[05:23]  * Kilos greets ubuntu-za
[05:51] <Squirm> morning
[05:51] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:03] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg 
[06:03] <SmilyBorg> Hi there
[06:24] <sakhi> Morning, to all the Sys.Admins. Happy Sys.admin Day.
[06:25]  * Kilos cries
[06:25] <Kilos> me  no sysadmin
[06:25]  * Kilos greets sakhi 
[07:04] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[08:28] <sflr> good morning all! happy friday :)
[08:28] <Kilos> morning sflr 
[08:34] <Kilos> inetpro, you awake yet?
[09:42] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[09:42] <jrgns> hey Kilos
[09:42] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[09:42] <jrgns> thnx
[09:42] <Kilos> first time here?
[09:44] <jrgns> iirc, yes
[09:44] <jrgns> i'm trying to get back onto irc
[09:44] <jrgns> i've been neglecting it
[09:44] <jrgns> seems a bit quiet :P
[09:45] <Kilos> guys are very busy at work but when someone has problems one of them will make time to help
[09:47] <jrgns> kewl
[09:47] <jrgns> what do you do that you have time to chat?
[09:47] <Kilos> are you using ubuntu jrgns 
[09:47] <Kilos> ?
[09:48] <jrgns> xubuntu at the mo
[09:48] <Kilos> ah
[09:49] <jrgns> unitiy is counter productive to my workflow
[09:49] <Kilos> oh my
[09:52] <jrgns> you?
[09:54] <Kilos> im still on maverick
[09:55] <Kilos> 10.10 but will try unity next week sometime
[09:58] <jrgns> fun and games
[09:59] <jrgns> i'm using keyboard shortcuts leftover from my slackware days that uses the windows key
[09:59] <jrgns> doesn't work well with unity
[09:59] <jrgns> brb
[10:04] <zeref_work> hmmmm
[10:17]  * inetpro streches his self
[10:17] <inetpro> Kilos: good day
[10:17] <inetpro> Maaz: what's for lunch?
[10:17] <Maaz> inetpro: Coffee should be enough...
[10:18] <inetpro> eish!
[10:18] <Kilos> lol dag boetie
[10:18] <inetpro> he's stingy again!?
[10:18] <nuvolari> o/
[10:18] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos, oom inetpro 
[10:18] <nuvolari> :P
[10:18] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[10:18] <inetpro> Happy SysAdmin Day to everyone!
[10:18]  * nuvolari hol dat die stof spat
[10:19] <jrgns> hello inetpro
[10:19] <nuvolari> yeah... our sysadmin took leave today and guess what? our network goes haywire
[10:19] <Kilos> eish
[10:20] <inetpro> hi jrgns
[10:20] <inetpro> wb
[10:20] <nuvolari> oh hi jrgns 
[10:20]  * nuvolari don't recall seeing jrgns before :P
[10:21] <inetpro> ahh... then welcome jrgns
[10:21] <Kilos> scroll back nuvolari and read his story
[10:21] <inetpro> I thought that I'd seen him before
[10:21] <Kilos> another non unity fan
[10:22] <jrgns> inetpro: you know me from twitter / g+
[10:22] <inetpro> must have been on twitter and or floss.pro
[10:22] <nuvolari> welcome to the anti-unity club
[10:22] <inetpro> exactly :-)
[10:22] <jrgns> lol, how big's the club?
[10:22] <nuvolari> me, for one
[10:22] <jrgns> schweet
[10:22] <nuvolari> not sure about the rest
[10:22] <jrgns> what do you use?
[10:22] <jrgns> or do you just use and hate it
[10:23]  * inetpro goes on search for some food
[10:23] <nuvolari> ooh! 
[10:23] <nuvolari> nice jrgns, I'm in the xubuntu club too
[10:23] <nuvolari> (normal ubuntu base, but I added xubuntu and use xfce)
[10:23] <jrgns> schweet
[10:23] <nuvolari> 4.10
[10:23] <jrgns> i must say, it's much easier to get it working as i like it than it was with gnome
[10:24] <jrgns> that usually took me ages.
[10:24] <nuvolari> I like gnome3 though, but miles slower than xfce
[10:26] <confluency> I've used Fluxbox since before Unity; I missed the Unity drama completely.
[10:27] <nuvolari> ooh nice :> I used to use openbox, but configuring took just a bit too long :P
[10:27] <nuvolari> and then when I have loads of time again... I'll do xmonad
[10:29] <nuvolari> ack, need to get back to work
[10:29] <nuvolari> chat to you all laterz
[10:29] <jrgns> cheers
[10:30] <nuvolari> hmm, what really would rock my boat is IRC in google+
[10:36] <Kilos> confluency, havent you even tried unity?
