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ScottKRiddell: I accepted csync-owncloud, but the embedded copy of iniparser should really go.  Bad practice.06:10
ScottKRiddell: In owncloud client you've got owncloud-client.desktop being installed twice.  Once by debian/rules and once by the .install file.  Please pick one.  That's not a blocker though, so accepting.  The rest look good.06:17
Peace-hi06:29
Peace-well... quantal bug too with samba06:30
Peace-rbelem: are you there i guess no but anyway..06:30
ScottKDid the binaries for csync-owncloud too.06:37
Peace-ScottK: can you boost the fix of this samba bug?06:39
Peace-ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/97502806:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 975028 in dolphin (Ubuntu) "Dolphin: "Timeout on server workgroup" can't see samba folders without windbind and it needs to modify /etc/nsswitch.conf to work properly" [Undecided,New]06:39
ScottKNo.06:39
ScottKI don't know a thing about it.06:39
ScottKSince I don't run Windows at all, I'm pretty unlikely to learn.06:39
Peace-:P06:40
Peace-but how do you share stuff with othe computer ?06:40
Peace-nfs ?06:40
Riddellafiestas_: is bug 975028 the problem you were talking about the other day?07:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 975028 in dolphin (Ubuntu) "Dolphin: "Timeout on server workgroup" can't see samba folders without windbind and it needs to modify /etc/nsswitch.conf to work properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97502807:59
Mamarokafiestas_: ping08:58
Riddellwhee  http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/4.9.0.html09:10
Riddellgaurav: a new tazz?09:15
tazzo.O09:15
tazzgaurav, is just my irssi+screen client.09:15
Riddellyou get around :)09:16
santa_Riddell: hi09:19
Riddellhello santa_ 09:19
santa_Riddell: when debian freezes, how do you deal with the freeze?09:20
Riddellsanta_: same as when it doesn't, we sync packages from debian if there's new ones and if we need something newer we update to that something newer ourselves09:21
Riddellgot something in mind?09:21
santa_yes, I'm thinking about a debian enhancement proposal09:21
santa_Riddell: so don't you reuse packages from debian experimental if possible?09:22
Riddellsanta_: yes we can do, the person looking into updating the package shouldious kinds of enhancements in the Debian project, reflect their current status and, in particular, archive their outcomes.09:24
RiddellDEP workflow: state diagram09:24
Riddelltsk bad paste09:24
Riddellsanta_: yes we can do, the person looking into updating the package should check if it's in debian at all and can request a sync from experimental09:24
santa_Riddell: so let's say I provide a repository on my own, in this repository would provide packages which are right now in debian experimental, however these packages aren't actually experimental, they are just there because of debian's freeze. also the packages in that repo wouldn't require a transition bug in debian. a couple of examples of these kind of packages are digikam and rekonq. providing that repo would help ubuntu's 09:29
santa_development?09:29
santa_the idea is doing part of the experimental cherry-pickin for you09:29
santa_the idea also is having a debian unstable not-so-freezed09:31
Riddellsanta_: yes that would be handy as long as it was somewhere we'd naturally look at09:41
santa_Riddell: I think I have no more questions for now, thank you for your time. I'll keep you posted about my proposal (if any)09:43
Riddellgood luck :)09:43
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BluesKajHiyas all10:48
afiestas_Riddell: nope10:50
afiestas_Mamarok: pong10:50
shadeslayerscripting question, I do a 'pull-lp-source foo' to download a source, is there a way to cd into the extracted source dir? ( I'm currently using ls -l | grep '^d' | awk '{ print $9 }' to cd into the extracted source)11:16
Riddellcd source-*/ ?11:19
Riddellcd foo-*/ ?11:19
shadeslayerhmm11:24
shadeslayersounds about right, will try11:24
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RiddellvHanda: you removed some symbols in nepomuk-core right?11:42
RiddellI'm out for a couple of hours, back for meeting, feel free to getinto 4.9.0 if you want, latest is all in ninjas11:50
vHandayes11:50
vHandaloads11:50
vHandabut nepomuk-core has never been releases11:51
vHanda*released11:51
vHandaAlso, kde-runtime is the only kde component that depends on it11:51
ScottKRiddell: No release meeting today.14:48
ScottKRiddell: Did you get my overnight pings re: New processing?14:48
RiddellScottK: oh aye, good point15:10
RiddellScottK: yes I did, on my todo list15:10
ScottKExcellent.15:11
ScottKI see someone else did the owncloud-client binaries while I was asleep.15:13
ScottKRiddell: Is there are way to run owncloud without PHP?  I lot of it seems very exciting, but there's no way I'm running PHP on a public facing server.15:14
RiddellScottK: I'm afraid not, it's kindae written in PHP15:14
ScottKVery unfortunate.15:15
RiddellScottK: depending on your use case it wouldn't have to be public15:18
ScottKThe first thing I'd like to try to do is replace my dependence on Google for syncing Contacts/Calendar between my Android phone and my computer.15:19
