=== dwatkins2 is now known as dwatkins [08:07] GOOD MORNING [08:07] :D [08:07] mornin' :) [08:09] \o/ [08:09] how are you this fine morning dwatkins ? [08:09] I'm very good thanks, christel - just making my way through the latest on lifehacker, how about your good self? [08:10] i am very well! the boy wonder decided to let me have a lie-in, always a bonus! :D [08:11] Sundays are for lions, yes. [08:11] Hello [08:11] hi nja [08:11] Anyone here playing around with the Ubuntu Quantal Alpha 3? [08:12] <3 lions \o/ [08:12] * nja bump ^ [08:12] nja: there are lots of people both in this channel and #ubuntu+1, so I imagine so (although they may be sleeping) - not tried it myself, though. [08:13] I just need someone to confirm this bug for me [08:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1030452 [08:13] Ubuntu bug 1030452 in linux (Ubuntu) "Mouse goes invisible upon activating any element." [Undecided,New] [08:13] Yes [08:13] Also did I report it correctly? [08:15] Looks like you have included plenty of data, yeah - does your report mention the version of X11 and the desktop manager in use, nja? [08:15] @dwatkins I used apport so I assume so [08:17] It may have something to do with not enabling 3D accelleration, I will try with that on [08:19] Nope, no difference [08:27] I think I may have found another install bug, but I think I've probably just screwed up my VHD [08:31] Now that's just inconsiderate - a power cut on a Sunday morning :( [08:31] That reminds me, I need a UPS. [08:32] \o/ ups [08:32] (pronounced "oops" ;)) [08:32] dwatkins: odd - that's exactly what went through my mind [08:33] MartijnVdS, SuperEngineer \o/ [08:33] GOOD MORNING [08:33] \o christel [08:33] how are you wonderful people? :D [08:34] tired from running ;) [08:34] christel: tired from running around resetting clocks after power cut ;) [08:34] haha i bet! i hate powercuts! [08:36] It should be fairly easy to put a battery backup into a 12v clock - alternatively, there's always this sort of thing: http://www.galsys.co.uk/network-clocks-displays/radio-controlled-analogue-clock.html [08:36] :D my bug got confimed [08:36] nja: at least it's not a figment of your imagination then 8-) [08:37] @MartijnVdS yes always good to know I'm not insane [08:38] nja: I find it reassuring to always know I *am* insane ;) [08:39] I think I've spotted a new bug too [08:39] I just need to reformat to send it. [08:53] good morning eveyrone. [09:00] good morning brobostigon [09:00] https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/484112_10151288315461959_661083995_n.jpg [09:01] good morning nja [09:02] @parnisa Why do we hate the Olympics so much. ;) [09:03] Its the biggest losers event the greek ever have invented. [09:03] Thousands participate, only very few become immortal. [09:04] The rest will be forgotten and have to spend the rest of their eternity thinking of those very seconds that seperated them from eternal stardom. [09:05] Besides, any Olympics without carriage racing, the main-event of the original games, isnt real Olympics. [09:05] Today that would probably be considered animal cruelty, but abusing humans is perfectly fine. [09:14] morning [09:14] morning lovely [09:14] morning popey and christel [09:15] brobostigon \o/ [09:15] * christel morning huggles [09:15] * brobostigon huggles christel back. [09:16] theres a lot of complains in the media about lack of information from olympic organizers [09:21] anybody here got weather-indicator installed? [09:22] yes and it's stopped being able to update [09:22] parnisa: lack of information? [09:23] i uninstalled the weather indicator because it was very crashy [09:23] I just ask my (Jelly Bean) phone now [09:23] morning [09:23] \o/ Google Now [09:23] does anyone have android 4.1 here, and can tell me where to find the sync and background data settings please.? [09:24] which sync settings? [09:24] the accounts you're syncing? [09:24] yes. [09:24] brobostigon: they're in the main settings page [09:24] brobostigon: let me get my phoen [09:24] http://www.eoshd.com/content/8584/is-this-bone-chilling-timelapse-shot-in-space-onboard-iss-the-best-ever [09:24] A++ would watch again [09:25] * popey looks for his passport [09:25] MartijnVdS: one question, with sync turned off, can apps still get data, like the background data in 2.3 ? [09:25] to whom does one apply to for a visa for the moon? [09:25] brobostigon: you can disable background data per app [09:25] ah, the cheese god, obviously :) [09:25] brobostigon: you can also turn sync on/off per service [09:25] MartijnVdS: so i can do that, within