[10:37] <Kilos> later nuvolari have a good day
[11:04] <confluency> I have, briefly.
[11:15] <Kilos> ah
[11:16] <Trixar_za> Hello Kilos
[11:16] <Kilos> hiya Trixar_za 
[12:01] <charl> good afternoon!
[12:02] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[12:02] <Kilos> hi charl 
[12:02]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[12:02] <charl> hi Kilos 
[12:02] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[12:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[12:02] <charl> i just ate four museli buns and i am like "me gusta"
[12:03] <charl> just need some coffee now
[12:03] <Kilos> lol
[12:03] <charl> me mucho gusta
[12:06] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[12:06] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[12:06] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[12:15] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[12:15] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[12:39] <charl> silent in here today, how's it going with you ballies
[12:43] <inetpro> wow!
[12:43] <inetpro> I see Firefox 15 is coming out with a built-in PDF viewer
[12:43] <charl> it's about time :)
[12:45] <inetpro> you can even try it by installing the addon on FF 14
[12:45] <inetpro> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pdfjs/
[12:45] <charl> nice!
[12:46] <charl> now i just wish we could find a built-in flash alternative...
[12:46] <charl> alternative flash player i mean
[12:46] <inetpro> am not so sure whether I really like it though
[12:46] <charl> not good, or just slow?
[12:46] <inetpro> got so used to downloading PDF files separately and viewing with Okular
[12:46] <charl> yeah, but it's handy having it right there
[12:46] <charl> i often use google's web viewer
[12:46] <inetpro> true
[12:46] <charl> quick view or whatever
[12:47] <charl> i'm concerned to just open pdfs using adobe's acrobat reader on my work pc
[12:47] <charl> because i don't trust adobe's reader... you can have embedded scripts that execute without warnings
[12:47] <charl> there is a way to disable it but last i heard that could also be circumvented
[12:48] <inetpro> this one is not bad
[12:48] <charl> here's a talk about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfze8YGNvhQ
[12:53] <inetpro> eish!
[12:54]  * inetpro don't like the ever more bulky adobe products
[12:54] <inetpro> like why do we even need it?
[12:54] <inetpro> why not just have everything in HTML?
[12:55] <charl> adobe is very slow
[12:55] <charl> practically everything they make
[12:55] <inetpro> at the same time I can't say that HTML is a very optimal format
[12:55] <charl> the problem used to be fonts
[12:55] <charl> pdf has the ability to include the original fonts used
[12:55] <charl> so the presentation was more accurate - particularlly mattered for printed material
[12:56] <charl> especially when the spacing matters
[12:56] <charl> but now with css3 fonts that is also no longer an obstacle
[12:56] <charl> i actually don't know what the deal is with pdfs anymore and why we need them in this day and age
[12:56] <inetpro> exactly
[12:56] <charl> believe it or not, microsoft actually has its own alternative to pdf
[12:57] <inetpro> and that is?
[12:57] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_XML_Paper_Specification
[12:57] <charl> sorry was just getting the link
[12:57] <inetpro> ahh
[12:57] <charl> there is a printer tool in windows 7 similar to what you have on linux but that generates xps instead of pdfs
[12:57] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:59] <inetpro> if only ECMA-388 was a true international and open standard
[12:59] <inetpro> way to much controversy there
[13:00] <charl> the ecma has been used by microsoft a number of times for strategic reasons
[13:00] <charl> microsoft isn't well known to give anything away for free without alterior motives
[13:00] <inetpro> at least Okular, the document viewer of the KDE project, can display XPS documents
[13:01] <charl> nice
[13:02] <charl> the other controversial format from microsoft is OpenXML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML
[13:02] <charl> it's standardised as ECMA-376
[13:03] <charl> seems like it's also standardised as ISO/IEC 29500
[13:03] <charl> looked like they were just trying to p*ss on OpenDocument with that
[13:06] <charl> Maaz: coffee please
[13:06] <Maaz> charl: There isn't a pot on
[13:06] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[13:06]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:07] <charl> in unrelated news, the all-round best voip client i found as an alternative to skype that actually runs on linux must be ekiga
[13:07] <charl> http://ekiga.org/
[13:07] <charl> my only complaint is insane latency
[13:08] <zeref_work> hmmm
[13:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[13:10] <zeref_work> sigh, everytime i want to go to a new window or workspace i go to he top left but....Oh I'm on windows :P
[13:19] <charl> zeref_work: you used to gnome3?
