david0rkHi all02:30
david0rkanyone on? or napping?02:32
* PatrickDK beats david0rk for disturbing the peace02:32
david0rksorry!  just looking for info on a module.  cant find the source anywhere, but its here in my kernel.02:33
PatrickDKthen it's in the kernel source02:33
david0rkwell, yeah.02:33
david0rkbut its not.02:33
david0rkor, maybe i cant find it is a better way to describe the situation.02:34
david0rki just want to rebuild 1 module, due to a vendor changing an ID on a device...02:34
david0rki've found the headers and makefile...02:34
david0rkjust no .c files\02:34
trismdavid0rk: which module, out of curiosity02:35
david0rkand i understand by changing the id and rebuilding the module, i'm responsible for any segfaults, or crashing and burning of my system.02:36
david0rki will take my segfault like a man if one does result.02:36
PatrickDKyour responsible for that even if you don't :)02:36
david0rkwait a damned minute.02:37
trismdavid0rk: drivers/media/video/au0828/02:37
david0rkthe source package is  just a tarball.... not the actual expanded source.02:38
david0rkderp.   i kinda figured apt-get would magically unpack it for me.02:38
trismdavid0rk: yes02:38
david0rksorry, i love apt.  years on fedora and opensuse...  the horror.   Kinda forget sometimes apt doesn't allways DWIM.02:40
trismdavid0rk: if you: apt-get source package_name; it will unpack it, but linux-source is just a binary package for the tarball, I imagine it is assumed most won't actually build in /usr/src/02:43
david0rknooooooo!  the driver was scrapped in 3.002:50
trismdavid0rk: are you sure? I see it in linus's tree in drivers/media/video/au0828/02:53
david0rkyeah, this is a syntek card02:53
david0rk{ USB_DEVICE(0x05e1, 0x0400),.driver_info = AU0828_BOARD_SYNTEK_TELEDONGLE }   < from kernel source from 0802:53
david0rkold source  http://pastebin.com/8tvpcged02:56
david0rkhttp://pastebin.com/v4qCqCTE  < new source.   completely removed the syntek code.02:57
david0rkparticularly the   USB_DEVICE(0x05e1, 0x0400),  .driver_info = AU0828_BOARD_SYNTEK_TELEDONGLE  bit,  which should be 0x0480 for my device.02:57
david0rkoh well, more tinkering.  maybe theres a seperate module elsewhere02:58
david0rkYaay, back.03:22
david0rkfound disturbing things.03:22
david0rksudo insmod /lib/modules/3.2.0-27-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/au0828/au0828.ko insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/3.2.0-27-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/au0828/au0828.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module03:22
david0rkand thats with no modifications.03:23
IdleOnesimplew: link is in the topic03:24
simplewwhere can i download the quantal live cd daily build?03:25
simplewIdleOne: thats not LIVE cd03:26
IdleOneyes it is03:27
simplewIdleOne: it says desktop CD, i dont see any there saying its live03:27
IdleOneeven says so in the url03:27
simplewonly in the url03:28
IdleOnethe desktop cd is the Live cd03:28
IdleOneThe desktop CD allows you to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all.03:28
IdleOneThe only way for that to happen is for it to be live03:28
IdleOneyou might want to read the warning on that page also before you complain it doesn't fit on a cd03:29
simplewIdleOne: your right sorry, but i have unsqached and in boot theres no vmlinux file03:29
simplewIdleOne: i mean i did unsquashfs03:30
simplewand it in /boot theres no vmlinux file to boot, so how is going to to boot'03:30
simplewIdleOne: see http://privatepaste.com/0383b3d9f103:32
simplewand inside /boot/grub theres a single file: gfxblacklist.txt03:32
IdleOneyeah, that is something I know nothing about, sorry.03:33
simplewIdleOne: whats the url to get alpha3 live cd?03:33
trismsimplew: the kernel that is booted isn't in the squashfs03:33
simplewIdleOne: and thats the live cd?03:35
trismsimplew: as is the last link IdleOne gave03:35