the apps menu? [09:26] brobostigon: No, the main "Settings" interface [09:26] then scroll down to the "Accounts" bit [09:26] then inside those [09:26] (I have "Google" and "Twitter" on there) [09:26] * jacobw is learning node.js today [09:27] server-side js, poor computer [09:27] hopefully i'll have a usable pastebin by the end of the day [09:27] everyone's first web project [09:28] not blocking the single threaded http server is interesting [09:28] That's just the result of using event-based model [09:28] +an [09:28] POE, Twisted, also do this :) [09:29] i've done some stuff with twisted as well [09:29] MartijnVdS: yes, ok, i see google dropbox etc in that list, i have various things like calendar etc set to sync when sync is enabled. however, how do i control what happens, when sync is disabled, i cant see it. [09:29] Laney: thanks - i thought that might be the case [just reinstalled, no different] [09:29] brobostigon: when sync is disabled, it doesn't sync in the background [09:29] only when you open the app [09:30] MartijnVdS: ah, i see. ok, thank you. [09:30] you can disable data per app in the "Data usage" screen [09:30] (third(?) pref from the top) [09:30] MartijnVdS: ok, :) [09:30] SuperEngineer: bug 1030087 [09:30] Launchpad bug 1030087 in indicator-weather (Ubuntu) "Weather Indicator can't refresh" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1030087 [09:30] I disabled background data for spotify.. it was eating data even when I told it to only use wifi [09:30] Laney: I've a mind to go in and confirm it [09:31] already is confirmed [09:31] cool - saves me [09:31] looks like that site earthtools is awol [09:31] not that i've checked the source [09:32] ;) [09:32] Reported another bug: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/484112_10151288315461959_661083995_n.jpg [09:32] darn [09:32] wrong thig [09:32] please don't look at that [09:32] ok [09:32] OK, not so bad, though it was something else [09:33] MartijnVdS: thinking about it, that is good design. [09:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1030472 [09:34] That's it [09:34] Ubuntu bug 1030472 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installer opens with different icon to dock launcher icon." [Undecided,New] [09:34] brobostigon: I heard they're creating new APIs for "metered wifi" as well (wifi where you pay per MB) [09:34] brobostigon: Not all wifi is free anymore :( [09:34] MartijnVdS: interesting idea. [09:35] @lubontu3 do you really have to post that, I made the thread and I know what it says. [09:35] @lubotu3 ^ [09:35] it's a bot. [09:35] MartijnVdS: it is a bot. [09:35] Wow [09:35] sorry. [09:35] * popey reassigns bug 1030472 [09:35] Launchpad bug 1030472 in bamf (Ubuntu) "Installer opens with different icon to dock launcher icon." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1030472 [09:36] and adds an upstream task? ^o) [09:37] * popey will try and confirm it [09:38] once he has eaten his poached eggs on toast brekkie [09:38] what is porridge made with water and salt like? as grim as it sounds? [09:38] i suspect so [09:38] I feel a strange temptation [09:40] i am a savoury rather than sweet person, but savoury porridge just sounds/looks unappealing [09:41] hmm, thats hard to test in a vm [09:44] i think it's just scottish porridge [09:46] does that mean it's nice? [09:48] i'm not sure [09:51] seems like we've decided tomorrow morning's breakfast [09:51] yum yum [09:56] Porridge with water and salt - quite common really.. how most of the quick-cook and instant ones work [09:57] SToats Berryfeast is a good line.. [09:57] sounds like it has berries in it [09:57] VERBOTEN. [09:58] why verboten? [10:01] then it's not oats + water + salt [10:02] Go for their basic one then... [10:03] I think I can manage to whip it up on my own [10:03] really. I was just hoping somebody would tell me that they've had it and it's not that bad. [10:07] all "grain+liquid cooked slowly to form a gloopy consistency" is called porridge in Finland... I keep confusing D by wanting to eat "rice porridge" [10:08] and in Finland rice or barley porridge can be a valid meal of it's own [10:11] The instant porridge to steer WELL clear of is Ready Brek. [10:11] According to HCAs I know who;ve had to make it - it's bloody terrible to make up. [10:14] my kids used to love ready brek [10:14] especially with a dollop of jam in [10:16] HCAs? [10:25] popey: +1 to ready brek every time [best "keep your adult self a child" medicine there is] [10:28] jacobw: HCA = HelpfulAdultCreep [10:28] ;) [10:28] that doesn't make sense [10:28] it does to me [10:28] * jacobw gnaws on SuperEngineer untils he's dead [10:29] keep gnawing buddy - only krytonite harms me - not you [10:29] yarg! [10:39] Laney: its not that bad if you like porridge I guess. But I can only really cope with about 3 spoonfuls of sweet porridge before I get bored of it. