/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/27/#ubuntu-za.txt

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* Kilos greets ubuntu-za05:23
Squirmmorning05:51
Kiloshi Squirm 05:51
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Kiloshi SmilyBorg 06:03
SmilyBorgHi there06:03
sakhiMorning, to all the Sys.Admins. Happy Sys.admin Day.06:24
* Kilos cries06:25
Kilosme  no sysadmin06:25
* Kilos greets sakhi 06:25
Kiloshi inetpro 07:04
sflrgood morning all! happy friday :)08:28
Kilosmorning sflr 08:28
Kilosinetpro, you awake yet?08:34
Kiloshi jrgns 09:42
jrgnshey Kilos09:42
Kiloswelcome to ubuntu-za09:42
jrgnsthnx09:42
Kilosfirst time here?09:42
jrgnsiirc, yes09:44
jrgnsi'm trying to get back onto irc09:44
jrgnsi've been neglecting it09:44
jrgnsseems a bit quiet :P09:44
Kilosguys are very busy at work but when someone has problems one of them will make time to help09:45
jrgnskewl09:47
jrgnswhat do you do that you have time to chat?09:47
Kilosare you using ubuntu jrgns 09:47
Kilos?09:47
jrgnsxubuntu at the mo09:48
Kilosah09:48
jrgnsunitiy is counter productive to my workflow09:49
Kilosoh my09:49
jrgnsyou?09:52
Kilosim still on maverick09:54
Kilos10.10 but will try unity next week sometime09:55
jrgnsfun and games09:58
jrgnsi'm using keyboard shortcuts leftover from my slackware days that uses the windows key09:59
jrgnsdoesn't work well with unity09:59
jrgnsbrb09:59
zeref_workhmmmm10:04
* inetpro streches his self10:17
inetproKilos: good day10:17
inetproMaaz: what's for lunch?10:17
Maazinetpro: Coffee should be enough...10:17
inetproeish!10:18
Kiloslol dag boetie10:18
inetprohe's stingy again!?10:18
nuvolario/10:18
nuvolarihi oom Kilos, oom inetpro 10:18
nuvolari:P10:18
Kiloslo nuvolari 10:18
inetproHappy SysAdmin Day to everyone!10:18
* nuvolari hol dat die stof spat10:18
jrgnshello inetpro10:19
nuvolariyeah... our sysadmin took leave today and guess what? our network goes haywire10:19
Kiloseish10:19
inetprohi jrgns10:20
inetprowb10:20
nuvolarioh hi jrgns 10:20
* nuvolari don't recall seeing jrgns before :P10:20
inetproahh... then welcome jrgns10:21
Kilosscroll back nuvolari and read his story10:21
inetproI thought that I'd seen him before10:21
Kilosanother non unity fan10:21
jrgnsinetpro: you know me from twitter / g+10:22
inetpromust have been on twitter and or floss.pro10:22
nuvolariwelcome to the anti-unity club10:22
inetproexactly :-)10:22
jrgnslol, how big's the club?10:22
nuvolarime, for one10:22
jrgnsschweet10:22
nuvolarinot sure about the rest10:22
jrgnswhat do you use?10:22
jrgnsor do you just use and hate it10:22
* inetpro goes on search for some food10:23
nuvolariooh! 10:23
nuvolarinice jrgns, I'm in the xubuntu club too10:23
nuvolari(normal ubuntu base, but I added xubuntu and use xfce)10:23
jrgnsschweet10:23
nuvolari4.1010:23
jrgnsi must say, it's much easier to get it working as i like it than it was with gnome10:23
jrgnsthat usually took me ages.10:24
nuvolariI like gnome3 though, but miles slower than xfce10:24
confluencyI've used Fluxbox since before Unity; I missed the Unity drama completely.10:26
nuvolariooh nice :> I used to use openbox, but configuring took just a bit too long :P10:27
nuvolariand then when I have loads of time again... I'll do xmonad10:27
nuvolariack, need to get back to work10:29
nuvolarichat to you all laterz10:29
jrgnscheers10:29
nuvolarihmm, what really would rock my boat is IRC in google+10:30
Kilosconfluency, havent you even tried unity?10:36
Kiloslater nuvolari have a good day10:37
confluencyI have, briefly.11:04
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Kilosah11:15
Trixar_zaHello Kilos11:16
Kiloshiya Trixar_za 11:16
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charlgood afternoon!12:01
