| david0rk | Hi all | 02:30 |
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| david0rk | anyone on? or napping? | 02:32 |
| * PatrickDK beats david0rk for disturbing the peace | 02:32 | |
| david0rk | sorry! just looking for info on a module. cant find the source anywhere, but its here in my kernel. | 02:33 |
| PatrickDK | then it's in the kernel source | 02:33 |
| david0rk | well, yeah. | 02:33 |
| david0rk | but its not. | 02:33 |
| david0rk | lol. | 02:33 |
| david0rk | or, maybe i cant find it is a better way to describe the situation. | 02:34 |
| david0rk | i just want to rebuild 1 module, due to a vendor changing an ID on a device... | 02:34 |
| david0rk | i've found the headers and makefile... | 02:34 |
| david0rk | just no .c files\ | 02:34 |
| trism | david0rk: which module, out of curiosity | 02:35 |
| david0rk | au0828 | 02:35 |
| david0rk | and i understand by changing the id and rebuilding the module, i'm responsible for any segfaults, or crashing and burning of my system. | 02:36 |
| david0rk | i will take my segfault like a man if one does result. | 02:36 |
| PatrickDK | your responsible for that even if you don't :) | 02:36 |
| david0rk | true. | 02:37 |
| david0rk | wait a damned minute. | 02:37 |
| trism | david0rk: drivers/media/video/au0828/ | 02:37 |
| david0rk | the source package is just a tarball.... not the actual expanded source. | 02:38 |
| david0rk | derp. i kinda figured apt-get would magically unpack it for me. | 02:38 |
| trism | david0rk: yes | 02:38 |
| david0rk | sorry, i love apt. years on fedora and opensuse... the horror. Kinda forget sometimes apt doesn't allways DWIM. | 02:40 |
| trism | david0rk: if you: apt-get source package_name; it will unpack it, but linux-source is just a binary package for the tarball, I imagine it is assumed most won't actually build in /usr/src/ | 02:43 |
| david0rk | nooooooo! the driver was scrapped in 3.0 | 02:50 |
| trism | david0rk: are you sure? I see it in linus's tree in drivers/media/video/au0828/ | 02:53 |
| david0rk | yeah, this is a syntek card | 02:53 |
| david0rk | { USB_DEVICE(0x05e1, 0x0400),.driver_info = AU0828_BOARD_SYNTEK_TELEDONGLE } < from kernel source from 08 | 02:53 |
| david0rk | old source http://pastebin.com/8tvpcged | 02:56 |
| david0rk | http://pastebin.com/v4qCqCTE < new source. completely removed the syntek code. | 02:57 |
| david0rk | particularly the USB_DEVICE(0x05e1, 0x0400), .driver_info = AU0828_BOARD_SYNTEK_TELEDONGLE bit, which should be 0x0480 for my device. | 02:57 |
| david0rk | oh well, more tinkering. maybe theres a seperate module elsewhere | 02:58 |
| david0rk | Yaay, back. | 03:22 |
| david0rk | found disturbing things. | 03:22 |
| david0rk | sudo insmod /lib/modules/3.2.0-27-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/au0828/au0828.ko insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/3.2.0-27-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/au0828/au0828.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module | 03:22 |
| david0rk | and thats with no modifications. | 03:23 |
| IdleOne | simplew: link is in the topic | 03:24 |
| simplew | where can i download the quantal live cd daily build? | 03:25 |
| IdleOne | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ | 03:25 |
| simplew | IdleOne: thats not LIVE cd | 03:26 |
| IdleOne | yes it is | 03:27 |
| simplew | IdleOne: it says desktop CD, i dont see any there saying its live | 03:27 |
| IdleOne | even says so in the url | 03:27 |
| simplew | only in the url | 03:28 |
| IdleOne | the desktop cd is the Live cd | 03:28 |
| IdleOne | The desktop CD allows you to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all. | 03:28 |
| IdleOne | The only way for that to happen is for it to be live | 03:28 |
| IdleOne | you might want to read the warning on that page also before you complain it doesn't fit on a cd | 03:29 |
