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| mandel | morning all! | 07:28 |
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| mmcc | hi mandel :) | 07:32 |
| mandel | mmcc, what are you doing here! | 07:33 |
| mmcc | mandel, I left you some nice long reviews, feel free to send me angry emails while I go sleep | 07:33 |
| mandel | mmcc, you could have sent me an email instead of waiting, you know that right? | 07:33 |
| mandel | hehehe | 07:33 |
| mmcc | it's only just past midnight here, so I'm just up late catching up. don't get used to it :) | 07:34 |
| mmcc | heh | 07:34 |
| mmcc | ok, actually going now. cheers | 07:34 |
| mandel | mmcc, good night! | 07:35 |
| JamesTait | Morning all! :) | 08:41 |
| mandel | tea break :) | 09:19 |
| * mandel back | 09:52 | |
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| ralsina | good morning! | 11:42 |
| mandel | ralsina, welcome back! | 12:33 |
| mandel | ralsina, I'm off to have lunch, wanna catch up later? | 12:33 |
| ralsina | mandel: yes please | 12:33 |
| ralsina | mandel: buen provecho | 12:33 |
| mandel | ralsina, thx, I'll be fast = heat food, eat and let the dog pee :) | 12:34 |
| ralsina | mandel: no rush, don't fall on things, take care ;-) | 12:34 |
| ralsina | mandel: take your time, I forgot I have a call now for about 30 minutes | 12:42 |
| mandel | ralsina, I'm back let me know whenever you are free | 13:21 |
| ralsina | mandel: now is good | 13:21 |
| ralsina | mandel: mumble? | 13:21 |
| mandel | ralsina, sure, launching the thing | 13:21 |
| mandel | ralsina, can you hear me? | 13:22 |
| ralsina | mandel: no, and no red lips | 13:22 |
| mandel | ralsina, wierd, I hear you, I see my red lips, see yours.. etc.. | 13:23 |
| mandel | ralsina, ok | 13:23 |
| dobey | hmm | 13:28 |
| ralsina | dobey, hi! | 13:30 |
| dobey | hi | 13:31 |
| alecu | hello all! | 13:33 |
| ralsina | hola alecu! | 13:47 |
| ralsina | alecu: thought you were on vacations! | 13:47 |
| alecu | ralsina: no, I only took yesterday off since Amelia is on winter vacations and nobody could babysit her. | 13:48 |
| ralsina | alecu: cool! | 13:49 |
| ralsina | alecu: I am in catchup mode, can we have our 1-1 in about 30'? | 14:00 |
| alecu | ralsina: sure | 14:01 |
| briancurtin | are we doing mumble or hangout? | 14:57 |
| ralsina | I think I may have to skipit | 14:58 |
| * alecu readies his pirate captain hat | 14:58 | |
| alecu | oh :-( | 14:58 |
| ralsina | let's schedule it for tomorrow same bat-time, same bat-channel | 14:58 |
| briancurtin | sounds good. text standup for now? | 14:58 |
| dobey | oh, ok then | 14:59 |
| dobey | if not i'm just going to lunch then :) | 15:03 |
| briancurtin | me | 15:03 |
| mmcc | Can't connect to mumble here, is it going on? | 15:03 |
| briancurtin | mmcc: doing it tomorrow | 15:04 |
| briancurtin | mmcc: so you have the next 24 hours to figure it out...or else | 15:04 |
| mmcc | briancurtin: Aha, thx. | 15:04 |
| dobey | i guess that means we're skipping standup too then | 15:04 |
| dobey | since nobody else is saying anything? | 15:05 |
| briancurtin | dobey: EOM before it even started, i guess. enjoy lunch | 15:08 |
| briancurtin | :) | 15:08 |
| rye | erm | 15:12 |
| dobey | ok, lunch time | 15:12 |
| mandel | briancurtin, ralsina, alecu, dobey, stop porting things to python3 and port the to ChinesePython: http://www.chinesepython.org/home.html | 15:15 |
| mandel | if you are lazy, someone is translating python in chinese, as 'import sys' is '載入 系統' | 15:15 |
| diogobaeder | WTF (it would be a WTF in any language other than english) | 15:19 |
| diogobaeder | mandel, this reminds me of a portuguese version I got for Martin Fowler's "Refactoring" book | 15:20 |
| diogobaeder | instead of "getPrice", for example, it was "lerPreço". Pretty crappy. | 15:20 |
| briancurtin | i like that they're still using the super old python.org website look | 15:20 |
