[18:00] <Tm_T> I will be occupied elsewhere for next hour most likely, unfortunately
[18:00] <AlanBell> ok
[18:00] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
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[18:00] <AlanBell> hi all, who is here for the IRC meeting?
[18:00] <funkyHat> I will be here, for a change!
[18:00]  * funkyHat 
[18:00] <AlanBell> yay, hi funkyHat
[18:01] <funkyHat> Hi ⢁)
[18:01] <AlanBell> I should have sent a reminder to the list probably
[18:02] <LjL> oh hello
[18:02] <AlanBell> but I know Pici isn't around
[18:02] <AlanBell> hi LjL
[18:02] <Pendulum> AlanBell: you were a bit busy
[18:03] <AlanBell> I was, doing BBQ stuff
[18:03] <AlanBell> and watching beach volleyball, important stuff like that
[18:03] <AlanBell> ok, lets start on the agenda
[18:04] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[18:04] <AlanBell> #topic Review last meetings action items
[18:04] <AlanBell> x1k is up for membership but isn't in the channel it seems
[18:05] <IdleOne> hello
[18:05] <AlanBell> #progress m4v Pici AlanBell to look into adding ban removal to ubottu cababilities
[18:06] <AlanBell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2012-July/001565.html
[18:06] <Tm_T> I liked what was posted on the mailinglist
[18:06] <AlanBell> m4v has made good progress
[18:06] <topyli> hi, sorry i'm late
[18:06] <AlanBell> "I did like everyone to test the feature with scratDev in #ubuntu-bots-test,
[18:06] <Tm_T> topyli: academic quarter (:
[18:06] <AlanBell> just go there and set some bans and quiets. Report any bugs you find and ping
[18:06] <AlanBell> me for questions."
[18:06] <AlanBell> hi topyli
[18:07] <topyli> yes m4v is doing great
[18:08] <AlanBell> that does all sound really cool
[18:08] <AlanBell> so I think we should get lots of people in #ubuntu-bots-test to try it out
[18:08] <AlanBell> and get bug reports filed and suggestions made
[18:09] <IdleOne> I tested yesterday with a ban and a quiet, only problems I had were user error.
[18:09] <IdleOne> the bot responses could be a little more informative, m4v said he was aware and going to work on them.
[18:09] <AlanBell> ok, well I will certainly have a play with it
[18:10] <LjL> i didn't test this yet, but i'm all for having ubottu handle this. a bit concerned over duplicated effort, but i guess it's things that happen
[18:10] <AlanBell> it is an ubottu clone isn't it?
[18:10] <IdleOne> it is
[18:11] <LjL> AlanBell: yeah but i mean, niko also had something like this (except it wasn't 100% an ubottu clone etc, yes i know)
[18:11] <AlanBell> yes, but there were problems with the test suite etc
[18:12] <AlanBell> ok, so lets promote the testing of this bot over the next few weeks
[18:12] <AlanBell> and also try to break it/do evil things to it
[18:13] <LjL> i have dinner now, can't attend any further. don't decide anything i'd approve of!
[18:13] <bazhang> hah
[18:13] <AlanBell> hehe
[18:13] <topyli> LjL: did we ever? :)
[18:13] <AlanBell> ok, so that is great progress, really pleased with that
[18:14] <AlanBell> #topic Open items in the IRCC tracker
[18:14] <AlanBell> right, so we redirected a bunch of launchpad emails to the tracker, somewhat more than we expected to do
[18:14] <AlanBell> now every time someone is added or removed or expires from a team we get a ticket created
[18:15] <topyli> it is a bit of a problem. now we have to go close those tickets, and i've failed to do that
[18:15] <AlanBell> the intention was to redirect the "contact this team" link to the ticket tracker, but it had unexpected side effects
[18:15] <IdleOne> You guys are getting all the " This person has extended their membership emails?