| simplew | IdleOne: your right sorry, but i have unsqached and in boot theres no vmlinux file | 03:29 |
| simplew | IdleOne: i mean i did unsquashfs | 03:30 |
| simplew | and it in /boot theres no vmlinux file to boot, so how is going to to boot' | 03:30 |
| simplew | IdleOne: see http://privatepaste.com/0383b3d9f1 | 03:32 |
| simplew | and inside /boot/grub theres a single file: gfxblacklist.txt | 03:32 |
| IdleOne | yeah, that is something I know nothing about, sorry. | 03:33 |
| simplew | IdleOne: whats the url to get alpha3 live cd? | 03:33 |
| trism | simplew: the kernel that is booted isn't in the squashfs | 03:33 |
| IdleOne | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/quantal/alpha-3/ | 03:34 |
| simplew | IdleOne: and thats the live cd? | 03:35 |
| trism | simplew: as is the last link IdleOne gave | 03:35 |
| IdleOne | I already told you, the Desktop CD == Live CD | 03:35 |
| simplew | IdleOne: ah ok , thanks :) | 03:36 |
| IdleOne | Welcome. | 03:36 |
| simplew | IdleOne: lets see if this release install grub and kernel boot files properly | 03:36 |
| osmosis | packages are broken for https://launchpad.net/~sroecker/+archive/oneiric | 05:13 |
| osmosis | 404 http://ppa.launchpad.net/sroecker/oneiric/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages | 05:13 |
| sarnl | How to show an exported GMenu in unity? | 09:42 |
| helene | I tried several binary packages from AMD/ATI, and they all fail to compile DKMS | 10:24 |
| helene | sudo ./make.sh AMD kernel module generator version 2.1 doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher rm -rf *.c *.h *.o *.ko *.a .??* *.symvers make -C /lib/modules/3.5.0-6-generic/build SUBDIRS=/usr/src/fglrx-8.961/2.6.x modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.5.0-6-generic' CC [M] /usr/src/fglrx-8.961/2.6.x/firegl_public.o /usr/src/fglrx-8.961/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function ‘KCL_MEM_AllocLi | 10:25 |
| helene | they funny thing is, it looks like Ubuntus own packages also have to compile DKMS, and they succeed | 10:26 |
| helene | of course I ended up download from AMD because the official packages were giving me a black screen | 10:26 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 10:50 |
| MrChrisDruif | Aloha BluesKaj | 10:51 |
| BluesKaj | hi MrChrisDruif | 10:51 |
| MrChrisDruif | How's it going? | 10:52 |
| BluesKaj | fine thanks MrChrisDruif , and ho're you ? | 10:53 |
| BluesKaj | oops :) how're you | 10:53 |
| MrChrisDruif | Pretty good | 10:53 |
| MrChrisDruif | =) | 10:53 |
| * BluesKaj gulps more coffee to awaken | 10:53 | |
| MrChrisDruif | @14:00 CEST I've got a birthday party of my little niece. | 10:54 |
| MrChrisDruif | She became 13 | 10:54 |
| BluesKaj | CEST? | 10:54 |
| BluesKaj | a teenager at last , bet she couldn't wait :) | 10:56 |
| sarnl | I need help with GMenuModel exporter | 10:57 |
| BluesKaj | MrChrisDruif: i got it , central european summer time | 10:58 |
| MrChrisDruif | Yeah | 10:59 |
| MrChrisDruif | So in about an hour ^_^ | 10:59 |
| BluesKaj | EDT (eastern daylight time) here | 10:59 |
| MrChrisDruif | So it's about 7 am? | 11:02 |
| BluesKaj | yes | 11:04 |
| BluesKaj | Canada here | 11:05 |
| MrChrisDruif | Holland here | 11:17 |
| penguin42 | and how is Holland ? | 11:19 |
| MrChrisDruif | Today: sunny! | 11:26 |
| penguin42 | bah, that's where our sun is | 11:26 |
| MrChrisDruif | Yup, sorry. We didn't mean to steal it or anything...it just favored us today.. | 11:26 |
| penguin42 | well, send us some Droste chocolate to compensate | 11:27 |
| MrChrisDruif | =) | 11:27 |
| jokerdino | hi jbicha. just wondering about the gnome-shell remix flavour? | 13:03 |
| jokerdino | is there any room for helping out? | 13:03 |
| bazhang | !info linux | 16:46 |
| ubottu | linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.0.24.26 (precise), package size 1 kB, installed size 31 kB | 16:46 |
