improving it then10:46
livingdaylightdirecthex, I'm not super impressed with gnome shell either. I gave Deepin a whirl and wasn't overimpressed, which is why I came back to Ubuntu. I don't mind Unity too much. I set it to Autohide and consider it as a docky on the side, but the word you used "workflow" is good... and i agree it is setps backwards... stability is also an issue for me.10:46
Niyakununity for sure is a step backwards10:47
BigRedSlivingdaylight: anything that's not gnome2 (or whatever you're used to) is going to feel unimpressive to begin with10:47
BigRedSNiyakun: what are you expecting to gain from repeating that mantra?10:47
davmor2BigRedS: alt_f2 in unity is run command and also shows run command history too10:47
livingdaylightBigRedS, good for you... :) but if someone is experiencing issues and all you can say in reply is "well, its working for me" well, it doesn't help or change my mind :)10:47
BigRedSNiyakun: you're not going to convert anyone - we've generally made our minds up by using it10:47
BigRedSdavmor2: yeah, but if I hit alt-F2 within about 30seconds of logging in, enter something and hit enter nothing happens10:48
NiyakunBigRedS: if you are a dev, possibly remove it as the default, else wait till Ubuntu becomes the least popular distro10:48
BigRedSI need to wait for it to do whatever it needs to do to be able to show search resultsm, and *then* it starts working10:48
davmor2BigRedS: works here10:48
BigRedSlivingdaylight: I'm not trying to change your mind10:48
BigRedSI was just suggesting an alternative10:48
BigRedSI've long since stopped caring what software other people use, so long as I get to use software that doesn't annoy me too much10:48
diplodavmor2: I have same issue as BigRedS as well, and i mentioed the other day about dash taking quite a while to open10:49
BigRedSNiyakun: How is repeatedly saying "Unity is a step backwards" going to solve that?10:49
diploSo I just use gnome do for quick launching :)10:49
livingdaylightBigRedS, i've given unity a good whirl but if apps I like don't function when they used to over the years, which is why i've even got used to them, then that is retrograde. and the apps that I do have struggle functioning seemlessly thaat also makes me uncomforatble. One wants to feel like  one is sitting inside a solid relaiable vehicle, so to speak10:50
BigRedSlivingdaylight: yeah. I agree. I'm not sure why you're saying all this :)10:50
livingdaylighterr, not sure anymore either lol...10:51
davmor2livingdaylight: try xubuntu, it's more like the old gnome2 that you are used to, I'd try it in a vm initially10:52
livingdaylighti was just airing my feelings, and popey wanted specifics and you're telling me how marvelous it actually is :) so it carried on... The point is I don't quite know where to turn now10:52
bigcalm_laptopYay for xubuntu-desktop \o/10:52
popeylivingdaylight, i was trying to figure out if there were bugs we should work on10:52
BigRedSlivingdaylight: ah, no, I'm not really a lover of Unity. I just know people who are.10:52
popeywe can't work on wooly "no longer works" type statements, thats all10:52
BigRedSI just remember when I started using Gnome3 and it felt awful and very not-gnome2, but now it seems brilliant10:53
BigRedSA few hours isn't, IMO, really enough time to get a good feel of a DE10:53
davmor2livingdaylight: feel free to write bugs on apps that don't function with steps to reproduce and then the community and devs can work on it10:53
popeylivingdaylight, my team are responsible for releasing new versions / updates to unity, so it's good for us to know the specifics of what is broken so we can feed back to the developers, and target the right bits to fix10:54
Niyakunlivingdaylight: The UNITY icons are too large on a desktop. You got to move the cursor more. It is not a phone, so I don't see any reason for having so large icons10:54