ScottKHaving to set up a VPN for phone -> home network for that seems complex.15:20
RiddellAndroid is probably the wrong OS is you don't like depending on google15:20
ScottKYes, but the alternatives are worse.15:20
ScottKIt's actually less not trusting Google than trying to reduce the footprint of data I consider private that's on machines I don't control.15:22
ScottKRiddell: Looks like the apport thing got sorted.  pykde4 and friends are in component mismatches now.15:38
* ScottK tries to figure out if he can do demotions now.15:38
ScottKSeems I can.15:40
RiddellScottK: ooh interesting15:50
Riddellbug 1026198 says go15:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1026198 in pykde4 (Ubuntu) "Demote pykde4 and friends to universe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102619815:53
Riddellgo for it15:53
ScottKAll done.15:55
Riddellwhee15:56
ScottKAfter the next publisher run you ought to be able to upload the updated kde-pim runtime.15:56
ScottK(if you do it before, not sure what'll happen)15:56
Riddellthis James guy who posted to the mailing list has a curious way of introducing himself15:57
ScottKAgreed.15:58
ScottKI sent a reply.16:02
ronnocRiddell: ScottK: That was me on the list re: the sceencasting app issue. I figured everyone knew. Scott thanks for the reply, and I know you're right. I'll work on packaging it and ask for help if needed.16:17
ronnocIt's an issue I really think needs addressed. SO I'll see what I can do16:18
ScottKronnoc: Excellent.   Motivation is the key.  I wasn't kidding about that.16:18
Riddellah hah16:19
Riddellronnoc: is it a KDE application you're suggesting?16:19
ronnocScottK: No doubt. I think faccilitating ways for people to contribute is obviously important. I was banging my head because I really can't see an easy way where if someone wanted to make a screencast, they could do so :/16:19
ronnocRiddell: yes16:19
Riddellcool16:20
ronnocapparently the develpoer has a bias against *ubuntu so he hasn't make nor will he support any packages...so might not be idea. But there are few options, sadly16:20
ronnocI think my keyboard is messing up.. time to get a new one16:22
Riddellronnoc: do you know anything about packaging?16:24
ronnocRiddell: No but I've found a few good online guides to it so I'll have a go tonight and not bother anyone until I hit a wall. I'm reasonably computer-literate. 16:26
Riddellronnoc: have you got it compiled and working?16:27
* Riddell renames libnepomukcore4 to libnepomukcore4a16:29
shadeslayeroh shoot16:31
shadeslayerIs it possible to stop packages from getting into the archive?16:32
yofelRiddell: why not use the abi manager?16:32
* shadeslayer accidentally uploaded some ktp stuff to the archive16:32
yofelScottK: ^16:33
Riddellshadeslayer: no I don't think so16:34
shadeslayerbah :(16:34
Riddellyofel: mm, good question16:34
shadeslayerit'll probably go into depwait I think, just need to check if common-internals was uploaded as well16:34
shadeslayerah yes, common internals was uploaded16:35
shadeslayerfooey16:35
shadeslayeryay16:35
shadeslayerRejected16:35
yofelshadeslayer: protip, set the default upload location to something other than ubuntu in your ~/.dput.cf16:35
shadeslayer"The signer of this package is lacking the upload rights for the source package, component or package set in question."16:35
shadeslayerwhee16:35
Quintasanshadeslayer can't into archive16:37
Quintasan:P16:37
shadeslayer:D16:37
* Quintasan can't into Debian16:37
Quintasanfor life of me, I have never seen such a uncooperative device16:37
Quintasaneven Transformer is better at linux than imx16:37
shadeslayerhaha16:37
Quintasandud16:37
QuintasanI'm bootstraping a Debian armhf install from Debian netinstall16:38
QuintasanJust to make sure nothing fancy is going wrong16:38
Quintasanronnoc: I'm up if you need some help, might as well as get me in shap16:39
Quintasan+e16:39
* Quintasan has been absent for way too long16:39
ScottKshadeslayer: yofel's advice on dput.cf is very good.16:42
shadeslayeryeah, that's what I'm doing right now16:42
ScottKJust after I became a core-dev one of my first Main uploads was an accidental upload of kde-guidance to the archive that was supposed to go into a PPA.  It was during an Alpha soft freeze.16:43
ScottKRight after that is when I changed mine.16:43
shadeslayer:D16:44
Quintasan:D16:44
jtechidnamy dput.cf defaults to bob16:44
* Quintasan giggles16:44
shadeslayersaved by the fact that I don't have upload rights for ktp \o/16:44
ScottKjtechidna: Awesome.  Mine does too.16:44
QuintasanWhy bob?16:45
shadeslayermore importantly, what's bob?16:45
ScottKBecause it's a non-existent target.16:45
jtechidna"cannot upload to target 'bob'"16:45
shadeslayerhah16:45
Quintasanlol16:45
ScottKIf you just unset the target it'll default to Debian.16:45
jtechidnaholy metabug batman: bug 103002216:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1030022 in xmonad (Ubuntu) "Port from legacy Xlib to to modern XCB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103002216:46
ScottKjtechidna: Wow.  I took us out of it and pointed him to b.k.o.16:49
QuintasanSo.... meta16:49
jtechidnaScottK: thanks16:49