charlMaaz: coffee on12:02
Kiloshi charl 12:02
* Maaz washes some mugs12:02
charlhi Kilos 12:02
KilosMaaz, coffee please12:02
MaazKilos: Alrighty12:02
charli just ate four museli buns and i am like "me gusta"12:02
charljust need some coffee now12:03
Kiloslol12:03
charlme mucho gusta12:03
MaazCoffee's ready for charl and Kilos!12:06
KilosMaaz, danke12:06
MaazBitteschön12:06
charlMaaz: thanks12:15
Maazcharl: Okay :-)12:15
charlsilent in here today, how's it going with you ballies12:39
inetprowow!12:43
inetproI see Firefox 15 is coming out with a built-in PDF viewer12:43
charlit's about time :)12:43
inetproyou can even try it by installing the addon on FF 1412:45
inetprohttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pdfjs/12:45
charlnice!12:45
charlnow i just wish we could find a built-in flash alternative...12:46
charlalternative flash player i mean12:46
inetproam not so sure whether I really like it though12:46
charlnot good, or just slow?12:46
inetprogot so used to downloading PDF files separately and viewing with Okular12:46
charlyeah, but it's handy having it right there12:46
charli often use google's web viewer12:46
inetprotrue12:46
charlquick view or whatever12:46
charli'm concerned to just open pdfs using adobe's acrobat reader on my work pc12:47
charlbecause i don't trust adobe's reader... you can have embedded scripts that execute without warnings12:47
charlthere is a way to disable it but last i heard that could also be circumvented12:47
inetprothis one is not bad12:48
charlhere's a talk about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfze8YGNvhQ12:48
inetproeish!12:53
* inetpro don't like the ever more bulky adobe products12:54
inetprolike why do we even need it?12:54
inetprowhy not just have everything in HTML?12:54
charladobe is very slow12:55
charlpractically everything they make12:55
inetproat the same time I can't say that HTML is a very optimal format12:55
charlthe problem used to be fonts12:55
charlpdf has the ability to include the original fonts used12:55
charlso the presentation was more accurate - particularlly mattered for printed material12:55
charlespecially when the spacing matters12:56
charlbut now with css3 fonts that is also no longer an obstacle12:56
charli actually don't know what the deal is with pdfs anymore and why we need them in this day and age12:56
inetproexactly12:56
charlbelieve it or not, microsoft actually has its own alternative to pdf12:56
inetproand that is?12:57
charlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_XML_Paper_Specification12:57
charlsorry was just getting the link12:57
inetproahh12:57
charlthere is a printer tool in windows 7 similar to what you have on linux but that generates xps instead of pdfs12:57
inetprohmm...12:57
inetproif only ECMA-388 was a true international and open standard12:59
inetproway to much controversy there12:59
charlthe ecma has been used by microsoft a number of times for strategic reasons13:00
charlmicrosoft isn't well known to give anything away for free without alterior motives13:00
inetproat least Okular, the document viewer of the KDE project, can display XPS documents13:00
charlnice13:01
charlthe other controversial format from microsoft is OpenXML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML13:02
charlit's standardised as ECMA-37613:02
charlseems like it's also standardised as ISO/IEC 2950013:03
charllooked like they were just trying to p*ss on OpenDocument with that13:03
charlMaaz: coffee please13:06
Maazcharl: There isn't a pot on13:06
charlMaaz: coffee on13:06
* Maaz puts the kettle on13:06
charlin unrelated news, the all-round best voip client i found as an alternative to skype that actually runs on linux must be ekiga13:07