| elijah | Will 12.10 be getting the 3.5 kernel? I hear their is code to help with bufferbloat in 3.5. | 16:47 |
| penguin42 | elijah: Yes | 16:49 |
| penguin42 | elijah: It's already got the 3.5.0 pre-releases | 16:50 |
| elijah | penguin42: Thanks so much! | 16:50 |
| penguin42 | elijah: Actually, looking at the logs - I think it is already on 3.5 | 16:50 |
| bekks | It is. | 16:51 |
| elijah | penguin42: Can you link me to the logs? | 16:51 |
| penguin42 | elijah: hmm I think this might be the current one http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.5.0-6.6/changelog | 16:53 |
| penguin42 | elijah: It's a bit raw :-) | 16:53 |
| Daekdroom | [ Upstream Kernel Changes ] * rebase to v3.5 | 16:54 |
| penguin42 | nod | 16:55 |
| elijah | thanks penguin42 | 17:00 |
| penguin42 | anyone else on +1 missing a 'whois' command? | 17:26 |
| trism | have it here, seems to be a dep of gnome-nettool though, so maybe missing a dep somewhere on kubuntu? | 17:29 |
| penguin42 | which package is it part of? | 17:30 |
| penguin42 | dpkg -S `which whois` | 17:35 |
| trism | penguin42: whois | 17:37 |
| penguin42 | thanks | 17:38 |
| smallfoot- | 12.10 have firefox 15 | 18:48 |
| smallfoot- | but firefox 16 will be released in october before 12.10 release | 18:48 |
| smallfoot- | 12.10 will upgrade to firefox 16? when? | 18:48 |
| Daekdroom | Eventually. | 18:48 |
| bazhang | then there'll be a security update smallfoot- | 18:48 |
| smallfoot- | oh i see | 18:48 |
| bazhang | smallfoot-, you are using a development release. plan on having some issues | 18:49 |
| smallfoot- | yes, i have issues, its np :p | 18:49 |
| bazhang | smallfoot-, participate in bug testing, helping fix things | 18:49 |
| smallfoot- | or it works pretty great actually lol | 18:49 |
| smallfoot- | except my wm hotkeys dont work | 18:49 |
| bazhang | smallfoot-, using this channel to rant/complain is NOT the way to go | 18:49 |
| smallfoot- | yeah, i clicked the report bug button many times when things crashed, i hope that helps | 18:49 |
| smallfoot- | i havent rant complain about anything | 18:50 |
| bazhang | smallfoot-, sure you have. | 18:50 |
| smallfoot- | that was before, not now | 18:50 |
| bazhang | smallfoot-, dont just log bugs, follow up on them | 18:50 |
| smallfoot- | ya i do, i get emails when i get bugs reply | 18:50 |
| Daekdroom | I have so many bug subscriptions I kinda forget about most of them. | 18:50 |
| bazhang | ... | 18:51 |
| ripps | Okay, I'm trying to upgrade to quantal, but I'm getting a ton of dependency issues it's like the gnome dependecies and unity dependencies hate each other | 19:26 |
| ripps | This was a bit of a botched install, it started partially, but didn't finish, and now I can't get the dependencies straight and everything wants to remove each other | 19:27 |
| Daekdroom | I don't think there's currently any dependency conflict between GNOME and Unity in the quantal repos. | 19:31 |
| Daekdroom | It might be a deprecated package or an application that has to be rebuilt. | 19:32 |
| ripps | Daekdroom: Is there any log I can share that might shed some light | 19:35 |
| Daekdroom | You could pastebin what apt-get tells you when you try to use 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' | 19:35 |
| ripps | Daekdroom: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1118126/ | 19:37 |
| Daekdroom | ripps, have you tried 'sudo apt-get install -f'? | 19:38 |
| ripps | yes, but it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop and unity | 19:39 |
| ripps | Daekdroom: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1118131/ | 19:39 |
| Daekdroom | "15 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 5 to remove and 1212 not upgraded.782 not fully installed or removed." Huh that's a little messy | 19:40 |
| ripps | your telling me :/ | 19:41 |
