[09:07] <mpt> What's the appropriate verb for dismantling a RAID array, so that its disks/partitions are available for individual use?
[09:08] <mpt> "Dismantle"?
[09:08] <mpt> "Abolish"?
[11:25] <xnox> mpt:        --stop The   devices   should   be  active  md  arrays  which  will  be
[11:25] <xnox>               deactivated, as long as they are not currently in use.
[11:25] <xnox> but
[11:26] <xnox> i'd rather use the inverse term. Assemble & Disassemble
[11:26] <xnox> but in actual fact you should add more warning
[11:26] <xnox> e.g. "Assemble & Destroy"
[11:26] <xnox> because all data will be lost.
[11:30] <mpt> I think that would be better as the subtitle for the next Avengers movie
[11:34] <ogra_> could we combine the two ?
[11:34]  * ogra_ wouldnt mind watching avengers while partitioning
[11:35] <xnox> ogra_: we can always ship a customized ubuntu-slideshow package, possibly playing a movie or something like that =)
[11:35] <ogra_> heh
[12:43] <xnox> mpt: debconf is not handling utf-8 characters well. So instead of "You’ll choose a security key in the next step." I will have "You will ..."
[12:44] <mpt> xnox, why is it debconf at all?
[12:44] <xnox> mpt: don't ask.... internal implementation detail of how these whole translations are done.....
[12:45] <xnox> or possibly a mistake of assuming ASCII for English....
[12:45] <xnox> a minor bug for laters =)
[12:45] <mpt> xnox, sounds to me like you're trying too hard to reuse strings
[12:50] <xnox> mpt: well we have Gtk+ and Qt interfaces...
[12:52] <mpt> That doesn't mean it needs to be a @$#%!ing debconf prompt
[12:52] <mpt> (excuse me, that was directed at debconf, not at you:-)
[12:56] <mpt> xnox, ok, I just talked this over with ev and he explained why we use debconf
[12:56] <mpt> xnox, but he also pointed out that Ubiquity is translated into lots of languages, so there shouldn't be a problem with Unicode
[12:57] <xnox> hm... ev: so I am using a UTF-8 character in the actuall "C" locale debconf template.
[12:57] <xnox> and it ends up as question mark boxes in the UI.
[13:02] <infinity> Unicode is fine, but not in the C template.
[13:02] <infinity> (Why do people insist on unicode apostrophes?)
[13:04] <infinity> xnox: The C templates have to work with non-unicode locales and debconf frontends, so they really are ASCII.  That's not likely to change.
[13:04] <infinity> xnox: But, it's not rocket science to s/’/'/ surely?
[13:05] <infinity> That said, it's probably better style to not use contractions anyway.
[13:05] <xnox> mpt: ^^^^ enjoy the above reply.
[13:05] <xnox> infinity: but it is possible to translated into en_GB with UTF-8 apostrophe right?!
[13:05] <infinity> Non-native speakers often find contractions rather confusing, especially 'll
[13:06] <infinity> xnox: Sure, as long as the C string has ', the translations can have ☭ for all I care.
[15:06] <mpt> infinity, we prefer proper apostrophes 80% because it's the right thing to do, and 20% to demonstrate to independent developers the level of care we'd like them to take too.
[15:06] <mpt> But, if the choice is between "you'll" and "you will", ehhhh
[15:07] <infinity> mpt: Well, see my note above about foreign speakers often finding contractions confusing.
[15:07] <infinity> mpt: Don't assume that everyone installing in English speaks English natively.
[15:08] <infinity> "'ll" and "'ve" are the two worst offenders for confusing non-native speakers.
[15:09] <infinity> mpt: Anyhow, I take exception with the "right thing to do" comment, especially when you add the "example to other developers" bit, since "the right thing to do for C strings" is never to use non-ASCII characters. :P
[15:09] <mpt> infinity, we use contractions in other places too: "It’s safer to connect to AC power before updating", "This window isn’t closing because the application Foo has stopped responding."
[15:10] <infinity> mpt: Oh, I know we use them all over.  It was just a style point.  And 's and n't aren't nearly as confusing to people as 'll and 've, since the latter two involve verb conjugation.
[15:10] <mpt> But, fair point on someone installing being less likely to be fluent in the language they're installing in than someone using other parts of the OS.
[15:10] <infinity> To a non-native speaker, a sentence with 'll or 've appears to have no verb.
[15:11] <infinity> (Or, appears to no verb?)
[15:12] <mpt> 'll always comes before a verb, but I get your point
[15:12] <mpt> it's hiding the auxiliary
[15:13] <infinity> Fair point.  I suppose the odd cases where will isn't a modifier would never use a contraction, but you get the point anyway. ;)
[15:13] <infinity> (Wow, try saying "I'll your head to explode" out loud, it's slightly hilarious)
[15:15] <mpt> "Will you take this woman to be your lawful wedded wife?" "I'll."
[15:15] <infinity> Suddenly, I need to get married, just to say this.
[15:18] <xnox> mpt: isn't it "do you take..."?
[15:18] <mpt> It varies.
[15:18] <xnox> ok
[15:25] <infinity> Yeah, "I will" versus "I do" seems very regional.