[13:23] <zeref_work> yep
[13:23] <zeref_work> campus comps are windowz
[13:23] <charl> that's probably (almost) everywhere the case
[13:24] <charl> just drank what i call "office beer"
[13:24] <charl> it's bavaria wit 0% alcohol
[13:26] <charl> pic or it didn't happen: http://i.imgur.com/K7lAZ.jpg
[13:28] <zeref_work> that stuff is meh
[13:28] <charl> i call BS
[13:29] <charl> it's a pretty decent witbier
[13:30] <charl> i am extremely fed up with microsoft's exfat system on windows 7
[13:31] <charl> if anything happens and the drive does not get unmounted properly, it refuses to let me write to it
[13:32] <zeref_work> lock down
[13:32] <charl> only solution seems to be to copy all data from it and then reformat
[13:32] <charl> lock down?
[13:34] <zeref_work> i used to have that issue. 
[13:36] <charl> and?
[13:36] <zeref_work> 1 sec
[13:39] <zeref_work> could not read or write to the drive, felt like dows was telling me go away,  and saying "i'm keeping this data for myself"
[13:40] <zeref_work> btw since you use irssi, to you use mpd+ncmpcpp
[13:43] <charl> nope, what's that?
[13:44] <charl> Maaz: google mpd+ncmpcpp
[13:44] <Maaz> charl: "Ncmpcpp - ncmpc++ mpd client" http://unkart.ovh.org/ncmpcpp/ :: "Ncmpcpp - ArchWiki" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ncmpcpp :: "A simple guide to set up mpd with ncmpcpp ~ Linux and Life" http://www.linuxandlife.com/2012/01/simple-guide-to-set-up-mpd-with-ncmpcpp.html :: "[SOLVED]mpd-ncmpcpp or any other good CLI player help (Page 1 ..." http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/20877/solvedmpdncmpcpp-or-any-other-good-cli-playe
[13:44] <charl> ah a music player thing?
[13:44] <charl> i only use grooveshark for music
[13:45] <charl> i should actually try spotify at some point
[13:50]  * zeref_work googles grooveshark
[13:54] <zeref_work> awww, website blocked
[13:55] <sflr> works for me zeref_work 
[13:56] <Squirm> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/quick-news/55905-microsoft-kicks-off-new-reality-tv-show.html
[13:56] <Squirm> Yes Microsoft, we would love to watch programmers sit all day and compete.
[13:56] <Squirm> I take it they're not getting enough enthusiastic people to work there to they have to make a reality show -sigh-
[13:58] <zeref_work> sflr: campus blocks it.
[13:58] <zeref_work> that show would be boring
[13:58] <sflr> oh. sorry.
[13:59] <zeref_work> what would be fun if they tested the contestants like they did in the film, the social network :-D
[14:00] <charl> who wants to work for microsoft in any case
[14:00] <charl> i would rather work for google or oracle
[14:00] <charl> or facebook even
[14:01] <charl> heck i would rather work for apple
[14:01] <zeref_work> lol
[14:01] <sflr> MWEB slashes data pricing with 50% http://www.news24.com/SciTech/News/MWEB-slashes-data-pricing-20120727 
[14:02] <sflr> that reality show idea is great. i must do it in our office :)
[14:02] <zeref_work> wait, why are they only 4
[14:04] <sflr> 1 of them gets a job at Microsoft
[14:04] <sflr> "pits four SQL Server programmers against one another." Zzzzz...
[14:05] <charl> 10mbps dsl for 135 euro... ouch
[14:05] <charl> my stomach hurts
[14:06] <charl> i wonder who is actually going to pay that
[14:08] <zeref_work> how bout vodacoms R5000 per GiG special for roaming for the games in london
[14:09] <sflr> charl that is 50% off. lol
[14:09] <sflr> zeref_work: that was a shocker. haha
[14:09] <charl> ouch now that hurts even more
[14:11] <charl> i don't know why the heck i am even watching this sh*t but i am watching the first episode
[14:11] <charl> http://content5.catalog.video.msn.com/e2/ds/c05d6c00-650e-4602-ad56-d3723d4df0d0.mp4
[14:12] <zeref_work> sflr: i lol'ed hard when i saw that
[14:12] <zeref_work> nornal price is R17500
[14:12] <zeref_work> wtf
[14:13] <sflr> charl is it any good?
[14:13] <sflr> zeref_work: are you serious? probably they have 10 users using it.
[14:15] <zeref_work> probably, that like a plane ticket back
[14:16] <sflr> just use free wifi and skype. lol. who needs roaming these days?
[14:17] <charl> sflr: it's a load of absolute cr4p
[14:18] <sflr> i can imagine charl. they should've hired a PR agency if they want to pull a reality show stunt.
