[05:47] Anyone knows where we will be able to live stream the opening ceremony online? [06:04] Hm, that would be cool. When does it start, about ~20 hours from now? [06:42] morning [06:42] christel: hi [06:43] christel: You wouldn't by any chance know where I can livestream the opening ceremony would you? [06:43] hihi i have no idea [07:01] Morning all [07:01] First time back swimming this morning on my own, oh my.... [07:02] * diplo may have got a little unfit [07:02] ! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [07:37] bigcalm, I defrosted a herman I froze in February and it's still alive [07:49] * dwatkins wanders in [07:50] What is a herman, Dave2? [07:50] morning [07:50] http://www.hermanthegermanfriendshipcake.com/ [07:51] aha thanks, popey [07:51] I was wondering which entry on wikipedia to choose [07:53] dwatkins: I came to the same conclusion and gave up :D [07:55] Dave2: \o/ [08:04] COFFEE O CLOCK! [08:05] wow, just saw that irish guy from the IT crowd at the back of the office [08:07] \o/ [08:15] Goooooooooood Friday morning peeps :) [08:18] Anyone here going to the olympics opening cermony? [08:23] not i [08:25] * bigcalm is glad to live a very long way away from it all [08:28] Sneezing isn't meant to give me goose bumps. What gives? [08:28] bigcalm: sitemap.xml or Sitemap.xml or does it not matter for Google/search engines? [08:28] Not found a good answer yet, guessing i may find one here :) [08:28] Or my google foo sucks today, which is more likely [08:29] diplo: in my experience, file name are always better off lowercase and without spaces [08:29] Saves a lot of hassle [08:30] yeah, I always do the same.. I didn't create the last one but it was uppercase and threw me a little [08:31] If the existing one works, then it doesn't matter [08:32] But they are two different files as far as the filesystem is concerned [08:32] yeah, not sure so updated anyhoo and yeah but i was wondering on the search engine front, if it was me i'd be searching for both but couldn't find confirmation [08:32] ie a case insensitive search for sitemap.xml [08:33] And my left click on mouse has stopped working since recent update on 12.04, well not working properly rather than not working.. anyone any ideas on how to debug mouse issues ? [08:34] could it not be the hardware? [08:34] Could be, but happened straight after an update this morning.. maybe a coincidence but im doubting it [08:35] It clicks on the unity applications to launch, but can't select on anything anywhere else [08:35] So I'd say, application rather than hardware === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:37] diplo: you could create a symlink from one to the other [08:37] Cover your bases [08:40] Good call bigcalm, hadn't crossed my mind [08:40] forgot to change my updates server back after specifying one manually to perform an update..500 updates now required, and hopefully i can install stuff again :D [08:41] And gord, seems to be a unity issue as Cinnamon works fine. [08:41] heh oimon1 [08:42] cinnamon \o/ [08:43] Is it really...? It is! Happy Friday, everyone! :-D [08:43] :D [08:43] * bigcalm goes back to sleep [08:45] hi [08:45] morning all [08:46] Howdy AlanBell [08:48] Morning AlanBell [08:51] good morning everyone. [08:53] Hello [08:53] good morning [08:53] good day [08:53] morning nja and livingdaylight [08:54] question: I'm running xfce on a laptop. I presumed that the lighter the window manager the less the laptop would have to work, which in turn, I further presumed, equals a cool laptop. Can anyone confirm this hypothesis? [08:54] YAY! My Java code works! [08:54] Kinda! [08:54] I previously tried kde and gnome and my feeling is that xfce is making this laptop run hotter than either and considerably heavier window managers, kde and gnome. kde seemed to make my laptop run the coolest. Would appreciate some feedback and advice - thank you [08:55] I guess pretty much livingdaylight [08:55] GPU has to render more, makes it hotter etc [08:55] i installed powertop but don't know how to interpret the information [08:56] diplo, something along those lines is what I figured too; makes sense. So, why