=== Guest77352 is now known as mfisch === mfisch is now known as Guest23361 === Guest23361 is now known as mfisch === mfisch is now known as Guest52991 === rsalveti` is now known as rsalveti === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Guest30039 [18:00] I will be occupied elsewhere for next hour most likely, unfortunately [18:00] ok [18:00] #startmeeting [18:00] Meeting started Sun Jul 29 18:00:29 2012 UTC. The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:00] hi all, who is here for the IRC meeting? [18:00] I will be here, for a change! [18:00] * funkyHat [18:00] yay, hi funkyHat [18:01] Hi ⢁) [18:01] I should have sent a reminder to the list probably [18:02] oh hello [18:02] but I know Pici isn't around [18:02] hi LjL [18:02] AlanBell: you were a bit busy [18:03] I was, doing BBQ stuff [18:03] and watching beach volleyball, important stuff like that [18:03] ok, lets start on the agenda [18:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda [18:04] #topic Review last meetings action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Review last meetings action items [18:04] x1k is up for membership but isn't in the channel it seems [18:05] hello [18:05] #progress m4v Pici AlanBell to look into adding ban removal to ubottu cababilities [18:06] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2012-July/001565.html [18:06] I liked what was posted on the mailinglist [18:06] m4v has made good progress [18:06] hi, sorry i'm late [18:06] "I did like everyone to test the feature with scratDev in #ubuntu-bots-test, [18:06] topyli: academic quarter (: [18:06] just go there and set some bans and quiets. Report any bugs you find and ping [18:06] me for questions." [18:06] hi topyli [18:07] yes m4v is doing great [18:08] that does all sound really cool [18:08] so I think we should get lots of people in #ubuntu-bots-test to try it out [18:08] and get bug reports filed and suggestions made [18:09] I tested yesterday with a ban and a quiet, only problems I had were user error. [18:09] the bot responses could be a little more informative, m4v said he was aware and going to work on them. [18:09] ok, well I will certainly have a play with it [18:10] i didn't test this yet, but i'm all for having ubottu handle this. a bit concerned over duplicated effort, but i guess it's things that happen [18:10] it is an ubottu clone isn't it? [18:10] it is [18:11] AlanBell: yeah but i mean, niko also had something like this (except it wasn't 100% an ubottu clone etc, yes i know) [18:11] yes, but there were problems with the test suite etc [18:12] ok, so lets promote the testing of this bot over the next few weeks [18:12] and also try to break it/do evil things to it [18:13] i have dinner now, can't attend any further. don't decide anything i'd approve of! [18:13] hah [18:13] hehe [18:13] LjL: did we ever? :) [18:13] ok, so that is great progress, really pleased with that [18:14] #topic Open items in the IRCC tracker === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Open items in the IRCC tracker [18:14] right, so we redirected a bunch of launchpad emails to the tracker, somewhat more than we expected to do [18:14] now every time someone is added or removed or expires from a team we get a ticket created [18:15] it is a bit of a problem. now we have to go close those tickets, and i've failed to do that [18:15] the intention was to redirect the "contact this team" link to the ticket tracker, but it had unexpected side effects [18:15] You guys are getting all the " This person has extended their membership emails? [18:15] I wasn't sure at first if this was a bug or a feature, but I am now leaning towards "bug" [18:16] I think it's a bug too [18:16] IdleOne: yeah, we get that anyway, but now the tracker hassles us to resolve the "issue" [18:16] yes it backfired a bit, it's not really much better than that stuff coming to my inbox [18:16] s/much/any/ [18:16] ok, so lets undo that then and put it back as it was [18:16] yes [18:17] #action AlanBell to revert the IRCC launchpad contact redirect to the tracker [18:17] ACTION: AlanBell to revert the IRCC launchpad contact redirect to the tracker [18:17] someone is free to take the action of taunting me for suggesting this in the first place :) [18:18] :) [18:18] I think there are no "real" tickets [18:19] right [18:19] * AlanBell closes the open ones [18:20] #topic Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council [18:20] #subtopic bug 892500 eir is still not fit for purpose in #ubuntu [18:20] Launchpad bug 892500 in ubuntu-community "eir is still not fit for purpose in #ubuntu" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/892500 [18:21] well we discussed this one, I will add a note to it linking to that email and the testing we are doing [18:21] still in progress [18:21] yes [18:21] #subtopic bug 913541 there are a number of people with Ubuntu IRC cloaks who have expired from the ubuntumembers group - AlanBell [18:21] Launchpad bug 913541 in ubuntu-community "there are a number of people with Ubuntu IRC cloaks who have expired from the ubuntumembers group" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/913541 [18:21] pici was having a go at this one, I will check the current progress on this and maybe help with it over the next few days, I want to get this to zero [18:22] ok, that is the bugs [18:22] #topic alignment of launchpad teams and channel access lists === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: alignment of launchpad teams and channel access lists [18:22] I haven't