[05:47] <GirlyGirl> Anyone knows where we will be able to live stream the opening ceremony online?
[06:04] <soreau> Hm, that would be cool. When does it start, about ~20 hours from now?
[06:42] <christel> morning
[06:42] <GirlyGirl> christel: hi
[06:43] <GirlyGirl> christel: You wouldn't by any chance know where I can livestream the opening ceremony would you?
[06:43] <christel> hihi i have no idea
[07:01] <diplo> Morning all
[07:01] <diplo> First time back swimming this morning on my own, oh my....
[07:02]  * diplo may have got a little unfit
[07:02] <diplo> !
[07:37] <Dave2> bigcalm, I defrosted a herman I froze in February and it's still alive
[07:49]  * dwatkins wanders in
[07:50] <dwatkins> What is a herman, Dave2?
[07:50] <popey> morning
[07:50] <popey> http://www.hermanthegermanfriendshipcake.com/
[07:51] <dwatkins> aha thanks, popey
[07:51] <dwatkins> I was wondering which entry on wikipedia to choose
[07:53] <diplo> dwatkins: I came to the same conclusion and gave up :D
[07:55] <christel> Dave2: \o/
[08:04] <christel> COFFEE O CLOCK!
[08:05] <mattt> wow, just saw that irish guy from the IT crowd at the back of the office
[08:07] <christel> \o/
[08:15] <bigcalm> Goooooooooood Friday morning peeps :)
[08:18] <GirlyGirl> Anyone here going to the olympics opening cermony?
[08:23] <mattt> not i
[08:25]  * bigcalm is glad to live a very long way away from it all
[08:28] <bigcalm> Sneezing isn't meant to give me goose bumps. What gives?
[08:28] <diplo> bigcalm: sitemap.xml or Sitemap.xml or does it not matter for Google/search engines?
[08:28] <diplo> Not found a good answer yet, guessing i may find one here :)
[08:28] <diplo> Or my google foo sucks today, which is more likely
[08:29] <bigcalm> diplo: in my experience, file name are always better off lowercase and without spaces
[08:29] <bigcalm> Saves a lot of hassle
[08:30] <diplo> yeah, I always do the same.. I didn't create the last one but it was uppercase and threw me a little
[08:31] <bigcalm> If the existing one works, then it doesn't matter
[08:32] <bigcalm> But they are two different files as far as the filesystem is concerned
[08:32] <diplo> yeah, not sure so updated anyhoo and yeah but i was wondering on the search engine front, if it was me i'd be searching for both but couldn't find confirmation
[08:32] <diplo> ie a case insensitive search for sitemap.xml
[08:33] <diplo> And my left click on mouse has stopped working since recent update on 12.04, well not working properly rather than not working.. anyone any ideas on how to debug mouse issues ?
[08:34] <gord> could it not be the hardware?
[08:34] <diplo> Could be, but happened straight after an update this morning.. maybe a coincidence but im doubting it
[08:35] <diplo> It clicks on the unity applications to launch, but can't select on anything anywhere else
[08:35] <diplo> So I'd say, application rather than hardware
[08:37] <bigcalm> diplo: you could create a symlink from one to the other
[08:37] <bigcalm> Cover your bases
[08:40] <diplo> Good call bigcalm, hadn't crossed my mind
[08:40] <oimon1> forgot to change my updates server back after specifying one manually to perform an update..500 updates now required, and hopefully i can install stuff again :D
[08:41] <diplo> And gord, seems to be a unity issue as Cinnamon works fine.
[08:41] <diplo> heh oimon1
[08:42] <oimon1> cinnamon \o/
[08:43] <JamesTait> Is it really...? It is! Happy Friday, everyone! :-D
[08:43] <bigcalm> :D
[08:43]  * bigcalm goes back to sleep
[08:45] <sophtpaw> hi
[08:45] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:46] <bigcalm> Howdy AlanBell
[08:48] <diplo> Morning AlanBell
[08:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:53] <nja> Hello
[08:53] <nja> good morning
[08:53] <livingdaylight> good day
[08:53] <brobostigon> morning nja and livingdaylight
[08:54] <livingdaylight> question: I'm running xfce on a laptop. I presumed that the lighter the window manager the less the laptop would have to work, which in turn, I further presumed, equals a cool laptop. Can anyone confirm this hypothesis?
[08:54] <nja> YAY! My Java code works!
[08:54] <nja> Kinda!
[08:54] <livingdaylight> I previously tried kde and gnome and my feeling is that xfce is making this laptop run hotter than either and considerably heavier window managers, kde and gnome. kde seemed to make my laptop run the coolest. Would appreciate some feedback and advice - thank you
[08:55] <diplo> I guess pretty much livingdaylight
[08:55] <diplo> GPU has to render more, makes it hotter etc
[08:55] <livingdaylight> i installed powertop but don't know how to interpret the information
[08:56] <livingdaylight> diplo, something along those lines is what I figured too; makes sense. So, why would xfce make turn this laptop into a hot brick?
[08:56] <diplo> Tried just running top and seeing what processes are using cpu ?
[08:56] <popey> you're jumping to conclusions
[08:57] <popey> first try and see what is eating cpu/gpu
[08:57] <popey> rather than assume it's the desktop environment
[08:57] <diplo> What he said, albeit on this laptop i went back to windows as what ever hacks i tried i couldn't stop the fans going
[08:57] <diplo> Are you sure it's hot, or that fan control isn't working correctly
[08:57] <diplo> ?
[08:58] <livingdaylight> not sure about anything, except that this is abnormally hot
[08:59] <livingdaylight> I got conky running and nothing seems to be eating up cpu voraciously
[08:59] <popey> I'd kill conky for a start
[08:59] <livingdaylight> k
[08:59] <diplo> yep me to
[08:59] <popey> updating the screen with vital statistics every second or so is going to run the cpu more than not
[09:00] <livingdaylight> seems to be chewing up less than a 1% of cpu though according to its panel
[09:00] <nja> yay! Health bars working, now to add credits and stuff
[09:00] <nja> ah, forget it, I did something today.
[09:00] <livingdaylight> ok, killed conky
[09:00] <popey> livingdaylight, open a terminal, make it full screen, and run 'top'
[09:00] <popey> see what's at the top of the list
[09:01] <popey> also, what apps do you have running?
[09:01] <popey> browser etc?
[09:05] <livingdaylight> popey, firefox, transmission, xchat
[09:07] <livingdaylight> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/topxv.png/
[09:08] <livingdaylight> don't know what plugin-containe is, anyone?
[09:08] <popey> doesnt look busy to me
[09:08] <popey> although I am not surprised a machine gets hot if it's running transmission for a while
[09:08] <livingdaylight> no, could be a lot busier and with this going i would expect it way cooler
[09:08] <popey> what type of machine is it?
[09:09] <livingdaylight> I had the lid closed for ages and when I came back to it, it was still very warm
[09:09] <livingdaylight> Acer Aspire TimelineX 4830t
[09:09] <popey> it was on, with the lid closed, running stuff?
[09:09] <AlanBell> mine gets hot with the lid closed, it insulates it
[09:10] <livingdaylight> used to run super cool on windows which is why i chose it. It ran fairly cool on kde, warmer with gnome and HOT with xfce
[09:10] <directhex> it's that time again!
[09:10]  * directhex moos
[09:10] <livingdaylight> AlanBell, shouldn't it hibernate and effectively be doing nothing?
[09:10] <popey> sleep, not hibernate
[09:10] <popey> by default yes, but some apps supress that
[09:11] <AlanBell> oh, depends what it is doing, but if I leave it doing stuff (not sleeping) it gets warm
[09:11] <popey> probably transmission supressed the suspend
[09:11] <livingdaylight> ok, sleep. I don't know the distinctions between hibernate, suspend and sleep
[09:11] <popey> suspend = sleep = suspend to ram
[09:11] <livingdaylight> popey, didn't have transmission on then
[09:11] <popey> hibernate = suspend to disk
[09:17] <livingdaylight> seems the plugin-containe is used by FF to help it stop crashing
[09:17] <gord> plugin-container = flash
[09:18] <gord> and yes if you have flash running somewhere, it will destroy your power management ;)
[09:19] <popey> +1
[09:20] <livingdaylight> still. odd how differently it performs from one os to another even though i may be using all the same apps
[09:21] <diplo> Been using same OS but different DE's livingdaylight ?
[09:21] <diplo> Or totally different os's ?
[09:24]  * brobostigon unboxes his nexus7.
[09:24]  * brobostigon sings happy birthday song, to himself.
[09:24] <diplo> Grr brobostigon :)
[09:25] <brobostigon> :)
[09:25] <livingdaylight> diplo, yes. kubuntu, ubuntu and xubuntu. Obviously, I had windows running on here first
[09:27] <christel> HAPPY BIRTHDAY brobostigon <3
[09:27] <brobostigon> thank you christel :)
[09:27] <diplo> So same OS, so the only different you have has been the DE's
[09:28] <livingdaylight> gord most people use flash and pc's are there to do that, work hard. It doesnt' explain why it runs this hot constantly, even when not using flash. I don't know what the variable is, but it runs differently under different os's even linux ones
[09:28] <christel> i would sing, but then you'd all leave irc forever :(
[09:29] <diplo> heh, wouldn't we need a hangout/mumble for that christel ?
[09:29] <livingdaylight> christel, no, go ahead sing! a la marilyn monroe ;)
[09:29] <DJones> On an olumpic theme, I like the advert in one of the papers today https://p.twimg.com/AyyyMruCAAANWcg.jpg:large
[09:30] <popey>            ,,,,,
[09:30] <popey>           _|||||_
[09:30] <popey>          {~*~*~*~}
[09:30] <popey>        __{*~*~*~*}__
[09:30] <popey>       `-------------`
[09:30] <popey>  Happy Birthday brobostigon
[09:30] <christel> diplo: GOOD POINT! lets do that right now
[09:30] <christel> livingdaylight: hahaha
[09:30] <brobostigon> thank you popey :)
[09:31] <livingdaylight> apparently security guards, or whatever they are, have been telling people not to use their cameras
[09:32] <livingdaylight> http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/put-your-camera-away-security-guards-offer-glimpse-of-olympic-enforcers-7670707.html
[09:33] <gord> first time i was in dallas there was some cool art piece next to some tall buildings so friends i was with started taking pictures of it, security guard came out and told us we aren't allowed..
[09:33] <gord> he seemed like he hated having to tell us that
[09:35] <livingdaylight> you get the ones who hate having to enforce stupd rules, and are "just doing their job" and then there are also the opposite versions. the overzealous thugs-by-nature exercising their new-found power to enforce laws that don't even exist. Either way its absurd
[09:37] <livingdaylight> We actually got gifted a couple tickets to see usa and france play basketball this Sunday. Should be fun once we get past airport security :)
[09:37] <AlanBell> well I can tell you that the event services team have specifically been trained that people taking photos is great, but people bringing 3 foot lenses and huge tripods should probably be on a press pass
[09:39] <livingdaylight> g4s and proplerly-trained personel probably don't fit together in the same sentence
[09:39] <livingdaylight> "The five photographers were standing on public property outside the Olympic Stadium on Saturday but were forcibly prevented from taking photos by guards who claimed it was forbidden from where they were standing. Only a week earlier, senior police officials had assured photographers that private security guards have no extra powers to clamp down on photography."
