[01:41] <Len-nb> utillities
[01:42]  * Len-nb needs focus follows mind
[12:55] <ailo> Len-nb: I'm still getting the jackdbus bug with latest jackd
[12:55] <ailo> Even double checked with the kxstudio version
[12:55] <ailo> jack_control is fixed, that's all
[12:56] <ailo> I don't get the bug as easily, at least as it seems right now
[12:56] <ailo> But I do get it eventually
[13:01] <ailo> What a dream it is replacing jackd packages with custom ones..
[13:02] <len-dt> ailo, I think there may be more than one bug with jackd
[13:03] <ailo> len-dt: As?
[13:03] <len-dt> Even with our version there seems to be two things. 
[13:04] <len-dt> qjackctl has dbus fails and so does jack_control, but jack_control most times can be run again to restart jack.
[13:05] <len-dt> but every once in a while jack fails badly and nothing works.
[13:05] <len-dt> Jackd stops talking to dbus.
[13:06] <len-dt> most of the time jackd just doesn't talk soon enough or forgets to reply or some thing
[13:06] <len-dt> qjackctl doesn't seem to recover well for that.
[13:06] <len-dt> I don't know if that makes sense
[13:08] <ailo> I've been trying to find bug reports about it. So far, there's one in Ubuntu (plus at least one duplicate), and one in Debian
[13:08] <ailo> Nothing in jack trac, AFAIK
[13:08] <len-dt> There was quite a lot of talk on LAU for a while.
[13:08] <len-dt> That was where the patch came from
[13:09] <len-dt> ardour3b5 is out
[13:10] <ailo> len-dt: You have a link, or remember the date somewhat?
[13:10] <ailo> I don't remember reading about it
[13:11] <len-dt> try around June 3 look for the thread LAU] [Jack-Devel] jack2 turned verbose
[13:13] <len-dt> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2012-June/085239.html
[13:17] <ailo> There was no patch
[13:17] <ailo> Seems that they came to the conclusion that the problem is in GCC
[13:19] <ailo> I remember reading about it, but had forgotten
[13:19] <ailo> Thought it was solved, but apparently not yet anyway
[13:19] <len-dt> partially solved...
[13:22] <len-dt> I don't know if dbus does realtime that well... jack wants to deal with dbus quickly or at least spend its time dealing with audio most of the time.
[13:25] <len-dt> What people tend to forget is that even when we aren't doing anything with audio, jack is still dealing with any connected app and all the I/Os. It works just as hard sending silence as noise
[13:44] <ailo> I was trying to build jackd2 with gcc-4.6, but didn't work. Seems like libjack at least depends on gcc-4.7
[13:44] <ailo> So, that would not work as a simple work around either
[13:44] <ailo> It's unfortunate that such a bug has to exist on a LTS
[13:46] <ailo> I've just spent half a day confirming whether the fix to a bug actually was a fix, to find out there was no fix
[13:47] <astraljava> ailo: len-dt: Willing to test i386 of Alpha 3? I can do the amd64.
[13:50] <ailo> astraljava: I'll be installing the amd64 version shortly
[13:50] <ailo> i386 too, a bit later
[13:50] <astraljava> ailo: Ok, thanks. I can do the i386 then.
[13:50] <astraljava> A-ha, even better. Thanks. :)
[14:04] <len-dt> astraljava, do you have the qa site url handy?
[14:04] <len-dt> i386 runs and installs fine
[14:05] <len-dt> The new menu items work as planned.
[14:06] <len-dt> ailo, please check the four top menu items, web browser,  file manager, and terminal.
[14:07] <len-dt> I had not thought of them, xfce4.10 may have changed them too.
[14:12] <astraljava> len-dt: iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:13] <len-dt> got it.
[15:24] <len-dt> ailo-live, I was mostly checking menu stuff on my test as that is what I changed. I did not look at jack at all
[15:24] <ailo-live> len-dt, Was just trying it a bit
[15:24] <ailo-live> Installing right now
[15:26] <len-dt> ailo-live, I am working on per/menu installers right now. About half done. They will go up after a3 testing is done.