would xfce make turn this laptop into a hot brick? [08:56] Tried just running top and seeing what processes are using cpu ? [08:56] you're jumping to conclusions [08:57] first try and see what is eating cpu/gpu [08:57] rather than assume it's the desktop environment [08:57] What he said, albeit on this laptop i went back to windows as what ever hacks i tried i couldn't stop the fans going [08:57] Are you sure it's hot, or that fan control isn't working correctly [08:57] ? [08:58] not sure about anything, except that this is abnormally hot [08:59] I got conky running and nothing seems to be eating up cpu voraciously [08:59] I'd kill conky for a start [08:59] k [08:59] yep me to [08:59] updating the screen with vital statistics every second or so is going to run the cpu more than not [09:00] seems to be chewing up less than a 1% of cpu though according to its panel [09:00] yay! Health bars working, now to add credits and stuff [09:00] ah, forget it, I did something today. [09:00] ok, killed conky [09:00] livingdaylight, open a terminal, make it full screen, and run 'top' [09:00] see what's at the top of the list [09:01] also, what apps do you have running? [09:01] browser etc? [09:05] popey, firefox, transmission, xchat [09:07] http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/topxv.png/ [09:08] don't know what plugin-containe is, anyone? [09:08] doesnt look busy to me [09:08] although I am not surprised a machine gets hot if it's running transmission for a while [09:08] no, could be a lot busier and with this going i would expect it way cooler [09:08] what type of machine is it? [09:09] I had the lid closed for ages and when I came back to it, it was still very warm [09:09] Acer Aspire TimelineX 4830t [09:09] it was on, with the lid closed, running stuff? [09:09] mine gets hot with the lid closed, it insulates it [09:10] used to run super cool on windows which is why i chose it. It ran fairly cool on kde, warmer with gnome and HOT with xfce [09:10] it's that time again! [09:10] * directhex moos [09:10] AlanBell, shouldn't it hibernate and effectively be doing nothing? [09:10] sleep, not hibernate [09:10] by default yes, but some apps supress that [09:11] oh, depends what it is doing, but if I leave it doing stuff (not sleeping) it gets warm [09:11] probably transmission supressed the suspend [09:11] ok, sleep. I don't know the distinctions between hibernate, suspend and sleep [09:11] suspend = sleep = suspend to ram [09:11] popey, didn't have transmission on then [09:11] hibernate = suspend to disk [09:17] seems the plugin-containe is used by FF to help it stop crashing [09:17] plugin-container = flash [09:18] and yes if you have flash running somewhere, it will destroy your power management ;) [09:19] +1 [09:20] still. odd how differently it performs from one os to another even though i may be using all the same apps [09:21] Been using same OS but different DE's livingdaylight ? [09:21] Or totally different os's ? [09:24] * brobostigon unboxes his nexus7. [09:24] * brobostigon sings happy birthday song, to himself. [09:24] Grr brobostigon :) [09:25] :) [09:25] diplo, yes. kubuntu, ubuntu and xubuntu. Obviously, I had windows running on here first [09:27] HAPPY BIRTHDAY brobostigon <3 [09:27] thank you christel :) [09:27] So same OS, so the only different you have has been the DE's [09:28] gord most people use flash and pc's are there to do that, work hard. It doesnt' explain why it runs this hot constantly, even when not using flash. I don't know what the variable is, but it runs differently under different os's even linux ones [09:28] i would sing, but then you'd all leave irc forever :( [09:29] heh, wouldn't we need a hangout/mumble for that christel ? [09:29] christel, no, go ahead sing! a la marilyn monroe ;) [09:29] On an olumpic theme, I like the advert in one of the papers today https://p.twimg.com/AyyyMruCAAANWcg.jpg:large [09:30] ,,,,, [09:30] _|||||_ [09:30] {~*~*~*~} [09:30] __{*~*~*~*}__ [09:30] `-------------` [09:30] Happy Birthday brobostigon [09:30] diplo: GOOD POINT! lets do that right now [09:30] livingdaylight: hahaha [09:30] thank you popey :) [09:31] apparently security guards, or whatever they are, have been telling people not to use their cameras [09:32] http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/put-your-camera-away-security-guards-offer-glimpse-of-olympic-enforcers-7670707.html [09:33] first time i was in dallas there was some cool art piece next to some tall buildings so friends i was with started taking pictures of it, security guard came out and told us we aren't allowed.. [09:33] he seemed like he hated having to tell us that [09:35] you get the ones who hate having to enforce stupd rules, and are "just doing their job" and then there are also the opposite versions. the overzealous thugs-by-nature exercising their new-found power to enforce laws that don't even exist. Either way its absurd [09:37] We actually got gifted a couple tickets to see usa and france play basketball this Sunday. Should be fun once we get past airport security :) [09:37] well I can tell you that the event services team have specifically been trained that people taking photos is great, but people bringing 3 foot lenses and huge tripods should probably be on a press pass [09:39] g4s and proplerly-trained personel probably don't fit together in the same sentence [09:39] "The five photographers were standing on public property outside the Olympic Stadium on Saturday but were forcibly prevented from taking photos by guards who claimed it was forbidden from where they were standing. Only a week earlier, senior police officials had assured photographers that private security guards have no extra powers to clamp down on photography." [09:43] The Netherlands now wants the 2028 Olympics :( [09:44] * popey points and laughs [09:45] why on earth would a place *want* the olympics! [09:45] madness [09:45] NAURA <3 [09:45] christel: herrro [09:46] czajkowski: The crown prince is an IOC member. [09:46] <3 [09:46] or used to be anyway [09:47] * czajkowski had the mothership calling me yesterday wondering why the shopping center had been evacuated [09:47] czajkowski: my brother was there, he said the evacuation wasn't a big success [09:48] made news though [09:48] czajkowski: "bomb threat", he said [09:48] oh my [09:48] Also, https://twitter.com/RonaldvdStreek/status/228472855233441793 [09:49] MartijnVdS: yes and my mother knows I live close to that shopping center so she in turn then freaked [09:49] hrm i have been contemplating breakfast for about two hours.. maybe i should make some [09:49] i am thinking smoked salmon and scrambled eggs [09:49] Scrambled salmon and smoked eggs [09:50] yes! [09:50] MartijnVdS, your brother is funny [09:50] he got the sense of humour gene huh? :) [09:50] popey: Maybe.. :) [09:50] * popey had poached eggs on toast for brekkie [09:50] nyom [09:50] nom! [09:52] but.. it's lunch o'clock! [09:52] almost [09:53] you and your crazy timezones [10:03] Morning [10:03] exit [10:05] Morning all [10:06] Would be nice if somebody brought me breakfast [10:07] * bigcalm makes do with coffee and paracetamol [10:07] i changed my mind, i am having salami on toasted rye bread and HOT CHOCOLATE [10:07] omnom! [10:07] Yum [10:10] yus, tasty! the salty salami vs the sweet chocolate == morning bliss! \o [10:18] ewwww [10:22] Unity? http://cheezburger.com/6440954112 [10:26] Is it wrong that I've seen a non-geek try to use a closing tag in a facebook status, but got it wrong? "<\sarcasam>" oh dear [10:27] Is it wrong that it has made me cringe, is what I mean to put [10:27] I cringed when you posted that [10:28] eww [10:28] Can someone please explain to me what this means and why it isn't an IP Address. [10:28] ~nja@cpc17-duns6-2-0-cust206.