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TeamRocket1233cHiya! Should I decide to use Ubuntu for reals, I'm going with Xubuntu.00:21
Unit193It's all up to you, but I'm sure several here would say go with Xubuntu. :P00:24
TeamRocket1233cI'm aiming more for it than Lubuntu, Kubuntu, or Ubuntu.00:24
David-ATeamRocket1233c: Both are good, different taste. Only if your computer is very old the selection of distros is more limited.00:25
TeamRocket1233cDavid-A: Or if you just prefer lighter-weight distros.00:25
Unit193You could try each for a week and see what you think.00:26
Unit193Even a day with a liveUSB could do it.00:26
TeamRocket1233cUnit193: I tried Karmic Koala last year in school 'cause the disc for it was nearby, and liked it, but that was pre-Unity.00:26
TeamRocket1233cUnit193: Not sure how well Unity would do based on the bad buzz I've picked up about it before.00:27
Unit193There are qutie a few that do actually like it, but others don't, as with everything.00:27
TeamRocket1233cIn addition, just prefer a more traditional desktop.00:28
Unit193That's one big reason to use Xfce/LXDE over gnome-shell/unity/KDE.00:28
TeamRocket1233cUnit193: Also, Xfce's more customizable, and you have more control over how you customize it.00:29
David-ATeamRocket1233c: I think most bad fuzz is people are not used to it, they expected gnome and was dissapointed. There are some realy good design ideas in unity. But, as I see it there are some bad things too, that can be polished by time. Don't care too much about fuzz. Try it yourself. Its free.00:29
TeamRocket1233cUnit193: That's part of it.00:29
TeamRocket1233cUnit193: Although I tested GNOME Shell on F16 and liked it, it was just a little more awkward than I'm used to.00:30
TeamRocket1233cUnit193: Got used to Openbox in Crunchbang Statler really quickly, other than getting used to having to right-click to pull up a menu, it's actually kinda easy to use.00:33
Unit193Openbox is great, that's for sure.00:33
TeamRocket1233cUnit193: And Fluxbox is essentially a more refined Openbox.00:33
TeamRocket1233cUnit193: Tested out Fluxbox on Tiny Core and found it as easy to use as Openbox, as for FLWM, also tested out in Tiny Core, it was almost unusable. JWM sorta reminded me of Windows 98 when I tried it in Puppy, plenty usable, but pretty ugly.00:35
Unit193There's quite a few to pick from, and with Ubuntu !mini, you can make it your "own" os.  If you wanted to generally chat DEs/WMs, you can join me in #xubuntu-offtopic too. :D00:37
TeamRocket1233cBRB. Dinner.01:47
TeamRocket1233cBack!02:15
TeamRocket1233cI'ma go for the night, I'll be back whenever, bye! -wave-03:11
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DarkSimI'm using Ubuntu 12.04, I'm also trying to use Xfce with that but I get heaps of bugs and errors, can someone help me with this?12:45
holsteinDarkSim: id say, pick an easy one, and share it.. are you using the xubuntu-desktop metapackage?12:45
DarkSimI'm quite the Linux beginner sorry12:46
DarkSimI don't think I'm using xubuntu metapackage12:46
holsteinno worries.. you say you are using ubuntu, how did you get xfce?12:46
DarkSimI think I ran some sudo -apt get xfce4 or something similar12:47
holsteinDarkSim: look and see what you "ran"12:47
DarkSimI did that a few days ago12:47
DarkSimcan I still find it?12:48
holsteinyou can either lookin your browswer history for whatever link you used, or open a terminal and type "history"12:48
DarkSimDamn, one of these Xfce bugs don't let me use Terminal (can't type) gonna have to switch to Unity for now12:48
holsteinDarkSim: whats the error?12:49
DarkSimI don't have any top areas on the windows like maximize and drag to move and those things12:49
holsteinah... you tried to add compiz?12:49
DarkSimand if I set Xfce to default DE whenever I boot up the computer I don't have a cursor visible12:49
DarkSimI don't have compiz as far as I know12:49
holsteini would try sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop , and try running the xubuntu session instead of the XFCE one12:50
holsteinDarkSim: carefully read about what is going to be installed and removed and make sure that is OK12:51
DarkSimSo let's see, sudo apt-get xfce-desktop, right?12:57
baizonsudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop12:57
holsteinDarkSim: i would try the exact command that baizon and i have suggested12:58
holsteininstalling the xubuntu-destkop meta-package instead of xfce alone12:58
holsteinlogin to the xubuntu session instead of the XFCE one, and see what you get... report if you need more assistance12:59
