[00:05] <diegosx> someone can help me?
[00:11] <renato_saron> PUTZ como usa isso ;P
[00:11] <renato_saron> que paleolítico isso ake
[00:11] <renato_saron> uahhuaHUHUuhHU
[00:12] <genii-around> !br | renato_saron
[00:14] <server_> ola boa noite
[00:15] <genii-around> !br | server_
[02:51] <ben__> how do I join a chat?
[03:08] <DarthFrog> !ask | ben__
[03:32] <uglyoldbob> im having a problem installing kubuntu 12.04 on my uefi system (asrock 970 extreme 3)
[03:32] <uglyoldbob> it keeps rebooting and freezing
[03:35] <DarthFrog> uglyoldbob: Does it run OK from CD?
[03:39] <uglyoldbob> DarthFrog: I will try that now
[03:44] <uglyoldbob> DarthFrog: well it appears to run ok from cd
[03:49] <uglyoldbob> error: prefix is not set as an error on booting (from the UEFI i believe)
[03:51] <DarthFrog> Don't know anything about UEFI, sorry.
[03:53] <DarthFrog> uglyoldbob:  Have a gander at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting   Perhaps that'll have the info you need.
[03:58] <uglyoldbob> well it finally got installed and it boots
[04:01] <uglyoldbob> i think the setting i needed was ide mode for sata and uefi boot of the cd drive
[04:01] <DarthFrog> Good stuff, glad to hear it.
[04:02] <uglyoldbob> or the system I just put together is unstable, i think it just froze up
[04:07] <uglyoldbob> 11.6v seems to low for the 12v rail
[04:08] <DarthFrog> That seems unlikely.  400 mV shouldn't make that kind of difference.
[04:09] <uglyoldbob> hmm i cant do the memory test option from grub
[04:45] <uglyoldbob> well i found out my monitor has bad caps
[04:51] <uglyoldbob> how do i make the taskbar different for each virtual desktop?
[04:55]  * ICWiener has to reboot bbiab
[04:59] <Daskreech> uglyoldbob: You mean only show what's on that desktop?
[05:03] <uglyoldbob> Daskreech: yes
[05:08] <Daskreech> uglyoldbob: Right click on the taskbar -> taskbar settings -> Show only from Desktop
[05:09] <uglyoldbob> ok thanks, i looked everywhere except there
[05:09] <uglyoldbob> or rather, many places other than there
[05:16] <Daskreech> uglyoldbob: Well glad you got it working
[05:16] <Daskreech> You cna play with a lot of stuff in there
[05:16] <Daskreech> (as is usual for KDE settings dialogs)
[05:21] <uglyoldbob> ok joy my comp keeps freezing up
[05:21] <Daskreech> \o/
[05:21] <Daskreech> Joy all around
[05:43] <uglyoldbob> ok so when it locks up, the sound output is all noise (real loud)
[06:05] <skreech__> uglyoldbob: the sound gets louder when it locked up?
[06:23] <uglyoldbob> skreech__: well it only did the sound thing one time, but i can reliably make it freeze/reboot with "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[06:26] <skreech__> uglyoldbob: really?
[06:26] <skreech__> in konsole?
[06:26] <skreech__> that's the GUI?
[06:27] <skreech__> or does it freeze in a tty as well?
[06:28] <uglyoldbob> skreech__: ill check (i think its some bad hardware, even though its all brand new)
[06:30] <uglyoldbob> ctrl_alt_f1 for tty?
[06:38] <uglyoldbob> the whole system crashes/reboots (I run the command from a bash shell running in kde
[06:49] <uglyoldbob> i think perhaps my motherboard picked a speed slightly too fast for my ram (i changed it to the right value and it SEEMS to work so far)
[07:04] <baffone85> i installed ubuntu 10.04 on my notebook compaq mini
[07:05] <baffone85> i have a problem with wireless, can you help me?
[07:08] <uglyoldbob> baffone85: what model?
[07:10] <baffone85> i don't know beacuse there isn't a picture, what can i do to know it?