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> The Netherlands now wants the 2028 Olympics :(
[09:44]  * popey points and laughs
[09:45] <czajkowski> why on earth would a place *want* the olympics!
[09:45] <czajkowski> madness
[09:45] <christel> NAURA <3
[09:45] <czajkowski> christel: herrro
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: The crown prince is an IOC member.
[09:46] <christel> <3
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> or used to be anyway
[09:47]  * czajkowski had the mothership calling me yesterday wondering why the shopping center had been evacuated 
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: my brother was there, he said the evacuation wasn't a big success
[09:48] <czajkowski> made news though
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: "bomb threat", he said
[09:48] <christel> oh my
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> Also, https://twitter.com/RonaldvdStreek/status/228472855233441793
[09:49] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: yes and my mother knows I live close to that shopping center so she in turn then freaked
[09:49] <christel> hrm i have been contemplating breakfast for about two hours.. maybe i should make some
[09:49] <christel> i am thinking smoked salmon and scrambled eggs
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> Scrambled salmon and smoked eggs
[09:50] <christel> yes!
[09:50] <popey> MartijnVdS, your brother is funny
[09:50] <popey> he got the sense of humour gene huh? :)
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> popey: Maybe.. :)
[09:50]  * popey had poached eggs on toast for brekkie
[09:50] <popey> nyom
[09:50] <christel> nom!
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> but.. it's lunch o'clock!
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> almost
[09:53] <popey> you and your crazy timezones
[10:03] <bigcalm> Morning
[10:03] <knightwi1e> exit
[10:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:06] <bigcalm> Would be nice if somebody brought me breakfast
[10:07]  * bigcalm makes do with coffee and paracetamol
[10:07] <christel> i changed my mind, i am having salami on toasted rye bread and HOT CHOCOLATE
[10:07] <christel> omnom!
[10:07] <bigcalm> Yum
[10:10] <christel> yus, tasty! the salty salami vs the sweet chocolate == morning bliss! \o
[10:18] <davmor2> ewwww
[10:22] <bigcalm> Unity? http://cheezburger.com/6440954112
[10:26] <bigcalm> Is it wrong that I've seen a non-geek try to use a closing tag in a facebook status, but got it wrong? "<\sarcasam>" oh dear
[10:27] <bigcalm> Is it wrong that it has made me cringe, is what I mean to put
[10:27] <nja> I cringed when you posted that
[10:28] <AlanBell> eww
[10:28] <nja> Can someone please explain to me what this means and why it isn't an IP Address.
[10:28] <nja> ~nja@cpc17-duns6-2-0-cust206.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com
[10:29] <bigcalm> !fqdn
[10:29] <bigcalm> Aww
[10:29] <bigcalm> Google fqdn
[10:29] <AlanBell> that is a reverse lookup
[10:29] <AlanBell> !cloak
[10:29] <nja> Thanks @bigcalm
[10:30] <AlanBell> ask in #freenode to get a cloak to hide the address
[10:31] <nja> @AlanBell What does this mean then?
[10:31] <nja> and my nickname is already setup
[10:35] <christel> nja: basically if you would rather have a hostname cloak (spoof) to hide your ip/host whilst connected to irc you can request one in #freenode :)
[10:35] <nja> @christel What do I need to say?
[10:36] <czajkowski> nja: this isn;t twitter no need to @ nicks just say their name is enough
[10:37] <nja> @czajakowski What does everyone have against @ signs.  I prefer it as it makes it clear that it's refering to a nickname.
[10:37] <JohnRobert> hello
[10:37] <christel> czajkowski: it's the nick completion in his irc client! ;)
[10:37] <christel> nja: well, you can just ask for an unaffiliated cloak or, if you are an ubuntu member you can request a ubuntu one through ubuntu :)
[10:38] <JohnRobert> anyone know where raid array info is stored on hard disks with linux software raid?
[10:38] <JohnRobert> parititon table?
[10:38] <brobostigon> or buy a dns, and setup reverse dns.
[10:38] <nja> @christel I'm actually kinda fine with it.  It isn't a big security risk is it?
[10:38] <czajkowski> nja: you dont need it, it's silly to see on irc and saying a persons name already highlights it
[10:39] <diplo> JohnRobert: mdadm can give you details
[10:39] <diplo> Not sure what you are after
[10:39] <JohnRobert> I've gotten in a right pickle
[10:39] <christel> nja: not really no, they are certainly used more for vanity purposes than anything else :)
[10:39] <JohnRobert> I'm trying to recover data off a 3tb hard disk from a WD mybook live
[10:39] <JohnRobert> I think I've just about fixed the partition table
[10:39] <diplo> I'm not an expert, but do use it, mdadm -D can print details about your software raid
[10:40] <diplo> ooh, sounds fun
[10:40] <JohnRobert> or ruined it.. it's impossible to be sure
[10:40] <JohnRobert> yeah, unfortunately WD seem hell bent on using raid on just one disk
[10:40] <JohnRobert> no idea why, but it makes life far more difficult
[10:40] <diplo> I was about to say, isn't the WD a single disc setup
[10:40] <JohnRobert> also I have all the fun of funny sector sizes
[10:40] <JohnRobert> it is in this case
[10:41] <JohnRobert> wd mybook live 3tb one disk edition
[10:41] <JohnRobert> basically the controller got killed in a thunderstorm about a year ago
[10:42] <JohnRobert> strangely enough the hard disk was still spinning, so I ripped it out and it *works*
[10:43] <diplo> WD Sharespace what you were using ?
[10:43] <diplo> If so there is a tutorial on the wdc community site
[10:43] <JohnRobert> I've never heard of sharespace
[10:43] <bigcalm> nja: it's more normal for nick completion to end with a : or ,
[10:44] <nja> bigcalm: OK fine then, I just prefered it.
[10:44] <bigcalm> nja: having a @ in front of nicks is just going to get you more hassle :)
[10:44] <bigcalm> nja: do whatever you wish. There are no rules about it :)
[10:44] <nja> bigcalm: I don't get the problem with it!
[10:45] <christel> hehe
[10:45] <bigcalm> nja: you might not, but other people do ;)
[10:45] <diplo> a
[10:45] <christel> people, that's the problem -- we don't like change.. it unsettles us ;)
[10:45] <nja> Another thing I don't get is why Virgin Media can't have a functioning website.
[10:45] <diplo> http://community.wdc.com/t5/WD-ShareSpace/HOWTO-Recover-files-from-a-RAID-1-mirrored-drive-when-the/td-p/138448
[10:45] <bigcalm> christel: stop on :D
[10:45] <bigcalm> christel: and spot on
[10:46] <christel> hehe
[10:46]  * bigcalm sighs and goes back to his code
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> hmmm code
[10:49] <JohnRobert> diplo, it's not mirrored
[10:49] <JohnRobert> raid0 I think..
[10:49] <JohnRobert> it's just one hard disk
[10:49] <nja> So can my FQDN be used instead of an ip addresss, like for connecting to servers and stuff?
[10:50] <JohnRobert> plus I remember when I was using it it reported 3tb ish free space
[10:50] <bigcalm> nja: that's what you do when you go to a website URL such as google.com
[10:50] <diplo> raid0 can't be done one one disc?
[10:50] <bigcalm> nja: the web browser looks up the IP address that google.com points at and then goes there
[10:50] <JohnRobert> anyone know what the opposite of mdadm's --create is?
[10:51] <nja> @bigcalm What I don't understand is WHY I see that instead of my IP Address.
[10:51]  * diplo thinks wd have some very weird setup
[10:51] <JohnRobert> diplo, they do
[10:51] <nja> Sorry, gonna take a while to break the @ habit
[10:51] <JohnRobert> it's utterly pointless.. just laziness so they don't have to alter the way it works for 2 disk version I think
[10:51] <bigcalm> nja: because that's how the IRC servers are set to operate
[10:51] <nja> @bigcalm I need technical details
[10:52] <bigcalm> nja: then I suggest you search for information on how IRC servers work :)
[10:52] <davmor2> nja: Why you don't need tech details at all
[10:52] <brobostigon> i am impressed with the nexus7, it is very smooth, and impressed with the graphics.
[10:53] <nja> davmor2: Cause I am just that sad
[10:53] <diplo> JohnRobert: There is bound to be others that have had the same issue
[10:53] <diplo> model number maybe and can have a google around ?
[10:54] <popey> AlanBell, just popped to the butchers. bought some mexican spicy sausages, some normal sausages, a rack of ribs and some of their burgers
[10:54] <czajkowski> davmor2: *PROD*
[10:54] <czajkowski> popey: oh yummy!!!!
[10:54] <popey> ribs are currently in the slow cooker in a home made bbq sauce
[10:54] <czajkowski> hmm wonder what time train to get down tomorrow
[10:54] <popey> so just need warming/crisping on the bbq tomorrow
[10:54] <JohnRobert> diplo, the 3tb one isn't quite that popular
[10:54] <davmor2> czajkowski: Prod you talking and everything ;)
[10:54] <czajkowski> AlanBell: can you sms me your address please
[10:54] <JohnRobert> it seems most people gave up trying to mount it
[10:54] <davmor2> brb
[10:55] <czajkowski> popey: oh interesting, we have a slow cooker never thought of adding ribs in there
[10:55] <czajkowski> great call
[10:55] <popey> yeah, only downside is the house smells lovely for 5 hours
[10:55] <oimon1> working from home is stressful man
[10:55] <popey> so if I don't bring any tomorrow you know why
[10:56]  * popey doesn't think so
[10:56] <christel> hehe
[10:56]  * popey just popped to the butchers on an early lunch and swung past the park where the kids were playing
[10:56] <oimon1> popey: thats cos you don't work for a shambolic organisation
[10:56] <popey> can't do that at work :)
[10:56]  * popey holds his tongue
[10:56] <oimon1> been trying to remote desktop into some servers that should have beeen sorted out months ago
[10:57] <oimon1> poindering giving up for the day
[10:57] <oimon1> already 3 hrs behind and feeling uptight
[10:58] <popey> whereas I have completed testing of new unity on 3 machines sat in front of me \o/
[10:58] <Twinkletoes> I want to allow users to upload files using scp, which means allowing shell access.  How would I contain them to their home directory so they can't look at any other directories/files on teh system?
[10:58]  * czajkowski loves working from home, washing all done, caugh up on some shores. Working away and will go for a walk in the park at lunchtime and come back via the shops getting lunch
[10:58] <oimon1> in other news, i got an email about the gnome screen lock bug that is fixed :D
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> Twinkletoes: There is a "scp only" tool, that + pam_chroot should keep people in their ~
[10:59] <oimon1> popey: 5.16 ?
[10:59] <JohnRobert> Twinkletoes
[10:59] <JohnRobert> I JUST wrote a blog post on that
[10:59] <oimon1> 6?