charlhttp://ekiga.org/13:07
charlmy only complaint is insane latency13:07
zeref_workhmmm13:08
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!13:10
zeref_worksigh, everytime i want to go to a new window or workspace i go to he top left but....Oh I'm on windows :P13:10
charlzeref_work: you used to gnome3?13:19
zeref_workyep13:23
zeref_workcampus comps are windowz13:23
charlthat's probably (almost) everywhere the case13:23
charljust drank what i call "office beer"13:24
charlit's bavaria wit 0% alcohol13:24
charlpic or it didn't happen: http://i.imgur.com/K7lAZ.jpg13:26
zeref_workthat stuff is meh13:28
charli call BS13:28
charlit's a pretty decent witbier13:29
charli am extremely fed up with microsoft's exfat system on windows 713:30
charlif anything happens and the drive does not get unmounted properly, it refuses to let me write to it13:31
zeref_worklock down13:32
charlonly solution seems to be to copy all data from it and then reformat13:32
charllock down?13:32
zeref_worki used to have that issue. 13:34
charland?13:36
zeref_work1 sec13:36
zeref_workcould not read or write to the drive, felt like dows was telling me go away,  and saying "i'm keeping this data for myself"13:39
zeref_workbtw since you use irssi, to you use mpd+ncmpcpp13:40
charlnope, what's that?13:43
charlMaaz: google mpd+ncmpcpp13:44
Maazcharl: "Ncmpcpp - ncmpc++ mpd client" http://unkart.ovh.org/ncmpcpp/ :: "Ncmpcpp - ArchWiki" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ncmpcpp :: "A simple guide to set up mpd with ncmpcpp ~ Linux and Life" http://www.linuxandlife.com/2012/01/simple-guide-to-set-up-mpd-with-ncmpcpp.html :: "[SOLVED]mpd-ncmpcpp or any other good CLI player help (Page 1 ..." http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/20877/solvedmpdncmpcpp-or-any-other-good-cli-playe13:44
charlah a music player thing?13:44
charli only use grooveshark for music13:44
charli should actually try spotify at some point13:45
* zeref_work googles grooveshark13:50
zeref_workawww, website blocked13:54
sflrworks for me zeref_work 13:55
Squirmhttp://mybroadband.co.za/news/quick-news/55905-microsoft-kicks-off-new-reality-tv-show.html13:56
SquirmYes Microsoft, we would love to watch programmers sit all day and compete.13:56
SquirmI take it they're not getting enough enthusiastic people to work there to they have to make a reality show -sigh-13:56
zeref_worksflr: campus blocks it.13:58
zeref_workthat show would be boring13:58
sflroh. sorry.13:58
zeref_workwhat would be fun if they tested the contestants like they did in the film, the social network :-D13:59
charlwho wants to work for microsoft in any case14:00
charli would rather work for google or oracle14:00
charlor facebook even14:00
charlheck i would rather work for apple14:01
zeref_worklol14:01
sflrMWEB slashes data pricing with 50% http://www.news24.com/SciTech/News/MWEB-slashes-data-pricing-20120727 14:01
sflrthat reality show idea is great. i must do it in our office :)14:02
zeref_workwait, why are they only 414:02
sflr1 of them gets a job at Microsoft14:04
sflr"pits four SQL Server programmers against one another." Zzzzz...14:04
charl10mbps dsl for 135 euro... ouch14:05
charlmy stomach hurts14:05
charli wonder who is actually going to pay that14:06
zeref_workhow bout vodacoms R5000 per GiG special for roaming for the games in london14:08
sflrcharl that is 50% off. lol14:09
sflrzeref_work: that was a shocker. haha14:09
charlouch now that hurts even more14:09
charli don't know why the heck i am even watching this sh*t but i am watching the first episode14:11
charlhttp://content5.catalog.video.msn.com/e2/ds/c05d6c00-650e-4602-ad56-d3723d4df0d0.mp414:11