IdleOneI already told you, the Desktop CD == Live CD03:35
simplewIdleOne: ah ok , thanks :)03:36
simplewIdleOne: lets see if this release install grub and kernel boot files properly03:36
osmosispackages are broken for https://launchpad.net/~sroecker/+archive/oneiric05:13
osmosis404  http://ppa.launchpad.net/sroecker/oneiric/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages05:13
sarnlHow to show an exported GMenu in unity?09:42
heleneI tried several binary packages from AMD/ATI, and they all fail to compile DKMS10:24
helene sudo ./make.sh  AMD kernel module generator version 2.1 doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher rm -rf *.c *.h *.o *.ko *.a .??* *.symvers make -C /lib/modules/3.5.0-6-generic/build SUBDIRS=/usr/src/fglrx-8.961/2.6.x modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.5.0-6-generic'   CC [M]  /usr/src/fglrx-8.961/2.6.x/firegl_public.o /usr/src/fglrx-8.961/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function ‘KCL_MEM_AllocLi10:25
helenethey funny thing is, it looks like Ubuntus own packages also have to compile DKMS, and they succeed10:26
heleneof course I ended up download from AMD because the official packages were giving me a black screen10:26
BluesKajHiyas  all10:50
MrChrisDruifAloha BluesKaj10:51
BluesKajhi MrChrisDruif10:51
MrChrisDruifHow's it going?10:52
BluesKajfine thanks MrChrisDruif , and ho're you ?10:53
BluesKajoops :) how're you10:53
MrChrisDruifPretty good10:53
* BluesKaj gulps more coffee to awaken10:53
MrChrisDruif@14:00 CEST I've got a birthday party of my little niece.10:54
MrChrisDruifShe became 1310:54
BluesKaja teenager at last , bet she couldn't wait :)10:56
sarnlI need help with GMenuModel exporter10:57
BluesKajMrChrisDruif:  i got it , central european summer time10:58
MrChrisDruifSo in about an hour ^_^10:59
BluesKajEDT (eastern daylight time) here10:59
MrChrisDruifSo it's about 7 am?11:02
BluesKajCanada here11:05
MrChrisDruifHolland here11:17
penguin42and how is Holland ?11:19
MrChrisDruifToday: sunny!11:26
penguin42bah, that's where our sun is11:26
MrChrisDruifYup, sorry. We didn't mean to steal it or anything...it just favored us today..11:26
penguin42well, send us some Droste chocolate to compensate11:27
jokerdinohi jbicha. just wondering about the gnome-shell remix flavour?13:03
jokerdinois there any room for helping out?13:03
bazhang!info linux16:46
ubottulinux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component main, is optional. Version (precise), package size 1 kB, installed size 31 kB16:46
elijahWill 12.10 be getting the 3.5 kernel? I hear their is code to help with bufferbloat in 3.5.16:47
penguin42elijah: Yes16:49
penguin42elijah: It's already got the 3.5.0 pre-releases16:50
elijahpenguin42: Thanks so much!16:50
penguin42elijah: Actually, looking at the logs - I think it is already on 3.516:50
bekksIt is.16:51
elijahpenguin42: Can you link me to the logs?16:51
penguin42elijah: hmm I think this might be the current one http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.5.0-6.6/changelog16:53
penguin42elijah: It's a bit raw :-)16:53
Daekdroom  [ Upstream Kernel Changes ]  * rebase to v3.516:54
elijahthanks penguin4217:00
penguin42anyone else on +1 missing a 'whois' command?17:26
trismhave it here, seems to be a dep of gnome-nettool though, so maybe missing a dep somewhere on kubuntu?17:29
penguin42which package is it part of?17:30
penguin42dpkg -S `which whois`17:35
trismpenguin42: whois17:37
smallfoot-12.10 have firefox 1518:48
smallfoot-but firefox 16 will be released in october before 12.10 release18:48
smallfoot-12.10 will upgrade to firefox 16? when?18:48
bazhangthen there'll be a security update smallfoot-18:48
smallfoot-oh i see18:48
bazhangsmallfoot-, you are using a development release. plan on having some issues18:49
smallfoot-yes,  i have issues, its np :p18:49
bazhangsmallfoot-, participate in bug testing, helping fix things18:49