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com [10:29] !fqdn [10:29] Aww [10:29] Google fqdn [10:29] that is a reverse lookup [10:29] !cloak [10:29] To get any kind of cloak (ubuntu member or any other kind) you first need to set up your nick as detailed in this FAQ: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - For Ubuntu member cloaks, ask in #ubuntu-irc and provide your launchpad page, for unaffiliated ones, ask in #freenode. [10:29] Thanks @bigcalm [10:30] ask in #freenode to get a cloak to hide the address [10:31] @AlanBell What does this mean then? [10:31] and my nickname is already setup [10:35] nja: basically if you would rather have a hostname cloak (spoof) to hide your ip/host whilst connected to irc you can request one in #freenode :) [10:35] @christel What do I need to say? [10:36] nja: this isn;t twitter no need to @ nicks just say their name is enough [10:37] @czajakowski What does everyone have against @ signs. I prefer it as it makes it clear that it's refering to a nickname. [10:37] hello [10:37] czajkowski: it's the nick completion in his irc client! ;) [10:37] nja: well, you can just ask for an unaffiliated cloak or, if you are an ubuntu member you can request a ubuntu one through ubuntu :) [10:38] anyone know where raid array info is stored on hard disks with linux software raid? [10:38] parititon table? [10:38] or buy a dns, and setup reverse dns. [10:38] @christel I'm actually kinda fine with it. It isn't a big security risk is it? [10:38] nja: you dont need it, it's silly to see on irc and saying a persons name already highlights it [10:39] JohnRobert: mdadm can give you details [10:39] Not sure what you are after [10:39] I've gotten in a right pickle [10:39] nja: not really no, they are certainly used more for vanity purposes than anything else :) [10:39] I'm trying to recover data off a 3tb hard disk from a WD mybook live [10:39] I think I've just about fixed the partition table [10:39] I'm not an expert, but do use it, mdadm -D can print details about your software raid [10:40] ooh, sounds fun [10:40] or ruined it.. it's impossible to be sure [10:40] yeah, unfortunately WD seem hell bent on using raid on just one disk [10:40] no idea why, but it makes life far more difficult [10:40] I was about to say, isn't the WD a single disc setup [10:40] also I have all the fun of funny sector sizes [10:40] it is in this case [10:41] wd mybook live 3tb one disk edition [10:41] basically the controller got killed in a thunderstorm about a year ago [10:42] strangely enough the hard disk was still spinning, so I ripped it out and it *works* [10:43] WD Sharespace what you were using ? [10:43] If so there is a tutorial on the wdc community site [10:43] I've never heard of sharespace [10:43] nja: it's more normal for nick completion to end with a : or , [10:44] bigcalm: OK fine then, I just prefered it. [10:44] nja: having a @ in front of nicks is just going to get you more hassle :) [10:44] nja: do whatever you wish. There are no rules about it :) [10:44] bigcalm: I don't get the problem with it! [10:45] hehe [10:45] nja: you might not, but other people do ;) [10:45] a [10:45] people, that's the problem -- we don't like change.. it unsettles us ;) [10:45] Another thing I don't get is why Virgin Media can't have a functioning website. [10:45] http://community.wdc.com/t5/WD-ShareSpace/HOWTO-Recover-files-from-a-RAID-1-mirrored-drive-when-the/td-p/138448 [10:45] christel: stop on :D [10:45] christel: and spot on [10:46] hehe [10:46] * bigcalm sighs and goes back to his code [10:46] hmmm code [10:49] diplo, it's not mirrored [10:49] raid0 I think.. [10:49] it's just one hard disk [10:49] So can my FQDN be used instead of an ip addresss, like for connecting to servers and stuff? [10:50] plus I remember when I was using it it reported 3tb ish free space [10:50] nja: that's what you do when you go to a website URL such as google.com [10:50] raid0 can't be done one one disc? [10:50] nja: the web browser looks up the IP address that google.com points at and then goes there [10:50] anyone know what the opposite of mdadm's --create is? [10:51] @bigcalm What I don't understand is WHY I see that instead of my IP Address. [10:51] * diplo thinks wd have some very weird setup [10:51] diplo, they do [10:51] Sorry, gonna take a while to break the @ habit [10:51] it's utterly pointless.. just laziness so they don't have to alter the way it works for 2 disk version I think [10:51] nja: because that's how the IRC servers are set to operate [10:51] @bigcalm I need technical details [10:52] nja: then I suggest you search for information on how IRC servers work :) [10:52] nja: Why you don't need tech details at all [10:52] i am impressed with the nexus7, it is very smooth, and impressed with the graphics. [10:53] davmor2: Cause I am just that sad [10:53] JohnRobert: There is bound to be others that have had the same issue [10:53] model number maybe and can have a google around ? [10:54] AlanBell, just popped to the butchers. bought some mexican spicy sausages, some normal sausages, a rack of ribs and some of their burgers [10:54] davmor2: *PROD* [10:54] popey: oh yummy!!!! [10:54] ribs are currently in the slow cooker in a home made bbq sauce [10:54] hmm wonder what time train to get down tomorrow [10:54] so just need warming/crisping on the bbq tomorrow [10:54] diplo, the 3tb one isn't quite that popular [10:54] czajkowski: Prod you talking and everything ;) [10:54] AlanBell: can you sms me your address please [10:54] it seems most people gave up trying to mount it [10:54] brb [10:55] popey: oh interesting, we have a slow cooker never thought of adding ribs in there [10:55] great call [10:55] yeah, only downside is the house smells lovely for 5 hours [10:55] working from home is stressful man [10:55] so if I don't bring any tomorrow you know why [10:56] * popey doesn't think so [10:56] hehe [10:56] * popey just popped to the butchers on an early lunch and swung past the park where the kids were playing [10:56] popey: thats cos you don't work for a shambolic organisation [10:56] can't do that at work :) [10:56] * popey holds his tongue [10:56] been trying to remote desktop into some servers that should have beeen sorted out months ago [10:57] poindering giving up for the day [10:57] already 3 hrs behind and feeling uptight [10:58] whereas I have completed testing of new unity on 3 machines sat in front of me \o/ [10:58] I want to allow users to upload files using scp, which means allowing shell access. How would I contain them to their home directory so they can't look at any other directories/files on teh system? [10:58] * czajkowski loves working from home, washing all done, caugh up on some shores. Working away and will go for a walk in the park at lunchtime and come back via the shops getting lunch [10:58] in other news, i got an email about the gnome screen lock bug that is fixed :D [10:59] Twinkletoes: There is a "scp only" tool, that + pam_chroot should keep people in their ~ [10:59] popey: 5.16 ? [10:59] Twinkletoes [10:59] I JUST wrote a blog post on that [10:59] 6? [10:59] yesterday [10:59] http://john-hunt.com [10:59] what a coincidence [10:59] Twinkletoes: $ apt-cache show rssh [11:00] my way is easier :p [11:00] oimon, no, an update for precise [11:00] don't think it'll be 5.16 [11:00] MartijnVdS: Sounds perfect, thank you! [11:00] JohnRobert: Reading your blog post nowm, thank you too! [11:01] yeah, I've played around quite a bit.. I'm not sure my way is the most secure though [11:01] popey: What fool took the software-updater out of the system indicator? [11:01] Yay I finally got Virgin Media to give me free Spotify Premium! [11:01] spotify :/ [11:01] Now to cache the entire internets [11:01] davmor2: is that why i can't seem to hide that stupid pop up ? [11:02] nja: how do you go about that? [11:02] "pay more money" [11:02] @Laney Lots of harddrives [11:02] no. the spotify [11:02] @Laney it's included in my package apparently [11:03] Laney: there was an email about it from VM [11:03] Time for more Teddybearkmusiks! [11:03] yeah, I don't think I get it [11:04] Laney: I'm on XL across the board [11:04] dear helpdesk , i am working @ home today, please can you sort it. reply: please can you come to the helpdesk to sort it [11:04] * nja highfives davmor2 [11:05] you need some kind of bundle [11:05] i only have internets [11:05] Laney: that's probably why [11:05] EXT4-fs (sdb4): bad block size 65536 [11:05] oh well [11:05] >:/ [11:06] I think that the kernel just doesn't support funny block sizes by default [11:06] or something weird like that [11:06] http://pastebin.com/rgiR6XMf [11:06] here's my partition table [11:07] davmor2, really? [11:07] popey: yeap [11:07] davmor2, doesn't it only appear if there are updates? [11:08] davmor2: