[02:23] <micahg> :(, looks like we don't really have hope for a respin until tomorrow, armhf won't be ready  for another 12 hours
[02:24] <micahg> if that
[02:24] <micahg> and I have to tie up an arm builder for an extra day to get that respin
[03:16]  * pleia2 does some more tests
[04:13] <pleia2> this one is :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1027461
[04:18] <micahg> hrm, so no desktop images either :(
[04:19]  * micahg knows nothing about ubiquity
[04:19] <pleia2> that one just kills it for resizing, other installs work ok
[04:20] <micahg> ah, release notable then I guess
[04:21] <Unit193> Manual partitioning.
[04:21] <Unit193> +work?
[04:21] <pleia2> didn't try manual
[04:25] <pleia2> I'll give it a go, then I need to get back to work on other things :)
[04:37] <pleia2> it seems alright with manual partitioning, even resizing partitions in that screen
[04:40] <pleia2> ah well I've gone this far, might as well finish the test
[04:41] <knome> i don't think there's much to tell on the release notes. apart from the bugs you've mentioned. :)
[04:41] <pleia2> knome!
[04:41] <knome> pleia2!
[04:41] <pleia2> hello :)
[04:41] <knome> morning
[04:42] <pleia2> should we update the slideshow?
[04:42] <knome> yes, but not now ;)
[04:42] <pleia2> ok
[04:42] <pleia2> the thunderbird screen shows us being all "yay 12.04"
[04:42] <knome> that's probably an item in the doc blueprint
[04:42] <pleia2> ok
[04:42] <knome> or appearance
[04:43] <pleia2> I will look around
[04:43] <knome> i can dig it up
[04:43] <knome>  [xubuntu-team] Review installation slideshow after docs rewrite is done: BLOCKED
[04:43] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-refresh-offline-documentation
[04:43] <pleia2> oh goodness, that
[04:44] <pleia2> I made progress while I was on the airplane
[04:44] <knome> oohh
[04:44] <knome> in what sense? ;)
[04:44] <pleia2> http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10
[04:44] <pleia2> all the grey links are not existing pages
[04:44] <knome> mm-hmm
[04:44] <pleia2> so this is just a copy of what is in the docs index now, I think people can start there
[04:45] <knome> looks good though
[04:45] <knome> maybe create that organize-yourself page
[04:45] <knome> i'll take a shower, brb
[04:47] <Unit193> Monthly shower.
[04:47] <pleia2> the polar bears don't mind smelly knome 
[04:54] <pleia2> I'll draft up the alpha3 post for tomorrow on wordpress, knome you wanna update the wiki? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha3
[04:59] <knome> pleia2, i suppose i don't know what to update :|
[04:59] <pleia2> I think all we have to put is "known issues"
[04:59] <knome> yup
[05:00] <knome> but i don't know what those are ;)
[05:00] <knome> maybe the ones you mentioned
[05:00] <pleia2> ah yes, I'm doing blog post now and will include them
[05:00] <knome> ok
[05:00] <knome> i can update the wiki based on those
[05:00]  * pleia2 nods
[05:01] <knome> what are the bug #s again?
[05:02] <knome> oh!
[05:02] <knome> the ISO is oversized.
[05:02] <pleia2> 1027461 is the big bad one
[05:02] <pleia2> hoping the alt is fixed with the respin tomorrow
[05:02] <pleia2> oops, need to do cat stuff, brb
[05:02] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha3#Xubuntu-1
[05:05] <knome> updated with that big bad one and a mention of being oversized
[05:07] <knome> mr_pouit, have we uploaded big appearance changes between a2 and a3?
[05:14] <pleia2> knome: for the last one, I'd mention that manual resizing works ok
[05:15] <knome> can you add that along with any details you wish?
[05:15] <pleia2> yeah
[05:15] <knome> thanks
[05:22] <pleia2> I'm hoping https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit/+bug/1028486 will be fixed by release
[05:22] <knome> i thought micahg was on that already? :)
[05:22] <pleia2> yeah
[05:23] <micahg> umm, well, sometime today hopefully :)
[05:23] <pleia2> micahg: you should sleep some time!
[05:23] <knome> :)
[05:24] <micahg> yeah, shortly :)
[05:25] <pleia2> alright, updated wiki a little and http://xubuntu.org/?p=1352 is prepped for tomorrow
[05:42]  * pleia2 sleep &
[06:00] <knome> hihi
[06:00] <knome> nighty
[06:00] <Unit193> & causes it to continue.
[06:00] <Unit193> Good night.
[06:05] <knome> we should think how we want to spell a3
[06:05] <knome> is it "alpha 3", "Alpha3" or sth else?
[06:06] <knome> just saying,
[06:06] <knome> .
[06:06] <knome> i'm off, see you later
[06:32] <astraljava> In the Release Schedule, it says Alpha 3.
[07:40] <mr_pouit> knome: no change
[13:30] <knome> mr_pouit, alright! :)
[14:35] <micahg> knome: do we need the alternates for alpha3?