[14:19] <charl> you can fly to and from london for about $1K US
[14:19] <charl> there are tickets for well under that... $800 or so as well
[14:19] <charl> that's well under 10K ZAR and that's a return ticket
[14:38] <inetpro> hmm... to many distractions today
[14:38] <charl> inetpro: it's friday, grab a beer
[14:38] <inetpro> eh
[14:39] <charl> i am going for my second one, i will drink this one on you
[14:39] <charl> lemme make a pic first
[14:39] <inetpro> haha
[14:41] <charl> http://i.imgur.com/upquf.jpg
[14:41] <charl> http://i.imgur.com/ozdXA.jpg
[14:42] <charl> warsteiner... ein sehr schöne bier!
[14:44] <charl> ja, so lecker!
[14:55] <charl> me gusta
[14:55] <charl> now i go home, bbl
[14:59] <superfly> does charl do anything other than browse or upload images to imgur?
[14:59] <superfly> cause that's all I ever see him doing
[15:01] <inetpro> superfly: I wonder
[15:02] <Kilos> hehe
[15:02] <superfly> he's an awful lot of hot air
[15:02] <inetpro> he can take as many pics of a beer as he wants, still means nothing
[15:02] <Kilos> hes still young without many responsibilities
[15:03] <Kilos> will grow up still
[15:04] <inetpro> one day
[15:17] <zeref> huurrrmm
[15:19] <nuvolari> nee kyk! nou gaan ek huistoe
[15:28] <Kilos> lol
[16:32] <nuvolari> die week was heeltemal te lank
[16:32] <Kilos> elke week is 
[16:32] <Kilos> behalwe as jy op verlof is
[16:33] <nuvolari> heh
[16:33] <nuvolari> as ons persepsie van tyd nie so verwronge was nie
[16:45] <magespawn> evening all
[16:48] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[16:49] <Kilos> where were you all day?
[16:49] <magespawn> out on the road doing a transfer
[16:55] <Kilos> ah
[16:59] <magespawn> working late at the shop to catch up
[16:59] <Kilos> ok
[16:59] <magespawn> so busy all round
[17:00] <magespawn> what is up in ubuntu land?
[17:00] <Kerbero> the dvb-t2 transmissions are awesome
[17:04] <magespawn> Kerbero: you watching the olympics ?
[17:05] <Kerbero> well
[17:05] <Kerbero> nes on 2
[17:05] <Kerbero> *news
[17:05] <Kerbero> free to air only has SABC
[17:06] <magespawn> it has been almost a year since i watched any tv at home
[17:07] <charl> good evening
[17:07] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[17:07]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:07] <magespawn> evening charl
[17:10] <magespawn> out of here for now, later all
[17:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[17:15] <charl> hi mage
[17:15] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[17:15] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[17:34] <Kilos> yo theblaze 
[17:35] <theblaze> Hi kilos
[17:35] <theblaze> How's it going here
[17:35] <Cantide> hi everyone '<
[17:35] <Kilos> quiet mostly
[17:35] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[17:35] <theblaze> Cool
[17:35] <Kilos> dont forget cnastudy weekends too hey
[17:35] <Cantide> haha
[17:35] <Kilos> canstudy
[17:36] <Cantide> especially on weekends ._.
[17:36] <Cantide> but i must watch the rugby tomorrow
[17:36] <Cantide> >_>
[17:36] <Kilos> ya
[17:36] <theblaze> Discovered Reddit a few weeks ago so that's why I wasn't on lol 
[17:36] <Kilos> ah
[17:37] <theblaze> Yeah
[17:47] <Kilos> Cantide, Go Sharks
[17:47] <Cantide> yeah!!
[17:47]  * Cantide is not sure if anyone here is supporting the Stormers >_>
[17:47] <Kilos> most here dont watch sport
[17:48]  * Cantide assumed so
[17:48] <Kilos> i watched the chiefs beat the crusaders today too
[17:48] <Kilos> good game
[17:48] <Cantide> aha
[17:48] <Cantide> yeah
[17:48] <Cantide> Carter seemed a bit out of form
[17:48] <Cantide> from the little i saw
[17:48] <Kilos> yeah
[17:48] <Cantide> i thought the Crusaders would win
[17:49] <Kilos> so did everyone
[17:49] <Cantide> but they've won their share of Super Rugby already :p
[17:49] <Kilos> yeah
[17:50] <Kilos> hey you clever with hardware
[17:51] <Kilos> apart from 4 extra pins what the diffs between a 20 pin power connecter and a 24 pin
[17:51] <Kilos> whats in those extra 4 pins
[17:51] <Cantide> >_>
[17:51] <Cantide> what makes you think i'm good with hardware? haha
[17:51] <Cantide> hmm
[17:52] <Cantide> i used to know this...