livingdaylightI actually quite liked unity as a launcher and the Global menu also as it removed one unnecessary panel, leaving more room for screen realestate, its actually a shame having to admit that from a practical and functional point of view, being honest, it is letting me down. I have no emotional or political bias or investment... I mean I was never a hater, so, I don't fall innto that category. but hopefully feedbac10:54
livingdaylightk is taken onboard and not just swept aside with "it works great for me, here"10:54
popeyNiyakun, my icons are 32x32 which isnt large10:54
popeylivingdaylight, feedback _is_ taken on board if it's given in a useful way10:54
BigRedSit's bigger than I'd make them. But it's adjustable isn't it, anyway?10:55
popeyyes10:55
livingdaylightNiyakun, they can be made smaller, the icons... As i had it on Autohide, it left even more room for screen real-estate and I actually left icons default size after trying it smaller. default felt balanced size for screen10:55
popeyi tried 64x64 for fun the other day :)10:55
BigRedSand I thought *I* had odd hobbies :)10:56
oimonwhich company started the massive icon idea? i'm not thinking of fisher price either10:56
Niyakunlivingdaylight: I then need to install it on a spare PC. Last time, on my netbook, it wasn't responsive and CPU usage was high, so I removed it10:56
livingdaylightdavmor2, yea, xubuntu... I like the bells and whistles of gnome on a powerful desktop at least..10:56
popeylivingdaylight, so, do you have specific bugs to report?10:57
KungFuPandahi guys, how to test Imagemagick is installed successful ? under centOS ?10:57
oimoni've found my desktop sweet spot, i hope it continues10:57
popeyKungFuPanda, you may be in the wrong place10:57
popeybut rpm -q imagemagick  might help?10:58
BigRedScentOS is definitely a wrong place to be10:58
oimonKungFuPanda, or run a command like convert10:58
popeyhah10:58
livingdaylightNiyakun, i don't knwo whether it is a resource hog or not, maybe, but icon-size wise with Auto-hide mode i don't find it an encumbrance... What I don't like or what I prefer, in gnome2 is how the workspaces are laid out and how one can navigagte between them and add more than 4. The quadrant in unity and switching between them is a nightmare, imo10:58
livingdaylightpopey, I did10:58
popeylivingdaylight, the bugs you've just described?10:58
popeygot bug numbers?10:58
livingdaylightpopey, I'd love to know whether clip2net works for you in unity10:59
popeyi have no idea what clip2net even is10:59
popeyits not in the repo10:59
livingdaylighti don't know how to give them bug numbers - i've described many things which dont work or function stably10:59
BigRedSlivingdaylight: yeah, workspaces was one of the first things I fixed11:00
BigRedSyou can change tehm in ccsm11:00
livingdaylightits a screencapture tool - google it11:00
KungFuPandathanks, rpm -q, package imagemagick is not installed, damn install imagemagick under centOs is hard,11:00
livingdaylightBigRedS, for real? tell me, please11:00
BigRedSyeah11:00
popeylivingdaylight, yes, you have described them here, in irc. but the best way to tell developers something is broken is to file a bug11:00
BigRedSapt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager (perhaps with different hyphenation)11:00
BigRedSthen run ccsm11:00
livingdaylightpopey, ok, fair enough...11:00
BigRedSand mess around in the 'Unity' section11:00
popeylivingdaylight, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingBugs11:01
livingdaylightBigRedS, and so, you have the workspaces set how?11:01
BigRedSYou can 'fix' a lot of the odd design decisions in unity that way11:01
BigRedSlivingdaylight: I told it I wanted one wide and four high11:01
BigRedSbut you can tell it whatever you like11:01
Niyakunlivingdaylight: get a netbook with atom processor (like my aspire one aod250) and put ubuntu. I read that it should default to Unity built on Qt but it did not. It loaded Unity (that runs on gnome) and it wasn't responsive11:01