[07:10] <baffone85> on display there is only compaq mini
[07:11]  * DFrostedWang is going to sleep now
[07:16] <baffone85> i think compaq mini s110
[07:35] <baffone85> can you help me?
[07:36] <SteveRiley> @baffone85: what's up?
[07:37] <baffone85> i installed ubuntu 10.04 on my notebook compaq mini, i have a problem with wireless
[07:37] <baffone85> i have compaq mini s110
[07:37] <SteveRiley> what kind of wireless adapter is in a mini s110?
[07:39] <baffone85> what can i see it?
[07:40] <SteveRiley> open a konsole window
[07:40] <SteveRiley> run lsusb
[07:40] <SteveRiley> copy the output here
[07:42] <baffone85> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:42] <baffone85> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:42] <baffone85> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a5c:21b4 Broadcom Corp.
[07:42] <baffone85> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:42] <baffone85> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[07:43] <FloodBotK1> baffone85: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:43] <baffone85> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1fea:0047
[07:43] <baffone85> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1115154/
[07:44] <SteveRiley> ugh, broadcom wireless... never fun. hold on
[07:46] <baffone85> what can i solve this problem?
[07:50] <SteveRiley> oops. wrong command
[07:51] <SteveRiley> run lspci
[07:51] <SteveRiley> then put in a new paste
[07:54] <baffone85> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1115165/
[08:00] <SteveRiley> have you tried the utility that installs additional drivers?
[08:01] <baffone85> yes but without internet it not work
[08:03] <SteveRiley> you will need to use a wired ethernet connection to install the drivers
[08:04] <baffone85> i haven't wired ethernet
[08:05] <SteveRiley> what? there's no ethernet port on your mini?
[08:07] <baffone85> i haven't a possibility to connect with wired ethernet
[08:09] <TheMiner> trying to install wireless drivers?
[08:09] <SteveRiley> then i really don't know how to guide you, as i've not had to work through that particular problem myself.
[08:10] <SteveRiley> theminer: yeah, baffone85 has broadcom wifi, needs the wl driver, but no ethernet to use to download/install it via jockey
[08:11] <TheMiner> then will need to use another pc to download it and put it on a USB drive
[08:12] <SteveRiley> yup
[08:14] <SteveRiley> i wonder if somewhere on ubuntu forums there might already be a post from someone who's done it that way, and would have step-by-step instructions. worth taking a few minutes to search, i'd think
[08:15] <TheMiner> what is the specific adapter and what version of Ubuntu is he running?
[08:16] <SteveRiley> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1115165/
[08:16] <SteveRiley> ubuntu = 10.04
[08:16] <SteveRiley> system = compaq/hp mini s110
[08:18] <TheMiner> which installation media was used to install Ubuntu?
[08:19] <SteveRiley> i don't know. baffone85, are you still here?
[08:23] <TheMiner> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9263039#post9263039
[08:23] <TheMiner> There is the step by step if he ever comes back online
[08:23] <TheMiner> Best of luck
[08:24] <baffone85> thank's for help
[08:25] <TheMiner> np
[08:25] <TheMiner> If you could somehow find a place where you could jack in with ethernet it would be a lot easier
[08:26] <TheMiner> The issue is not with your wireless adapter,..it is actually with you wired which is causing a glitch with your wireless
[08:27] <SteveRiley> baffone mentioned using wired ethernet isn't an option.
[08:29] <TheMiner> Yeah I saw that,..is too bad,...would be knocking on someones door if I had to lol
[08:30] <TheMiner> time for bed,...early day tomorrow
[08:30] <TheMiner> nite everyone
[08:31] <SteveRiley> nighty night
[09:54] <fmmy> asdf
[09:54] <fmmy> df
[09:54] <fmmy> f
[09:54] <fmmy> f
[09:54] <FloodBotK1> fmmy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:01] <aziz> hey guys, is there some software which can turn my laptop wlan into an access point?
[10:02] <bazhang> !ics | aziz
[10:02] <aziz> bazhang: thanks very much!
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:09] <kubuntu> ciao
[11:09] <kubuntu> !list
[12:56] <livingdaylight> hia
[12:56] <livingdaylight> looking in muon I see a thousand and one versions of java. Which is the openjdk7 version I need?