zeref_worksflr: i lol'ed hard when i saw that14:12
zeref_worknornal price is R1750014:12
zeref_workwtf14:12
sflrcharl is it any good?14:13
sflrzeref_work: are you serious? probably they have 10 users using it.14:13
zeref_workprobably, that like a plane ticket back14:15
sflrjust use free wifi and skype. lol. who needs roaming these days?14:16
charlsflr: it's a load of absolute cr4p14:17
sflri can imagine charl. they should've hired a PR agency if they want to pull a reality show stunt.14:18
charlyou can fly to and from london for about $1K US14:19
charlthere are tickets for well under that... $800 or so as well14:19
charlthat's well under 10K ZAR and that's a return ticket14:19
inetprohmm... to many distractions today14:38
charlinetpro: it's friday, grab a beer14:38
inetproeh14:38
charli am going for my second one, i will drink this one on you14:39
charllemme make a pic first14:39
inetprohaha14:39
charlhttp://i.imgur.com/upquf.jpg14:41
charlhttp://i.imgur.com/ozdXA.jpg14:41
charlwarsteiner... ein sehr schöne bier!14:42
charlja, so lecker!14:44
charlme gusta14:55
charlnow i go home, bbl14:55
superflydoes charl do anything other than browse or upload images to imgur?14:59
superflycause that's all I ever see him doing14:59
inetprosuperfly: I wonder15:01
Kiloshehe15:02
superflyhe's an awful lot of hot air15:02
inetprohe can take as many pics of a beer as he wants, still means nothing15:02
Kiloshes still young without many responsibilities15:02
Kiloswill grow up still15:03
inetproone day15:04
zerefhuurrrmm15:17
nuvolarinee kyk! nou gaan ek huistoe15:19
Kiloslol15:28
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nuvolaridie week was heeltemal te lank16:32
Kiloselke week is 16:32
Kilosbehalwe as jy op verlof is16:32
nuvolariheh16:33
nuvolarias ons persepsie van tyd nie so verwronge was nie16:33
magespawnevening all16:45
Kiloshi magespawn 16:48
Kiloswhere were you all day?16:49
magespawnout on the road doing a transfer16:49
Kilosah16:55
magespawnworking late at the shop to catch up16:59
Kilosok16:59
magespawnso busy all round16:59
magespawnwhat is up in ubuntu land?17:00
Kerberothe dvb-t2 transmissions are awesome17:00
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magespawnKerbero: you watching the olympics ?17:04
Kerberowell17:05
Kerberones on 217:05
Kerbero*news17:05
Kerberofree to air only has SABC17:05
magespawnit has been almost a year since i watched any tv at home17:06
charlgood evening17:07
charlMaaz: coffee on17:07
* Maaz puts the kettle on17:07
magespawnevening charl17:07
magespawnout of here for now, later all17:10
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!17:11
charlhi mage17:15
charlMaaz: thanks17:15
Maazcharl: Okay :-)17:15
Kilosyo theblaze 17:34
theblazeHi kilos17:35
theblazeHow's it going here17:35
Cantidehi everyone '<17:35
Kilosquiet mostly17:35
Kiloshi Cantide 17:35
theblazeCool17:35
Kilosdont forget cnastudy weekends too hey17:35
Cantidehaha17:35
Kiloscanstudy17:35
Cantideespecially on weekends ._.17:36
Cantidebut i must watch the rugby tomorrow17:36
Cantide>_>17:36
Kilosya17:36
theblazeDiscovered Reddit a few weeks ago so that's why I wasn't on lol 17:36
Kilosah17:36
theblazeYeah17:37
KilosCantide, Go Sharks17:47
Cantideyeah!!17:47
* Cantide is not sure if anyone here is supporting the Stormers >_>17:47
Kilosmost here dont watch sport17:47
* Cantide assumed so17:48
Kilosi watched the chiefs beat the crusaders today too17:48
Kilosgood game17:48
Cantideaha17:48
Cantideyeah17:48
CantideCarter seemed a bit out of form17:48
Cantidefrom the little i saw17:48
Kilosyeah17:48
Cantidei thought the Crusaders would win17:48
Kilosso did everyone17:49
Cantidebut they've won their share of Super Rugby already :p17:49