[10:59] <JohnRobert> yesterday
[10:59] <JohnRobert> http://john-hunt.com
[10:59] <JohnRobert> what a coincidence
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> Twinkletoes: $ apt-cache show rssh
[11:00] <JohnRobert> my way is easier :p
[11:00] <popey> oimon, no, an update for precise
[11:00] <popey> don't think it'll be 5.16
[11:00] <Twinkletoes> MartijnVdS: Sounds perfect, thank you!
[11:00] <Twinkletoes> JohnRobert: Reading your blog post nowm, thank you too!
[11:01] <JohnRobert> yeah, I've played around quite a bit.. I'm not sure my way is the most secure though
[11:01] <davmor2> popey: What fool took the software-updater out of the system indicator?
[11:01] <nja> Yay I finally got Virgin Media to give me free Spotify Premium!
[11:01] <JohnRobert> spotify :/
[11:01] <nja> Now to cache the entire internets
[11:01] <oimon1> davmor2: is that why i can't seem to hide that stupid pop up ?
[11:02] <Laney> nja: how do you go about that?
[11:02] <Laney> "pay more money"
[11:02] <nja> @Laney Lots of harddrives
[11:02] <Laney> no. the spotify
[11:02] <nja> @Laney it's included in my package apparently
[11:03] <davmor2> Laney: there was an email about it from VM
[11:03] <nja> Time for more Teddybearkmusiks!
[11:03] <Laney> yeah, I don't think I get it
[11:04] <davmor2> Laney: I'm on XL across the board
[11:04] <oimon1> dear helpdesk , i am working @ home today, please can you sort it. reply: please can you come to the helpdesk to sort it
[11:04]  * nja highfives davmor2
[11:05] <Laney> you need some kind of bundle
[11:05] <Laney> i only have internets
[11:05] <davmor2> Laney: that's probably why
[11:05] <JohnRobert> EXT4-fs (sdb4): bad block size 65536
[11:05] <Laney> oh well
[11:05] <JohnRobert> >:/
[11:06] <JohnRobert> I think that the kernel just doesn't support funny block sizes by default
[11:06] <JohnRobert> or something weird like that
[11:06] <JohnRobert> http://pastebin.com/rgiR6XMf
[11:06] <JohnRobert> here's my partition table
[11:07] <popey> davmor2, really?
[11:07] <davmor2> popey: yeap
[11:07] <popey> davmor2, doesn't it only appear if there are updates?
[11:08] <oimon1> davmor2: if you manage to hide the popunder thing i'll give you an internet high 5
[11:08] <davmor2> popey: on +1 I like to check each morning before random updates through the day have chance to break it
[11:10] <popey> neat
[11:11] <nja> OK, Gonna play Deux Ex Now
[11:11] <davmor2> popey: it used to be click top right hit the software-updater let it check and install,  now unless you run it manually, you have to go to about this computer, wait for that to show and then click on the install updates button which then starts software-updater
[11:11] <nja> No pinging me please
[11:12] <davmor2> popey: p.s. that's if about this computer actually says there are update available it lies
[11:12] <popey> nja, ok
[11:12] <popey> davmor2, or just press super and type "up"
[11:12] <popey> its the first hit
[11:12] <bigcalm> nja: will try not to
[11:12] <popey> bigcalm, good man, nja will appreciate that
[11:13] <nja> 3 pings
[11:13] <davmor2> popey: indeed as I said unless you start it manually
[11:13]  * bigcalm and popey appear to be trolling nja
[11:13] <popey> however you start it, you're starting it manually
[11:13] <popey> unless it's already started as oimon indicated
[11:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey come on nja said no pings play nice
[11:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: well, nja needs to learn not to tell us to not do something :P
[11:14]  * bigcalm stops for a bit
[11:14] <popey> nja has indeed underestimated this channel
[11:15] <popey> davmor2, so i looked at the changelog for indicator-session and dont see the change
[11:15] <czajkowski> nja: will eventually learn
[11:15] <popey> wonder if it's in update-notifier
[11:16] <Twinkletoes> MartijnVdS: rssh looks perfect, except that I also need to offer ftp access to this box, and it doesn't allow ftp login :(
[11:16] <davmor2> popey: in quantal I see, About this Computer, Ubuntu Help, System Settings, Lock, Sessions, Log out..., suspend, restart, switch off
[11:17] <popey> same here
[11:17] <bigcalm> Lunch time!
[11:18] <davmor2> popey: It happened when the new menu got rolled out :)
[11:21] <JohnRobert> Disk /dev/sdb - 3000 GB / 2794 GiB - CHS 364801 255 63
[11:21] <JohnRobert> Analyse cylinder  2968/364800: 00%
[11:21] <JohnRobert> :(
[11:23] <popey> davmor2 new menu?
[11:23] <popey> i should probably restart my session now and then
[11:24] <davmor2> popey: yeap it merged sessions and system
[11:24] <popey> oh that, thats been like it for a while
[11:24] <davmor2> menu==indicator sorry
[11:24] <popey> but system updaterererer has been in the menu and only left recently
[11:25] <davmor2> popey: Pass I noticed it gone about 3-5 days ago and thought it was deliberate
[11:27] <nja> 5 pings
[11:27] <nja> Anyway done now
[11:28] <davmor2> nja: Never say never on this channel it will bite you ;)
[11:28] <nja> davmor2: Like Justin Bieber?
[11:29] <davmor2> nja: if Justin Bieber bites you get photo's you'll be rich in no time :D
[11:30] <nja> davmor2: Repeat for infinate moneys!
[11:30] <nja> Tell you what I'm gonna do
[11:30] <nja> When this Virgin Media Spotift thing runs out.  I'm gonna download all my tracks and just use Spotify as the player.
[11:31] <nja> By download I mean legally of course.  ... .......
[11:32] <nja> It's like streaming, but to my harddrive, not the RAM.
[11:39] <JohnRobert> hmm
[11:40] <JohnRobert> right, I think the issue is I need to mount this ext4 fs that has a 65536byte block size
[11:40] <JohnRobert> and normal kernels don't support that
[11:40] <JohnRobert> anyone know anything about that?
[11:40] <JohnRobert> is there a clever value I can pass to /proc somewhere?
[11:42] <JohnRobert> gleh
[11:42] <JohnRobert> gotta recompile kernel
[11:42] <JohnRobert> :/
[11:58] <czajkowski> To bring some fun to you lives: step 1  open a browser of your choice, 2 go to google.  3 Type in askew
[11:58] <czajkowski> 4 laugh :)
[12:05] <nja> czajkowski: That company on the right must get some good free advertising!
[12:06] <JohnRobert> are there any live distros with a page size > 4k?
[12:13] <KungFuPanda> hi, one of my server, xorg process take out 60% cpu, how do I know that it is doing ?
[12:13] <KungFuPanda> it is desktop, but it is not normal right?, it should less than 10%
[12:14] <davmor2> KungFuPanda: why do you xorg running on a server
[12:14] <KungFuPanda> davmor2, gui server, got desktop
[12:15] <davmor2> KungFuPanda: if it is an actual server it might be that the GFX card is crap and the processor is having to do all the work maybe just a guess though
[12:17] <KungFuPanda> davmor2, en, maybe, it is very old box, got a single core amd 2800+ cpu, maybe gcard crap as well
[12:17] <davmor2> KungFuPanda: that is just a guess though
[12:18] <KungFuPanda> davmor2, how to check what gcard I got on it ?
[12:18] <JohnRobert> lspci
[12:19]  * davmor2 off to lunch KungFuPanda what he said ^ :)
[12:20] <KungFuPanda> thanks, is this crap gcard ?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1113676/
[12:21] <JohnRobert> ahhh
[12:21] <JohnRobert> sis
[12:21] <JohnRobert> I used to have one of those
[12:21] <JohnRobert> they're not very good.
[12:22] <JohnRobert> I believe it may have been in my shuttle pc
[12:22] <JohnRobert> iirc I had issues with the driver
[12:22] <JohnRobert> but that was with a kernel that is now about 6 or 7 years old at a guess
[12:23] <JohnRobert> can't remember but there may have been a much better proprietary driver for it
[12:23] <JohnRobert> worth a google
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> Not for recent Xorg versions
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> Intel is where it's at
[12:26] <KungFuPanda> which line is the gcard information, is it the last line ? or first line ?
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> KungFuPanda: the one that says 'VGA compatible controller'
[12:27] <KungFuPanda> thx
[12:29] <directhex> moo
[12:29] <directhex> yikes, SiS
[12:29] <directhex> i had a SiS card as an undergrad
[12:36] <bigcalm> Somebody needs to take this bag of Maltesers off me :S
[12:36]  * mattt takes them from bigcalm
[12:36] <mattt> mmm
[12:54] <christel> i love maltesers, give 'em here
[12:54] <christel> i'll look after them
[12:54]  * christel nods
[12:55] <JohnRobert> don't tempt me
[12:55] <JohnRobert> :/
[12:55] <JohnRobert> I'm getting fat these days
[12:56]  * bigcalm eyes his bed
[12:57] <christel> your BED?
[12:58] <christel> it is only 2pm!
[12:58] <christel> i am having a liquid lunch today O/
[13:00] <oimon1> pregnant wife wanted mcD's so i had to help her
[13:03] <christel> hehe
[13:04] <diplo> Liquid lunch again christel!
[13:04] <diplo> Alright for some!
[13:07] <christel> hehe
[13:07] <christel> figured i had better practise before tomorrow ;)
[13:08] <bigcalm> Grr :P
[13:09] <christel> :D
[13:09] <christel> OH YES SO BIGCALM WE'RE HAVING THIS AMAZING BBQ TOMORROW
[13:09] <christel> there will be lots of BEAUTIFUL AWESOME LOVELY PEOPLE
[13:09] <christel> :P
[13:09] <dogmatic69> new linkedin looks very microsoft
[13:13] <popey> aaargh
[13:13] <popey> my kitchen smells of bbq ribs
[13:13] <bigcalm> Will they make it to the BBQ?
[13:13] <popey> they may
[13:22] <christel> hehe
[13:24] <davmor2> popey: bigcalm, on precise now in software center is an app that might interest you, it's called mc-launch it installs MC and installs mods too :)
[13:24] <bigcalm> Does it work correctly?
[13:25] <DJones> davmor2: Have you got a link for that
[13:26] <nja> Oh yea, you're all going to be at the BBQ I can't go to :(
[13:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't know that's why I directed MC players at it
[13:26] <bigcalm> :)
[13:26] <AlanBell> afternoon
[13:26] <DJones> davmor2: Doesn't show up on packages.ubuntu at the minute
[13:27] <davmor2> DJones: it's not in the repos it's a for purchase app
[13:27] <DJones> Right
[13:27] <jpds> Didn't know davmor2 was in sales.
[13:27] <davmor2> DJones: A massive $2.99 iirc
[13:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: if it's pay-for, I don't see it taking off
[13:28] <bigcalm> I could be wrong
[13:28] <bigcalm> As MC is already something you have to pay for
[13:28] <jpds> bigcalm: Of course it will, it's got launch in the name.
[13:28] <DJones> Maybe $2.99 is worth it if it gives you a propery launcher in the unity bar
[13:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: you'll be surprised
[13:29] <nja> I think we should make a pertition asking Mojang for better Ubuntu support.