[17:52] <Kilos> hmm
[17:52] <Kilos> maybe the chat about thermal paste
[17:52] <Kilos> or is google clever and you good at googling
[17:54] <Cantide> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX#Power_supply
[17:54] <Kilos> ty
[17:54] <Cantide> wikipedia is clever
[17:54] <Cantide> but maybe you have to read that whole page to really know
[17:54] <Cantide> chat about thermal paste? i think i have forgotten ._.
[17:55] <Kilos> last night man
[17:55] <Kilos> wasnt it you?
[17:55] <Kilos> oh my
[17:56] <Kilos> maybe charl and Kerbero 
[17:56] <Cantide> it wasn't me :p
[17:56] <Kilos> hehe
[17:56] <Cantide> maybe ^^
[17:57] <Kilos> ok what do you call the 20 pin supply
[17:58] <Cantide> something to do with the ATX version
[17:58] <Cantide> i think 24 pins were introduced in version 2.0
[17:59] <Kilos> tell me how to use wikipedia plse
[17:59] <Kilos> i have a 20 pin but mb needs 24 pin
[17:59] <Kilos> maybe i can bridge some connections
[18:00] <Cantide> yeah, here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX#ATX12V_2.0
[18:00] <Cantide> oh, i have no idea about that
[18:00] <Cantide> first you'd need to know what voltage those 4 pins are
[18:00] <Cantide> then wire it accordingly
[18:00] <Cantide> i'd recommend getting a newer PSU instead though :-S
[18:00] <Cantide> wouldn't want to fry your board
[18:02] <Kilos> shouldnt, those last 4 pins are 3 different voltages and a common
[18:02] <Cantide> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX#Power_supply
[18:03] <Cantide> they are the bottom 4 there
[18:03] <Cantide> 11, 12, 23 and 24
[18:03] <Cantide> the voltages are also listed
[18:03] <Kilos> yes i see that on the first link
[18:04] <charl> hi
[18:04] <Kilos> hiya charl 
[18:04] <charl> hi Kilos 
[18:05] <charl> no sorry know nothing about thermal paste
[18:05]  * Cantide thinks that Kilos dreams of thermal paste and IRC
[18:05] <Kilos> lol yeah
[18:05] <charl> lol
[18:09] <Kilos> w000t http://www.smps.us/20-to-24pin-atx.html
[18:09] <Kilos> i go read
[18:14] <Kilos> looks like i can use the 20 pin to check if the mb works
[18:14] <Kilos> the extra 4 pins are for more current drain pcs
[18:15] <Cantide> yeah
[18:16] <Cantide> come to think of it, i have used a 20 pin connector on a 24 pin board before
[18:17] <Kilos> see why didnt you think about that before
[18:18] <Cantide> i thought you needed 24-pin power :p
[18:20] <Kilos> the mb is 24 pin and my psu is 20 pin
[18:20] <Kilos> so i can test mb with it
[18:20] <Kilos> yay
[18:21] <Kilos> yo superfly 
[18:21] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:32] <Kilos> bbl
[19:06] <magespawn> evening all\
[19:39] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[19:39] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[19:39] <Kilos> het net probeer scharl bel
[19:39] <Kilos> voicemail
[20:06] <Kilos> night all , sleep tight
[20:07] <Kilos> uh oh fly connection crashed
[20:32]  * inetpro wonders what happened with superfly
[20:33] <inetpro> wb superfly
[20:33] <superfly> -_- datacentre connectivity issues
[20:34] <inetpro> eish!
[20:41] <charl> hi inetpro 
[20:41] <charl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO7MWuJ7zLA
[20:41] <charl> :D
[20:42] <charl> a japanese in southern bavaria yodeling with chickens
[20:42] <charl> srsly
[20:58] <charl> nn all
[21:00] <superfly> my case in point
[21:04] <inetpro> lol
[21:09]  * not_found missed something :p
[21:15] <not_found> ...oh and hi superfly and inetpro :)
[21:15] <inetpro> eh not_found
[21:16]  * inetpro is about to go hit the sack
[21:16] <superfly> hi not_found
[21:16]  * superfly is also heading off
[21:16] <not_found> inetpro: enjoy (me doing the nightshift thing)
[21:16] <not_found> superfly: also enjoy :)
[21:16] <inetpro> not_found: hold the fort
[21:16] <not_found> lol
[21:16] <not_found> k
[21:17] <inetpro> good night everyone
[21:19] <not_found> ight
[21:20] <not_found> night even