ScottKI am SOOOOOOO glad you can remove 'affects' now.16:49
* jtechidna too16:49
jtechidnaI predict that any packages that will stay affected will be the neglected ones anyways ;P16:51
ScottKYep.16:53
* debfx wants a delete bug button ...16:57
debfxor possibly delete user ;)16:57
yofelyou can now hide your comments, that's plenty of progress16:58
yofeldeleting ppa's would be a nice feature16:59
yofeli.e. - not just the button16:59
ronnocQuintasan: I can't get to it until after work...4 hours from now. I'm in EST 17:03
ronnocQuintasan: Thanks though I'm sure I'll need some17:03
shadeslayerand I think that's the last of it ...17:10
shadeslayerKTP uploaded to : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly17:10
debfxlooks like this guy has a history of filing absurd bugs with a gazillion tasks, bug #888662 and many more17:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 888662 in xxxterm (Ubuntu) "Web browsers should share the cache" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88866217:16
Riddellwow17:17
ScottKdebfx: Can you talk to someone in #lauchpad about it?17:17
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Riddellbug 1027889  is the last comment there someone who just hasn't upgraded?19:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1027889 in Precise Backports "backport rekonq 1.0" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102788919:25
Riddellcos I don't see any other issues19:26
micahgRiddell: someone who doesn't understand apt pinning19:26
Riddellmicahg: surely you have to set that up?19:26
micahgin oneiric on it's NotAutomatic (pinned to 100)19:27
micahgso, you have to explicitly install the backport19:27
micahgerr...in Natty on it's NotAutomatic, in Oneiric on it's enabled by default19:27
* ScottK was hoping jtechidna would have exposed this in a nice way to users by now.19:28
Riddellhum, I didn't know that19:29
ScottKMuon package manager will show multiple available versions.19:31
jtechidnamea culpa. I actually have the UI bits for showing multiple available versions in the Muon Software Center, but there's some backend work that would be too invasive this close to the 1.4 release.19:31
jtechidnaso it only exists as a patch on my harddrive atm19:32
jtechidnabut yes, the Muon Package Manager has a "Versions" tab that shows up when you are viewing a package with multiple available versions19:33
jtechidnaa la: http://i.imgur.com/NZmeE.png19:33
ScottKAlthough you can't tell which version it thought was "most appropriate" until you install.19:34
jtechidnaYou can find that out in the "Technical Details" tab19:35
jtechidnait shows the current candidate version: http://i.imgur.com/tK9bP.png19:35
ScottKIt would be nice to highlight the one that'll get installed in the versions tab.19:35
jtechidnahmm, true19:35
ScottKI think with that, the m-p-m would support this nicely.19:37
ScottKRiddell: So you can point people who are interested in the backports at muon package manager so the needn't care about pinning.19:37
jtechidnado you think bolding the selected version would be enough indication?19:38
ScottKI'd have to see it, but probably.19:39
ScottKIt just needs to be sufficiently obvious.19:39
jtechidnaScottK: e.g. http://i.imgur.com/jrG6K.png19:44
ScottKI think that'd do it.19:44
jtechidnathen if you force a different version, the forced version would be bold, etc19:45
ScottKCool.19:46
yofelcould you possibly also show the pin values if any are set intentionally?19:47
ScottKIf you set pin values manually, I'm not sure you're in the target audience.19:49
yofelthis is the packge manager - not the software center19:49
yofelbut you have a point that you would need to add that by hand anyway19:50
* yofel noticed a bug in his pin setup while thinking about this...19:52
ScottKI'd figure people who use pinning probably use apt.19:53
yofeluntil some developers intend to preset it for them19:53
yofelI'll file a whishlist bug later, low priority anyway19:54
jtechidnayofel: it'll read pin files for specific packages located in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ and show a lock on the package emblem19:55
jtechidnawith the option to pin/unpin the package in the context menu19:56
jtechidnabut I don't think there's any support for displaying or controlling archive/component level pins.19:59
yofelok, that would be enough I guess as that's what most people would look for if at all20:03
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1028283] package libqt4-help 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: package libqt4-help is a... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1028283 (by Isaac)20:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1028283 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "package libqt4-help 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: package libqt4-help is already installed and configured" [Undecided,New]20:34
andersonunsonsttest20:55
Riddellandersonunsonst: working :)20:56
andersonunsonstthanks :)20:57
Riddellfoo I can't get dh_install --list-missing to work with kde-workspace, the dual compile messing it up21:36
Riddellafiestas_: what is usr/bin/solid-network ?22:08
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