[04:12] do-release-upgrade -d don't show quantal what I'm missing? [04:13] as ok it was only checking lts ones ... [04:15] now I need to poke them again to enable my kernel feature :P [11:16] Anyone have a idea on how to do a fresh install while preserving my old encrypted /home ? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [11:44] kubotu: np [11:44] shadeslayer_ is listening to "Overture" by Daft Punk [TRON: Legacy, 2010] [http://open.spotify.com/track/1wlLWCKOYy3o2GlVR1szY2] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more [13:44] shadeslayer: your e.v. vote is open! === yofel_ is now known as yofel === skreech__ is now known as Daskreech [17:54] "Harald Sitter (apachelogger) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2013-07-31." yay he still loves us! [17:57] mrgh hrsdhhhjk [17:57] damn nvidia [17:58] Random logouts :/ [18:25] Riddell: \o/ [18:25] Everyone who is a e.V. member, plz2vote :P [18:26] not I said the jussi [18:40] here shadeslayer [18:40] chronos: hi [18:41] so ... is weird, I added ppa but not see ppa packages [18:41] chronos: right, so you wanted KTP packages for precise? [18:41] ya [18:41] to test 0.4 [18:41] ok, sec [18:41] chronos: by any chance, are you Bhargav? [18:42] nop [18:43] chronos: ok, ktp packages are here : https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa [18:43] chronos: sorry, must have mistaken you for someone else then [18:43] hm not on kubuntu backports/ [18:43] ? [18:43] chronos: It's not stable so unlikely to be in backports [18:43] nope [18:44] The point of backports is to make things more stable or more secure [18:44] ktp currently does neither [18:44] k, so need to fix that article http://www.kubuntu.org/ktp-0.4 [18:45] * shadeslayer looks [18:45] oh [18:45] ktp-filetransfer-handler 2 weeks ago [18:45] it's there in kubuntu backports [18:45] chronos: did you do a sudo apt-get update ? [18:45] ah ya [18:46] sometimes [18:46] Daskreech: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=ktp&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=precise [18:46] ~np [18:46] shadeslayer_ is listening to "The Grid" by Daft Punk [TRON: Legacy, 2010] [http://open.spotify.com/track/5z9v299A7qXXSk2VY0sUu0] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more [18:47] ahn with ppa u send me not works too shadeslayer [18:47] shadeslayer: ha :) How'd that get in? :-D [18:47] what [18:47] Daskreech: I have no idea tbh :P [18:47] Probably because we have it in the quantal archives now [18:47] brb [18:48] I should get 0.4.1 into archives, will do on Monday after testing [19:11] hm but we have 0.4 on telepathy-kde ppa for precise [19:11] really don't know why it not show for me [19:54] ScottK: ping [19:56] Quintasan: pong [19:57] ScottK: Regarding the IM magic, do you think we can get those changes in Precise or we leave it as it is and make it work perfectly in Quantal? [19:57] Quintasan: I'd say let's get quantal fixed and then see. [19:58] I think we probably can get precise fixed though. [19:58] Ok, did you already do some packaging or I can take a look at that? [19:59] Please take a look. [20:00] I was mostly trying to understand what needed to be done so far. [21:02] Quintasan: what did you work out needed done? [21:02] Riddell: Uh and what are we talking about? IM stuff? [21:04] Quintasan: yes [21:05] Riddell: I grabbed the source and took a look [21:05] Nothing much, will start doing it. [21:05] Riddell: I think the biggest thing that needs doing it probably integration of IM activation with language selection. [21:05] AIUI anyway) [21:05] Quintasan: the source of what? [21:06] Riddell: packaging I mean [21:06] Quintasan: packaging of what? [21:06] kdeplasma-addons [21:06] since that's where kimpanel is [21:06] Quintasan: but what needs done to it? [21:07] It looks like just re-enabling the binary. [21:07] Yeah [21:08] for ibus? /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel is already in plasma-widget-kimpanel [21:08] Riddell: New binary from source package plasma-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus [21:08] Hmm [21:09] Given we've got someone who has got it working and seems to understand it, I'm inclined to pretty much follow their lead. [21:10] Riddell: It seems like the biggest change is the addition on http://paste.kde.org/524564 [21:10] kimpanel-ibus-panel.desktop [21:10] Which gets copied into etc/xdg/autostart/ [21:10] Probably to ensure it is really running [21:12] right [21:12] /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel doesn't exist in precise [21:12] At least not in my install [21:12] * Quintasan is pretty sure he installed kimpanel [21:13] and get it installed for the right languages [21:13] Quintasan: install quantal if you're working on quantal! else it might all be wrong [21:13] It doesn't exist on precise. [21:13] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=precise&arch=any&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=kimpanel-ibus-panel [21:14] It does on quantal. [21:15] Then we want that to be fixed in precise [21:15] Our kdeplasma-addons branch installs that file [21:18] If $SOMEONE would upload an SRU for that, I'll approve/New it. Needs bug/test case/etc for SRU. [21:19] I'm not sure how do we handle that entire magic in the installer but the steps seem to be working [21:20] Quintasan: which steps? [21:21] Riddell: The ones Awashiro sent Scott asked if we want im-switch im-select [21:22] However one must ensure ibus is installed before sudo update-alternatives --install /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/en_US xinput-en_US /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/ibus 60 [21:22] or as Ma suggested we could use im-switch instead [21:22] it's always been a mystery why that stuff is needed rather than just a config file setting like everything else [21:24] * Riddell snoozes [21:24] http://paste.kde.org/524564 makes sure that kimpanel-ibus backend is started automagically [21:26] it integrates very nicely [21:27] hmm .. does anyone know how to write/modify help.ubuntu.com pages? [21:28] shadeslayer: IIRC you need to be an ubuntu-docs member. [21:28] alrighty, that would be LittleGirl in our case [21:29] Quintasan: One of the steps was adding the widget to the panel, wasn't it? We can do that with javscript if we need to. [21:29] shadeslayer: I think I recall Riddell saying something about her being on VAC for awhile. [21:30] ScottK: Yes, we can, the question is do we want to add that by default for every install [21:30] ok [21:30] Or can we somehow make it if'able basing on locale? [21:30] it can wait, as long as it gets released along with Quantal [21:30] Quintasan: i don't think we have to. I think we can do it in the language selector somehow. [21:30] ScottK: Okay. [21:31] Or kimpanel can ship the javascript snippet. [21:31] I think it's safe to assume that if someone installs it, they want it to work. [21:31] ScottK: The trick to this stuff is finding ibus engines for each language [21:31] for ex. Anthy is for Japanese [21:31] Right. [21:31] and then using the im-switch to force ibus [21:31] There's two bits I think. [21:32] One is getting it into the panel on install. [21:32] We can do that with js. [21:32] (similar to how was have a different panel layout for plasma-netbook) [21:32] Two is getting it activated correctly. [21:32] /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel -i ? [21:32] That's per-language so would have to be done in the language selector. [21:33] ScottK: Ah yeah, I forgot that I added Anthy manually using ibus-setup [21:34] hmm [21:34] no idea if we can somehow stick a input method to ibus without nagging the user to do it himself [21:36] For part one, I'm thinking about /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/layout-templates/org.kde.plasma-netbook.defaultPanel/contents/layout.js as an example. [21:36] (kubuntu-netbook-default-settings) [21:38] ScottK: But that's the easiest part :P Did you try those steps that Awashiro sent? [21:38] No. I told you I hadn't done anything but think about it. [21:38] Oh, ok, look then [21:38] 4. ibus-setup [21:38] 5. Open [Input Method] tab, and check [Customize activate input methods] on [21:38] 6. Click [Select an input methods]-[Japanese]-[Anthy] [21:38] 7. Click [add] [21:39] You gotta do some clicking to do enable Anthy for example [21:39] This would have to be done with every language === alazare619_ is now known as alazare619 [21:39] s/language/input method [21:40] The question is how do we handle that [21:40] If we could get to step 5 automatically and the user had to click 5 - 7 by hand, that would still be a huge step forward. [21:40] ibus-setup is gui only [21:40] Oh, okay [21:41] ScottK: That stuff needs to be done in language-selector? [21:41] That's my guess, but it is a guess. [21:44] Okay, I noted down the gist of what we want to get done and will look at it tomorrow [21:45] Great. You might reply to the mail saying you're working on it.