[14:41] <knome> micahg, if it's possible/not too hard, yeah
[14:41] <knome> if not, then not
[14:41] <knome> :)
[14:41] <knome> or if they're not full of bugs...
[14:41] <knome> anyway, bbl ->
[15:41] <pleia2> micahg: I'll add to the release notes that we're not doing an alternate
[15:51] <micahg> thanks
[15:51] <pleia2> micahg: will the alternate show up in alpha3 and be broken, or not show up at all? (figuring out how to word the blog post so it's clear)
[16:03] <micahg> not show up at all if we don't want it
[16:05] <pleia2> I think not showing up at all would be preferred, I'd rather get "where are the alts?" than "the alt is broken!" (people don't read release notes :))
[16:07] <cody-somerville> Why is alt for Xubuntu broken?
[16:10] <pleia2> gimp fails to install with codec-related dependency issues, if we had time to respin and fiddle with it would be fixed,, but we're running short on time
[16:10] <mr_pouit> s/gimp/webkit/, no?
[16:11] <pleia2> er yeah, webkit
[16:18] <micahg> yeah, unfortunately, it took me 9 hours to get a successful test build before I uploaded the changed version (which in turn is still building)
[16:18] <micahg> and the blacklist in the seeds apparently donm't work
[16:41] <micahg> hrm, we should probably have a note on Qt being on the images as well
[16:42] <pleia2> yeah, maybe add it to the line where we're already mentioning the image is oversized (is there a bug report for qt we can link?)
[16:43] <micahg> no, but there probably should be /me files
[16:47] <micahg> Bug #1029552 
[16:48] <pleia2> ok, so I'll alter to say:
[16:48] <pleia2> libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 is pulling in gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (1028486) and Qt is pulled unnecessarily due to software-center Recommends and ubuntu-sso-client-gtk removal (1029552), so the image larger than normal
[16:49] <pleia2> micahg: accurate?
[16:49] <micahg> that should be pulled in
[16:50] <pleia2> er, which?
[16:50] <micahg> Qt is pulled in
[16:52] <pleia2> ok, how should I write this?
[16:53] <micahg> libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 is pulling in gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (1028486) and Qt is pulled in unnecessarily due to software-center Recommends and ubuntu-sso-client-gtk removal (1029552), so the image larger than normal
[16:53] <micahg> grrr
[16:53] <micahg> libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 is pulling in gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (1028486) and Qt is pulled in unnecessarily due to software-center Recommends and ubuntu-sso-client-gtk removal (1029552), so the image is larger than normal 
[16:53] <pleia2> oh oh, gotcha
[17:48] <pleia2> so, we are an email away from acquiring @Xubuntu on twitter, thoughts on the change?
[17:49] <pleia2> means we'll have to update our resources to point at the new name, but we'll keep all our followers with the rename
[17:52] <micahg> Qt issue is being fixed, should hopefully be in tomorrow's dailies
[19:48] <pleia2> knome: thoughts on twitter rename?
[19:49] <knome> pleia2, what?
[19:49] <knome> pleia2, oh, right.
[19:50] <pleia2> bkerensa contacted twitter about getting the xubuntu name, it's a dead account set up with a fake email address so they're willing to give it to us
[19:50] <knome> pleia2, yes, i suppose that would be cool. can we have a migration time when we'd have both, or do we need to just switch?
[19:50] <pleia2> it would just be an immediate switch, technically it's a "rename" so it's the same account, just name changing
[19:51] <knome> pleia2, i see
[19:51] <pleia2> our same account, I mean
[19:51] <knome> pleia2, do we have a list where we link to @XubuntuLinux ?
[19:51] <pleia2> "Changing your username will not affect your existing followers, direct messages, or @replies. They will simply see a new username next to your picture when you Tweet.
[19:51] <pleia2> Going forward, other users will need to @mention and message you at your new username. You may find it helpful to post a Tweet letting your followers know that you've selected a new username."
[19:51] <knome> that shouldn't be too exhaustive, otoh, external links are.. meh
[19:52] <pleia2> website, wiki and probably a couple blog posts
[19:52] <pleia2> short term the change is a little painful, but I think it's worth it in the long run
[19:53] <knome> i like @XubuntuLinux too, but i suppose shorter is better.
[19:53] <knome> and we'll not have any confusion if we're @Xubuntu
[19:53] <Unit193> More descriptive.
[19:53] <knome> because no copycat/"parker" is not going to take @XubuntuSomethingelse
[19:54] <knome> could they stop taking names, or is that out of question?
[19:54] <knome> i'm thinking it would be nice if they could block @XubuntuLinux for a while
[19:54] <pleia2> well, we could just re-grab it ;)
[19:54] <knome> haha
[19:54] <knome> ok
[19:54] <knome> let's do it then, if you think re-grabbing is fine
[19:54] <pleia2> ok
[19:55] <knome> rename, and those who point to @XubuntuLinux... well, they'll get a message we've moved.
[21:24] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/quantalalpha3/
[21:24] <pleia2> it is done :)
[21:26] <knome> awesome, thanks
[21:59] <Unit193> Great.