DarkSimI'm gonna try Xfce and Lxde and see which I like the most. Xfce looks better while Lxde apparently is faster12:59
DarkSimOk, I think I already had the DE option called Xfce Session though, we'll see when I've installed the package though13:00
baizonLXDE got less features13:01
DarkSimIn what senses, about where I should have my bars and these tiny features?13:02
DarkSim_holstein: Now I can move windows again13:07
DarkSim_but I don't have maximize and minimize still13:07
DarkSim_holstein: you know the window manager options in settings? I can't enter those settings13:08
DarkSim_holstein?13:13
DarkSimholstein: I've got it to work properly now, looks really good. Thanks for the help! :D14:15
Kingsyanyone in here run an AMD graphics card ?14:16
holsteinDarkSim: enjoy!.. im in and out of internet for about the next week... glad you got something you are liking!14:17
holsteinKingsy: i have a few14:17
holsteini typically use the out of the box open driver with ATI14:17
Kingsyit acutally looks like I installed the driver.. 1 sec.. reboot14:18
DarkSimIt's more or less for my father who does regular basic stuff on this14:20
DarkSimwanted it to look like it always has been (all-life windows user) but a bit more easy on the old hardware14:20
holsteincool.. hope it works out... its not windows14:20
DarkSimTakes about 56.7 seconds to boot it up now, than the basically 2-3 minutes14:20
holsteinmy mom uses linux all the time, but she didnt have a computer before that, so there was no unlearning14:21
holsteinmy grandma had a windows machine, and could never find 'solitare' in linux ;)14:21
Kingsyholstein: it worked I installed the driver ok.. but for some reason it has defaulted to clone display on both of my monitors... how do you change that setting?14:21
DarkSimOne thing though holstein, will Xfce make those update manager things hop up like it does in Unity or is it manual now?14:21
holsteinKingsy: i sometimes use a knoppix or a pupply linux live CD to create a custom xorg.conf, but i would try arandr14:22
holsteinDarkSim: its all open, depends on how you have it configured... for other users, i typically turn auto updates off, and just do it when i see them, or leave an ssh tunnel, or teamviewer somewhere14:23
DarkSimBecause it used to fire up Update Manager and say like "woop woop 40 update is here" and then I had to bring that window up and press accept14:24
Kingsycool I will look into that14:24
Kingsybrb14:24
DarkSimSince I want the system to some sort of sell-sufficient, I'll turn on auto updates14:27
DarkSimto be some sort of self-sufficient*14:27
holsteinsure, but a kernel upgrade can break the system, and does your pop really konw what that means?14:32
holsteini mean, an out of date kernel is not as big a deal as keeping windows up to date (arguably)14:33
holsteindo what you like, im just staing what i do after having left 20+ non technical folks with auto update running.. they dont update, they just read the nag and think something is broken typically14:34
DarkSimIf something breaks I'll blame you, no worries :)14:37
DarkSimNah, thanks again, finally I can leave the DE hunt once and for all14:37
holsteinhehe.. you can try, but your pops wont be calling me asking for XP back ;)14:38
drcAnyone have an answer for http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12135412  ??14:42
DarkSimRight now it's more a shout from across the house though14:43
DarkSimDamn this DE looks stunning, in a basic kind of way14:43
DarkSimholstein: You don't happen to know how to change the forced grid system on the desktop?14:46
DarkSimWhat I mean is, to not snap icons to a grid system14:48
holsteinDarkSim: refernce http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-197861.html and see if you can get anywhere with it15:00
holsteinSystem > Settings > Desktop Settings > Behavior to get to the icon sizing function. The desktop icon positions are configured (stored) in ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/icons.screen0.rc (in particular)15:01
DarkSimThe thing is that I need big icons so my father can see what it is, so I can't shrink them as a solution15:01
DarkSimlogging out quickly15:02
holsteini wouldnt think that would be a good solution.. tbh, i havent clicked on an icon on a system of my own for several years15:02
holsteinhttp://dreamlinuxforums.org/index.php?topic=7614.015:04
Kingsyholstein: you still around?15:34
holsteinfor a minute.. whats up Kingsy ?15:35