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === GentileBen is now known as RaycisCharles [11:19] ooo - wet stuff falling from the sky - yellow sky sphere gone :( [11:20] yeh [11:20] Not sure what to do about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1030475 [11:21] Ubuntu bug 1030475 in Ubuntu "Installer keeps saying computer name is already on network" [Undecided,New] [11:23] nja: Should be against ubiquity - that's the installer [11:23] @penguin42 Will change [11:25] BEST THING EVER: http://youtu.be/1SbQXvSrVbE [11:25] nja: Can you just clarify it, you mean if it autonames it something like njadesktop, then you change it to foo, but undo the change to njadesktop then it complains? [11:26] @penguin42 yes [11:26] but I discovered that If I edit another field it shows the true meaning [11:26] nja: OK, can you explain that a bit more in a comment - it's not quite obvious [11:26] doctor who and the daleks, ch5, 12:35. :) [11:26] e.g. [11:28] brobostigon: thanks [SuperEngineer hums durum-durum, durum-durum...] [11:29] * Flashtek burps [11:30] hey Flashtek [11:30] [& no need to panic - these Daleks can't climb stairs or fly] [11:35] hey zleap [11:36] you going hi [11:36] SuperEngineer: :) [11:37] SuperEngineer: isnt this the one, where he is a human, not a time lord.? [11:38] Flashtek, chatting on dclug too [11:39] brobostigon: can't remember... but {we are both} about to find out ;) [11:40] SuperEngineer: i think it might have been the first two films where he was. [11:40] zleap: so i see... [11:40] SuperEngineer: yep, it is, :) [11:42] :) [11:42] it's also the one with an idiot for a partner [sorry Roy] ;) [11:43] true. [11:44] i am trying to download the game from the raspPIthon and can't open the archive zip file [11:45] the doors open the wrong way round. :) [11:46] nja: i've noticed that bug as well [11:46] @jacobw :D not insane [11:49] i haven't seen it happen with autogenerated hostnames that are unique to the network, but if you use a hostname that existed a few hours ago ubiquity will get an ARP response for that hostname and consider it present [11:49] jacobw: I think he's saying if you autogen the hostname, go to a manual name and then back to the autogen one it breaks? [11:50] i think i've seen that too [11:50] but it doesn't prevent you setting whatever hostname you like :) [11:50] how do i extract a zip file from the command line ? [11:50] unzip [11:51] thanks [11:51] hmm [11:51] I can't get it to unzip the raspPIthon game [11:51] https://github.com/ryanteck/RasPiThon/tree/master/Raspberroids [11:51] from here [11:52] aloha [11:52] hi [11:53] wow they checked a zipfile into the git repository? wow [11:53] and a Thumbs.db too [11:53] windows users lol [11:53] ok [11:53] +so why can't i extract it [11:54] how did you download it? [11:54] right clickand download [11:54] how are we meant to download it [11:54] because it's a HTML document [11:54] grrr [11:54] heh... what he said ^ [11:54] why does it have a zip extention [11:54] tha's a git repo [11:54] because it's a zip file [11:54] so what do I do [11:54] `file RasPiThonFinalDownload.zip` [11:54] but the link is not a download link [11:54] ffs [11:54] so what do I do [11:54] left click on it [11:55] then click view raw [11:55] then it should download properly [11:55] you';re not supposed to check in zipfiles to a git repo like this... [11:56] github has a seperate downloads section which is where they should have put the zip [11:57] github is not dropbox :) [11:57] hang on it still isn't working [11:57] clicking that link locked up firefox [11:57] it's probably corrupted the file due to mimetypes and/or line ending conversion [11:57] zleap, "isn't working" doesn't scribe whats happening [11:57] which link popey? [11:57] https://github.com/ryanteck/RasPiThon/tree/master/Raspberroids [11:58] ok, finally now got a response [11:58] well, there's no reason for that [11:58] nvm [11:58] "view raw" works for me. zipfile opens correctly [11:59] be warned, it doesn't have a top level directory, so it will spam whatever directory you unzip in [11:59] windows users lol [11:59] ok i have extracted to a directory on my hdd now what [11:59] python main.py? [12:00] ImportError: No module named player_info [12:00] when i do execute in