[04:12] <dantti> do-release-upgrade -d don't show quantal what I'm missing?
[04:13] <dantti> as ok it was only checking lts ones ...
[04:15] <dantti> now I need to poke them again to enable my kernel feature :P
[11:16] <shadeslayer> Anyone have a idea on how to do a fresh install while preserving my old encrypted /home ?
[11:44] <shadeslayer> kubotu: np
[11:44] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ is listening to "Overture" by Daft Punk [TRON: Legacy, 2010] [http://open.spotify.com/track/1wlLWCKOYy3o2GlVR1szY2] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
[13:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: your e.v. vote is open!
[17:54] <Riddell> "Harald Sitter (apachelogger) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2013-07-31."  yay he still loves us!
[17:57] <jussi> mrgh hrsdhhhjk
[17:57] <jussi> damn nvidia
[17:58] <jussi> Random logouts :/
[18:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: \o/
[18:25] <shadeslayer> Everyone who is a e.V. member, plz2vote :P
[18:26] <jussi> not I said the jussi
[18:40] <chronos> here shadeslayer
[18:40] <shadeslayer> chronos: hi
[18:41] <chronos> so ... is weird, I added ppa but not see ppa packages
[18:41] <shadeslayer> chronos: right, so you wanted KTP packages for precise?
[18:41] <chronos> ya
[18:41] <chronos> to test 0.4
[18:41] <shadeslayer> ok, sec
[18:41] <shadeslayer> chronos: by any chance, are you Bhargav?
[18:42] <chronos> nop
[18:43] <shadeslayer> chronos: ok, ktp packages are here : https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa
[18:43] <shadeslayer> chronos: sorry, must have mistaken you for someone else then
[18:43] <chronos> hm not on kubuntu backports/
[18:43] <chronos> ?
[18:43] <Daskreech> chronos: It's not stable so unlikely to be in backports
[18:43] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:44] <Daskreech> The point of backports is to make things more stable or more secure
[18:44] <Daskreech> ktp currently does neither 
[18:44] <chronos> k, so need to fix that article http://www.kubuntu.org/ktp-0.4
[18:45]  * shadeslayer looks
[18:45] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:45] <shadeslayer> ktp-filetransfer-handler 2 weeks ago 
[18:45] <shadeslayer> it's there in kubuntu backports
[18:45] <shadeslayer> chronos: did you do a sudo apt-get update ?
[18:45] <chronos> ah ya
[18:46] <chronos> sometimes
[18:46] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=ktp&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=precise
[18:46] <shadeslayer> ~np
[18:46] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ is listening to "The Grid" by Daft Punk [TRON: Legacy, 2010] [http://open.spotify.com/track/5z9v299A7qXXSk2VY0sUu0] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
[18:47] <chronos> ahn with ppa u send me not works too shadeslayer
[18:47] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: ha :) How'd that get in? :-D
[18:47] <shadeslayer> what
[18:47] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: I have no idea tbh :P
[18:47] <shadeslayer> Probably because we have it in the quantal archives now
[18:47] <chronos> brb
[18:48] <shadeslayer> I should get 0.4.1 into archives, will do on Monday after testing
[19:11] <chronos> hm but we have 0.4 on telepathy-kde ppa for precise
[19:11] <chronos> really don't know why it not show for me
[19:54] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[19:56] <ScottK> Quintasan: pong
[19:57] <Quintasan> ScottK: Regarding the IM magic, do you think we can get those changes in Precise or we leave it as it is and make it work perfectly in Quantal?
[19:57] <ScottK> Quintasan: I'd say let's get quantal fixed and then see.
[19:58] <ScottK> I think we probably can get precise fixed though.
[19:58] <Quintasan> Ok, did you already do some packaging or I can take a look at that?
[19:59] <ScottK> Please take a look.
[20:00] <ScottK> I was mostly trying to understand what needed to be done so far.
[21:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: what did you work out needed done?
[21:02] <Quintasan> Riddell: Uh and what are we talking about? IM stuff?
[21:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes
[21:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: I grabbed the source and took a look
[21:05] <Quintasan> Nothing much, will start doing it.
[21:05] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the biggest thing that needs doing it probably integration of IM activation with language selection.
[21:05] <ScottK> AIUI anyway)
[21:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: the source of what?
[21:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: packaging I mean
[21:06] <Riddell> Quintasan: packaging of what?
[21:06] <Quintasan> kdeplasma-addons
[21:06] <Quintasan> since that's where kimpanel is
[21:06] <Riddell> Quintasan: but what needs done to it?
[21:07] <ScottK> It looks like just re-enabling the binary.
[21:07] <Quintasan> Yeah
[21:08] <Riddell> for ibus?  /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel is already in plasma-widget-kimpanel
[21:08] <Quintasan> Riddell: New binary from source package plasma-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus
[21:08] <Quintasan> Hmm
[21:09] <ScottK> Given we've got someone who has got it working and seems to understand it, I'm inclined to pretty much follow their lead.