Kingsyjust wondered if you have ever used amdcccle to control your radeon card.. what whichever you have?15:35
KingsyI am having two problems..15:36
holsteini have really only use the open driver that comes "out of the box"15:36
Kingsyone, the AMD Catalyst control center keeps randomly crashing.. and two I cant get more than 2 outputs to work..15:36
KingsyI bought this card because it has a display port and therefore can do 3 outputs at once15:36
holsteinin one case, i tried the open one, then the proprietary one, then i switched hardware15:36
holsteinKingsy: i wouldnt expect all those functions to wrok15:37
holsteinwork*15:37
holsteini would probably try reading up on what driver version works best and with what kernel version15:37
Kingsywell its fine that they don't.. but I need to get the 3 outputs working.. or it totally defeats the point of buying the card15:37
Kingsyhmm.. I wouldnt know where to start15:37
holsteinKingsy: i wouldnt expect all the functions to work, such as the multiple outs15:37
holsteinKingsy: i would literally go to the amd site and read up on the driver you are using15:38
Kingsywell it kinda needs too.. heh so I need to find a way really15:38
holsteinsee i a certain kernel version is suggested15:38
holsteinKingsy: there may be no way that AMD will allow us to support those multiple outputs15:38
holsteini have no idea, im just saying, that may never work15:39
KingsyI really hope that isnt true..15:39
Kingsyif it is I have just wasted 130 pound15:39
holsteinKingsy: hope wont work... you can ask AMD15:39
holsteinwhen purchasing for linux, i save all reciepts15:39
holsteinim not saying it wont work, im just saying, theres also no reason why its guaranteed that it will15:40
holsteini would not be afraid of trying 10.04 personally15:40
KingsyI am gutted15:40
holsteinyeah? ...im just saying, dont get your hopes up15:41
holsteinAMD doesnt officially support linux15:41
holsteinyou might get it working.. first place i would look is the kernel, then the driver version15:41
Kingsywhat do you mean by "look" at the kernal? what am I looking for ?15:42
holsteinKingsy: the driver is written expecting a certain kernel version15:42
holsteinif AMD writes that driver for kernel 2.6, and you are using a 3.x one, then i would expect issues15:43
holsteinKingsy: i have absolutely no idea if that is true, im just suggesting a place to research15:43
Kingsyah ok15:43
holsteinit should say in the docs for the driver you are using15:43
holsteinthere should be an older version of the driver15:44
holsteinif you want "out of the box easy", go with intel... though sometimes that doesnt work great either15:44
cheetah97anybody here?15:49
holsteinhey cheetah97 ... just ask, and if anyone knows, they'lll answer15:49
Kingsyholstein: I actually think I have bought the wrong cable :S15:49
Kingsyyou need an active converter I think15:49
cheetah97i can't download any torrents, please help15:49
holsteinKingsy: i would try getting one working, and working well... and go from there15:49
holsteincheetah97: for the installation media? you can use ftp or http15:50
holsteinhttp://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/15:50
Kingsyholstein: I am using it now.. it does work.. just fine.. I guess I need this other cable15:50
holsteinunder the torrent links15:50
cheetah97holstein: no, i want to download a game15:51
holsteinwhat is the error?15:51
cheetah97i add a torrent and it hangs at 0.0%15:51
cheetah97ANY torrent hangs15:51
holsteincheetah97: i would try another torrent client..15:52
holsteinyou can try starting the torrent client from the command line and see what the errors are15:52
cheetah970 from 0 seeders connected - this is the status15:52
holsteincheetah97: if there are 0 seeders, you wont get it15:53
cheetah97utorrent says "Port is not opened. Downloading allowed"15:53
holsteincheetah97: i would try a known good torrent.. the xubuntu iso torrent, or the ubuntu one15:53
cheetah97holstein, ANY torrent hangs15:53
holsteinwhat are you trying to download? maybe ask the dev for an ftp link15:54
holsteincheetah97: the ubuntu torrent hanges?15:54
cheetah97no, the download hangs15:54
holsteincheetah97: 0 seeders means just that... there are 0 folks to get it from15:54
cheetah97it hangs on 0.0%15:54
holsteincheetah97: are you behing a proxy?15:54
cheetah97no... maybe. I use a wi-fi router in a "gateway" mode (NAT on)15:56
holsteincheetah97: you can bypass that if you'd like to confirm its not the issue15:57
cheetah97???15:57