[18:15] <AlanBell> I wasn't sure at first if this was a bug or a feature, but I am now leaning towards "bug"
[18:16] <funkyHat> I think it's a bug too
[18:16] <AlanBell> IdleOne: yeah, we get that anyway, but now the tracker hassles us to resolve the "issue"
[18:16] <topyli> yes it backfired a bit, it's not really much better than that stuff coming to my inbox
[18:16] <topyli> s/much/any/
[18:16] <AlanBell> ok, so lets undo that then and put it back as it was
[18:16] <topyli> yes
[18:17] <AlanBell> #action AlanBell to revert the IRCC launchpad contact redirect to the tracker
[18:17] <meetingology> ACTION: AlanBell to revert the IRCC launchpad contact redirect to the tracker
[18:17] <topyli> someone is free to take the action of taunting me for suggesting this in the first place :)
[18:18] <AlanBell> :)
[18:18] <AlanBell> I think there are no "real" tickets
[18:19] <topyli> right
[18:19]  * AlanBell closes the open ones
[18:20] <AlanBell> #topic Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council
[18:20] <AlanBell> #subtopic bug 892500 eir is still not fit for purpose in #ubuntu
[18:21] <AlanBell> well we discussed this one, I will add a note to it linking to that email and the testing we are doing
[18:21] <topyli> still in progress
[18:21] <AlanBell> yes
[18:21] <AlanBell> #subtopic bug 913541 there are a number of people with Ubuntu IRC cloaks who have expired from the ubuntumembers group - AlanBell
[18:21] <AlanBell> pici was having a go at this one, I will check the current progress on this and maybe help with it over the next few days, I want to get this to zero
[18:22] <AlanBell> ok, that is the bugs
[18:22] <AlanBell> #topic alignment of launchpad teams and channel access lists
[18:22] <AlanBell> I haven't done much on this for a bit, but I will pick it up again over the next week or so
[18:22] <AlanBell> #topic membership applications
[18:23] <AlanBell> we have a membership application from x1k in the agenda, however he is not in the channel
[18:23] <topyli> x1k is not around
[18:23] <topyli> deferred?
[18:24] <IdleOne> probably best
[18:24] <AlanBell> yes I think so too
[18:24] <AlanBell> #topic Any Other Business
[18:25] <AlanBell> anyone got any other items to raise today?
[18:25] <topyli> i noticed that our team reports are lagging
[18:25] <IdleOne> BT access? DO all the ops have it?
[18:25] <IdleOne> Do*
[18:25] <AlanBell> topyli: that is a very fair point
[18:25] <topyli> those in probation don't, but everyone else?
[18:26] <AlanBell> those in probation should have access too
[18:26] <AlanBell> I think
[18:26] <topyli> AlanBell: i can bring them up to date when i'm bored enough
[18:26] <AlanBell> it is only a lack of actually doing it that is the problem
[18:26] <IdleOne> it makes it difficult to learn how to use BT without access
[18:26] <topyli> IdleOne: yes
[18:27] <AlanBell> so how do we give bantracker access, is this a tsimpson question?
[18:27] <IdleOne> AlanBell: m4v has the capability to add BT access also
[18:27] <AlanBell> ok, great
[18:27] <IdleOne> someone on the IRCC should have it too
[18:27] <IdleOne> so :)
[18:27] <AlanBell> yeah, that would be handy
[18:28] <topyli> yep, but i don't think any of us does
[18:29] <AlanBell> ok, that is something to sort out
[18:29] <topyli> it's legacy from the time when tsimpson was on the ircc, and we forgot to handle it
[18:30] <IdleOne> afaik tsimpson jussi and m4v have the owner capability
[18:30] <IdleOne> but it only makes sense that the IRCC has the power to add users.