geany [12:00] but it's obviously right there [12:00] but i have a module called that in the list on the side [12:01] yeah its there [12:01] i know nothing about python or very little [12:01] rm *.pyc [12:01] they incuded pyc files, i suspect for the wrong architecture [12:02] ok [12:02] well it still wont' run [12:03] do i need to run make or something first [12:03] (using geany) [12:03] no [12:03] ok [12:03] python mainmenu.py [12:04] well thats unplayable [12:04] no it isn't [12:04] opk that works [12:04] it's just very hard [12:04] mainmenu.py [12:04] i like the music [12:04] i think they have assumed the timing of an arm device [12:04] but i was expecting a proper asteroids game [12:05] pygame doesn't work like that [12:05] ok [12:05] what framerate you get? [12:05] ok it works noiw [12:05] now [12:05] i get about 70fps [12:05] it's just about playable [12:06] well you got 4people aged 12 - 16 doing this, so i guess we need to give them some credit, as it was done over 48 hours [12:06] yeah, 70-80fps [12:06] i managed to shoot and simultaneously get hit by a raspberroid [12:06] hmm [12:07] i would kinda of expect an .py file called game or raspbroids [12:07] raspberroids.py [12:07] yeah or at least main.py to be ... the main one [12:07] Are you making a python game? [12:07] who me [12:08] i made a python game once [12:08] no just commenting on the fact you need to run mainmenu,py [12:08] http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/md/ [12:08] it's even harder to figure out how to run it than this [12:09] this music is really catchy [12:09] "Adding a dude" [12:10] i've just been made aware of the 'sad panda' meme [12:10] my life is better now :) [12:13] do-do doooooooo, do-do dooooooooo [12:13] yeah the music is good [12:15] here's another game i made in python: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/th.tar [12:15] i think that took about 3 hours [12:15] i stole the graphics from somewhere though [12:15] cool [12:16] hmm, that bug you filed about usb performance ali1234 [12:16] i am dding zeroes to a 250GB disk over USB [12:16] my browser keeps dimming [12:16] yeah, that's the one [12:16] ~80% iowait [12:17] so, for th, move with arrow keys, collect coins, and if a skeleton attacks you press space [12:19] I want to test more of Ubuntu Alpha, but I think using broken OSes drives me INSANE!!%!"£!!!! [12:20] ali1234, whats the bug number again please? [12:20] nja, broken how? [12:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/770258 [12:20] Ubuntu bug 770258 in linux (Ubuntu) "Extremely high latency when writing to USB drives." [Undecided,Incomplete] [12:20] @popey Well it's alpha, it's full of bugs [12:20] yeah, more specifically? [12:20] not reeeaaaally [12:20] and shut up @lubotu3 [12:21] the alphas aren't that buggy [12:21] until the day it breaks totally [12:21] @ali1234 I'm finding pleanty of bugs [12:21] but most the time they're not worse than release [12:21] yeah... i find bugs in release every day :) [12:22] ali1234, i reckon you could reliably reproduce that bug doing what I'm doing [12:22] and see if mainline kernel does it too [12:22] perhaps [12:23] you mentioned the browser dimming [12:23] yeah, all my cores are iowait maxed [12:23] what seems to happen is that if no i/o, a process can max a core without dimming [12:23] but as soon as you get i/o, the process will dim if it tries to do a lot of cpu [12:24] i don't really know how to debug io though [12:24] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/111404712/Screenshot%20from%202012-07-29%2013%3A18%3A34.png [12:24] i've looked at iotop but i can't make sense of it [12:25] also i'm right in the middle of a wordpress coding project that needs to be done in the next two weeks [12:25] so i don't really want to start messing with kernels right now [12:25] I'll give it a go once this disk finishes, i have another to do [12:26] not until i deliver this thing anyway [12:27] Anyone here used Eclipse Juno? [12:27] It's the new eclipse version, after Indigo [12:27] It's now gone stable [12:29] It's way too sparkly for me [12:35] nja: I've run it - it's the default on Quantal - or trying to debug my Android app; I didn't notice any differences [12:35] @penguin42 On Windows the theme is totally different [12:35] Not sure about Ubuntu [12:35] I believe ubuntu is still Indigo in the public PPA [12:36] nja: It's 3.8 on Quantal [12:38] nja: Ah, Juno is apparently 4.2 - so not sure what 3.8 is [13:16] ooo - yellow shere back in sky [ [13:16] ] [13:17] yay [13:18] where?! [13:21] Glos. [13:22] [rumour has it that