BigRedSand ctrl-alt-arrow moves, but I think that's a default anyway11:01
livingdaylightok, i'll have a look, but I'll probably have to move away from Ubuntu for a while until it matures a bit more11:02
BigRedSwhy not just use a different DE under Ubuntu11:02
BigRedS?11:02
BigRedSI don't understand this "I dislike Unity so I must use a different distro" thing11:02
BigRedSJust seems like a load of unneeded faff11:02
livingdaylightctrl-alt arrows moves them, but I never know whether I'm in the top-left quadrant or bottom right etc11:02
BigRedSespecially since Xubuntu's packaging of XFCE is pretty good11:02
oimonyou never get desktop whinge in windows/mac cos you can't change DE11:03
BigRedSlivingdaylight: yeah, that's why I made them into a strip11:03
davmor2livingdaylight: you could try screencloud that should give you similar functionality and is built for Ubuntu maybe?  it would be good to know how it compares11:03
BigRedSwell, that and 'cause I kept forgetting there was a sideways11:03
diploKungFuPanda: Isn't it in the normal repos on CentOS11:03
diploI thought it was11:03
davmor2livingdaylight: it also has an indicator11:03
livingdaylightBigRedS, dude, its cos its not JUST the workspace issue - its everything! I happen to use a screencapture tool and have been using clip2net for years and it still works in kde and every other non-unity distro - nothing personal11:04
KungFuPandaThis version prevents the ImagickPHP class from working properly, and also prevents the extension from being installed via PECL.11:04
diploah right, version issue11:04
BigRedSlivingdaylight: okay, so just install kde or xfce or gnome or whatever11:04
BigRedSI'm not trying to make you use Unity, just explaining what I did to make unity more friendly11:05
popeyKungFuPanda, have you considered #centos ?11:05
BigRedSswitching distros because you dislike the default DE sounds like way more hassle than I'd be up for11:05
BigRedSso I spent a bit of time fixing unity, and that seems okay11:05
BigRedSand when it's not I use a different DE11:05
livingdaylightBigRedS, and I DO appreciate that, amigo - i do... I 'll still install cssm and give it a whirl11:05
KungFuPandathanks, yes, I just join a centos#11:05
diploGood luck in there, not the friendliest bunch :)11:06
NiyakunBigRedS: if someone is using LXDE, there is no point of keeping Ubuntu and seeing the Ubuntu screen on boot11:07
bigcalm_laptopNiyakun: Ubuntu is more than just the window manager11:08
BigRedSNiyakun: why not?11:08
diplopopey: Beautiful cat mate, keep debating getting another11:09
popeyyeah, not mine11:09
diplooh :D11:09
AlanBellI would think if you install lubuntu-desktop you will get lubuntu branding and lxde11:09
popeyif you didnt, its a bug11:09
Niyakunwhy not install LXDE on tiny core linux11:09
AlanBellsure, do that if you want11:10
popeydo that if you want to11:10
oimoncentos have improved, at least theo other day were v helpful11:10
diploNiyakun: You do understand that the DE is not ubuntu, Ubuntu is the whole ecosystem and support11:10
diploThat's why I still use ubuntu as everything else is what makes it better.11:11
diplonot the DE11:11
diploheh oimon, I left there and vowed not to go back... but probably will at one point.11:11
diplo#perl was similar as well11:11
oimonyeah, was much better experience11:11
diplokeep meaning to just your sl channel11:12
oimoni changed job a bit, so haven't been using SL for 6 months11:12
diplooh, prefer the new work ?11:12
oimonbetter not answer that :S11:12
oimonIBM hardware is absolutely terrible11:13
oimonshocking11:13
oimonsomething breaks every few days, and the firmware is buggy, and it doesn't work well with vmware11:13
oimonetc etc11:13
diploWe used to have 2 x Rs/6000's11:14
diploYou don't need to preach me about their support, software and hardware sucked11:14
diploBut software was worse11:14
oimonyeah, java 1GB install just to do something dell would do with an embedded web server11:15
