[01:20] * netritious wipes brow [01:21] finally have arch booting...what a chore :/ [01:27] lol [01:28] so you found "The Arch Way" [01:29] what's that? [01:29] asked google...no, i followed the new wiki entry for the new media iso [01:30] the problem is it leaves out a great deal of steps [01:30] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Install_Scripts [01:31] like, it's detailed enough for most of it, but not detailed enough to get it booting with grub2 [01:31] you bootstrapped your own? [01:31] :O [01:31] yeah [01:31] holy**** [01:32] and now I'm up and running ;) [01:32] yeah I'd say that would be a chore [01:32] congrats though [01:32] thx just had to dig more into grub2 config [01:33] was there any reason why you wanted to do that? Or just out of fun* [01:34] i couldn't find any other link for downloading media...seems to be the only way [01:34] or it could be I didn't read enough [01:35] stoopid wifi [01:35] public wifi or bad router? [01:36] just really far from my home router [01:38] cake song just popped in my head... "he's going the distance, he's going for speed..." lol [01:38] lol [08:29] hey sleeping people, did Google Fiber sign up for the *AA's 6-strike rule? [15:30] good morning guys [15:53] 'morning vychune [15:53] how you doing [15:57] alright [15:57] ponied up for a vpn so I'm actually using my internet connection again [15:58] morning guys [15:59] RagnarokAngel, you couodn't use it without a VPN? or just wouldn't? [16:00] too much filtering/censorship with campus internet [16:00] Ahhhhhhhh right. [16:00] where are you stuck, btw? if I may ask. [16:00] Harrogate. [16:00] never heard of it... O_o [16:01] Up on the border of KY and VA [16:01] North of Tazewell [16:01] okay.... because google says New YorkShire, England. [16:01] haha [16:01] yeah it likes to default across the pond unless you specify TN [16:01] yeah [16:01] sometimes my work really pisses me off. [16:01] sigh. [16:02] SUNDAY and I am checking sql jobs because one of our client's IT department cannot get it right. [16:03] that blows [16:03] Yes, yes it does. [16:03] I've really felt like just ripping apart this school's security. [16:03] I'm supposed to be a helpdesk tech that is moving into template development. [16:04] doesn't sound like you should be checking sql jobs [16:04] no, but guess what? I get to work in 3 depts. [16:04] sigh [16:06] I contain the skill, otherwise this client would be SOL. one of our sysadmins was on vacation last week and the other one is useless and was too tied up in other clients anyway. [16:08] damn [16:10] I'm having to move a full DB backup of their devl environment to a different server, their NAS, which would be fine but their network sucks badly enough it'll take about 2 hrs to move 103GB. [16:16] * altg3k3 steps off his soapbox [16:19] omg [16:21] what? [16:29] vychune, ? [16:30] all that work when it could be so much easier [16:30] oh yeah. I know. [16:30] Not our system to manage, just my job to make sure their prod environment gets a full backup [16:30] and stays backup itself up [16:31] sigh. Windows. I long for cron jobs [16:32] vychune, the kicker? I'm at home... accessing their VPN from my work laptop. [16:32] and have the availability to do anything I need to. [16:33] hmm well thats good [16:33] just installed WinXP for my mom's optiplex that i found for her [16:34] Nice! [16:34] We use optiplex' at work. for our clients [16:35] they hand out latitude laptops for employees. [16:36] i love latitude [16:37] yeah they're pretty awesome. [16:37] since I'm moving to dev and have been there a year with only a desktop they got me a new one in the fiirst set of replacement [16:37] i need a laptop badly myself lol [16:38] nice [16:44] you guys know any laptop grants for students? [16:46] Your college might have their own 'store' with discounts. [16:47] and by that I mean a link on their website that takes you to a discounted spot that a laptop vendor has set up for them. [16:50] efollet -_- [16:54] anybody know much about the UMUC? [16:56] or anybody attend DeVry or ITT? [16:56] Trying to find a college with decent name, good tech