[13:30] <davmor2> DJones: it's more that it enables you to get java installed, MC installed and any mods in place with easy, more than unity integration
[13:30] <christel> afternoon AlarmBell
[13:30] <popey> way!
[13:30] <popey> er
[13:30] <popey> wat!
[13:30] <DJones> davmor2: Ah so its automatix for minecraft :)
[13:31] <popey> I'm not paying 2.99 for an app that can't even spell "Java"
[13:31] <davmor2> DJones: indeed
[13:31] <davmor2> popey: he was just removing the importance away from java :P
[13:32] <bigcalm> I think Java is fairly important to run MC
[13:32] <davmor2> popey: he splet it right in the App
[13:32] <davmor2> spelt even
[13:33] <bigcalm> Haha
[13:33] <popey> but not in the screenshot
[13:33] <popey> (and yes, ironic)
[13:34] <nja> I paid for Minecraft and I'm not going to pay for a launcher.
[13:36] <popey> ditto
[13:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: see, this proves my point
[13:36] <popey> when i want to run minecraft I actually open a terminal and do:-
[13:36] <popey> cd Games/Minecraft
[13:36] <popey> java -jar minecraft.jar
[13:36] <popey> _every_ time
[13:37] <popey> :)
[13:37] <davmor2> yet if it was the ipad or android you would happily pay you can't win can you :D
[13:37] <bigcalm> Not really
[13:37] <DJones> davmor2: On Android, I just touch the Minecraft Icon
[13:38] <gord> a launcher that handles mods for you is something worth paying for surely?
[13:38] <gord> if you want to use mods
[13:38] <bigcalm> I'm so vanilla that I haven't even skinned my Steve
[13:38] <popey> davmor2, the ipad or android dont have the problem
[13:38] <davmor2> :)  bigcalm popey to be honest you possibly aren't the target audience :)  but I thought I'd let you know about it :)
[13:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: thank you :)
[13:40] <nja> So, what are our opinions on Steam for Linux?
[13:41] <davmor2> in this heat who needs steam
[13:41] <christel> steamy enough already eh?
[13:41] <bigcalm> Oh, a sauna followed by shower would be nice
[13:42] <christel> nja: i'm not much of a gamer so it's quite irrelevant to me, but on a more general level i think it is Good and hopefully something which will contribute to linux becoming the choice for your more average user :)
[13:43] <davmor2> christel: with your constant taunting of CAKE how can it not be steamy enough :D
[13:43] <nja> @christel What about issues with the Software Centre?
[13:43] <nja> Conflictions and etc.
[13:44] <christel> i am sure they will be fixed, i have great confidence in stuff being fixed ;)
[13:44] <christel> davmor2: steamy cake? ;)
[13:44] <bigcalm> This is why it's starting on Ubuntu. Lots of things to iron out
[13:45] <nja> So long as Tribes Ascend runs, I'm sold.
[13:52] <jacobw> apt problem
[13:53] <davmor2> jacobw: What?
[13:53] <jacobw> i removed a package from X number of servers using clusterssh, which really small terminals, the postrm script calls debconf which uses dialogue and quits in really small windows
[13:54] <jacobw> so I want to go through X number of servers and remove the package with a normally sized terminal
[13:55] <jacobw> i guess i need to stop the hung process, reinstall the package and try again
[14:28] <Azelphur> this is pretty awesome, lockergnome got his dad ("typical user") to try Windows 8, he ended up totally confused and frustrated and the video ended with "They tryin' to drive me to Mac?!"
[14:28] <Azelphur> couple days later he dropped dad on Ubuntu, dives straight in
[14:28] <jacobw> normal people are ruining linux for the rest of us :P
[14:28] <ali1234> really
[14:28] <Azelphur> haha
[14:29] <Azelphur> jacobw: imo, Einsteins "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" applies to software design
[14:30] <Azelphur> there's no reason a OS can't be simple while retaining all the fancy functionality, Ubuntu does quite a good job of fitting into that box
[14:30] <jacobw> ubuntu isn't an OS
[14:31] <ali1234> no it doesn't
[14:31] <Azelphur> jacobw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)
[14:32] <Azelphur> feel free to correct wikipedia :P
[14:46] <jacobw> i think that'd last not very long
[14:51] <JohnRobert> I think win8 is actually very usable
[14:51] <JohnRobert> for most normal people
[14:52] <JohnRobert> most people I know who just want a web browser
[14:52] <JohnRobert> ubuntu is an OS isn't it?
[14:52] <JohnRobert> linux is the kernel
[14:52] <JohnRobert> ubuntu is the OS
[14:53] <jacobw> OS doesn't really mean anything
[14:53] <jacobw> just 'that thing'
[14:53] <JohnRobert> operating system
[14:53] <JohnRobert> it's what you interface with
[14:53] <jacobw> the interface is what you interface with :)
[14:58] <Twinkletoes> If I use ssh-keygen, and copy the public key for putty to use in Windows, it's not compatible.  Can I create a public/private key pair that is compatible with OpenSSH and putty, when using ssh-keygen?
[15:04] <popey> why would you want to?
[15:04] <popey> surely each machine should have its own key
[15:06] <jacobw> i think you want to copy the private key to windows and the public key to the server
[15:07] <Twinkletoes> jacobw: Oops, my bad - yes your'e right :)
[15:09] <diplo> Twinkletoes: Open puttygen and load the public key in there and then copy and paste that
[15:09] <diplo> the contents of the file differ, don't know why not looked into it
[15:10] <Twinkletoes> diplo: Yeah, puttygen can save the key in putty format, but WinSCP (for eaxmple) can't use the private key as it is in openssh format
[15:10] <Twinkletoes> diplo: I was trying to create a key which could be used by both putty (and related progs) and openssh
[15:10] <diplo> ah okay
[15:10] <Twinkletoes> diplo: I borked my first question, sorry about that
[15:11] <diplo> I came into it late as well
[15:11] <diplo> And popey, I know it's probably best practise but do you create a new key for every server ?
[15:11] <jacobw> no
[15:12] <jacobw> i think he means that each server should have it's own host keys
[15:12] <popey> no i am talking about the client
[15:12] <popey> no
[15:12] <popey> i am saying don't copy the client key around, but ssh-keygen on each one
[15:12] <jacobw> :)
[15:13] <Twinkletoes> Whats the easiest way of handling openssh and putty format keys?
[15:14] <Twinkletoes> I can convert, but it's just a PITA
[15:14] <jacobw> i'm sure there's a key format support by both
[15:15] <jacobw> it might be the wrapping that's problem
[15:48] <Twinkletoes> openssh/putty key formats... I installed putty-tools from the repos (which contains puttygen), then just "puttygen >openssh-keyfile> -O private -o <output-file>" which creates a putty-compatible private key file
[15:49] <Twinkletoes> :)
[16:00] <oimon1> my cinnamon menu isn't showing (m)any entries, any ideas? http://ubuntuone.com/7EC1QELBZz20PbNjzd1XUy
[16:05] <yothsoggoth> oimon1, use xfce ;). But seriously, have you used it for a while and it's only just stopped showing entries, or has it never shown any since installing?
[16:06] <oimon1> on this pc i used to have it installed via svn, but now i'm using newer package
[16:06] <oimon1> not sure if thre's some old cruft lying around, despite the make uninstall
[16:09] <oimon1> yothsoggoth: hey you fixed it :D
[16:09] <yothsoggoth> I did?
[16:09] <oimon1> i ctrl-alt-f1 and did a purge, then a reinstall, then cinnamon --replace and all works, without even losing my session
[16:10] <yothsoggoth> nice :D
[16:10] <oimon1> cinnamon is what gnome2 should have been :P
[16:11] <ali1234> no it isn't, cinnamon breaks multimonitor support
[16:11] <oimon1> by breaks, do you mean "works" :P
[16:11] <oimon1> works for me on nvidia :D
[16:11] <ali1234> by breaks i mean you can't put any panel on another monitor at all
[16:11] <oimon1> in expo mode?
[16:11] <oimon1> or normal use?
[16:12] <ali1234> in any kind of use
[16:12] <oimon1> shame, works lovely here
[16:12] <ali1234> the same goes for anything based on gnome shell
 cinnamon is what gnome2 should have been :P
[16:12] <oimon1> i have it installed as my main DE on my 4 PCs now
[16:12] <popey> what does that even mean?
[16:13] <oimon1> popey: the gnome 2 style DE, but with more friendly systray and expo mode etc, and searchable menu
[16:13] <ali1234> what is expo mode?
[16:13] <popey> so you mean, what GNOME3 should have been?
[16:14] <ali1234> you mean the confusing shell-game inspired window switching method employed by unity and OS X?
[16:14] <oimon1> well, i mean the features gnome2 should have been adding without drastically changing the way of doing things
[16:15] <oimon1> ali1234: or the desktop wall mode where you can show a wall of virtual desktops
[16:15] <yothsoggoth> I like cinammon but find it slightly to buggy for me to bother with constant use atm. I have it installed on my main pc, but reverted back to XFCE after constant crashes with cinammon
[16:15] <ali1234> i don't see a reason to use cinnamon, it's just aping gnome-panel, and not very well
[16:15] <ali1234> in the end it has all the same problems as gnome-shell
[16:16] <oimon1> gnome shell doesn't even let you switch apps
[16:16] <oimon1> without going into some overlay thing
[16:17] <oimon1> ali1234: i'm sure you would like cinnamon if you quite liked gnome2
[16:17] <ali1234> neither lets you switch apps at all if they aren't on the primary monitor
[16:18] <ali1234> in fact they both act as if those apps don't exist at all
[16:18] <yothsoggoth> I don't mind gnome shell too much on my laptop, because I never use the mouse to switch apps or anything anyway, always alt+tab. But I couldn't stand it on my main pc, nor Unity.
[16:18] <oimon1> someting's wrong with your setup
[16:18] <ali1234> no, it is by design
[16:18] <oimon1> it's completely nomral here
[16:18] <ali1234> yu only have one monitor
[16:18] <oimon1> at work i have 2
[16:18] <ali1234> so how do you put a panel on the second monitor then?
[16:19] <oimon1> you want the menu/apps/systray panel to spread across both monitors?
[16:19] <ali1234> i don't use gnome-panel with default settings - the defaults are rubbish if you have two monitors
[16:19] <ali1234> no
[16:19] <ali1234> i want independent window lists on each monitor
[16:19] <ali1234> and a start menu on each monitor
[16:20] <ali1234> essentially, if either monitor were turned off, i would be able to use the computer normally
[16:20] <oimon1> sounds a bit special, sounds like you want the 2 X server setup
[16:20] <ali1234> why would i want 2 X servers? then i can not drag windows between monitors
[16:21] <yothsoggoth> ali1234: What do you use? Sounds like a nice setup for multimonitors
[16:21] <ali1234> i use gnome-panel
[16:22] <yothsoggoth> ahh, as in "fallback mode" gnome-panel?