| Daekdroom | Well, 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' is a command that should take care of the partially installed packages. | 19:41 |
| ripps | okay, I'm doing that now, but there's still the 1212 packages sitting in limbo | 19:44 |
| Daekdroom | I'm suspecting that finishing installing and configuring whatever was interrupted will fix the dependency issues of all updates. | 19:45 |
| ripps | I've used the last 4 ubuntu releases without reinstalling, it might be time to clean house with a fresh install if I can't get the dependencies straight | 19:49 |
| ripps | And I always install during alpha/beta, so I might have some cruft | 19:49 |
| edgy | Hi, my monitor goes off and on on kubuntu | 19:51 |
| edgy | is it only me? | 19:52 |
| edgy | gnome works great | 19:53 |
| ripps | Daekdroom: yeah, it still wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, etc | 19:54 |
| IdleOne | what does gnome have to do with kubuntu? | 19:54 |
| edgy | IdleOne: I am saying ubuntu works great but kubuntu doesn't | 19:55 |
| edgy | IdleOne: which means it's not a hardware issue | 19:55 |
| edgy | my eyes is hurting me, please help quickly | 19:56 |
| FernandoMiguel | ripps: I've done 2 clean installs already, just for this cycle | 19:57 |
| ripps | Can I clean install without touching my /home? | 19:57 |
| ripps | I wish apt was smarter at describing what's wrong | 19:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | ripps: sure | 20:00 |
| FernandoMiguel | choose not to format when reinstalling | 20:00 |
| FernandoMiguel | all system folders are deleted but home (maybe a few more) are left untouched | 20:00 |
| ripps | gir1.2-gnomedesktop-3.0 : Depends: libgnome-desktop-3-4 (>= 3.5.3) but it is not going to be installed, gee how descriptive | 20:01 |
| ripps | why can't it explain why it's not going to be installed | 20:01 |
| FernandoMiguel | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 20:03 |
| FernandoMiguel | seems I'm fine | 20:03 |
| FernandoMiguel | Installed: (none) | 20:04 |
| FernandoMiguel | guess I don't really need it | 20:04 |
| ripps | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1118163/ | 20:04 |
| ripps | Daekdroom: here's apt-get -f install again, not sure if anything changed | 20:04 |
| FernandoMiguel | libgnome-desktop-3-4: | 20:05 |
| FernandoMiguel | Installed: 3.5.4-0ubuntu2 | 20:05 |
| Daekdroom | Do you have any other desktop environment (like GNOME Shell) installed? | 20:07 |
| ripps | Daekdroom: yes, I used gnome-shell | 20:08 |
| Daekdroom | I'd take the chance and let it remove ubuntu-desktop (which would install unity as well) and try install it again afterwards. | 20:08 |
| ripps | It's my default desktop, I dont' really use Unity that much | 20:08 |
| Daekdroom | Gah. | 20:08 |
| Daekdroom | Let me rephrase that | 20:08 |
| Daekdroom | I'd take the chance and let it remove the packages and try install ubuntu-desktop (which installs unity as well) afterwards. | 20:08 |
| ripps | fine, let's try it out | 20:09 |
| ripps | well, it removed ubuntu-desktop and unity, and unity seems to be holding ubuntu-desktop from being installed. I'll finish the rest of the upgrades before addressing it | 20:12 |
| edgy | Hi, I need someone with kubuntu to cofirm whether the screen goes off and on after the latest updates | 20:21 |
| ripps | when/if ubuntu gnome edition comes out, I'll probably switch to it so I don't get the unity depencies interfering with my install | 20:21 |
| bekks | ripps: There wont be an ubuntu gnome edition. | 20:28 |
| trism | bekks: did you see something about postponing/canceling https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-gnome-flavor ? | 20:31 |
| bekks | trism: No. I just dont think Ubuntu will pick up a gnome edition again after retiring it in favour of Unity. | 20:34 |
| inv_ | Hello? | 20:59 |