oimontheir version of DRAC absolutely sucks11:15
oimoni hope someone is sacked for chossing IBM11:16
davmor2popey:  on quantal do you have an issue with the indicators theme going light grey?11:16
popeyis that still happening?11:16
AlanBellDaviey: are you coming to the BBQ?11:16
davmor2popey:  it is here11:16
popeybummer11:16
bigcalm_laptopJust shortened my stay at oggcamp due to a work commitment on the Monday :(11:17
MyrttiAlanBell: do you want foods/drinks to be brought?11:18
czajkowskiMyrtti: you coming to the BBQ ?11:18
davmor2popey: http://ubuntuone.com/3cqXnsL1UNlW38wlQhaWFz11:18
davmor2popey:  odd thing is they all started dark some are now light and others are still dark11:19
popeyi am not on quantal on this system right now11:19
livingdaylighthey, where is this bbq? :p11:19
Myrtticzajkowski: unless I get eaten by a pair of massive dogs (likely), fall sick (unlikely) or end up in an accident of some sort (very unlikely)11:19
AlanBellfood/drinks would be great Myrtti, but not essential (just helps it scale better as I have no idea how many people are coming)11:19
czajkowskiMyrtti: excellent11:19
MyrttiAlanBell: alright, I see if I can find nice courgettes and perhaps make a few of my filled mushrooms.11:20
AlanBellI will get a heap of basic sausages in the fridge as a fallback11:20
davmor2popey: system dark, calendar dark, battery dark, sound, wifi and messaging light11:20
AlanBellgreat, I kind of want people to bring interesting things :)11:20
* davmor2 wants someone to take an elephant and a tiger now to see AlanBell's face#11:21
AlanBellno feeding the chickens to the tiger11:22
* diplo expects he will be boring and bring usual bbq stuff11:23
AlanBellwhat is the stuff you put in pimms?11:24
AlanBelllemonade and assorted vegetation11:24
brobostigonmint11:24
oimonstrawberriess and mint11:24
popeyan allotment11:25
* diplo prefers it on it's own, not sure about all this vegetation11:26
AlanBelloh, good point I could go get strawberries from the allotment11:26
diploBut driving so won't be drinking11:26
AlanBellthink we have mint in the garden too11:27
oimonmint has past it's best this season11:29
oimonhave a tub full of mint that i forgot to pick :(11:29
Flashtekright.. where can I get the files to perform a PXE boot installation ?11:43
popey!pxe11:46
popeystupid bot11:46
czajkowski!ping11:46
lubotu3another contentless ping... sigh...11:46
czajkowskiah so the bot is alive11:46
popeyhttps://code.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/autoautopilot11:47
popeyplease don't laugh at my rubbish scripting skills :)11:47
gordbout as advanced as any bash i've ever written ;)11:51
czajkowskinew retina has just arrived and all I can here is ooooh ahhhhhh oooer ooooo ahhhhhh11:55
czajkowskinow we need to get rid of the Air, MBP and one Ipad 2 and a Kindnle11:56
czajkowski*kindle11:56
czajkowskitoo many gadgets11:56
popeyno such thing as too many gadgets11:57
nothingspecialThere is when you suddenly find that the ipaddresses connected to you router go into the mid 30s11:57
davmor2Flashtek: on cdimages.ubuntu.com look for netboot iso that should point you in the right direction at least11:57
czajkowskipopey: shhh do not tell him that11:58
davmor2popey: don't worry I'll tell him, I've weathered the wrath of czajkowski long enough that it doesn't scare me anymore :D11:59
AlanBellhe doesn't have a trampoline yet12:00
AlanBellthat is a gadget I think12:00
christelAlanBell: strawberries, orange, cucumber, mint (some people put apple in)12:03
christel(and pimms, lemonade and gin of course)12:03
jacobwAlanBell: does it have a web interface?12:08
directhexhmm, i could do with a jug of pimms12:10
directhexand a straw12:10
christelim sure AlanBell will bring you one!12:11
AlanBelljacobw: it is net connected ;)12:12
bigcalm_laptopI think that it's unfair that you are talking about the BBQ that I cannot attend :P12:13