[16:22] <ali1234> yes
[16:23] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts
[16:23] <ali1234> hmm
[16:23] <yothsoggoth> I might have to give that try, sounds good for two monitors. It's surprising how ignorant all of the DEs are for decent multimonitor support
[16:23] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/82D6UjGZh6L
[16:24] <ali1234> that
[16:25] <oimon1> there is a request @ https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/130
[16:25] <ali1234> gnome-shell can't even do half the stuff in that screenshot
[16:25] <yothsoggoth> looks good, just like <10.04
[16:25] <ali1234> not even with extensions
[16:25] <ali1234> oimon1: see also issue 104 like it says in comments
[16:26] <ali1234> https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/104
[16:26] <ali1234> when they fix both those problems, gnome-shell might just about be usable on multimonitor
[16:27] <oimon1> because i'm on dekstop PC at work with 2 mons always on, this doesn't really arise
[16:27] <oimon1> for me
[16:27] <ali1234> so am i
[16:27] <oimon1> but i can see why you might want it
[16:27] <ali1234> it has nothing to do with turning the monitors off
[16:27] <oimon1> if you had a laptop, or projector
[16:27] <ali1234> if you put windows on the second monitor under gnome-shell, they appear on every desktop, and cannot be managed
[16:28] <ali1234> gnome-shell just acts like they don't exist at all
[16:28] <ali1234> i need a launcher and task list on every monitor because i run things fullscreen all the time
[16:29] <ali1234> and because it makes it easier to find windows
[16:29] <ali1234> it's much easier to switch to a window by going to the desktop it is on, then selecting it
[16:29] <ali1234> it's much easier that way than just getting blasted with a list of everything on the system in a random unorganized way
[16:29] <ali1234> which is what unity and gnome-shell do
[17:22] <Azelphur> Has anyone ever managed (or know how to) use an android tablet as a secondary monitor?
[17:38] <nja> I'm back!
[17:38] <nja> poor you guys.
[17:40] <christel> welcome back nja \o/
[17:41] <nja> christel: :D
[17:41] <nja> It's me and my DLLP IP thingy that I forgot the name of!
[17:43] <christel> hehe
[17:45] <nja> @christel What are you doing?
[17:45] <nja> I've finally got around to sorta do some work!
[17:46] <Pendulum> nja: it's friday. why would you do work?
[17:46] <nja> @Pendulum cause I ... erm... feel like it?
[17:47] <Pendulum> fair enough, just not used to folks sounding excited about work on a Friday evening
[17:48] <nja> @Pendulum It's sorta a personal project, so I don't mind
[17:48] <nja> My friends and I are tring to set up somekind of a games company.
[17:49] <christel> nja: \o/ i am about to cook dinner :)
[17:49] <nja> @christel WOW U R SO LUCKY!
[17:49] <nja> I iz so jelly right now
[17:50] <christel> haha
[17:50] <Dave2> christel, I AM ABOUT TO COOK HERMAN
[17:51] <nja> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sour-Cherry-Studios/254050217991937 is the link if anyone is interested.  I suck at facebook page owning.
[17:52] <christel> Dave2: OH MY GOD THIS MAKES ME SO EXCITED
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[17:52] <nja> WE love Workin SO MUCH!
[17:52] <christel> Dave2: i cant wait to try your hermen! ;)
[17:53] <nja> OH, I thought you typed German
[17:53] <nja> oops
[17:53] <christel> hahaha i should hope he's not cooking any germans!
[17:53] <nja> I think I can hear them in his frying pan
[17:54] <christel> screaming :(
[17:54] <Dave2> I need to decide what's a sensible time for getting there
[17:54] <nja> Olympic Open Ceremony Tonight!
[17:55] <nja> What's the Olympics again?
[17:55] <christel> Dave2: 7am!
[17:56] <christel> Alan would Appreciate that!
[17:56] <nja> Ha
[17:56] <nja> It's a bit far for me to travel :(
[17:57] <Pendulum> christel: because of time difference g+ tells me it starts at 7AM
[17:57] <nja> Supper time for me now
[17:57] <nja> Enjoy your fried Germans.
[17:57] <christel> Pendulum: PERFECT!
[17:58] <christel> i do love an early start! ;)
[18:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: I am now a fellow 407 sw owner :)
[18:02] <JamesTait> Right-oh, time for me to call it a week.
[18:02] <JamesTait> 'night all, have a great weekend!
[18:02]  * JamesTait waves
[18:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: good show :)
[18:05] <alexcockell> BBC coverage of the buildup started...
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> long Benedict Cumberbatch monologue earlier
[18:16] <christel> JamesTait: \o have fun m'dear
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> Dizzee Rascal now?
[18:23] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: monologue?
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: he was talking to himself for 5 minutes
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: I call that a monologue ;)
[18:39] <nja> How were the Germans?
[18:39] <Azelphur> oh wow, xrandr scaling is awesome
[18:39] <Azelphur> running my netbook at 1080p, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/July/IMG_20120727_193247.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/July/IMG_20120727_193503.jpg
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: orly :P
[18:39] <Azelphur> :D
[18:40] <nja> Wow
[18:40] <popey> http://img.izismile.com/img/img5/20120705/1000/classic_msdos_video_games_26.jpg
[18:42] <Dave2> christel, there's no such thing as 7AM
[18:42] <Dave2> everybody knows that
[18:43] <Azelphur> Dave2++
[18:43] <popey> +1
[18:43] <popey> also hello dave2
[18:43] <Dave2> y helo thar
[18:44] <jarifle> sup peeps
[18:44] <nja> Hi Jari
[18:44] <jarifle> hy bugeer
[18:44] <jarifle> bugger
[18:45] <jarifle> windows is AMAZING
[18:45]  * nja facepalms
[18:45] <jarifle> windows is AMAZING
[18:45] <jarifle> windows is AMAZING
[18:45] <jarifle> windows is AMAZING
[18:45] <nja> wrong channel
[18:45] <jarifle> windows is AMAZING
[18:45] <Azelphur> !ops
[18:45] <jarifle> lol
[18:45] <nja> #fanboism is the next block along
[18:50] <Seeker`> bah, seconds too late
[18:50] <popey> heh
[18:50] <popey> me too
[18:51] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:51] <nja> @Seeker` for what?
[18:51] <popey> i propose Azelphur is made op
[18:51] <Azelphur> oO
[18:51] <nja> I propose nja is made op
[18:51] <nja> wait what?]
[18:51] <Seeker`> popey: As long as he promises not to torture any more arduinos, sure
[18:51] <Seeker`> :P
[18:51] <Azelphur> no guarentees, I like torturing arduinos
[18:52] <nja> Arduino Murderer!
[18:52] <popey> in the last few times an ops call has been made, its been by Azelphur iirc
[18:52] <Azelphur> xD
[18:52] <Azelphur> I'm happy to be an op if you guys want me :)
[18:52] <popey> it makes sense given you see abuse first
[18:52] <nja> nja for President
[18:53] <Seeker`> nja: you spelt 'popey' wrong
[18:53] <popey> nja for popey ?
[18:53] <Azelphur> popey: it's my tiling setup that does it, because I have an overview of most of the channels I'm on at any one point, I can very quickly pick up on channel attacks
[18:53] <Seeker`> popey: yus
[18:53] <popey> Azelphur, indeed, i had that in mind when i was thinking it :)
[18:53] <nja> Peeps, stop distracting me from my programming
[18:53] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:54] <Seeker`> Azelphur: what you actually mean is that its because you spend more time than is healthy on irc :P
[18:54] <popey> pffft
[18:54] <Azelphur> that too :D
[18:54] <popey> healthy smelthy
[18:54] <nja> @Seeker` +1
[18:54] <Azelphur> hey, I'm going to go outside tomorrow
[18:54]  * Azelphur grimmaces
[18:54] <popey> Nooooooooooooooooo
[18:55] <Seeker`> me too
[18:55] <popey> the big blue room will explode
[18:55] <Azelphur> xD
[18:55] <popey> i am going to AlanBell's house with my meat
[18:55] <Seeker`> I've been layering sunblock on all week in preparation
[18:55] <popey> if I ask nicely maybe AlanBell will baste my meat while friends watch
[18:55] <nja> It's supposedly 26C in this room.  Eurgh, both windows open and fan at max :(
[18:56] <Seeker`> popey: you want people to chew on your meat?
[18:56] <popey> i want them to enjoy my meat inside them, yes
[18:56] <Azelphur> will it be a pleasurable BBQ?
[18:56] <popey> in fact I may bring a container of my juice which they can smear on my meat before they devour it
[18:56] <nja> credits += kittens.getCreditGain();
[18:57] <nja> sorry, I have a thing where I sometimes post code snippets in chat.
[18:57] <Seeker`> did you make the juice yourself?
[18:58] <popey> i did indeed!
[18:58] <popey> i mixed it up in a jar
[18:58] <popey> its very sticky
[18:58] <soreau> Azelphur: it will be an omgwtfbbq for sure
[18:58] <Azelphur> :P
[18:58] <Azelphur> soreau: I found xrandr scaling, I'm having fun
[18:58] <soreau> Azelphur: oh neat
[18:58] <Seeker`> Azelphur: where are you going tomorrow?
[18:58] <Azelphur> Seeker`: cousins wedding
[18:58] <Seeker`> :O
[18:59] <Azelphur> Seeker`: you can just tell it's gonna be crazy with my family lol
[18:59] <nja> Now playing Spotify playlist: "WHY DO I LISTEN TO THIS!"
[18:59] <popey> soreau, you coming to the bbq?
[18:59] <nja> Pretty much chart stuff
[18:59] <popey> heh, i have one of those
[18:59] <popey> it's my starred list :S
[19:00] <soreau> popey: nah, I'm stuck in .us
[19:00] <Azelphur> Seeker`: we've got 3 people with busted cars, one person who plans to pick up cloths for the wedding on the morning of the wedding, and the Olympics starting so heavy traffic, sounds like the perfect storm xD
[19:00] <popey> ah
[19:00] <Seeker`> Azelphur: where have you got to get to?
[19:00] <Azelphur> Margate -> Dartford
[19:00] <Azelphur> I'm just gonna use a coach
[19:00] <Seeker`> heh
[19:00] <Seeker`> I;ve gotta get in to London tomorrow
[19:00] <Seeker`> gonna be fun
[19:01] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:01] <soreau> popey: but just for the record, I don't claim to be american no matter what my birth certificate says :P
[19:01] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:01] <Azelphur> soreau: British American :P
[19:01] <AlanBell> popey: your meat will be safe in my hands
[19:02] <AlanBell> everyone watching the olympic ceremony stuff?
[19:02] <Azelphur> I'mma try pushing my 1080p desktop monitors up to 1440p, if this looks good, I could be a happy panda.
[19:02] <soreau> popey: AlanBell: You must live stream the meat basting marathon
[19:02] <Seeker`> Azelphur: erm
[19:03] <Seeker`> erm
[19:03] <Seeker`> erm
[19:03] <Seeker`> how?
[19:03] <popey> AlanBell, you there?
[19:03] <AlanBell> soreau: yeah, I think I will
[19:03] <ali1234> ERM
[19:03] <soreau> but really, will there be any live stream of olympics other than nbc?