[12:58] <Ossido> Hello. I have a problem, maybe you can help me.
[12:59] <Ossido> I have the last Kubuntu on my laptop. And eveything was fine until yesterday
[12:59] <Ossido> Yesterday I did one of the automatic updates
[12:59] <Ossido> and now I cannot log in
[12:59] <sally> and?
[13:00] <sally> ouch
[13:00] <Ossido> the login manager hanges right after login
[13:00] <Ossido> also with a newly-created user
[13:00] <sally> try with te sudo command
[13:00] <Ossido> try what?
[13:01] <sally> have you root account?
[13:01] <Ossido> there is no root account...
[13:01] <sally> in the terminal, try su -root
[13:02] <Ossido> ...
[13:02] <Ossido> "invalid option"
[13:03] <Ossido> I think it's some problem with screen resolution/graphic cards, not permissions
[13:03] <sally> i tink is  a kernel
[13:03] <sally> a
[13:04] <Ossido> I tried selecting a previous version at boot, but it's the same
[13:04] <sally> try reboot
[13:04] <Ossido> sure
[13:04] <Ossido> and?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Ossido:  did youtry the recovery kernel ?
[13:04] <Ossido> hmm, no, I did not
[13:04] <Ossido> I'll try now
[13:05] <Ossido> 3.2.0-27-generic (recovery mode)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> choose the repair broken packages dialog
[13:06] <Ossido> it wants to install 10 new packages
[13:06] <Ossido> I go on
[13:06] <Ossido> ok, done
[13:07] <Ossido> resumed normal boot
[13:08] <k0s> Всем привет
[13:08] <BluesKaj> !ru
[13:10] <Ossido> hmm
[13:10] <Ossido> So, now the login manager tells me "failed to load session "gnome""
[13:11] <Ossido> and I don't see a KDE option
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Ossido:  are you on ubuntu ? if so then join #ubuntu chat for support
[13:11] <Ossido> Kubuntu
[13:12] <Ossido> I've always and only used Kde and Kubuntu for years
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Ossido: ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 , login , sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[13:13] <Ossido> oh
[13:14] <Ossido> I was missing kubuntu-desktop
[13:14] <Ossido> this is so strange
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Ossido:  installing kde doesn't include the kubuntu-desktop
[13:15] <BluesKaj> kde is a framework for many differnt OS desktops
[13:16] <Ossido> ok, but this is a kubuntu that I installed moths ago and has worked perfectly well
[13:16] <Ossido> well, anyway :)
[13:17] <Ossido> Ok, it's logging in
[13:18] <Ossido> Thank you very much
[13:18] <Ossido> I was stumped
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Ossido:  np
[13:21] <livingdaylight> hi BluesKaj
[13:22] <jdrs> Anyone using the facebook widget here?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> hi livingdaylight
[13:23] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj: i'm back :s
[13:24] <allix> hello
[13:24] <allix> has anyone tried kubuntu-active?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> allix:  dunno , i don't use a tablet
[13:26] <livingdaylight> can we make it so, that as mouse hovers over menu we dont' have to click on it ? for e.g. if I want to see what is in utilitities i can just go there with my mouse without having to click on it
[13:27] <jdrs> Works on tabs only, methinks.
[13:28] <jdrs> Or how about you use Classic Menu Style.
[13:28] <allix> okay, its just when i get a blank screen with the mouse cursor only , i have tried nomodeset in grub
[13:29] <jdrs> It's more like the gnome shell style menu button.
[13:30] <jdrs> livingdaylight: Use Classic Menu style. It works that way.
[13:31] <livingdaylight> jdrs: not possible to have best of both worlds? I thought kde was infinitely configurable? ;p
[13:32] <livingdaylight> jdrs: but at least a way IS possible, thank you.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> been trying ubuntu lately , unity is aqful and gnome still doesn't do what I like , what's the the terminal permanentlay attcahed to upper left withot resizie or movable options?
[13:34] <jdrs> livingdaylight: If you want to stick with the default application launcher then try pinning all the Utility programs in Favorites.