holsteincheetah97: the router... you can plug one computer right into the modem if you think the router is the issue15:57
cheetah97ok, i'll try now15:58
holsteincheetah97: have you tried another client? have you tried the actual "known-good" ubuntu torrents?15:58
holsteinwhat are you trying to download?15:58
cheetah97starship tycoon from The Pirate Bay15:58
holsteinthis is where i suggest you get that game https://secure.bmtmicro.com/servlets/Orders.ShoppingCart?CID=2899&PRODUCTID=2899000215:59
holsteini wont help you otherwise.. good luck !15:59
cheetah97*facepalm*16:00
cheetah97uTorrent says that it can't connect to a tracker16:00
Daniel____hi, I'm having trouble installing xubuntu with Wubi16:28
Daniel____I ran it earlier, and then I could choose Xubuntu (but I didn't install)16:29
holsteinDaniel____: ran it? the installer? are you seeing ubuntu at boot up in the windows boot loader?16:29
Daniel____but now it only gives me the choice of installing Ubuntu...16:29
holsteinit? the installer? the boot loader option?16:29
Daniel____the installer16:30
holsteinyou dont click the installer anymore, you just click install from inside windows the one time16:30
Daniel____I have never gone beyond the first "screen" in the installer16:30
holsteinDaniel____: you'll need to complete the installer once16:30
Daniel____I have never installed anything16:30
Daniel____Yes, but I want to install Xubuntu...16:31
holsteinOK16:31
Daniel____...and I never get the option of choosing Xubuntu...16:31
Daniel____only Ubuntu16:31
holsteinyou can install whatever you have, ubuntu i assume, and then install the xubuntu-desktop metapackage afterwards16:31
holsteinyou can download the xubuntu imagne and see if there is a wubi.exe on it.. i cant recal16:32
holsteinrecall*16:32
holsteinyou can put the xubuntu.iso in the same directory as wubi when you run it16:32
Daniel____I tried putting the Lubuntu image in the same directory (just becouse I have it, and to try) and disconnect Internet, but STILL only Ubuntu in the drop-down menu16:34
holsteinDaniel____: right.. i would try that, and expect the installer to use that iso16:34
holsteinlubuntu and xubuntu are ubuntu16:34
holsteinDaniel____: or, just use the ubuntu one, and switch after install16:34
Unit193!purexubuntu16:35
Unit193!purexfce16:35
ubottuIf you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »16:35
holsteinhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1961647 Daniel____16:35
Daniel____yes, but I'd rather install Xubuntu directly, so I thought maybe someone might know what could be wrong16:35
holsteinsuggests what i am saying16:35
holsteinDaniel____: if you would rather, then i say install xubuntu directly.. if that is too problematic, i say take the path of least resistence, which will render the same final result16:36
Daniel____but no ideas on how to fix the installer problem then?16:37
holsteinDaniel____: its not a problem16:37
holsteinyou do the install with the xubuntu.iso in place16:37
holsteinin wont give xubuntu as an option.. you just install ubuntu, and end up with xubuntu, which is ubuntu with xfce16:38
holsteinyou have, in the same directory under windows.. wubi.exe, and xubuntu.iso16:38
holsteininstall ubuntu, and you (should) end up with xubuntu16:38
Daniel____ah16:38
Daniel____i'll try that then16:39
Daniel____and maybe i should remove ubunu.iso from hard drive16:39
Daniel____:)16:39
Daniel____still seems like there is some wubi bug though16:40
Daniel____or maybe something with the servers right now16:40
Daniel____but thanks for the help guys!16:41
holsteinDaniel____: i would make sure only the *.iso you want to use is in that directory with wubi.exe16:41
Daniel____yes, will do!16:42
Daniel____and no internet...16:42
holsteinwell, you'll see if its trying to download16:42
Daniel____it's supposed to look like it's downloading, even though it doesn't, I read...16:43
holsteinDaniel____: dont know what it "looks" like.. i just know if it goes pretty quick to the install, or sets there for 20+ minutes downloading16:44
Daniel____yes, indeed16:46
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fuskHow does one create a new button in the dropdown menu in the powermangement menu ?22:30
elsucoHi there... Is there anyway in finding out, what xfce4-settings-helper is doing right now? I'm running Xubuntu 12.04.23:38
GreatDantonDoes anybody knows when will be xubuntu 12.04.01 released (if it will be)?23:54
bazhangLate August iirc23:55
bazhangaround 3 weeks from now23:55
GreatDantonThank you bazhang23:57

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