[18:30] <AlanBell> ok, we will get that sorted and make sure all the ops have access
[18:31] <AlanBell> we had a training class last week by Myrtti http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/26/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[18:31] <AlanBell> which was really good, but lightly attended
[18:31] <AlanBell> I know some people had timezone issues and wanted to read the logs which is fine
[18:32] <AlanBell> we have another training session on Thursday 2nd
[18:32] <AlanBell> at 17:00 UTC with LJL leading it
[18:32] <topyli> we could advertise the log, and maybe my 'helping when you're not an op' class
[18:32] <AlanBell> a tour of the bots and channels
[18:33] <AlanBell> topyli: yes, that would be great
[18:33] <topyli> oh, let's wait until that's done too
[18:33] <IdleOne> i don't think we should wait on spreading good info
[18:33] <AlanBell> we should try and get more people to participate in the next one, particularly the new operators
[18:33] <IdleOne> we can have multiple blog posts and do just as well
[18:34] <topyli> true, it's not like we're exactly spamming the planet currently :)
[18:34] <IdleOne> Myrtti's class was excellent and people should hear about it
[18:34] <AlanBell> IdleOne: agreed, the more the merrier
[18:34] <AlanBell> topyli: you have access to the blog, want to post an article about it?
[18:34] <topyli> AlanBell: ok
[18:34] <AlanBell> #action topyli to blog about the training classes/logs
[18:34] <meetingology> ACTION: topyli to blog about the training classes/logs
[18:35] <AlanBell> ok, any other things to discuss now?
[18:35] <topyli> AlanBell: add an action for me also to fix the team reports so i don't forget
[18:35] <pleia2> we tossed one up on the classroom blog late last week too (friday I believe)
[18:35] <pleia2> so hopefully that'll help too :)
[18:35] <AlanBell> #action topyli to sort out team reports
[18:35] <meetingology> ACTION: topyli to sort out team reports
[18:35] <AlanBell> thanks pleia2
[18:38] <IdleOne> topyli: maybe add a blurb about testing the new bot features too? :)
[18:38] <AlanBell> good idea, so if that is everything . . .
[18:38] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[18:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Jul 29 18:38:58 2012 UTC.
[18:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-29-18.00.moin.txt
[18:38] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-29-18.00.html
[18:39] <AlanBell> thanks everyone
[18:39] <topyli> IdleOne: would a link to m4v's mail suffice (with a little blurb of course)?
[18:39] <IdleOne> topyli: yeah. also the access list will have to be modified a little in that channel to allow non-ubuntu members to set some bans. it is a testing channel so I don't think much damaga can be done.
[18:40] <IdleOne> damage*
[18:41] <topyli> how? you're talking to topyli here :)
[18:41] <IdleOne> topyli: by poking one of your fellow ircc members and making them do it :)
[18:41] <topyli> oh that's something i'm good at
[18:41] <IdleOne> topyli: m4v could probably help with that also
[18:42] <topyli> yeah
[18:43] <Unit193> AlanBell: Wasn't there an idea to have all channels OPs have the same flag template?
[18:44] <AlanBell> yes, that is in progress
[18:44] <Unit193> What template?
[18:44] <IdleOne> topyli: one thing I don't understand. 20 years on IRC and you still don't know how to set flags :P
[18:45] <AlanBell> +Aiotv (with exceptions)
[18:46] <Unit193> +r can be quite handy though.
[18:46] <IdleOne> if an op is being banned from a channel, they shouldn't be able to unban themselves
[18:46] <topyli> IdleOne: i know how to set them, but i never learned what they mean :)
[18:47] <IdleOne> /msg chanserv help flags
[18:47] <Unit193> IdleOne: And /cs quiet IdleOne  is quite handy, less noise.
[18:47] <topyli> i know that too. i'm running out of excuses. stop that! :)
[18:48] <IdleOne> Unit193: Sorry if my opinions are noisy
[18:48] <Unit193> IdleOne: No, as in chanserv quiets and there is no op/deop. :P
[18:49] <IdleOne> I thought we were not supposed to hide behind chanserv
[18:49] <Unit193> Let me show you in -test channel.
[18:49] <AlanBell> probably best to show who is doing it mostly
[18:49] <AlanBell> but yes, #ubuntu-bots-test is the place to play
[18:50] <LjL> AlanBell, my session is at 13:00 UTC, not 17, i think
[18:51] <AlanBell> LjL: oops, sorry
[18:51] <AlanBell> LjL: I think I got it mixed up in my head with Myrtti's session, I will make sure it is 13:00