done much on this for a bit, but I will pick it up again over the next week or so [18:22] #topic membership applications === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: membership applications [18:23] we have a membership application from x1k in the agenda, however he is not in the channel [18:23] x1k is not around [18:23] deferred? [18:24] probably best [18:24] yes I think so too [18:24] #topic Any Other Business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Any Other Business [18:25] anyone got any other items to raise today? [18:25] i noticed that our team reports are lagging [18:25] BT access? DO all the ops have it? [18:25] Do* [18:25] topyli: that is a very fair point [18:25] those in probation don't, but everyone else? [18:26] those in probation should have access too [18:26] I think [18:26] AlanBell: i can bring them up to date when i'm bored enough [18:26] it is only a lack of actually doing it that is the problem [18:26] it makes it difficult to learn how to use BT without access [18:26] IdleOne: yes [18:27] so how do we give bantracker access, is this a tsimpson question? [18:27] AlanBell: m4v has the capability to add BT access also [18:27] ok, great [18:27] someone on the IRCC should have it too [18:27] so :) [18:27] yeah, that would be handy [18:28] yep, but i don't think any of us does [18:29] ok, that is something to sort out [18:29] it's legacy from the time when tsimpson was on the ircc, and we forgot to handle it [18:30] afaik tsimpson jussi and m4v have the owner capability [18:30] but it only makes sense that the IRCC has the power to add users. [18:30] ok, we will get that sorted and make sure all the ops have access [18:31] we had a training class last week by Myrtti http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/26/%23ubuntu-classroom.html [18:31] which was really good, but lightly attended [18:31] I know some people had timezone issues and wanted to read the logs which is fine [18:32] we have another training session on Thursday 2nd [18:32] at 17:00 UTC with LJL leading it [18:32] we could advertise the log, and maybe my 'helping when you're not an op' class [18:32] a tour of the bots and channels [18:33] topyli: yes, that would be great [18:33] oh, let's wait until that's done too [18:33] i don't think we should wait on spreading good info [18:33] we should try and get more people to participate in the next one, particularly the new operators [18:33] we can have multiple blog posts and do just as well [18:34] true, it's not like we're exactly spamming the planet currently :) [18:34] Myrtti's class was excellent and people should hear about it [18:34] IdleOne: agreed, the more the merrier [18:34] topyli: you have access to the blog, want to post an article about it? [18:34] AlanBell: ok [18:34] #action topyli to blog about the training classes/logs [18:34] ACTION: topyli to blog about the training classes/logs [18:35] ok, any other things to discuss now? [18:35] AlanBell: add an action for me also to fix the team reports so i don't forget [18:35] we tossed one up on the classroom blog late last week too (friday I believe) [18:35] so hopefully that'll help too :) [18:35] #action topyli to sort out team reports [18:35] ACTION: topyli to sort out team reports [18:35] thanks pleia2 [18:38] topyli: maybe add a blurb about testing the new bot features too? :) [18:38] good idea, so if that is everything . . . [18:38] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [18:38] Meeting ended Sun Jul 29 18:38:58 2012 UTC. [18:38] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-29-18.00.moin.txt [18:38] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-29-18.00.html [18:39] thanks everyone [18:39] IdleOne: would a link to m4v's mail suffice (with a little blurb of course)? [18:39] topyli: yeah. also the access list will have to be modified a little in that channel to allow non-ubuntu members to set some bans. it is a testing channel so I don't think much damaga can be done. [18:40] damage* [18:41] how? you're talking to topyli here :) [18:41] topyli: by poking one of your fellow ircc members and making them do it :) [18:41] oh that's something i'm good at [18:41] topyli: m4v could probably help with that also [18:42] yeah [18:43] AlanBell: Wasn't there an idea to have all channels OPs have the same flag template? [18:44] yes, that is in progress [18:44] What template? [18:44] topyli: one thing I don't understand. 20 years on IRC and you still don't know how to set flags :P [18:45] +Aiotv (with exceptions) [18:46] +r can be quite handy though. [18:46] if an op is being banned from a channel, they shouldn't be able to unban themselves [18:46] IdleOne: i know how to set them, but i never learned what they mean :) [18:47] /msg chanserv help flags [18:47] IdleOne: And /cs quiet IdleOne is quite handy, less noise. [18:47] i know that too. i'm running out of excuses. stop that! :) [18:48] Unit193: Sorry if my opinions are noisy [18:48] IdleOne: No, as in chanserv quiets and there is no op/deop. :P [18:49] I thought we were not supposed to hide behind chanserv [18:49] Let me show you in -test channel. [18:49] probably best to show who is doing it mostly [18:49] but yes, #ubuntu-bots-test is the place to play [18:50] AlanBell, my session is at 13:00 UTC, not 17, i think [18:51] LjL: oops, sorry [18:51] LjL: I think I got it mixed up in my head with Myrtti's session, I will make sure it is 13:00 === Guest30039 is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Guest50562 === Guest50562 is now known as Ursinha