Kilosyeah17:49
Kiloshey you clever with hardware17:50
Kilosapart from 4 extra pins what the diffs between a 20 pin power connecter and a 24 pin17:51
Kiloswhats in those extra 4 pins17:51
Cantide>_>17:51
Cantidewhat makes you think i'm good with hardware? haha17:51
Cantidehmm17:51
Cantidei used to know this...17:52
Kiloshmm17:52
Kilosmaybe the chat about thermal paste17:52
Kilosor is google clever and you good at googling17:52
Cantidehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX#Power_supply17:54
Kilosty17:54
Cantidewikipedia is clever17:54
Cantidebut maybe you have to read that whole page to really know17:54
Cantidechat about thermal paste? i think i have forgotten ._.17:54
Kiloslast night man17:55
Kiloswasnt it you?17:55
Kilosoh my17:55
Kilosmaybe charl and Kerbero 17:56
Cantideit wasn't me :p17:56
Kiloshehe17:56
Cantidemaybe ^^17:56
Kilosok what do you call the 20 pin supply17:57
Cantidesomething to do with the ATX version17:58
Cantidei think 24 pins were introduced in version 2.017:58
Kilostell me how to use wikipedia plse17:59
Kilosi have a 20 pin but mb needs 24 pin17:59
Kilosmaybe i can bridge some connections17:59
Cantideyeah, here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX#ATX12V_2.018:00
Cantideoh, i have no idea about that18:00
Cantidefirst you'd need to know what voltage those 4 pins are18:00
Cantidethen wire it accordingly18:00
Cantidei'd recommend getting a newer PSU instead though :-S18:00
Cantidewouldn't want to fry your board18:00
Kilosshouldnt, those last 4 pins are 3 different voltages and a common18:02
Cantidehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX#Power_supply18:02
Cantidethey are the bottom 4 there18:03
Cantide11, 12, 23 and 2418:03
Cantidethe voltages are also listed18:03
Kilosyes i see that on the first link18:03
charlhi18:04
Kiloshiya charl 18:04
charlhi Kilos 18:04
charlno sorry know nothing about thermal paste18:05
* Cantide thinks that Kilos dreams of thermal paste and IRC18:05
Kiloslol yeah18:05
charllol18:05
Kilosw000t http://www.smps.us/20-to-24pin-atx.html18:09
Kilosi go read18:09
Kiloslooks like i can use the 20 pin to check if the mb works18:14
Kilosthe extra 4 pins are for more current drain pcs18:14
Cantideyeah18:15
Cantidecome to think of it, i have used a 20 pin connector on a 24 pin board before18:16
Kilossee why didnt you think about that before18:17
Cantidei thought you needed 24-pin power :p18:18
Kilosthe mb is 24 pin and my psu is 20 pin18:20
Kilosso i can test mb with it18:20
Kilosyay18:20
Kilosyo superfly 18:21
superflyhi Kilos18:21
Kilosbbl18:32
magespawnevening all\19:06
nuvolarihi oom Kilos 19:39
Kiloshi nuvolari 19:39
Kiloshet net probeer scharl bel19:39
Kilosvoicemail19:39
Kilosnight all , sleep tight20:06
Kilosuh oh fly connection crashed20:07
* inetpro wonders what happened with superfly20:32
inetprowb superfly20:33
superfly-_- datacentre connectivity issues20:33
inetproeish!20:34
charlhi inetpro 20:41
charlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO7MWuJ7zLA20:41
charl:D20:41
charla japanese in southern bavaria yodeling with chickens20:42
charlsrsly20:42
charlnn all20:58
superflymy case in point21:00
inetprolol21:04
* not_found missed something :p21:09
not_found...oh and hi superfly and inetpro :)21:15
inetproeh not_found21:15
* inetpro is about to go hit the sack21:16
superflyhi not_found21:16
* superfly is also heading off21:16
not_foundinetpro: enjoy (me doing the nightshift thing)21:16
not_foundsuperfly: also enjoy :)21:16
inetpronot_found: hold the fort21:16
not_foundlol21:16
not_foundk21:16
inetprogood night everyone21:17
not_foundight21:19
not_foundnight even 21:20

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