jacobw:)12:13
Flashtekgot it, thanks guys12:21
christelbigcalm_laptop: that's exactly why we keep talking about it <312:34
bigcalm_laptopDo I want chocolate cake?12:48
gordi just had a slice of chocolate and honecomb cheesecake :)12:50
czajkowskigord: http://www.konditorandcook.com/12:52
christelyes12:52
christelthat was weird12:52
christela random (drunk) person appeared in my hallway12:52
christelwondering if i was father hardacker12:52
christeli contemplated saying yes but then the whole "do i look like a man" thing took over and i very kindly explained that the priest no longer lives here before escorting him outside12:53
bigcalm_laptopYou're very diplomatic :)12:55
christelnot really, i just need to charm all these random people who appear at my house looking for god12:56
christelit'll make it easier when i want to convert them to christelism12:56
* christel nods12:56
christel(it is most peculiar, there is so many of them)12:56
bigcalm_laptop:)12:56
christelincluding some random foreign people who were looking for somewhere to sleep, that was very weird, apparently they'd been told to go here.. but their english was a bit rubbish so i might have gotten entirely the wrong end of the stick12:57
bigcalm_laptopThey didn't speak on of the many other languages?12:59
christelnot one i speak no :P12:59
christelthey did a lot of pointing and intense nodding and weird smiling12:59
christel(they mainly pointed at the actual church whilst grinning madly and nodding a lot)12:59
christeli dunno if they were illegal immigrants or something and perhaps thought that they would be fine if they found a priest or something13:00
christel(instead they found me...)13:01
* christel continues spamming music at bigcalm_laptop 13:01
bigcalm_laptop\o/13:02
bigcalm_laptopchristel has the best taste in music :D13:02
christelI KNOW13:02
christel:D13:02
bigcalm_laptopNaughty language in the tracks though :||13:05
christelawww13:05
bigcalm_laptopchristel: I thought you were such a sweet and innocent girl...13:05
christelbut but i am :(13:05
bigcalm_laptopOh, ok :)13:05
christelyou will <3 the next one, honest13:05
bigcalm_laptopThey are all fun :D13:05
christel:D13:05
popeydavmor2, current daily 12.10.. boot the iso in a vm and I get two keyboard icons in the panel. one for keyboard layout, one for ibus..13:07
popeybug?13:07
christelspeaking of music.. i was playing in the garden earlier and when i stopped there was Clapping from the building site up the road!13:08
christeli am not sure if it was because they <3'ed my violin or because i stopped13:08
christel:D13:08
davmor2popey: no I think it is deliberate check with balloons on #ubuntu-testing13:09
popeyok13:09
bigcalm_laptopchristel: awww :)13:10
diplochristel: Ever heard of Lindsey Sterling ( ref violins ? )13:11
christeldiplo: yes! she puts strings to music you dont expect with!13:23
christel:)13:23
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christelbigcalm_laptop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHjpOzsQ9YI you might appreciate her ;)13:24
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diploShes great, been following her for a while now13:30
christel:)13:30
diploGot a few other violinists since her that have made me like the sound more13:30
christelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cjymPx4xJg these boys do some pretty cool covers :)13:33
KungFuPandaall right I remove php, by yum remove php\*13:35
KungFuPandahow do I install it13:35
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KungFuPandahow do I reinstall php back ?13:36
diploKungFuPanda: Just so you know this is ubuntu channel and people don't always answer straight away13:36
diploBut..13:36
BigRedSKungFuPanda: yum install php?13:36
diployum install php will install php itself13:36
BigRedSreally, we're all the wrong people to ask13:36
diploAlso depends what other packages you require like gd etc13:36