smallfoot-or it works pretty great actually lol18:49
smallfoot-except my wm hotkeys dont work18:49
bazhangsmallfoot-, using this channel to rant/complain is NOT the way to go18:49
smallfoot-yeah, i clicked the report bug button many times when things crashed, i hope that helps18:49
smallfoot-i havent rant complain about anything18:50
bazhangsmallfoot-, sure you have.18:50
smallfoot-that was before, not now18:50
bazhangsmallfoot-, dont just log bugs, follow up on them18:50
smallfoot-ya i do, i get emails when i get bugs reply18:50
DaekdroomI have so many bug subscriptions I kinda forget about most of them.18:50
rippsOkay, I'm trying to upgrade to quantal, but I'm getting a ton of dependency issues it's like the gnome dependecies and unity dependencies hate each other19:26
rippsThis was a bit of a botched install, it started partially, but didn't finish, and now I can't get the dependencies straight and everything wants to remove each other19:27
DaekdroomI don't think there's currently any dependency conflict between GNOME and Unity in the quantal repos.19:31
DaekdroomIt might be a deprecated package or an application that has to be rebuilt.19:32
rippsDaekdroom: Is there any log I can share that might shed some light19:35
DaekdroomYou could pastebin what apt-get tells you when you try to use 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'19:35
rippsDaekdroom: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1118126/19:37
Daekdroomripps, have you tried 'sudo apt-get install -f'?19:38
rippsyes, but it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop and unity19:39
rippsDaekdroom: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1118131/19:39
Daekdroom"15 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 5 to remove and 1212 not upgraded.782 not fully installed or removed." Huh that's a little messy19:40
rippsyour telling me :/19:41
DaekdroomWell, 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' is a command that should take care of the partially installed packages.19:41
rippsokay, I'm doing that now, but there's still the 1212 packages sitting in limbo19:44
DaekdroomI'm suspecting that finishing installing and configuring whatever was interrupted will fix the dependency issues of all updates.19:45
rippsI've used the last 4 ubuntu releases without reinstalling, it might be time to clean house with a fresh install if I can't get the dependencies straight19:49
rippsAnd I always install during alpha/beta, so I might have some cruft19:49
edgyHi, my monitor goes off and on on kubuntu19:51
edgyis it only me?19:52
edgygnome works great19:53
rippsDaekdroom: yeah, it still wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, etc19:54
IdleOnewhat does gnome have to do with kubuntu?19:54
edgyIdleOne: I am saying ubuntu works great but kubuntu doesn't19:55
edgyIdleOne: which means it's not a hardware issue19:55
edgymy eyes is hurting me, please help quickly19:56
FernandoMiguelripps: I've done 2 clean installs already, just for this cycle19:57
rippsCan I clean install without touching my /home?19:57
rippsI wish apt was smarter at describing what's wrong19:59
FernandoMiguelripps: sure20:00
FernandoMiguelchoose not to format when reinstalling20:00
FernandoMiguelall system folders are deleted but home (maybe a few more) are left untouched20:00
rippsgir1.2-gnomedesktop-3.0 : Depends: libgnome-desktop-3-4 (>= 3.5.3) but it is not going to be installed, gee how descriptive20:01
rippswhy can't it explain why it's not going to be installed20:01
FernandoMiguel0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.20:03
FernandoMiguelseems I'm fine20:03
FernandoMiguel  Installed: (none)20:04
FernandoMiguelguess I don't really need it20:04
rippsDaekdroom: here's apt-get -f install again, not sure if anything changed20:04
FernandoMiguel  Installed: 3.5.4-0ubuntu220:05