[19:03] <AlanBell> Pendulum: found a stream somewhere
[19:03] <Azelphur> Seeker`: xrandr scaling :D
[19:03] <ali1234> i could live stream 1 channel for one person, in a blatant infringement of copyright
[19:03] <Seeker`> itll just be a downsampled image then?
[19:03] <popey> i wonder if AlanBell is on his phone
[19:03] <AlanBell> Azelphur: I would doubt pushing things beyond native will help
[19:04] <AlanBell> popey: on laptop in front of the telly
[19:04] <popey> ah
[19:04] <AlanBell> just been making ice lollies
[19:04] <popey> ribs are super tasty
[19:04] <Pendulum> soreau: will PM you details
[19:04] <Azelphur> Seeker`: yea
[19:04] <soreau> Pendulum: cool, thanks
[19:05] <Azelphur> hmm, this is odd
[19:05] <Azelphur> xrandr says I only have two monitors connected
[19:05] <Azelphur> oh I see it's only showing screen 0
[19:09] <Azelphur> lol I scaled it up, end result is just some black bar at the bottom of the screen
[19:09] <Azelphur> it's weird though I can move my mouse there just not windows
[19:10] <Azelphur> oh of course I know why, fakexinerama
[19:10] <popey> xrandr offers me 8 devices :)
[19:10] <popey> on a laptop :)
[19:10] <nja> Health bars - Fun Stuff
[19:11] <AlanBell> 20:12!
[19:12] <bigcalm> You said that at 20:11
[19:12]  * Flashtek waits for 20:12 20/12/2012
[19:12] <jacobw> :)
[19:12] <jacobw> quite a while to go yet
[19:13] <Flashtek> ya
[19:13] <nja> If Earth was to explode.  Think of the guys at the ISS.
[19:14] <Flashtek> "OMGWTFBBQ!!!!"
[19:15] <Flashtek> "uhh.. Huston, I think we have a problem..."
[19:15] <Flashtek> "Huston.. oh, wait..."
[19:18] <alexcockell> As long as the fireworks don't cause the Rapier batteries to engage them...
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> alexcockell: "Oops"
[19:21] <alexcockell> Well- that WAS mentioned in Twenty Twelve...
[19:21] <christel> haha
[19:22] <christel> bigcalm: i think we should club together to get him a clock!
[19:25]  * AlanBell blames the red arrows for any timing inconsistency
[19:25] <christel> hehe
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: why? were they off?
[19:25] <christel> we're also watching the olympics foreplay, david was most excited by the red arrows :)
[19:25] <AlanBell> no, don't think so
[19:27]  * bigcalm is still working
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> if Jake's at the Olympics.. Lee will be doing the F1 coverage?
[19:28] <christel> bigcalm: its nearly 8.30 on a friday evening.. wrap up work and watch the olympics opening ceremony!
[19:29]  * MartijnVdS wants David Tennant to do some torch relaying
[19:30] <bigcalm> It won't happen :)
[19:30]  * bigcalm is Mr Killjoy
[19:32] <bigcalm> The Cure - Love Island
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you should have exported Doctor Who more, so the rest of the world would have known about it ;)
[19:32] <bigcalm> Strangely up-beat sounding track by The Cure :)
[19:32] <nja> Good night all
[19:32] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: sorry :(
[19:32] <nja> Still tired from plane journet last night and 00:00
[19:33] <nja> *at
[19:33] <nja> bye
[19:34] <bigcalm> Hurrah!
[19:36]  * daubers ponders either fire + whiskey or a bath
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> why not zoidberg?
[19:41] <jacobw> fire?
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> firewhiskey?
[19:42] <daubers> garden + chimenea + fire = much relaxing
[19:42] <jacobw> :)
[19:46]  * Azelphur sets mode +o Azelphur
[19:46]  * Azelphur runs
[19:46] <bigcalm> o.O
[19:46] <Azelphur> fun :D
[19:47] <Azelphur> my 9.8 seconds of fame
[19:55] <AlanBell> maypole dancing :)
[19:57] <popey> lol weather report
[19:57] <AlanBell> the shipping forecast
[19:57] <popey> yeah
[19:57] <popey> that alone makes me more nostalgic than anything else :)
[19:57] <Azelphur> this kid wants to build a computer, what should I tell him? http://pastebin.com/qbjAbX3L
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> also.. shouldn't Proms be done at RAH 8-)
[19:58] <AlanBell> every seat has 9 pixels, the whole stadium is a jumbo screen
[19:58] <alexcockell> LOL-  this is Nimrod with the Shipping Forecast 8-D
[19:58] <popey> way past sophies bed time
[19:59] <ali1234> Azelphur: tell him to buy a mac, that's what i do
[20:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: lol
[20:01] <ali1234> hmm
[20:02] <ali1234> if i select a bunch of items from SQL... how can i select this item, and also the previous and next items?
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that's a bit hard
[20:03] <ali1234> of course :)
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> turd de france?
[20:03] <ali1234> if it was easy i wouldn't need to ask :)
[20:04] <christel> good sideburns
[20:04]  * christel nods
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: you'd have to select the rows you want.. then put that in a subselect twice to select the surrounding ones
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> also
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> "order" is on-output of course
[20:05] <ali1234> i could just return the entire query and then get the items i need with a for loop, but that sucks obviously
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> I'd ask stackoverflow :)
[20:06] <ali1234> problem is i don't have a way to get the position of an item in the list
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> that's because ordering is the last thing done on output
[20:07] <AlanBell> is the obvious but inelegant for loop actually a functional problem?
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> but.. elegance!
[20:08] <AlanBell> but . . . fix actual problems
[20:08] <ali1234> a functional problem?
[20:08] <ali1234> it makes wordpress go super slow f that's what you mean :)
[20:08] <AlanBell> does it cause a detectable delay
[20:08] <AlanBell> ok, so yes then
[20:09] <ali1234> maybe it doesn't actually... every page already does it once to make the menu
[20:09] <ali1234> see http://dev.drumoff.tv/?v=209
[20:10] <ali1234> 3 videos... those >> and << have to link to the previous/next videos
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> what about storing prev/next as extra columns
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> moving the hard work to insert/update time
[20:10] <ali1234> yeah, not a bad idea
[20:12] <AlanBell> tidy up time ;)
[20:14] <popey> suitably bonkers
[20:15] <DJones> Evening
[20:15] <mattt> bonkers?
[20:15] <mattt> someone talking about the olympic opening?
[20:15] <popey> ya
[20:15] <mattt> bloody weird
[20:15] <SuperEngineer> This folks. is how one does an opening ceremony for several millions less than the last one - hope it doesn't show ;)
[20:15] <mattt> is how i'd describe it :)
[20:16] <popey> its just different
[20:16] <popey> different culture and history
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> holyy
[20:16] <mattt> it's very interesting
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> well it's quite a busy one :)
[20:16] <mattt> love the history component
[20:18] <christel> mattt: i was a tad underwhelmed but i am starting to enjoy it now :)
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> ah yes.. beatles
[20:19] <AlanBell> christel: it is only just getting warmed up
[20:19] <Seeker`> still got about 3 hours left, hasn't it?
[20:19] <christel> AlanBell: so i see ;)
[20:19] <AlanBell> nobody else smelts steel on stage like that ;)
[20:20] <christel> hehe
[20:20] <Pendulum> I actually like how rather than trying to "outdo" the last few opening ceremonies, it really is taking a very different approach
[20:20] <AlanBell> gosh what a nice round circle that is in the middle
[20:20] <Seeker`> wonder what will come out of the middle
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> olympic rings
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> or the logo
[20:21] <ali1234> does php array [] support -1 for "last item in list"
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: reddit.com/r/lolphp
[20:21] <AlanBell> Pendulum: yeah, thats what I like about it, lots going on, lots a bit unscripted and random, and overall rather british and ecentric
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: olympic rings :)
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> dancing men in top hats look weird though
[20:22] <AlanBell> hats++
[20:22] <Seeker`> MartijnVdS: singular :P
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: ok but the other ones were magiced in
[20:23] <mattt> that is cool
[20:23] <AlanBell> well that is the intro done
[20:23] <Seeker`> very prettu
[20:23] <Seeker`> *pretty
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> one sparkler isn't done yet
[20:24] <Seeker`> heh
[20:24] <Seeker`> 2 started early
[20:24] <christel> AlanBell: how does this compare with in the flesh? :)
[20:24] <AlanBell> christel: my telly doesn't go loud enough
[20:24] <christel> hehe
[20:24] <AlanBell> and I put the sub and speakers in the other room for the BBQ tomorrow
[20:24] <christel> mmmbbq
[20:25] <popey> stephen fry?
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> yeah, I'd have come but a boat trip would be €500 and I don't think there's a place to sleep left in the south east
[20:25] <popey> ah, bond
[20:26] <popey> BONKERS
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: nah  Dizzee Rascal was HOURS ago ;)
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> but I agree, this is strangely weird :)
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> or is it weirdly strange
[20:27] <DJones> Is this where the queen swoops across the olympic stadium to the Ride of the Valkeries music
[20:27] <AlanBell> ooh I recognise the underside of that helicopter I think
[20:28] <AlanBell> maybe she is going to fast rope down to her seat
[20:28] <DJones> Hmmh, AlanBell is a landing pad
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[20:28] <jacobw> lol @ lolphp
[20:28] <Azelphur> Oh god, I just saw this hilarious conversation between a VPS host and a customer, http://pastebin.com/pqSpBUk5
[20:29] <Azelphur> greatest IRC comedy ever
[20:29] <AlanBell> bonkers!!!
[20:29] <popey> lol
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> completely insane
[20:30] <AlanBell> it hovered over the stadium on wednesday but the queen stayed inside
[20:31] <popey> why french first?
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> Because French
[20:31] <popey> outrage
[20:31] <Seeker`> popey: the french are slow, takes them longer to get it
[20:31] <SuperEngineer> Yea Gads!  That brooch on her Maj is an Ubuntu circle of friends.....
[20:31] <popey> haha
[20:31] <christel> hahaha
[20:32] <DJones> Have they got the right flag?
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> The French are taking back England
[20:32] <AlanBell> now will they leave the flag at half mast this time, that is the question
[20:32] <SuperEngineer> oh well G4S late again... here comes the army to take their place!
[20:32] <Seeker`> AlanBell: ?
[20:32] <popey> no because she's in residence
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> Chaos signing choir?
[20:33] <popey> fail
[20:33] <popey> not showing the signing choir
[20:33] <popey> nice that they're in jimmy jams
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> stern look from the queen
[20:34] <DJones> Somebody tell her to smile
[20:34] <Seeker`> she looks more impressed than she did at the jubilee
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> Tubular bells?
[20:34] <DJones> Yep
[20:34] <popey> lol
[20:34] <AlanBell> this bit rocks
[20:35] <Seeker`> elrbjsebhew;lbje MIKE OLDFIELD elrels;ljesbj esr NHS
[20:35] <jacobw> where can watch?
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: BBC One?
[20:35] <popey> Seeker`, i thought that
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: ZDF?