BigRedSI keep breaking RH flavoured things :)13:36
diploUnfortuantly I spend more time on red hat stuff atm :(13:37
KungFuPandaha, sorry wrong chat window13:38
BigRedShaha13:49
bigcalm_laptopGood lunch?14:03
popeyvery :)14:17
* dwatkins notes with amusement that aptitude exists on CentOS14:23
Laneyrpm exists on ubuntu too14:27
diploas does yum14:41
TwinkletoesIs there a chkconfig equivalent in ubuntu?14:53
diploupdate-rc.d14:53
diplohttp://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man8/update-rc.d.8.html14:54
Twinkletoesdiplo: I needed the -f option to make it work14:54
diplo:)14:55
diplo!info chkconfig14:56
lubotu3chkconfig (source: chkconfig): system tool to enable or disable system services. In component universe, is optional. Version 11.0-79.1-2 (precise), package size 9 kB, installed size 68 kB14:56
diplo:P14:56
bigcalm_laptop!info opsview15:11
lubotu3Package opsview does not exist in precise15:11
diplobigcalm_laptop: Think it has a ppa and also there own repo15:11
bigcalm_laptophttp://docs.opsview.com/doku.php?id=opsview:apt15:12
bigcalm_laptopTa :)15:12
diploReally must get round to trying it one day15:16
diplohmm supported Doesn't show 12.04, even though "Our Polict for ubuntu is to support LTS release"15:17
diplomaybe wiki just not up to date15:17
diploNope, only lucid listed.15:18
diplohttps://downloads.opsview.com/opsview-community/latest/apt/opsview3/opsview3/dists/15:19
* popey asks his friend who works for opsview diplo 15:25
diplopopey has a man in the know :)15:26
popeyhttp://docs.opsview.com/doku.php?id=opsview4.1:platforms15:28
popeywas the answer15:28
diplohttp://docs.opsview.com/doku.php?id=opsview-community:platforms Could do with updating that one maybe ?15:30
diploI'm guessing bigcalm_laptop is running 12.0415:31
bigcalm_laptopHai!15:31
bigcalm_laptopQ4 :(15:31
diploInstall from source otherwise I guess15:32
popeyits because community is no longer maintained, the new version is called opsview-core15:33
diploopsview-core takes you to the link that bigcalm_laptop posted for opsview-community though, so I guess therre maybe some confusion15:34
dogmatic69wtf. rackspace server is downloading updates @ 125kb/s15:35
diplospeedy15:36
diplo:P15:36
diploicinga has a ppa for precise, another I've not tried yet15:39
BigRedSAny xenites know if there's a way I can ask a dom0 for a list of the IP addresses on all the domUs?15:48
MartijnVdSIs that even possible?15:48
BigRedSI don't know15:48
MartijnVdSthe domUs just get an ethernet interface, and they can use it as they like, can't they?15:48
BigRedSYeah, I was hoping there was soem built in magic for doing that15:49
MartijnVdSlibvirt?15:49
BigRedSah yeah, that'd be the sensible way of doing it :)15:50
ali1234what happened to the spotify repository?15:50
MartijnVdSthey changed PGP keys because the old one expired15:52
MartijnVdSbut that was last month15:52
ali1234where do i get the new key?15:52
MartijnVdSon their website?15:52
MartijnVdShttp://www.spotify.com/nl/blog/archives/2010/07/12/linux/ ?15:53
MartijnVdShttp://www.spotify.com/nl/download/previews/ specifically15:53
ali1234thanks15:53
KungFuPandaok, who break down twitter !!! ?16:12
KungFuPandawho did ?16:13
directhexme!16:14
directhexi posted a picture of my willy, so they turned off the site16:14
BigRedSWhat have they got against Orcas?16:15
KungFuPandasend me the picture, let me upload to facebook, let's breakdown fb as well,:-D16:16
directhexthose just get you banned on facebook16:17
MartijnVdSTwitter is currently down for <%= reason %>.16:19
MartijnVdSWe expect to be back in <%= deadline %>. For more information, check out Twitter Status. Thanks for your patience!16:19
MartijnVdS\o/ templates16:19
MartijnVdSCheap hour for the firehose customers :P16:20
KungFuPandatwitter is down,let me twitte it:-D,16:20
MartijnVdSyou could G+ it16:20
* Flashtek burps...16:29
KungFuPandaguys, I had a teamcity installed and run by teamcity user, what I need to look at to make it will auto startup everytime ubuntu reboot ?16:40