DaekdroomDo you have any other desktop environment (like GNOME Shell) installed?20:07
rippsDaekdroom: yes, I used gnome-shell20:08
DaekdroomI'd take the chance and let it remove ubuntu-desktop (which would install unity as well) and try install it again afterwards.20:08
rippsIt's my default desktop, I dont' really use Unity that much20:08
DaekdroomLet me rephrase that20:08
DaekdroomI'd take the chance and let it remove the packages and try install ubuntu-desktop (which installs unity as well) afterwards.20:08
rippsfine, let's try it out20:09
rippswell, it removed ubuntu-desktop and unity, and unity seems to be holding ubuntu-desktop from being installed. I'll finish the rest of the upgrades before addressing it20:12
edgyHi, I need someone with kubuntu to cofirm whether the screen goes off and on after the latest updates20:21
rippswhen/if ubuntu gnome edition comes out, I'll probably switch to it so I don't get the unity depencies interfering with my install20:21
bekksripps: There wont be an ubuntu gnome edition.20:28
trismbekks: did you see something about postponing/canceling https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-gnome-flavor ?20:31
bekkstrism: No. I just dont think Ubuntu will pick up a gnome edition again after retiring it in favour of Unity.20:34
inv_I can't seem to get nvidia proprietary drivers for my GT 610 on 12.04, will they be available in 12.10?21:00
IdleOneI have no clue21:00
BluesKajmaybe he should have checked restricted/additional drivers21:03
IdleOneor waited longer then 3 minutes for a reply21:10
inv_How do I upgrade to 12.10 from 12.04?21:24
inv_I tried update-manager -d but it doesn't pop up a box or anything21:25
inv_ah, nvm21:26
MrChrisDruifUpgrade from 12.10 to 12.04?21:34
MrChrisDruifThat would be downgrading right? ;-)21:34
MrChrisDruifOw, I read it wrong...nvm ^_^21:34
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Strav` He! I'm glancing at the design specification for ubuntu task switching (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EdrlUuZvA9P8-BZufUU2KlHGjg49p9UacF4MCL0U5uA/edit, version 0.1, march 2012), and I'm wondering what part of it should we expect in ubuntu 12.10? Anyone has an idea?22:21
Venomwat time you go to bed?22:22
MrChrisDruifVenom; I don't want to know22:28
Venomi got to bed at 4am and wake up at 10 everday22:29
inv_drivers are there twice22:29
Venominv_: i cant help but that is why i avoid nvidia cards, i always have trouble with them22:30
inv_my card sucks ass22:31
inv_which is probably the reason22:31
Venomno =D nvidia sucks ass =D, closed source lovers like microsoft *note i have nothing aginst closed source software22:31
Venominv_: did you see/hear what linus did to nvidia?22:32
inv_Venom, yeah lol22:32
inv_are you using ubuntu 12.10?22:33
Strav`inv_ you don't have installed any driver package or binaries yet? (got a similar issue with my amd apu, if I recall correctly, the proprietary driver I installed and the one in the repositories were listed in an identical manner in the driver's panel)22:33
inv_Strav`, I couldn't on 12.0422:33
inv_they didn't show22:33
Venominv_: no i am using kubuntu 12.0422:33
Venomi hate unity =(22:33
inv_I'm on 12.10, but settings -> details shows 12.04 lol22:33
Strav`inv_: I suggest you remove all your video drivers, check what's listed and then install one; see if the listing is consistent.22:34
inv_Venom, I'm forced to try to get a debian distro to work because asus can't get their sh*t together22:34
Venominv_: whats wrong with ASUS? my asus laptop runs Kubuntu very well22:35
Venomin fact its perfect22:35
inv_I have a new wireless card from them22:35
inv_their drivers cause arch to crash22:35
inv_anything not debian based rather22:35
Strav`inv_: I doubt the OEM of your card is asus.22:36
inv_the chipset maker is ralnk22:36
Strav`then blame ralink22:36