if you manage to hide the popunder thing i'll give you an internet high 5 [11:08] popey: on +1 I like to check each morning before random updates through the day have chance to break it [11:10] neat [11:11] OK, Gonna play Deux Ex Now [11:11] popey: it used to be click top right hit the software-updater let it check and install, now unless you run it manually, you have to go to about this computer, wait for that to show and then click on the install updates button which then starts software-updater [11:11] No pinging me please [11:12] popey: p.s. that's if about this computer actually says there are update available it lies [11:12] nja, ok [11:12] davmor2, or just press super and type "up" [11:12] its the first hit [11:12] nja: will try not to [11:12] bigcalm, good man, nja will appreciate that [11:13] 3 pings [11:13] popey: indeed as I said unless you start it manually [11:13] * bigcalm and popey appear to be trolling nja [11:13] however you start it, you're starting it manually [11:13] unless it's already started as oimon indicated [11:13] bigcalm: hey come on nja said no pings play nice [11:14] davmor2: well, nja needs to learn not to tell us to not do something :P [11:14] * bigcalm stops for a bit [11:14] nja has indeed underestimated this channel [11:15] davmor2, so i looked at the changelog for indicator-session and dont see the change [11:15] nja: will eventually learn [11:15] wonder if it's in update-notifier [11:16] MartijnVdS: rssh looks perfect, except that I also need to offer ftp access to this box, and it doesn't allow ftp login :( [11:16] popey: in quantal I see, About this Computer, Ubuntu Help, System Settings, Lock, Sessions, Log out..., suspend, restart, switch off [11:17] same here [11:17] Lunch time! [11:18] popey: It happened when the new menu got rolled out :) [11:21] Disk /dev/sdb - 3000 GB / 2794 GiB - CHS 364801 255 63 [11:21] Analyse cylinder 2968/364800: 00% [11:21] :( [11:23] davmor2 new menu? [11:23] i should probably restart my session now and then [11:24] popey: yeap it merged sessions and system [11:24] oh that, thats been like it for a while [11:24] menu==indicator sorry [11:24] but system updaterererer has been in the menu and only left recently [11:25] popey: Pass I noticed it gone about 3-5 days ago and thought it was deliberate [11:27] 5 pings [11:27] Anyway done now [11:28] nja: Never say never on this channel it will bite you ;) [11:28] davmor2: Like Justin Bieber? [11:29] nja: if Justin Bieber bites you get photo's you'll be rich in no time :D [11:30] davmor2: Repeat for infinate moneys! [11:30] Tell you what I'm gonna do [11:30] When this Virgin Media Spotift thing runs out. I'm gonna download all my tracks and just use Spotify as the player. [11:31] By download I mean legally of course. ... ....... [11:32] It's like streaming, but to my harddrive, not the RAM. [11:39] hmm [11:40] right, I think the issue is I need to mount this ext4 fs that has a 65536byte block size [11:40] and normal kernels don't support that [11:40] anyone know anything about that? [11:40] is there a clever value I can pass to /proc somewhere? [11:42] gleh [11:42] gotta recompile kernel [11:42] :/ [11:58] To bring some fun to you lives: step 1 open a browser of your choice, 2 go to google. 3 Type in askew [11:58] 4 laugh :) [12:05] czajkowski: That company on the right must get some good free advertising! [12:06] are there any live distros with a page size > 4k? [12:13] hi, one of my server, xorg process take out 60% cpu, how do I know that it is doing ? [12:13] it is desktop, but it is not normal right?, it should less than 10% [12:14] KungFuPanda: why do you xorg running on a server [12:14] davmor2, gui server, got desktop [12:15] KungFuPanda: if it is an actual server it might be that the GFX card is crap and the processor is having to do all the work maybe just a guess though [12:17] davmor2, en, maybe, it is very old box, got a single core amd 2800+ cpu, maybe gcard crap as well [12:17] KungFuPanda: that is just a guess though [12:18] davmor2, how to check what gcard I got on it ? [12:18] lspci [12:19] * davmor2 off to lunch KungFuPanda what he said ^ :) [12:20]