it might even show itself to lesser counties sometime some ;) ] [13:23] If I look carefully I can see some blue sky - a little patch [13:24] penguin42: ...if you wish hard enough [& tap your heels together three times] it might just.. [13:32] * brobostigon plays about with face unlock. [13:36] Study Finds Global Warming Is Real And Man-Made http://tinyurl.com/warming-real [13:38] SuperEngineer: Having a problem with extremes of weather? [13:39] nah - not me - just the rest [13:40] [p.s. current weather is exactly as predicted for this little island of ours - during global warming] [13:41] SuperEngineer: It would be interesting to record something like how often 'records' of coldest/wettest weather are broken; it's not the individual events but if we keep getting coldest winters followed by wettest summers etc then it would be more compelling [13:42] penguin42: correct... & we are [13:43] * SuperEngineer speaks from the place that first went under-water in July a few years back [13:43] yeh [13:43] face unlock is fun, but very insecure in real terms. [13:46] penguin42: btw the prediction is for milder winters & wetter summers [13:47] * SuperEngineer calculates the energy required to move the jet stream [13:48] SuperEngineer: We had a pretty nasty winter last year though [13:49] * SuperEngineer refers penguin42 to penguin42's own earlier statement re consistant [13:50] [yea gads - I'm sounding like a politician - save me please!!!!] [13:50] haha [13:51] SuperEngineer: I just don't know how long a period you have to go for until you can declare it is part of the effect - I mean there have been really cold periods in the past that have had nothing to do with humans, and heck none of us have been around for long enough to get to understand the patterns over a few decades [13:52] (I agree it's happening, I just don't know whether to blame this summer on it!) [13:57] penguin42: basically two choices: believe or disbelieve results of polar ice-core samples, call it real or call it coincidence [13:58] SuperEngineer: I believe in climate change and I believe it's probably causing ice melt; I'm just not sure how much it's causing changes in our year-to-year weather [13:59] (*so far) [14:01] penguin42: not talking about ice melt - talking about core samples showing millenia of weather changes and the "coincidental" difference pre & post industrial age human. [this might be going a wee bit off topic for this channel btw] [14:01] (There's a topic?) [14:01] dunno [14:02] just don't to bore the others [14:02] *want to... [14:02] I'm not sure any of the others are awake [14:02] :D [14:03] hehe [14:03] don't worry, we'll get loud if you bore us too much [14:03] somebody say boo & prove you're awake [14:03] do continue, tis interesting enough ;) [14:03] wow! [14:04] SuperEngineer: So yeh that story shows a link between CO2 levels/land temperatures and humans; but what about the quality of summer/winters - I know that in principal there is some possibility to screw up the jet stream and it has misbehaved for us this year - but is that a link? [14:06] no it's not [neccessarily] a link - but the jet jet-stream moved a few years back [and it's just started returning to "home"position actually] [14:06] nod [14:07] I was simply in awe of the amount of atmospheric etc energy difference to do that. [14:08] & to all those wondering... yes, SuperEngineer does have a serious side after all [so meh!] ;) [14:08] * penguin42 isn't sure how you work that out - I mean it's not actually the energy to move n m^3 of hot air; because that air is moving anyway, it's just changing the path a bit [14:09] damn - just went back to normal /me [14:10] penguin42: it's about evaporation rates over water, atmospheric densities, temperature differentials,..... [14:10] * SuperEngineer blows mind trying to calculate [14:10] SuperEngineer: Nod, yeh and about the way the borders of the different cells interact [14:11] mais oui monsieur [14:11] ...& please - nobody mention super-cells [14:25] SuperEngineer: But the question is whether it'll have more impact on sea life than the elevated caffeine levels ( http://io9.com/5928303/human-urine-to-blame-for-elevated-levels-of-caffeine-found-in-coastal-waters ) [14:33] penguin42: wtf... you wanna start on elevated levels of female hormones in drinking water due to excess pee'd by by those on hrt as well [14:36] caffeine is funnier [14:36] to coin a phrase my own home-blood land "oi moight be daaaft, but oi not be stuuupid" [14:37] *from my [14:41] & btw, my home blood is Devon [14:41] clotted cream blood? [14:43]