Venommy laptop is all intel so i guess thats why it works so well, intel is very good with Linux which is why i ALWAYS stick with intel hardware because i am a full time linux GEEK =D22:37
Venomunlike nvidia intel is not afraid to release hardware specs22:37
Strav`but intel do release shitty video drivers, most people agree that while nvidia are stinkin closed bin blobs, they to perform well; I personally cannot say the same with intel.22:39
inv_guys, can you install 12.10 from these?22:40
Venomwell everyone has there opionions =D, my laptop has intel hd 3000 and it runs extermely well22:40
inv_hd 3000?22:40
DaekdroomComparing radeon, noveau and intel opensource drivers, I think intel is the one that has the performance closest to what you get on Windows.22:40
Strav`Daekdroom: interesting. Just sad that intel doesn't do kick ass videocards :)22:41
DaekdroomWell, their Windows drivers aren't state-of-art either, so...22:42
Venomhow unichrome?22:43
rippsDaekdroom: good news, after everything was done installing, I tried apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it worked, thanks for your help earlier22:47
Daekdroomripps, you're welcome.22:47
rippsnow to reboot and see if everything works22:47
Strav`This whole video card drivers mess is seriously hindering linux desktop adoption back - from games to CAD software. I recently spoke to MOI3D main dev, wondering why there was little to no precision modeling software for linux (think of the likes of Autocad, Rhinoceros3D, Solidworks) and his response was: "Right now I am not planning on a separate Linux-native port though, probably the #1 reason preventing it (aside from just the plain22:47
Strav`work involved) is the poor state of 3D accelerated video drivers on Linux - it's a major requirement for a CAD program to have good solid video driver support and right now on any random Linux system the quality of the video drivers can be quite poor and it's very difficult for a 3D specific program to function very well in the presence of bad video drivers."22:47
MrChrisDruifIntel does indeed provide all the specs for open source people to create their own drivers.22:48
MrChrisDruifYou might even say that you'd get better performance with Intel cards in Linux then Windows22:48
Strav`I pity the man who wish to work with z-brush on an intel card.22:49
Strav`That's it. I'm off trolling the blender channel to know if there's something that can be done for precision modeling (I just had my first 3d printing experience and hell it would have been nice to work on linux for that)22:51
MrChrisDruifStrav`; what was the 3d software you used?22:53
Strav`MrChrisDruif: for my 3d printing stuff: Rhino. I know I could use any box-editing based software but for highly technical stuff, that won't do. The workflow is just to tedious.22:55
* MrChrisDruif never heard of Rhino...22:56
MrChrisDruifI'll google it22:56
Strav`Rhinoceros3D, in my opinion: far superior to Autocad for 3D modeling and far more intuitive than Solidworks.22:56
Strav`MrChrisDruif: btw, I've done a lot of searching and it seems that the best alternative you can get under "gnu/linux", is sadly to use MOI3D version 3 on top of WINE (most of these other CAD softwares won't even run with WINE)22:58
MrChrisDruifStrav`; ever played with Blender?22:59
MrChrisDruifDo note that I've never used it myself, nor am I someone with experience with 3d modeling software23:00
Strav`MrChrisDruif: yes I've played with blender, but not enough to my taste. My main experience resides with 3dsmax.23:04
MrChrisDruifWell consider playing some more with it, as it's native software for linux23:05
Strav`MrChrisDruif: I'm well aware of that. The main problem is: blender is not build for precision editing. What you need for highly technical, precise modelling is nurbs and the nurbs implementation in blender is kinda weak (let alone the utilities to work with your nurbs surfaces afterware)23:46

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