[13:34] <jdrs> ..that you use
[13:35] <BluesKaj> what's with the terminal
[13:36] <BluesKaj> anyway . I don't use it much , and I'll probly delete it soon
[13:37] <jdrs> That's weird. I can move mine, and even resize it.
[13:40] <livingdaylight> hrmm.. why is konsole in system and not in utilities?
[13:42] <jdrs> Both classic and default have their konsole in systems tab.
[13:42] <Jekyll> livingdaylight: because FDO suggests terminal emulators should go under the "System" category
[13:43] <livingdaylight> Jekyll: who is FDO? coming from gnome i expect it under accessories which utilitites sounds like   the equivalent
[13:44] <jdrs> In the default application launcher you can pin your favorite programs on Favorites tab. Then sort them to your liking.
[13:46] <Jekyll> livingdaylight: FDO is freedekstop.org. gnome-terminal is just not doing it in the suggested way.
[13:49] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[13:51] <livingdaylight> hi phoenix_firebrd
[13:51] <phoenix_firebrd> livingdaylight: hi
[13:52] <livingdaylight> is anyone familiar with command winetricks vcrun6?
[13:52] <livingdaylight> I used to run that after installing wine   in gnome and it always did what I needed it to
[13:52] <bazhang> livingdaylight, try in #winehq
[13:53] <livingdaylight> but, I@m getting this now in kubuntu: http://clip2net.com/s/29O4C
[13:58] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight:  does it work in gnome ?
[14:02] <zvzz> dear all, ive a small question re additional drivers - googleing dint help too much. id appreciate a lot if anyone give a hint. i have 16 drivers listed in additional drivers as activated but not in use. i have kubunutu 11.10 and 4.8.2 from backports. eveything seem to work, though not quite as fast as i wish it did. even desktop effects (though not smooth at all). thanks indeed!
[14:03] <zvzz> sorry for typos
[14:06] <BluesKaj> zvzz:  which hardware drivers are you looking to use or activate?
[14:06] <zvzz> these 16 drivers are for all sorts of things, from USB to video
[14:07] <zvzz> well i had none in that list before.. now there are many.
[14:07] <zvzz> so im thinking should i worry or just leave it alone as long as the computer .. well ... seem to work.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> zvzz:  ok let's start with graphics , give us an example
[14:08] <zvzz> moment :)
[14:10] <zvzz> these are drivers http://clip2net.com/s/29Oca and this is lspci http://clip2net.com/s/29Ocy
[14:14] <BluesKaj> zvzz: sudo lshw -C video
[14:15] <zvzz> here. http://clip2net.com/s/29Of5
[14:16] <livingdaylight> Downloading http://download.microsoft.com/download/vc60pro/update/1/w9xnt4/en-us/vc6redistsetup_enu.exe failed
[14:16] <livingdaylight>  
[14:16] <livingdaylight> i  could try to wget this directly?
[14:17] <livingdaylight> is it simply wget followed by http address?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> zvzz:  I don't see a radeon/ati reference there , have you set the default graphics card in the bios
[14:17] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:18] <zvzz> BluesKaj: well i guess i have nothing from radeion/ati
[14:19] <zvzz> it is presumably the motherboard-buil-in card
[14:19] <BluesKaj> yes, did you install an ati pci card , zvzz?
[14:19] <zvzz> no
[14:20] <zvzz> the video cable goes to the 'standard' slot at the back of the PC, there is no any additional PCI cards in there
[14:22] <BluesKaj> ok zvzz , sorry I got confused , was mixing my supports
[14:23] <zvzz> i have changed the monitor today but i guess it shouldnt matter. i have also dist-upgraded KDE from backports - but i assume driver problems are not connected to that, neither..