courses... and minimal BS classes. [17:01] SWTCC [17:01] or TCC [17:01] TTC* [17:01] southwest TN or tennessee tech? [17:01] exactly [17:02] I guess I should add that can award a bachelor's degree. [17:02] oooooooo [17:02] yeah. :/ [17:02] would LIKE online... [17:02] id rather go to a full college lol [17:02] im still young [17:02] I'm only 21. [17:02] jerk. :P and I'd rather go to a full college, too but with work. meh [17:03] then why do you want to go the quick route? [17:03] ah [17:03] my job. I really don't want to have to stop. [17:03] i'm almost 21 [17:04] where are you going now? [17:06] 2 hours for 103GB? [17:06] must be over wifi [17:06] binarymutant, I hope not, or their pipe is getting clobbered. [17:06] binarymutant: lol whats up dude [17:07] NEED MORE JIGGWATTS [17:07] altg3k3: Southwest [17:07] not much just poppinh in [17:07] vychune, nice. I have an assoc.. just not sure where to go from here for the B.S., but want to minimize the 'extra' gen ed stuff. [17:07] I know it is whiny, but with work and everything else I have no motivation to write history papers or english research papers. [17:11] i hated english [17:11] i failed it the first time [17:12] I almost failed history. [17:12] 79.7 [17:12] that wonderful woman rounded for me. [17:14] i was that close for Project Management [17:14] 75 [17:14] a C at SWTCC [17:16] yeah. [17:16] i'd have passed with a 79 but it would've brought my GPA lower than I wanted. [17:17] i actually liked my GPA lol [17:17] i had a 1.5 [17:17] it went up to a 2.7 [17:18] Nice [17:18] bleh now I feel old as I'm 23 and still working on this damned english major. [17:18] oh f*** that lol [17:23] <-- didn't go [17:23] <-- not in the field I want either [17:24] binarymutant: aw thats too bad [17:24] yeah [17:24] binarymutant: why not? [17:24] idk no one will hire me [17:24] although I did pass up on a .net job in MI [17:25] i meant the school part [17:25] oh to much money [17:26] time/effort little payback [17:26] ah [17:26] For some reason I think if i got an associates at pellissippi I doubt it would pay off [17:27] pellissippi? [17:27] yeah [17:28] Community College [17:31] * netritious never expected to see binarymutant, .Net, and job in one sentence XD [17:31] pass up was the keyword [17:31] true [17:32] I was |----| <--that close to becoming a trained .Net professional back in '08 [17:32] they're crazy, 3 person IT dept for 6 different manufacturers. They were going to do a CMS from scratch [17:32] in .net [17:32] ew [17:32] yeah [17:32] f that [17:33] no one will use it anyway. >.> [17:33] dotnetnuke sounds like a better option imho [17:33] ikr, I was like you'd cut down on time by just using an already established cms [17:33] yep, and dotnetnuke is even older than WP...been around for a loooong time [17:34] they were also all about only using MS products bc they wanted homogenious enviroment [17:34] smells like old school to me [17:35] well the entire, 3ppl, team is younger than me [17:35] and fired up about MS apparently lol [17:35] lol yeah [17:36] they were college educated but apparently missed the CS101 lecture about code reuse [17:36] LOL [17:36] their 1 dev will quit and no one will be able to read that garbage, it would have been a bad choice for me even though it's family owned [17:37] yeah, and MI? to friggin' cold if you ask me [17:37] lol [17:37] MI sounds good to me in the summer though [17:37] too hot here [17:37] solution: work from home in winter [17:37] yeah it does get hot down here [17:37] lol yes [17:38] hey binarymutant, installed gnome3 in arch. Works ok in a vm. [17:38] until I find that linux job it's cooking for me :D [17:39] netritious, I can't believed you bootstrapped that [17:39] lol like I said, couldn't find any other install media to download, and the new install media is all about the bootstrap method [17:39] that's like doing LFS but adding pacman [17:40] I've thought about tackling LFS but confused by some of the docs [17:40] http://www.archlinux.org/download/ [17:40] I couldn't compile glib on LFS and gave up (years ago) [17:40] glibc* [17:41] if you inspect that page, where