| mandel | diogobaeder, yes, they should not translate IT books.. ins spain is very common, horrible, horrible.. | 15:21 |
| diogobaeder | mandel, +1 | 15:22 |
| diogobaeder | mandel, everytime someone asks me if there's a portuguese version for an IT book originally in english: http://is.gd/MB9tic | 15:24 |
| diogobaeder | lunch time | 15:25 |
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| alecu | mandel: the "latests news" are from Feb 2004 | 15:38 |
| alecu | mandel: and the latest release is based on python 2.1.3... | 15:38 |
| alecu | mandel: so, we should keep porting to python3, that already supports all kinds of unicode identifiers | 15:39 |
| mandel | alecu, but but.. we could get so many community contributions from china! I know is the only reason why they are holding back.. | 15:40 |
| alecu | (and for mandel and diogo's happiness, non-english books with translated identifiers won't be exclusive to Java)! | 15:40 |
| alecu | "cinco de mayo".índice(3) | 15:42 |
| mandel | mmcc, I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-fsevents-daemon/remove-arc-dispatcher/+merge/116434 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-fsevents-daemon/remove-arc-commsocket/+merge/116439 | 16:05 |
| mandel | mmcc, will get https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-fsevents-daemon/remove-arc-commsocket-server/+merge/116440 done later | 16:06 |
| mandel | ralsina, alecu, did we completely forget about the stand up? | 16:06 |
| mmcc | mandel: ok, looking at dispatcher and commsocket now | 16:07 |
| mandel | herb, i just read the backlog, no standup :P | 16:08 |
| mmcc | mandel: not important but for future reference, -retain returns self, so you can do foo = [inFoo retain]; | 16:11 |
| mmcc | and interestingly, they've now marked all those ref counting methods as "Obsolete" | 16:12 |
| mandel | mmcc, since when? | 16:13 |
| mandel | mmcc, oh, and one question, you still have the 10.6 machine around, right? | 16:13 |
| mmcc | mandel yes I have it around, why? | 16:14 |
| mmcc | mandel: I'm not sure when they changed the docs. Might even have been yesterday | 16:14 |
| mandel | mmcc, because is the only one we have to test it work in 10,6 :) | 16:14 |
| mmcc | anyway, obsolete != deprecated, just discouraged | 16:15 |
| briancurtin | crap. LP is still showing prerequisite changes in this diff. that's helpful... | 16:15 |
| mmcc | mandel: right. for arc removal, I'll have to test with the last branch though since the test bundle doesn't link unless everything is non-arc | 16:15 |
| mandel | mmcc, yeah, lets keep moving this way but not in a rush, ralsina will talk in the techleads meeting about if we should ignore 10.6 or not | 16:15 |
| mandel | mmcc, yes, I know, but I though doing all these mini branches was better for the reviewers :) | 16:16 |
| mmcc | mandel: no, it's good - I'm not complaining | 16:16 |
| mandel | :) | 16:17 |
| mandel | herb, we are old schoole, look what twisted has now: from twisted.internet import inotify | 16:17 |
| mandel | sorry herb, ignore the last message | 16:18 |
| * mandel curses at his tab | 16:18 | |
| mmcc | mandel: do you just hit tab after every word? | 16:19 |
| mandel | mmcc, no, but in this case I did for some reason, I wanted just to do 'he' | 16:20 |
| mandel | I don't understand how I work sometimes.. | 16:20 |
| mmcc | heh. | 16:20 |
| alecu | mandel, mmcc: I'm thinking of updating to 10.8. Any reasons I shouldn't? | 16:21 |
| mandel | alecu, bugs, but it would be nice to have an intrepid soul so that we run our tests there :) | 16:22 |
| mandel | alecu, I might wait 'til 10.8.1 | 16:22 |
| mmcc | alecu: fear of the unknown? | 16:22 |
| mmcc | but mandel pointed out you can do dual boot if you want | 16:22 |
| mmcc | so far I've been hearing that 10.8 is reasonably stable, compared to 10.7.0 | 16:23 |
| alecu | ok, here I go. | 16:23 |
| alecu | btw: this is just awesome: | 16:23 |