[14:23] <zvzz> blueskaj, thanks a lot for your time anyway ;)
[14:24] <BluesKaj> zv  it would be better if you pastebin the text , noit the screenshot
[14:24] <BluesKaj> zvzz: ^
[14:24] <zvzz> i would upgrade to 12.04 but this PC holds a sensitive project and should work stable
[14:25] <zvzz> when I try to pase text the Koversation warns that I threat the channel with flooding
[14:25] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | zvzz
[14:26] <zvzz> ok thanks
[14:26] <BluesKaj> zvzz:  anyway it looks like you have the best drivers installed for your system
[14:27] <zvzz> last time i used irc 18 years ago
[14:27] <zvzz> hm, ok.. thanks a lot. so i shouldnt worry.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> zvzz:  you can do some research , but ti appears there are not other graphics drivers listed that would improve things
[14:30] <BluesKaj> no other
[14:30] <zvzz> thanks indeed BluesKaj :)
[14:57] <dmitry-RV520> русскоговорящие есть?
[14:58] <livingdaylight> for the record does anyone know whether winetricks vcrun6 works or should work in KDE, kubuntu specifically?
[15:33] <Rafael> hello! I want to install the spanish language spell-checker. When I go to system settings and the to locale -> system languages I can only install spanish translations
[15:34] <Rafael> any tip?
[15:42] <BadDesign> How to re-enable KDE Network Manager after it was disabled when I configure my PPPoE connection ?
[15:42] <BadDesign> I want use it again for non-PPPoE connections but I can't enable it
[15:42] <BadDesign> I used pppoeconf command to configure PPPoE
[15:46] <BadDesign> Anyone?
[16:10] <livingdaylight> ded quiet here
[16:12] <BluesKaj> well, I dumped ubuntu ... I gave it a chance for 2 weeks but none of the desktops made me want to go back to it.
[16:12] <TheLordOfTime> BluesKaj:  so no Kubuntu for you?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> guess I'm just a dyed in the wool KDE guy
[16:14] <BluesKaj> kubuntu yes , ...ubuntu no , that's what i mean , TheLordOfTime
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> just checking ;P
[16:16]  * BluesKaj understands why the migration to kubuntu is increasing
[16:17] <Rafael> hello! I want to install the spanish language spell-checker. When I go to system settings and the to locale -> system languages I can only install spanish translations but no spell check
[16:17] <Rafael> am I missing something?
[16:18] <Smurphy> u installed ispell ???
[16:18] <BluesKaj> one thing I should warn ppl about , if you try to resize a partition on a separate HDD with the kubuntu parttion manager,  beware it'll break grub
[16:18] <Rafael> hmm not sure, the English spell check works
[16:31] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj: i'm kinda opposite. I keep trying kde
[16:57] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Which is why Linux is great :)
[16:58] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: meh :/
[16:59] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Try Windows 8 and don't like it and you pretty much have to stick with it in a few years anyway
[16:59] <Daskreech> !info ispanish | Rafael
[16:59] <Daskreech> Linux usually gives you enough choices to freeze the mind and very little cost for switching between them
[17:00] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: I'm not feeling at home anywhere in gnu/linux os world
[17:01] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: What's the issues?
[17:02] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: Used to use and love Ubuntu or Gnome if you will... but Unity isn't functional for me, so, try kubuntu but its not home. I find it ugly tbh
[17:02] <Rafael> thanks Daskreech, I did just that. Had to restart Kmail to make it work
[17:03] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Have you tried MATE?
[17:03] <Daskreech> Rafael: Ok Good :)
[17:04] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: By Gnome I presume you meant GNOME2 ?
[17:05] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: yes, I did... can't remember which distro though, lol. but is that the way forward, when developmentally gnome2 isn't carrying on, is it?
[17:06] <livingdaylight> I'm ok with change and evolution, and i'm not a unity hater. its just it feels unstable and isn't quite giving me the functionality.
[17:07] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: idealogically there are two ways forward. There is a fork of GNOME2 which keeps developers or a fork of GNOME3 which has the intention of keeping GNOME2 features
[17:07] <Daskreech> Either works with caveats of course
[17:08] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: I like the sound of GNOME3 keeping GNOME2 features. my understanding is that gnome 3 from a developers point of view IS the way forward
[17:08] <Daskreech> the danger is not so much that "GNOME2" isn't being worked on. If the fork is worked on then it's fine. The danger is more that Gtk2 isn't being worked on
[17:08] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: In that case look at Cinammon
[17:09] <Daskreech> I think... let me just make sure I have those projects correct in my head
[17:11] <livingdaylight> the danger if it is a danger, certainly my complaint, regarding "choice" which you mentioned, as much as its Linux's strength is also its weakness. I fear too much energy goes into duplication of efforts, and linux ends up being jack of all trades master of none. Linux land doesn't need another distro or fork-off development of a distro... It needs focus . After all collaboration is also Linux 's strength, and
[17:11] <livingdaylight> sometimes I wish we had 2, 3, 4, 5 REALLY good distros rather than +100 that are all a constant work in progress
[17:12] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Why not just one distro then?