[21:10] <Quintasan> Riddell: It seems like the biggest change is the addition on http://paste.kde.org/524564
[21:10] <Quintasan> kimpanel-ibus-panel.desktop
[21:10] <Quintasan> Which gets copied into etc/xdg/autostart/
[21:10] <Quintasan> Probably to ensure it is really running
[21:12] <Riddell> right
[21:12] <Quintasan> /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel doesn't exist in precise
[21:12] <Quintasan> At least not in my install
[21:12]  * Quintasan is pretty sure he installed kimpanel
[21:13] <Riddell> and get it installed for the right languages
[21:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: install quantal if you're working on quantal!  else it might all be wrong
[21:13] <ScottK> It doesn't exist on precise.
[21:13] <ScottK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=precise&arch=any&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=kimpanel-ibus-panel
[21:14] <ScottK> It does on quantal.
[21:15] <Quintasan> Then we want that to be fixed in precise
[21:15] <Quintasan> Our kdeplasma-addons branch installs that file
[21:18] <ScottK> If $SOMEONE would upload an SRU for that, I'll approve/New it.  Needs bug/test case/etc for SRU.
[21:19] <Quintasan> I'm not sure how do we handle that entire magic in the installer but the steps seem to be working
[21:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: which steps?
[21:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: The ones  Awashiro sent Scott asked if we want im-switch im-select
[21:22] <Quintasan> However one must ensure ibus is installed before sudo update-alternatives --install /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/en_US xinput-en_US /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/ibus 60
[21:22] <Quintasan> or as Ma suggested we could use im-switch instead
[21:22] <Riddell> it's always been a mystery why that stuff is needed rather than just a config file setting like everything else
[21:24]  * Riddell snoozes
[21:24] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/524564 makes sure that kimpanel-ibus backend is started automagically
[21:26] <Quintasan> it integrates very nicely
[21:27] <shadeslayer> hmm .. does anyone know how to write/modify help.ubuntu.com pages?
[21:28] <ScottK> shadeslayer: IIRC you need to be an ubuntu-docs member.
[21:28] <shadeslayer> alrighty, that would be LittleGirl in our case
[21:29] <ScottK> Quintasan: One of the steps was adding the widget to the panel, wasn't it?  We can do that with javscript if we need to.
[21:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I think I recall Riddell saying something about her being on VAC for awhile.
[21:30] <Quintasan> ScottK: Yes, we can, the question is do we want to add that by default for every install
[21:30] <shadeslayer> ok
[21:30] <Quintasan> Or can we somehow make it if'able basing on locale?
[21:30] <shadeslayer> it can wait, as long as it gets released along with Quantal
[21:30] <ScottK> Quintasan: i don't think we have to.  I think we can do it in the language selector somehow.
[21:30] <Quintasan> ScottK: Okay.
[21:31] <ScottK> Or kimpanel can ship the javascript snippet.
[21:31] <ScottK> I think it's safe to assume that if someone installs it, they want it to work.
[21:31] <Quintasan> ScottK: The trick to this stuff is finding ibus engines for each language
[21:31] <Quintasan> for ex. Anthy is for Japanese
[21:31] <ScottK> Right.
[21:31] <Quintasan> and then using the im-switch to force ibus
[21:31] <ScottK> There's two bits I think.
[21:32] <ScottK> One is getting it into the panel on install.
[21:32] <ScottK> We can do that with js.
[21:32] <ScottK> (similar to how was have a different panel layout for plasma-netbook)
[21:32] <ScottK> Two is getting it activated correctly.
[21:32] <Quintasan> /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel -i ?
[21:32] <ScottK> That's per-language so would have to be done in the language selector.
[21:33] <Quintasan> ScottK: Ah yeah, I forgot that I added Anthy manually using ibus-setup
[21:34] <Quintasan> hmm
[21:34] <Quintasan> no idea if we can somehow stick a input method to ibus without nagging the user to do it himself
[21:36] <ScottK> For part one, I'm thinking about /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/layout-templates/org.kde.plasma-netbook.defaultPanel/contents/layout.js as an example.
[21:36] <ScottK> (kubuntu-netbook-default-settings)
[21:38] <Quintasan> ScottK: But that's the easiest part :P Did you try those steps that Awashiro sent?
[21:38] <ScottK> No.  I told you I hadn't done anything but think about it.
[21:38] <Quintasan> Oh, ok, look then
[21:38] <Quintasan> 4. ibus-setup
[21:38] <Quintasan>  5. Open [Input Method] tab, and check [Customize activate input methods] on
[21:38] <Quintasan>  6. Click [Select an input methods]-[Japanese]-[Anthy]
[21:38] <Quintasan>  7. Click [add]
[21:39] <Quintasan> You gotta do some clicking to do enable Anthy for example
[21:39] <Quintasan> This would have to be done with every language
[21:39] <Quintasan> s/language/input method
[21:40] <Quintasan> The question is how do we handle that
[21:40] <ScottK> If we could get to step 5 automatically and the user had to click 5 - 7 by hand, that would still be a huge step forward.
[21:40] <Quintasan> ibus-setup is gui only
[21:40] <Quintasan> Oh, okay
[21:41] <Quintasan> ScottK: That stuff needs to be done in language-selector?
[21:41] <ScottK> That's my guess, but it is a guess.
[21:44] <Quintasan> Okay, I noted down the gist of what we want to get done and will look at it tomorrow
[21:45] <ScottK> Great.  You might reply to the mail saying you're working on it.