[20:35] <DJones> Thats where my wife is, she's supposed to be at a hen party
[20:35] <Seeker`> :O live tubular bells?
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: ZDF (HD) is doing the ceremony
[20:36] <Myrtti> AlanBell: were sitting at a service station in somewhere close A21, engine boiled at Dartmoor bridge and according to RAC the engine might be done for. were getting a tow back home, sorry it didnt work out :-(
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: if you can't get _that_ in Germany..
[20:36] <AlanBell> oh Myrtti, sorry you can't make it
[20:36] <AlanBell> hugs for Myrtti
[20:36] <czajkowski> Myrtti: *hugs* so close
[20:36] <Seeker`> poorMyrtti
[20:37] <jacobw> zdf ftw :)
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: too bad it's in german :P
[20:37] <christel> i want a bed trampoline!
[20:37] <jacobw> what
[20:37] <jacobw> NHS?
[20:37] <popey> ubuntu orange and aubergine
[20:37] <jacobw> huh?
[20:37] <Seeker`> christel: me too
[20:38] <Seeker`> jacobw: you don't know what the NHS is?
[20:38] <christel> :D
[20:38]  * AlanBell has a trampoline
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: they probably sponsor the doping
[20:38] <Seeker`> christel: with a glowing bowl?
[20:38] <Seeker`> wtf did  I say bowl for
[20:38] <popey> i want a glowing duvet
[20:38] <Seeker`> blanket
[20:38] <christel> AlanBell: i know.. but i am not sure you'd want me sleeping in it! ;)
[20:38] <christel> Seeker`: yes :D
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> heh  https://twitter.com/ladychatterley/status/228952541017284608
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> They see her Rowling, they hating?
[20:40] <christel> haha
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> Those could be Doctor Who baddies 8-)
[20:42] <Seeker`> commentators need to shut up
[20:42] <Seeker`> their mics create echo
[20:42] <AlanBell> Seeker`: agreed
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: switch to the alternate HD channel (one of the 24 HD streams on FreeSat)
[20:43] <Seeker`> which one?
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> most of them?
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> BBC Olympics 1 HD"
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> works for me
[20:45] <SuperEngineer> commentator at BBC for ceremony said "I really like the use of children in the opening ceremony so far"!!!! GetThePolice
[20:45] <AlanBell> won't somebody think of the children
[20:46] <AlanBell> it is good seeing stuff from above
[20:46] <jacobw> when is god save the queen coming?
[20:46]  * jacobw waits
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: some children just sang i
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> t
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> and signed it
[20:47] <Seeker`> MartijnVdS: don't have that one in my listing for some reason :(
[20:47] <jacobw> oh
[20:47] <Seeker`> starts at 4 for me
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: it might show up as a red button channel for you
[20:47] <Seeker`> yeah, trying to load it now
[20:47] <Seeker`> 'please wait...'
[20:47] <SuperEngineer> WEEE Mr Bean!
[20:47] <AlanBell> mr bean!
[20:47] <DJones> jacobw: Maybe they'll play it again at the end with a Tupak style 3D hologram of The Sex Pistols
[20:48] <jacobw> hehe
[20:48] <christel> itym blackadder!
[20:48] <christel> ;)
[20:48] <DJones> Brillant facial expressions
[20:48] <soreau> lmao, Mr. Bean
[20:48]  * MartijnVdS watches Rowan Atkinson's Twitter feed
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> (does he have one?)
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> Matt Smith!?
[20:51] <SuperEngineer> i WONDER WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD MAKES OF THIS BIT ;)
[20:51] <AlanBell> brilliant!!
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: the rest of the world thinks it's just another Mr Bean sketch
[20:51] <popey> yay fart gag
[20:51] <SuperEngineer> [sorry for shouting]
[20:51] <AlanBell> this was a placeholder, they just played the fart for no apparent reason
[20:53] <AlanBell> need more loud
[20:54] <jacobw> i saw a talk by micheal fish a few years ago
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> 80s music!
[20:54] <jacobw> i think he won't be amused
[20:54] <DJones> If they're doing British digital age, when do they do the a Big Bother sections
[20:54] <christel> hehe
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> txt spk
[20:56] <jacobw> i don't even want to know who these people are
[20:56] <Seeker`> london underground....those lazy...
[20:57] <SuperEngineer> The sad thing is: all those performers actually believe they're *promoting* GB - oh well.
[20:57] <jacobw> are they?
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> Dalek girls?
[20:57] <jacobw> :)
[20:57] <DJones> Lamp shades
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Daleks.
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> Better than G4S :P
[20:57] <DJones> No rubber plunger
[21:00] <AlanBell> a little bohemian rhapsody I think ;)
[21:00] <AlanBell> good call
[21:00] <jacobw> i'm finding imaging the reaction of prince phillip to everything amusing
[21:00] <AlanBell> tardis!
[21:00] <Seeker`> TARDIS
[21:01] <DJones> :)
[21:02] <jacobw> ha, sex pistols inclusion
[21:03] <DJones> This reminds me of being a student
[21:04] <soreau> heh, prodigy
[21:04] <popey> LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER! Welcome to Britain!
[21:06] <Seeker`> wb popey
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: BONKERS
[21:06] <Laney> when will flash learn to inhibit the screensaver :(
[21:06] <Seeker`> get slightly overexcited?
[21:06] <SuperEngineer> is popey buying?
[21:07] <popey> got that battery beep that meant I had to run and get a charger
[21:07] <popey> Laney, I AGREE!
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: olympic record?
[21:07] <Laney> i think the answer is "never"
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> Laney: flash is dying isn't it?
[21:08] <Laney> we can hope
[21:08] <AlanBell> yay
[21:08] <popey> LOL!
[21:08] <popey> TBL
[21:08] <Seeker`> TBL!
[21:08] <Seeker`> woo
[21:08] <christel> awesome
[21:08] <AlanBell> Tim Berners Lee
[21:08] <DJones> How long before "NOW This Is What You Call Olympic Opening Cermony" music is released
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> DJones: donkers.wav
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> b*
[21:09] <popey> lol
[21:09] <DJones> Heh
[21:09] <popey> DJones, tomorrow
[21:09] <DJones> Midnight :)
[21:09] <SuperEngineer> Welcome Tim SuperEngineer bows
[21:13] <popey> https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/228960085672599552
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> Stern queen is stern.
[21:28] <DJones> Anybody seen the Greek flag on ebay yet?
[21:31] <AlanBell> nice hats
[21:41] <popey> lol PSB
[21:44] <mattt> alright i'm done
[21:44] <mattt> that's enough ceremony for me
[21:44] <AlanBell> flame to go yet
[21:45] <popey> we're only up to c so far!
[21:47] <AlanBell> and it is in the order of the language of the host nation so they should be in the sequence we would expect
[21:47] <AlanBell> nice wellies czech
[21:48] <AlanBell> and brollies
[21:48] <SuperEngineer> SuperEngineer is praying for a either a time warp or at power cut at the stadium... getting boring now
[21:49] <SuperEngineer> ..they're atheletes - can't they go any faster????
[21:49] <popey> beautify danish people
[21:51] <AlanBell> so what did everyone think of the show?
[21:52] <alexcockell> Not too bad - but they did jump about a bit in the music chronology
[21:52] <mattt> eritrea?
[21:52] <mattt> i need to read more books
[21:56] <pjs_> hi, does anyone know if there is a straightforward way to perform a low level format from the ubuntu live cd?
[21:56] <SuperEngineer> 'm frightened now. Just seen Michael Jackson carrying on of the flags!
[21:56] <alexcockell> And BeeGees playing out...
[21:57] <alexcockell> Good thing I'm recording this.
[21:58] <yothsoggoth> pjs_: Have you tried using gParted?
[21:59] <yothsoggoth> That's the most straightforward way you'll find probably
[22:00] <pjs_> yothsoggoth: gparted only offers the minimally destructive formatting options, what I'm wanting is to nuke the drive before I throw it away
[22:00] <popey> you probably dont want low level format
[22:00] <popey> it doesnt do what you think it does
[22:00] <AlanBell> you probably want to use dd to write zeros or random
[22:00] <popey> it's sufficient to just sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
[22:00] <pjs_> ah, cheers
[22:01] <popey> where /dev/sda is the right device :)
[22:01] <mattt> lol
[22:02] <AlanBell> gamesmaker holding the flag
[22:02] <AlanBell> I get that uniform
[22:03] <AlanBell> cheer up queenie
[22:03] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "those people used to be part of our empire"
[22:03] <MartijnVdS> "and those"
[22:03] <MartijnVdS> "and those"
[22:03] <mattt> "but could be worse, we could be holland."
[22:04] <MartijnVdS> mattt: hah. the Dutch antilles athletes are under the "independent athletes" flag
[22:04] <mattt> MartijnVdS: why is that ?
[22:04] <MartijnVdS> They became more independent last year
[22:04] <MartijnVdS> so I think there hasn't been enough time to get together a proper olympic body
[22:06] <mattt> ah, i see
[22:06] <AlanBell> ah Bolt is using the holster :(
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> the Dutch olympic people offered, but they refused
[22:06] <AlanBell> wuss!
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "he's 95% fit"
[22:07] <AlanBell> Borat!
[22:07] <mattt> booorat!
[22:07] <mattt> hahah
[22:08] <MartijnVdS> well? can ya?
[22:08] <AlanBell> comentators carfully not saying anything about Borat
[22:08] <jacobw> poor nation :(
[22:09] <AlanBell> http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/borat-national-anthem-accidentally-played-kazakh-athlete-video-224008124.html
[22:10] <AlanBell> the drummers are holding up well
[22:10] <MartijnVdS> "y" isn't a vowel in English?
[22:10] <AlanBell> it is in Welsh
[22:10] <MartijnVdS> it's one in Dutch :)
[22:10] <MartijnVdS> (usually)
[22:11] <mattt> hahaha
[22:11] <mattt> that link is terrible
[22:12] <livingdaylight> hi
[22:14] <popey> i like how the olympic lanyards are in Ubuntu and Canonical colours
[22:14] <livingdaylight> sudo add-apt-respository ppa: <package_name> is command line for adding ppa's? How do I adapt this : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/pinta-maintainers/pinta-stable/ubuntu precise main  , please? Is it simply: sudo add-apt-repository ppa: pinta ?
[22:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: You have that much influence now? 8-)
[22:15] <popey> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pinta-maintainers/pinta-stabl
[22:15] <popey> +e
[22:15] <popey> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pinta-maintainers/pinta-stable
[22:15] <livingdaylight> I see, thx popey
[22:16] <popey> launchpad
[22:16] <popey> bah
[22:16] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~pinta-maintainers/+archive/pinta-stable
[22:16] <popey> "You can update your system with unsupported packages from this untrusted PPA by adding ppa:pinta-maintainers/pinta-stable to your system's Software Sources."
[22:16] <MartijnVdS> what's pinta?
[22:16] <livingdaylight> how do we know to trust or not ppa's ?
[22:17] <MartijnVdS> you don't trust them.