[17:12] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: i read a MATE vs Cinnamon article recently that spoke of the pros and cons of each also from a developmental point of view
[17:14] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: errr...well, I used to, but since I feel forced to make a change I can't settle on a different one. I tried kubuntu, in fact have jrest reinstalled it on my desktoop, and also chakra (to see a different kde distro and coz I like the sound of rollin distro) and Deepin (gnome shell) voyager (xubuntu fork-off) and considering trying Bodhi on laptop
[17:15] <livingdaylight> I was dismayed to run into a problem today post kubuntu install running winetricks vcrun6 which I'be running for years to finetune my wine installation
[17:16] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: oh? What's the issue with that?
[17:17] <livingdaylight> otherwise i find kubuntu or kde 4.x.x beautiful to log into with the plasma look, but underneath all the configuration setting dialogs , the menu and the way apps like firefox in kde is not aethetically pleasing, imho.
[17:18] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: got some error when I did, I@ve logged in and out now too many times to be able to show you. It wsan't connecting to microzoft server i believe, for some reason
[17:19] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: ok let me try it now
[17:24] <Daskreech> Yep broken
[17:24] <Daskreech> That's fixable though
[17:24] <Daskreech> MS moved the file it seems
[17:28] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: http://download.microsoft.com/download/vc60pro/Update/1/W9XNT4/EN-US/VC6RedistSetup_enu.exe there you go
[17:29] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: They changed the name of the file and the directory it was in
[17:29] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: if you'd like you can poke someone in #winehq and ask they update the script
[17:33] <Daskreech> Actually that file is missing as well
[17:34] <Daskreech> Hmm foiled again
[17:34] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: ooops, I was about to say congrats
[17:35] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: I can fix it in other ways :) It's looking for a msvcp60.dll file which I can find
[17:35] <livingdaylight> sounds like something that would have happend on any othre distro too though. Must be a recent change as I only ran that successfully a few days ago
[17:35] <Daskreech>  I just want to see if MS really has all the documentation to use vc6 on their site with no actual way to use it
[17:36] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: I'd guess so they still have all the tutorials on MSDN pointing to one of those two URLs
[17:36] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: no, don't worry about it. the file I needed was mfc42 and I was able to find it and physically copy and paste it along with other fonts into the wine/windows directory myself.
[17:37] <livingdaylight> vcrun6 was just the simpler, "elegant" way of doing it. i feared it was somehow kubunt related that it didn't work today, but its clearly not a WM or distro-specific issue
[17:38] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: You can use http://download.microsoft.com/download/vc60pro/Update/2/W9XNT4/EN-US/VC6RedistSetup_deu.exe
[17:38] <Daskreech> that works
[17:38] <Daskreech> still requires a little work. MS changed the package it seems
[17:38] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: so, if I pop over to winehq and suggest that this is the working one, then they can update it, huh?
[17:39] <Daskreech> not sure what the deu is for <_<
[17:39] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: it's winehq. They probably have it updated already :)
[17:39] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: Deutschland?
[17:39] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: can't hurt though. check over there and see what they say
[17:39] <livingdaylight> well, earlier when I did go in winehq to ask abou tit, they didn't seem to be aware about it
[17:40] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Ah. Astute
[17:40] <Daskreech> Ok lets hop over there then
[17:50] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: thanks amigo
[17:50] <Daskreech> sure :)
[17:51] <livingdaylight> I hope that helps them and everyone out.