| IdleOne | hello | 20:59 |
| inv_ | I can't seem to get nvidia proprietary drivers for my GT 610 on 12.04, will they be available in 12.10? | 21:00 |
| IdleOne | I have no clue | 21:00 |
| BluesKaj | maybe he should have checked restricted/additional drivers | 21:03 |
| IdleOne | or waited longer then 3 minutes for a reply | 21:10 |
| inv_ | How do I upgrade to 12.10 from 12.04? | 21:24 |
| inv_ | I tried update-manager -d but it doesn't pop up a box or anything | 21:25 |
| inv_ | Hello? | 21:25 |
| inv_ | ah, nvm | 21:26 |
| MrChrisDruif | Upgrade from 12.10 to 12.04? | 21:34 |
| MrChrisDruif | That would be downgrading right? ;-) | 21:34 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ow, I read it wrong...nvm ^_^ | 21:34 |
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| Strav` | He! I'm glancing at the design specification for ubuntu task switching (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EdrlUuZvA9P8-BZufUU2KlHGjg49p9UacF4MCL0U5uA/edit, version 0.1, march 2012), and I'm wondering what part of it should we expect in ubuntu 12.10? Anyone has an idea? | 22:21 |
| Venom | wat time you go to bed? | 22:22 |
| MrChrisDruif | Venom; I don't want to know | 22:28 |
| Venom | i got to bed at 4am and wake up at 10 everday | 22:29 |
| inv_ | guys | 22:29 |
| inv_ | http://i.imgur.com/Z60yE.jpg | 22:29 |
| inv_ | drivers are there twice | 22:29 |
| inv_ | help? | 22:29 |
| Venom | inv_: i cant help but that is why i avoid nvidia cards, i always have trouble with them | 22:30 |
| inv_ | my card sucks ass | 22:31 |
| inv_ | which is probably the reason | 22:31 |
| Venom | no =D nvidia sucks ass =D, closed source lovers like microsoft *note i have nothing aginst closed source software | 22:31 |
| Venom | inv_: did you see/hear what linus did to nvidia? | 22:32 |
| Venom | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/linus-torvalds-says-f-k-you-to-nvidia/ | 22:32 |
| inv_ | Venom, yeah lol | 22:32 |
| inv_ | btw | 22:33 |
| inv_ | are you using ubuntu 12.10? | 22:33 |
| Strav` | inv_ you don't have installed any driver package or binaries yet? (got a similar issue with my amd apu, if I recall correctly, the proprietary driver I installed and the one in the repositories were listed in an identical manner in the driver's panel) | 22:33 |
| inv_ | Strav`, I couldn't on 12.04 | 22:33 |
| inv_ | they didn't show | 22:33 |
| Venom | inv_: no i am using kubuntu 12.04 | 22:33 |
| Venom | i hate unity =( | 22:33 |
| inv_ | I'm on 12.10, but settings -> details shows 12.04 lol | 22:33 |
| Strav` | inv_: I suggest you remove all your video drivers, check what's listed and then install one; see if the listing is consistent. | 22:34 |
| inv_ | Venom, I'm forced to try to get a debian distro to work because asus can't get their sh*t together | 22:34 |
| Venom | inv_: whats wrong with ASUS? my asus laptop runs Kubuntu very well | 22:35 |
| Venom | in fact its perfect | 22:35 |
| inv_ | I have a new wireless card from them | 22:35 |
| inv_ | their drivers cause arch to crash | 22:35 |
| inv_ | well | 22:35 |
| inv_ | anything not debian based rather | 22:35 |
| Strav` | inv_: I doubt the OEM of your card is asus. | 22:36 |
| inv_ | well | 22:36 |
| inv_ | the chipset maker is ralnk | 22:36 |
| inv_ | ralink* | 22:36 |
| Strav` | then blame ralink | 22:36 |
| inv_ | lol | 22:36 |
| Venom | my laptop is all intel so i guess thats why it works so well, intel is very good with Linux which is why i ALWAYS stick with intel hardware because i am a full time linux GEEK =D | 22:37 |
| Venom | unlike nvidia intel is not afraid to release hardware specs | 22:37 |
| Strav` | but intel do release shitty video drivers, most people agree that while nvidia are stinkin closed bin blobs, they to perform well; I personally cannot say the same with intel. | 22:39 |
| inv_ | guys, can you install 12.10 from these? | 22:40 |