| alecu | Twitter is currently down for <%= reason %>. | 16:23 |
| alecu | We expect to be back in <%= deadline %> | 16:23 |
| alecu | https://twitter.com | 16:23 |
| mmcc | heh, I saw that too. | 16:23 |
| mandel | alecu, maybe the use gtalk as a backend.. | 16:24 |
| alecu | mandel: lolz | 16:24 |
| mandel | if youtube and reddit go down the internet might be as productive as it has never been before.. | 16:27 |
| mmcc | mandel: just read your comment in remove-arc-commsocket about self.sockRef being a property. You're right of course, sorry about the confusion. Another reason I don't like properties and dot syntax in ObjC - it confuses old timers like me :) | 16:35 |
| mandel | mmcc, no problem, I had to think several times about it | 16:35 |
| mandel | mmcc, lets remove them as a design decision in a later step :) | 16:36 |
| mmcc | yeah, my complaint is that there's no way to know when you're looking at an assignment if it's going to call a method somewhere or not. You have to go poke at the header file to see if it's a property and what kind of property it is | 16:36 |
| mmcc | the code looks nice like python but you can't assume it does what you think it should:\ | 16:36 |
| mandel | mmcc, well in python you could also have a property, but having properties with side effects are not good and with arc they do | 16:37 |
| mandel | mmcc, as in, var is retained etc.. | 16:38 |
| mmcc | right. in python you don't have to worry about what a property call is doing to memory management | 16:39 |
| mandel | yep yep | 16:41 |
| mandel | ok, EOD for me I have started rugby training already :-/ | 16:42 |
| mandel | mmcc, see you tonight if you are still up :) | 16:42 |
| mmcc | heh alright mandel, don't count on it :\ | 16:43 |
| mmcc | hmm, no way to just poke at what certs pyOpenSSL sees by default? I can get_cert_store but the X509Store object it gives me only lets me add | 17:01 |
| mmcc | context - we are currently just shipping PEM files and loading them from somewhere (/etc/ssl on linux, Common AppData on windows). dobey says I shouldn't just put them in XDG_CONFIG_HOME, which makes sense since we're putting them in a global place on other platforms, but we can't write to the osx global config location without escalating privileges, which isn't OK in a sandbox… | 17:05 |
| mmcc | we can add certs programmatically, but I wanted to have a way to see which ones we need to install that way | 17:06 |
| mmcc | in the above, adding programmatically means saving them to the system keychain. | 17:07 |
| dobey | can we not just load them from the .app internally? | 17:09 |
| mmcc | dobey: hmm. yes, I guess so. Why don't we do that on Windows? | 17:11 |
| ralsina | mmcc: on windows we put them inside our app, more or less | 17:13 |
| mmcc | ralsina: ok, I guess that's what Common AppData means, even though it's not actually with the other files? Definitely still catching up here on windows distribution :) | 17:14 |
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| ralsina | mmcc: I suspect we were following some convention of other. That part was not done by a real windows developer :-) | 17:15 |
| ralsina | (meaning, I did it) | 17:15 |
| mmcc | ralsina: heh, ok. So if just loading the cert files from within the app's Resources file is OK, that's a nice easy fix | 17:16 |
| ralsina | mmcc: yes, it's not meant for general usage anyway, so whatever works | 17:16 |
| dobey | it would be nice to use the standard system conventions though, and avoid shipping any certs at all | 17:21 |
| dobey | but, yay cross-platform is pain | 17:21 |
| mmcc | ralsina: not meant for general usage? | 17:21 |
| ralsina | mmcc: not for other apps | 17:21 |
| mmcc | ralsina: oh, ok | 17:21 |
| * briancurtin pharmacy/lunch | 17:41 | |
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| * briancurtin back | 18:22 | |
| dobey | bbiab, gotta run an errand | 19:29 |