[17:53] <livingdaylight> does kubuntu come with an equivalent to gparted by default? Need to reformat usb to fat32 unless there is a wardly way of doing it via command line
[17:54] <chronos> hello people. I'm trying to install kde telepathy 4 (http://www.kubuntu.org/ktp-0.4) but after installing ppa and update I can't find packages from ppa
[17:55] <chronos> someone have ideas/
[17:55] <chronos> ?
[18:09] <Daskreech> !info partitionmanager | livingdaylight
[18:10] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: found it - thanks :)
[18:11] <livingdaylight> but unetbootin isn't playing nice. keeps saying I need to mount usb first and suggesting I remove it and reinsert it, which I've done twice now, having reformatted it too
[18:11] <Daskreech> chronos: kde-telepathy
[18:12] <livingdaylight> ok, done
[18:13] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: in one youtube review  I heard mention one can make a global menu in kde also. Said he'd give links as to how to, but actually didn't. Do you know anything about this?
[18:16] <Daskreech> yesish
[18:16] <Daskreech> I've never done it since KDE3 but there is one ...
[18:18] <livingdaylight> ok
[18:18] <rork> livingdaylight: with global menu, you mean a menu on a panel rather then the window right?
[18:19] <livingdaylight> rork: not sure what you mean by rather than the window. Global Menu integrates an applications menu panel to the panel at the top, like in Ubuntu or on Apples
[18:21] <poetic_algebra> xbar is apparently one
[18:21] <poetic_algebra> but it only works with qt apps
[18:21] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: that's what he means. Most windowing systems have the menus tied to the window instead of the deskspace
[18:22] <rork> livingdaylight: you're looking for the 'window menu' widget then, you can add that to a panel
[18:23] <livingdaylight> rork: cool, I'll give that a whirl later
[18:24] <livingdaylight> poetic_algebra: that would be fine. In Unity not All apps integrate either, but increasingly more and more do. What I like about it, is that it leaves more screenestate as it is one strip less.
[18:27] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: are you going to file a bug on the winetricks?
[18:28] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: yes.
[18:28] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: have you already?
[18:28] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: I had a look but need to register so i can log in... so, postponed it as I was doing other things as well already
[18:29] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: ?? I don't think you have to register
[18:29] <Daskreech> Well I'll find out in a second
[18:29] <livingdaylight> says 'login' at top. Most sites with that usually require it
[18:29] <Daskreech> Oh never mind it's using my gmail account as a login
[18:30] <Daskreech> Curse you google and your useful invading ways!
[18:30] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: do you want to log it? You'll be better and quicker at communiting what they need to know.
[18:30] <livingdaylight> you got that techy lingo down :)
[18:33] <Daskreech> I'm about to hit submit
[18:33] <shadeslayer> chronos: \o
[18:33] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: brilliant - i'll read it then
[18:42] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: http://code.google.com/p/winetricks/issues/detail?id=237
[18:44] <livingdaylight> Daskreech: absolutely brilliant
[18:56] <paolina> buona serata a tutti
[18:57] <paolina> qualcuno mi spiega come si usa sto programma
[18:57] <Unit193> !it
[19:02] <livingdaylight> ciao paolina
[19:02] <paolina> ciao
[19:02] <paolina> ma non sono nel canale dove si scrive inglese?
[19:03] <paolina> mai usato sto programma
[19:03] <livingdaylight> no parla tropo italiano
[19:03] <livingdaylight> si, en este canale deve scrivire inglese
[19:04] <livingdaylight> escrive: < /join ##ubuntu-it >
[19:04] <livingdaylight> !it | paolina
[19:05] <livingdaylight> paolina: mi piaggio italiano, me non parlare bastanto bene :)
[19:38] <olskolirc> Let's all toll the bell for Kubuntu 12.04
[19:41] <Daskreech> olskolirc: Hmm?
[19:48] <Daskreech> haha http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ ran me through some questions and said We suggest you use Kubuntu
[19:53] <genii-around> Daskreech: I notice the copyright date is last year
[19:54] <paolina> #ubuntu-it
[20:28] <olskolirc> Canonical said they are not supporting the Kubuntu Desktop financially anymore  as of 12.04 being the last Kubuntu distribution
[20:28]  * olskolirc thinks she put it nicely
[21:19] <Daskreech> olskolirc: Ah well that's not as big a deal as people seem to think
[21:25] <olskolirc> does that mean no more Kubuntu-Desktops Daskreech ?