| inv_ | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 22:40 |
| Venom | well everyone has there opionions =D, my laptop has intel hd 3000 and it runs extermely well | 22:40 |
| inv_ | hd 3000? | 22:40 |
| inv_ | i7? | 22:40 |
| Daekdroom | Comparing radeon, noveau and intel opensource drivers, I think intel is the one that has the performance closest to what you get on Windows. | 22:40 |
| Strav` | Daekdroom: interesting. Just sad that intel doesn't do kick ass videocards :) | 22:41 |
| Daekdroom | Well, their Windows drivers aren't state-of-art either, so... | 22:42 |
| Venom | how unichrome? | 22:43 |
| ripps | Daekdroom: good news, after everything was done installing, I tried apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it worked, thanks for your help earlier | 22:47 |
| Daekdroom | ripps, you're welcome. | 22:47 |
| ripps | now to reboot and see if everything works | 22:47 |
| Strav` | This whole video card drivers mess is seriously hindering linux desktop adoption back - from games to CAD software. I recently spoke to MOI3D main dev, wondering why there was little to no precision modeling software for linux (think of the likes of Autocad, Rhinoceros3D, Solidworks) and his response was: "Right now I am not planning on a separate Linux-native port though, probably the #1 reason preventing it (aside from just the plain | 22:47 |
| Strav` | work involved) is the poor state of 3D accelerated video drivers on Linux - it's a major requirement for a CAD program to have good solid video driver support and right now on any random Linux system the quality of the video drivers can be quite poor and it's very difficult for a 3D specific program to function very well in the presence of bad video drivers." | 22:47 |
| MrChrisDruif | Intel does indeed provide all the specs for open source people to create their own drivers. | 22:48 |
| MrChrisDruif | You might even say that you'd get better performance with Intel cards in Linux then Windows | 22:48 |
| Strav` | I pity the man who wish to work with z-brush on an intel card. | 22:49 |
| Strav` | That's it. I'm off trolling the blender channel to know if there's something that can be done for precision modeling (I just had my first 3d printing experience and hell it would have been nice to work on linux for that) | 22:51 |
| MrChrisDruif | Strav`; what was the 3d software you used? | 22:53 |
| Strav` | MrChrisDruif: for my 3d printing stuff: Rhino. I know I could use any box-editing based software but for highly technical stuff, that won't do. The workflow is just to tedious. | 22:55 |
| * MrChrisDruif never heard of Rhino... | 22:56 | |
| MrChrisDruif | I'll google it | 22:56 |
| Strav` | Rhinoceros3D, in my opinion: far superior to Autocad for 3D modeling and far more intuitive than Solidworks. | 22:56 |
| Strav` | MrChrisDruif: btw, I've done a lot of searching and it seems that the best alternative you can get under "gnu/linux", is sadly to use MOI3D version 3 on top of WINE (most of these other CAD softwares won't even run with WINE) | 22:58 |
| MrChrisDruif | Strav`; ever played with Blender? | 22:59 |
| MrChrisDruif | Do note that I've never used it myself, nor am I someone with experience with 3d modeling software | 23:00 |
| Strav` | MrChrisDruif: yes I've played with blender, but not enough to my taste. My main experience resides with 3dsmax. | 23:04 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well consider playing some more with it, as it's native software for linux | 23:05 |
| Strav` | MrChrisDruif: I'm well aware of that. The main problem is: blender is not build for precision editing. What you need for highly technical, precise modelling is nurbs and the nurbs implementation in blender is kinda weak (let alone the utilities to work with your nurbs surfaces afterware) | 23:46 |
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