KungFuPandaupdate-rc.d ?16:47
JamesTaitOK folks, I'll be making a move now.17:41
JamesTait'night all!17:41
* JamesTait waves17:41
* popey waves to JamesTait 17:41
JamesTaitCheers, popey. :)17:42
MartijnVdSMexican?17:43
ali1234is there an side irc for the ubuntu on air?18:16
ahayzenHi i'm trying to purge the webapps preview and it is stating that it is going to '0 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 24 downgraded, 254 to remove and 44 not upgraded.' Removing 254 seems a bit scary, it wants to remove everything! What am it doing wrong?18:18
dogmatic69ahayzen: what did you do to get the 254 removed?18:19
ahayzensudo ppa-purge ppa:webapps/preview18:19
dogmatic69ahayzen: there are a lot of things in webapps/preview18:21
ahayzenbut it is trying to remove things that are nothing to do with it... eg linuxtycoon18:22
dogmatic69I would assume it is correct so long as you want to 'remove / downgrade everything in webapps/preview'18:22
dogmatic69well they may be dependencies that were installed / upgraded18:22
ahayzenso what would happen after running the command?18:23
popeyali1234, #ubuntu-on-air18:24
ahayzenNow i'm after running a upgrade i'm getting 'Could not find package list for PPA: webapps preview'18:25
ahayzenmaybe i'll just stay on the webapps preview and just hope Firefox doesn't crash too often (yn)18:26
jacobwevening18:42
* AlanBell sets up open wireless hotspot covering the garden for the BBQ19:04
AlanBellhope everyone is going to watch the Olympic opening ceremony thing tomorrow, against expectations it will actually be quite good, I saw the rehersal last night19:06
* bigcalm rumbles in to view19:15
* jacobw looks out the window at bigcalm 19:17
bigcalmThe breeze this evening is really making the weather more bearable19:18
* popey breezes at bigcalm 19:18
jacobwbritish people complaing about everything :)19:18
bigcalmYes we do :D19:20
jacobwI've only been gone for two months :P19:22
bigcalmUg, looking at receipts is dull19:23
bigcalmI would rather be playing Psychonauts, but it locks up19:23
bigcalmActually, I'd rather be coding for fun :D19:25
* bigcalm tickles popey19:27
popeyheh19:27
popeysounds like a plan19:27
bigcalm\o/19:27
* popey switches machines19:28
bigcalmThat man likes his lunch19:28
diploevening all19:39
bigcalmMorning diplo19:40
diplo:)19:41
diplohttp://fiber.google.com/plans/residential/19:51
diployou guys seen this ?19:51
diplo:(19:51
* Dave2 wonders if it'd be an absolutely horrible idea to bring a Herman cake to AlanBell's barbecue.19:52
dwatkinsdiplo: why the frown?19:52
Dave2Because we can't ge tit?19:52
Dave2get it19:52
diployeah19:52
ali1234do not want19:52
diploWell not from google, but the prices/offer19:53
dwatkinswe'll get it eventually19:53
diployeah19:53
diplo10 years or so19:53
diplo:P19:53
dwatkinsalso, we have much better infrastructure than the US, I gather19:53
popeyreminds me, need to go to the butchers tomorrow to get some ribs for the bbq19:55
bigcalm Dave2: take it :) We've got a Herman on the go as well20:19
Dave2bigcalm, I don't have one on the go, but I can defrost one20:20
Dave2A mix, that is20:20
bigcalmFreezing doesn't kill it?20:20
Dave2Nope20:22
Dave2Or hasn't in my experience20:22
bigcalmGood to know :)20:23
bigcalmDo you pass them on or keep them for yourself to revive now and then?20:23
Dave2If people want them I'll pass them on20:25
Dave2Otherwise I just keep them20:25
christello21:53
dogmatic69o/22:10
AlanBellhow can I plug my laptop into my amp which has line in phono inputs?22:33
hamitronjack to twin phono?22:34
AlanBelldoes that just work, doesn't need impedance/line level matching magic?22:34
hamitronwell, not sure if it is best to22:35
hamitronbut it works22:35
hamitronI don't turn the volume too high on the pc22:35
hamitronsome amps have a setting for phono inputs22:37

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