[21:25] <Daskreech> olskolirc: No it will still be here.
[21:25] <Daskreech>  They were paying a developer to work on Kubuntu
[21:26] <Daskreech> They are not paying him anymore but they are still hosting the packages and doing the build work as well as doing the bug reports etc
[21:26] <olskolirc> good.
[21:26] <Daskreech>  The developer went to a new company who is paying him to do the same thing he did before so for pretty much most things nothing has changed
[21:28] <rork> I thought that what changed is that Kubuntu/KDE now has two paid developers instead of 1 ;)
[21:29] <Quintasan> rork: We have more...do we? :P
[21:32] <rork> I don't know, I only heard Blue System is now paying the guy from Cannonical and also hired Aurélien
[21:44] <dougpad> Hello
[21:51] <Daskreech> dougpad: hi
[22:41] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: they have commited a fix for the winetricks
[22:41] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, awesome - that was quick!
[22:42] <Daskreech> :-) One of the fun parts of an open system is being able to actually speak freely and get things done.
[22:44] <livingdaylight> :)
[22:44] <livingdaylight> its empowering feeling to be able to speak and get (instant) feedback
[22:44] <livingdaylight> nice one
[22:48] <Daskreech>  I remember that i was using Pidgin née gaim and it had a new release. I downloaded it and found something broken. It didn't make sense to me that it wouldn't work so I pulled the changes up and say some code that looked like it should work but did nothing. Dropped into the IRC chan and started discussing it. They found the non working section tracked it to another change based on what I was seeing happen and then issued a new version the morning after.
[22:49] <Daskreech> Consider me hooked after years of being annoyed by thing in Dos and Windows that I can't ever get resolved
[22:51] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, indeed. Don't get me wrong I'm a lover of Freedom and Free Software
[22:51] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: I know it's just really addicting when it works correctly :)
[22:52] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, also when one has some coding skillz
[22:52] <livingdaylight> I'm just a supporter and advocate of FSF and open-source
[22:52] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: then it's just silly considering other things unless your goal is to fleece :)
[22:55] <kubuntu> hi
[22:59] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, that fleecing shit's got to go :)
[23:02] <Daskreech> !ohmy
[23:02] <Daskreech> But yes
[23:05] <livingdaylight> ;)
[23:07] <livingdaylight> I was adapting a jacque fresco quote where he says: "...this s***'s got to go" referring to our entire socio-economic paradigm
[23:09] <Daskreech> Yeah I've been saying that since 2nd year of High school
[23:09] <Daskreech>  Good luck with that
[23:10] <Daskreech> Most people don't even understand it so forget critiquing it much less coming up with a suitable long term paradigm
[23:31] <nobodhi> Daskreech, is there a distro that you know of that specializes in running optimally on laptops?
[23:38] <Daskreech> nobodhi: What would be the constraints of a laptop?
[23:46] <nobodhi> Daskreech, my laptop runs on the hot side, and from what I've read linux has / has had issues running optimally on laptops. By optimally, i mean power, cpu-temp sensors . I'm not sure - not techy enough. but when I bought this laptops i chose it because it ran particularly cool on windows
[23:47] <Daskreech> nobodhi: ah fair enough I'll take a look
[23:47] <Daskreech> nobodhi: THough you could ask in ##linux
[23:48] <nobodhi> Daskreech, sure, i was just asking like that in case you knew off the top of your head. *bunto seems best generally when it comes to hard-ware detection and laptops but in general like
[23:50] <Daskreech> Yeah it's strange since you want one that doesn't tax the computer but you also want one that has newer code totake advantage of power savings on CPU and GPU
[23:53] <nobodhi> I've always gone for bells and whistles - aethetically pleasing distros Gnome /Kde but figured i'd compromise by going for a 'lighter' distro like xfce, but have found that it doesn't work like that. in fact kubuntu ran cooler on this laptop than voyager (french fork based on xubuntu)