[22:17] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/SupportersGuide
[22:17] <AlanBell> look at the people who run the PPA and how they describe it
[22:18] <AlanBell> there is a bit down the bottom of that link about software sources and trust/quality
[22:21] <MartijnVdS> woo
[22:21] <popey> \o/
[22:21] <popey> *\o/* even
[22:21] <livingdaylight> thanks AlanBell
[22:21] <popey> more pretty people
[22:21] <MartijnVdS> orangeness!
[22:22] <mattt> MartijnVdS: i shed a tear for you, as your team walked past
[22:23] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[22:23] <MartijnVdS> oh man
[22:24] <popey> \o/ ELO
[22:25] <popey> BPM increased a bit now.. SPEED UP GUYS! :D
[22:25] <MartijnVdS> "WE'RE BEHIND SCHEDULE"
[22:25] <MartijnVdS> you can sometimes see the guy at the bottom of the screen :)
[22:25] <Azelphur> I wonder if this site is legit or not, this is a damned good monitor for the price http://www.creativepeter.com/achieva-shimian-qh270-ipsb-2560-x-1440-27-monitor-black.html?currency=GBP
[22:26] <MartijnVdS> Why did they skip La-la land?
[22:33] <AlanBell> I like Senegal
[22:36] <livingdaylight> didn't know one could enter as an independent. Imagine EVERYONE did that?! :o that'd be cool
[22:36] <AlanBell> only a few do that
[22:37] <MartijnVdS> the biggest spaniard ever
[22:38] <AlanBell> wow, he is a big lad
[22:38] <livingdaylight> also basketball player?
[22:38] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[22:38] <MartijnVdS> pink wig..
[22:38] <AlanBell> pink hair, nice
[22:39] <AlanBell> sri lanka, I get lots of emails from there requesting free Ubuntu CDs
[22:40] <MartijnVdS> lots of Surinamese people
[22:40] <livingdaylight> going to see usa vs france on sunday. don't know that france are known for basketball.. looking forward to it
[22:40] <christel> dont mock pink hair..
[22:41] <AlanBell> christel: we were admiring it
[22:41] <christel> :p
[22:41] <livingdaylight> I like how they wave up to the dictoators in the gallery seats
[22:41] <christel> you'd all look dashing in pink i'm sure!
[22:41] <MartijnVdS> "At least we're not being killed by our government" - Syrians
[22:42] <MartijnVdS> nice suit colours
[22:44] <AlanBell> USA soon
[22:48] <MartijnVdS> nice moustaches
[22:48] <livingdaylight> those little flags on cocktail sticks are hilarious. Do they go straight into the bin after?
[22:49] <AlanBell> they look like flight attendants
[22:49] <livingdaylight> usa looks aweful ... military look with the hats
[22:49] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: this is an invasion
[22:49] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: from tomorrow on, you need to speak proper American
[22:49] <livingdaylight> spotted samuel jackson!
[22:51] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS, yeeehaaahh!
[22:51] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS, how am I doing?
[22:51] <MartijnVdS> improving
[22:53] <livingdaylight> is torture an olympic sport?
[22:53] <AlanBell> only the 200m waterboarding competition
[22:53] <Azelphur> IRC should be an olympic sport
[22:54] <livingdaylight> lol
[22:54] <Azelphur> I could win the gold
[22:54] <AlanBell> team GB \o/
[22:54] <AlanBell> one hand, no holster
[22:54] <AlanBell> go Chris Hoy
[22:55] <livingdaylight> gold panels
[22:55] <MartijnVdS> bored queen
[22:56] <AlanBell> checking her nails!
[22:56] <MartijnVdS> for when she needs to claw out someone's eyes?
[22:56] <livingdaylight> "queen looks on proudly, I'm sure" no, she didn't, lol
[22:56] <livingdaylight> lol
[22:57] <ali1234> is slashdot broken?
[22:57] <jacobw> yes
[22:58] <ali1234> i get 404 on the front page
[22:58] <AlanBell> wfm
[22:58] <jacobw> oh you mean today? or in general :P
[22:58] <jacobw> i can load it
[22:58] <MartijnVdS> Galvanize again?
[22:58] <MartijnVdS> Their tape ran out and is back at the beginning
[23:01] <MartijnVdS> it's no 'Barcelona'..
[23:02] <AlanBell> hmm, not sure about the band selection for this bit
[23:02] <jacobw> me neither
[23:02] <livingdaylight>   pretty shit choice of music
[23:02] <jacobw> it's not even a good performance
[23:02] <MartijnVdS> they need to wake up the queen
[23:03] <popey> i like it :)
[23:03] <AlanBell> woah, sweet
[23:04] <Seeker`> I WANT MY OWN BIRDMAN ARMY
[23:04] <AlanBell> hahah
[23:04] <popey> boris bikes? :)
[23:04] <ali1234> i have no idea what's going on but it sounds crazy
[23:04] <AlanBell> no, because they are sponsored by Barclays
[23:04] <MartijnVdS> my brother said they brought Dutch "OV-fietsen" to London
[23:04] <jacobw> haha
[23:04] <MartijnVdS> yellow/blue public transport bikes
[23:04] <alexcockell> Ouch - they're flat.
[23:05] <livingdaylight> beckham must have arrived on his speedboat by now?
[23:05] <MartijnVdS> http://www.ov-fiets.nl/
[23:05] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: yeah but he's doing his hair
[23:05] <JanC> hey, I think one day, doves were an olympic discipline...  ;-)
[23:05] <AlanBell> livingdaylight: think he got lost
[23:06] <AlanBell> E.T. \o/
[23:06] <Seeker`> ITS ET
[23:06] <popey> he was held up outside by some silly cyclists
[23:06] <livingdaylight> rofmao
[23:06] <popey> http://occupylondon.org.uk/events/july-critical-mass-london-2012-olympic-special
[23:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.ov-fiets.nl/
[23:06] <popey> sweet
[23:06] <MartijnVdS> stutter
[23:08] <MartijnVdS> https://twitter.com/ProfBrianCox/status/228990170089795585
[23:10] <AlanBell> https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/228987806393978881
[23:10] <MartijnVdS> :)
[23:11] <livingdaylight> "Give one some sodding warning when the camera is coming, for Christ's sake. " lol
[23:11] <livingdaylight> jack Rogue?
[23:11] <MartijnVdS> Rogge
[23:12] <livingdaylight> nah, rogue lol
[23:12] <AlanBell> Jacques Rogge
[23:12] <Seeker`> http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/376968_381440871922332_292658134_n.jpg
[23:12] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: EXTERMINATE
[23:12] <livingdaylight> mr rogue speaks a bit like the pope
[23:14] <JanC> hey, he says that for the first time all teams have women included
[23:15] <JanC> that's nice!
[23:15] <MartijnVdS> even the one-member team?
[23:15] <JanC> maybe (I didn't double-check)
[23:16] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: I think it was carefully phrased, not sure it meant that every country at this games has a mixed team
[23:17] <Seeker`> something like every country has had a female competitor
[23:17] <AlanBell> good news though, whatever the precise phrase was
[23:17] <livingdaylight> the saudi woman were practically in burka, but nonetheless progress is progress
[23:18] <livingdaylight> why can the queen never say anything without reading it?
[23:18] <AlanBell> good job she had a script to read from
[23:19] <Seeker`> AlanBell: yeah, that could have gone horribly wrong!
[23:19] <JanC> most people would have long retired before reaching her age  ;)
[23:19] <Seeker`> she might have declared war on the moon without it :P
[23:20] <AlanBell> yay shami
[23:21] <AlanBell> wow
[23:21] <livingdaylight> that man is not an advert for boxing
[23:22] <Seeker`> he didn't look happy
[23:22] <JanC> MA doesn't look very healthy...  :-/
[23:22] <livingdaylight> they got to stop wheeling him out, jeez
[23:22] <AlanBell> yeah, he is in a sad state
[23:22] <MartijnVdS> years of special training.. to carry a flag up a slope
[23:23] <livingdaylight> what is this? Hamburger Hill?
[23:23] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: olympic anthem
[23:23] <MartijnVdS> or something
[23:23] <AlanBell> Glastonbury tor apparently
[23:23] <AlanBell> turn on the big fan thing!
[23:23] <MartijnVdS> Proms? Barenboim was there..
[23:24] <AlanBell> Beckham time
[23:24] <Seeker`> that took him a while
[23:24] <Seeker`> he's gained people
[23:24] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: london is big!
[23:24] <livingdaylight> picked up hitch hikers along the way
[23:24] <Seeker`> do you think he went on an epic adventure whie we were watching the restof the ceremony
[23:25] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: On blu-ray next month
[23:28] <livingdaylight> are judges and referees not allowed to take dope either? aww...
[23:28] <MartijnVdS> the men speak better English than the woman
[23:28] <MartijnVdS> pronunciation-wise
[23:28] <livingdaylight> olympism?
[23:28] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: it's a disease. Dope is the cure
[23:34] <popey> haha, bloke scooting off on a segway
[23:34] <ali1234> is it over yet?
[23:34] <popey> nearly
[23:34] <popey> just about to light
[23:36] <MartijnVdS> and now they're cooking with gas?
[23:36] <livingdaylight> I like how they did that. A bunch of kids lighting together; makes a chanage from the usual one oldie fogey lighting it
[23:36] <livingdaylight> NIZZE]
[23:36] <AlanBell> that is nice!
[23:36] <Seeker`> wow
[23:37] <popey> pretty
[23:38] <livingdaylight> can hear and see sky light up from window, but can't see actual fireworks
[23:38] <MartijnVdS> London's burning?
[23:38] <AlanBell> macca
[23:39] <MartijnVdS> audio fial
[23:40] <Seeker`> has the lipsync track broken?
[23:40] <AlanBell> I think the audience started singing it
[23:40] <Seeker`> ah
[23:40] <AlanBell> was a bit confusing
[23:41] <MartijnVdS> now turn their mics off
[23:41] <MartijnVdS> just like a few weeks ago
[23:41] <AlanBell> that cauldron is the bestest ever
[23:41] <popey> how soon before you can buy your own olympic cauldron from ebay
[23:41] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: nah, Amsterdam has the best one (the first is always the best)
[23:41] <SuperEngineer> it was going so well... perhaps it's going to be a roast Macca barbecue flame!
[23:42] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Mecca barbecue? But it's ramadan!
[23:42] <Myrtti> I'm proper disappointed now.
[23:42] <Myrtti> (back in Cambridge, we'll watch the opening ceremony off the iPlayer tomorrow)
[23:42] <Myrtti> rather Cambridgeshire
[23:42] <Seeker`> :(
[23:42]  * AlanBell hugs Myrtti 
[23:42] <SuperEngineer> mercy killings are apparently ok if the meat is consumed for the benefit of all
[23:43] <Myrtti> oh well...
[23:43] <AlanBell> Myrtti: you are welcome to come round some other time
[23:43] <JanC> okay, time to leave the ceremony, I guess...   ;)
[23:43] <ali1234> is it over yet?
[23:43] <Myrtti> AlanBell: fortunately we didn't get any huge amounts of mushrooms and courgettes beforehand :-/
[23:46] <AlanBell> ali1234: it is now
[23:46] <ali1234> \o/
[23:54] <directhex> wat