| mmcc | just noticed that the recent filesystem_notifications refactoring is installing the default reactor too soon again. so I'm going for lunch now… | 19:30 |
| mmcc | going to try to make it a working lunch | 19:31 |
| mmcc | but will be ask for a bit getting there | 19:31 |
| mmcc | s/ask/afk | 19:31 |
| ralsina | mmcc argh | 19:58 |
| ralsina | that bug will never die | 19:58 |
| mmcc | ralsina: yep.. the design decision that keeps on givin' | 20:10 |
| dobey | ralsina: if only we could just drop twisted. et voila, no more default reactor :) | 20:59 |
| * dobey is having plenty of not-fun at the moment with twisted :-/ | 20:59 | |
| * mmcc is right there with you | 21:01 | |
| dobey | thanks to the fun of __import__ | 21:01 |
| ralsina | dobey: if wishes were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry christmas! | 21:01 |
| * ralsina knows that's not how that goes | 21:01 | |
| dobey | if wishes were candy and nuts, there wouldn't be a christmas | 21:02 |
| ralsina | dobey: it seems like you need to get in touch with a guy in korea: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/07/the-ips-lcd-revolution.html | 21:02 |
| dobey | yeah i know, right | 21:03 |
| dobey | oh wait | 21:03 |
| ralsina | also, looks like I need to go parenting | 21:03 |
| dobey | those are 27" | 21:03 |
| ralsina | dobey: but this is what you really really want: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4298415 | 21:03 |
| dobey | well, on something that doesn't suck so much power, weigh 35 lbs, or be so thick | 21:05 |
| dobey | i want the new panasonic display, really | 21:05 |
| mmcc | I knew someone who had one of those IBM suckers. He said it was hard to use anything else after he got used to it | 21:05 |
| dobey | it is | 21:06 |
| dobey | same reason i kept my SGI 1600SW for so long | 21:06 |
| dobey | and it's still sitting in the closet. totally need to sell it | 21:06 |
| dobey | give me OLED | 21:10 |
| dobey | anyone know how to make __import__ not break the world? | 21:12 |
| mmcc | dobey: what's the symptom? | 21:20 |
| * mmcc promises nothing | 21:20 | |
| dobey | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1112654/ | 21:21 |
| dobey | twisted imports not working from something which i'm __import__()ing | 21:21 |
| mmcc | dobey: am I missing something or should that be globals(), locals() ? | 21:24 |
| dobey | mmcc: i don't know; but same error happens either way, or if they are None | 21:24 |
| mmcc | hrm ok… | 21:25 |
| mmcc | wild guess: is it a relative import name clash? is it looking for twisted.scripts in devtools.runners.twisted.py? | 21:27 |
| dobey | oh, maybe; but i changed level to 0 and still failed :( | 21:27 |
| mmcc | hmm | 21:28 |
| dobey | indeed, renaming got past that issue | 21:29 |
| dobey | mmcc: thanks | 21:31 |
| mmcc | dobey: hey, sure. always glad to help with some wild guessing | 21:31 |
| dobey | :) | 21:36 |
| dobey | alright, off for now. have a good evening all | 21:37 |
| mmcc | for the u1client tests, does trial just run each test in a thread? is there a thread pool with a set size? | 21:45 |
| mmcc | I ask because I'm running the full test suite and it's dying with 'too many open files' right around when it's launched about 250 threads, which makes me very suspicious of a number of things | 21:47 |
| mmcc | that is, many hundreds of the tests fail because of errno 24, too many open files. | 21:49 |
| mmcc | in other news this confused me: from ubuntuone.platform.filesystem_notifications.monitor import ( | 21:55 |
| mmcc | linux as filesystem_notifications | 21:55 |
| mmcc | ) | 21:55 |
| mmcc | because I first saw filesystem_notifications.FilesystemMonitor in the code and couldn't figure out where that was coming from. | 21:55 |
| mmcc | ok, I've fixed that reactor issue, need to test it on windows to be sure, then I'll propose it | 22:05 |
| mmcc | time to go for now | 22:05 |
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