[16:30] <astraljava> ailo: Have you started testing already?
[16:30] <ailo> astraljava: Yes. Just looking at the iso.qa.ubuntu.com site
[16:32] <astraljava> ailo: Sweet! Thanks!
[16:33] <ailo> astraljava: Oops. Which release is this? I realized I had downloaded the daily build
[16:34] <astraljava> ailo: The image to be used is 20120724.1
[16:35] <astraljava> They are dailies, Studio only has one container where builds go.
[16:35] <astraljava> For milestones, only certain dailies are selected. And daily builds are disabled when a candidate is ready, and enabled again when milestone testing ends.
[16:36] <ailo> astraljava: Shouldn't current be the right one, then?
[16:37] <astraljava> I guess you mean should*, and yes. :)
[16:38] <astraljava> ailo: So, as soon as you can mark the install results, I'll notify on -release to mark it as ready, and we'll have it included in the milestone announcement.
[16:38] <ailo> It's done for amd64
[16:38] <ailo> I'm not installing i386 today
[16:38] <astraljava> Rockin'!
[16:38] <astraljava> Len did i386.
[16:39] <ailo> nautilus doesn't have a menu anymore
[16:39] <ailo> I hate big icons
[16:40] <astraljava> Thanks guys! Awesome work from you once again!
[16:43] <ailo> len-dt: I think I prefer Thunar to Nautilus right now. 
[16:43] <ailo> What do you think?
[16:43] <ailo> They are basically looking the same, except Nautilus is weird
[16:43] <ailo> It's not like that on Gnome
[16:44] <ailo> No menu makes it hard to do change settings
[16:47] <ailo> Nah, I found it
[17:00] <Len-nb> I don't remember having a problem with nautilus. Nautilus has at least two features thunar does not. It has sftp built in and a file search.
[17:00] <Len-nb> ailo, ^^
[17:05] <Len-nb> ailo, holstein interesting, mixxx works just fine on my netbook...
[17:08] <Len-nb> just won't fit on my screen
[17:12] <Len-nb> maybe a video driver problem
[17:21] <ailo> Len-nb: I was just having trouble finding preferences in the one button menu
[17:22] <ailo> Also, it was hard to read, cause the theme is buggy
[17:22] <ailo> At first it seemed all the options were only local to the folder
[17:22] <Len-nb> Yes there are a lot of problems with theme
[17:22] <Len-nb> Theme is black box stuff to me though
[17:23] <ailo> I think it's just .css type of text
[17:23] <Len-nb> Theme was the first thing I mentioned when the first ISO came out
[17:24]  * Len-nb has never learned any css stuff
[17:25] <ailo> Anyway, I found it
[17:26] <ailo> mixxx has been working fine for me too, when I've tried it
[17:26] <ailo> I have nvidia drivers
[17:26] <Len-nb> I have the free ones
[17:27] <Len-nb> They have issues
[17:27] <ailo> Len-nb: You uninstalled the proprietary ones?
[17:27] <ailo> Those were installed by default on this install
[17:28] <Len-nb> They were never installed. Any time I have tried I can't get to X
[17:28] <ailo> Len-nb: Is that the old card?
[17:28] <Len-nb> I have an old card
[17:29] <Len-nb> The MB is at least 8 years old
[17:29] <Len-nb> The video card caps are starting to go... streaks across the screen
[17:58] <ailo> Len-nb: Could I bother you for a second?
[17:58] <ailo> What does 'uname -m' give you on i386?
[17:59] <ailo> i386, or perhaps i686?
[18:00] <ailo> Also, would you mind paste bin the kernel config on Quantal. If you updated, you should have /boot/config-3.5.0-6-lowlatency
[20:01] <ailo> len-dt: Never mind. Installing..
[20:06] <len-dt> ailo, sorry, I was finishing up the menu extra install items. On my 12.04 disk.
[20:06] <len-dt> The family is off to the beach now. Be back in some hours... maybe when you wake up?
[20:07] <len-dt> I'll boot 12.10 then and report (and test a bit more)