do you see anything other than the dual_netinstall media? Am I just completely over looking it? [17:41] netinstall works for me :D [17:42] do you use the Arch Install Scripts? [17:42] no [17:42] so there is an installer akin to say di? [17:42] di? [17:42] debian installer [17:42] is that the graphical one? [17:43] yes and no...not like a live cd/dvd install, but yes has GUI [17:43] basicly the arch iso just gives you busybox [17:43] busybox and pacman, you download the rest. No gui [17:44] hm....maybe I should read a bit of The Arch Way [17:44] I've never actually read that wiki page [17:44] I'm over it. It's interesting though. Installed openSUSE in a vm this morning with KDE (default) desktop. [17:45] just trying different things. [17:45] that's cool, it's nice to try different distros I guess [17:45] with 500GB of RAID1 storage for vm's I thought it was time to put it to use :P [17:45] I'm a stick to 1 type guy, although I guess it's 2 now since moving to arch [17:46] I've heard good things about Suse [17:46] what's their package manager? [17:46] yast [17:46] me to. A real good friend of mine is a winders admin and thinks Suse is the shiz [17:47] setting up centos next. [17:47] is yast like apt-get or yum? [17:47] *next=now [17:47] or is it different? [17:47] more like yum [17:49] yum and apt-get are the same to me [17:49] we used OpenSUSE for an info sec class in college. [17:49] I was sitting there updating it, and sadly enough.. the teacher was like 'what are you doing?' [17:49] they are all similar...install and upgrade packages [17:49] I remember when red hat first did yum I was like so they finally copied apt [17:49] 'updating...' [17:50] And for an info sec class he used a HORRIBLE practice... [17:50] su root........... [17:50] what's wrong with su root? [17:50] su root? [17:50] why not just su [17:50] Eh i've had people tell me it's bad practice because it sticks you as root [17:50] instead of sudo [17:50] :P [17:51] sudo is the new way, pushed by ubuntu [17:51] binarymutant, well, that's another comment on this guy. [17:51] it's not a bad practice, could be considered an old practice though [17:52] binarymutant: I've read that it's bad practice, but for all practicality, it comes in handy being root sometimes [17:52] i have a question [17:52] it's not a bad practice, that's just something Ubuntu has been pushing for years [17:53] agreed [17:53] though, if you have a team of admins a single root is silly [17:53] yeah [17:54] vychune: we don't tolerate questions [17:54] just ask dude [17:54] I'd just been told, from a sec standpoint, that it's risky since it leaves the terminal as the root user instead of timing out. [17:54] * netritious is joking of course [17:54] altg3k3, that doesn't make sense to [17:54] me* [17:55] well, for sudo binarymutant, by default you have a session expiry with privielage escalation [17:55] *please excuse typos [17:55] yes but that .lock is there for awhile [17:56] that's a user error for not typing `exit` [17:56] or closing the terminal, etc. [17:56] +1,000,000 binarymutant [17:56] sudo didn't always exist :D [17:56] binarymutant, I'd agree, but considering he didn't even know how to update OpenSUSE. [17:56] exactly [17:56] lol [17:57] sudo was apparently made as a babysitter for retards [17:57] lol [17:57] updates? on linux? I thought that was just for winders. [17:57] lol [17:57] at work, it is general policy that you mess with someone's computer if it is left unlocked. [17:58] sorta like messing with someones FB account if it's left open in a browser :D [17:58] yeah [17:58] rm -rf ~/.* [17:58] THAT only happened once. [17:58] now I lock EVERYTHING. [17:58] binarymutant, exactly [17:58] sadly we're a windows envir [17:59] you guys love malware [17:59] so it's mostly flipping screens. or taking a screenshot of the desktop and removing all the icons. [17:59] binarymutant, we actually are pretty efficient against it. [17:59] :D [17:59] windows has it's place. I don't get malware and virii. The last one I had was over 10 years ago. [18:00] for a windows envir, I'm impressed by our lack of infections. lol [18:00] i clean up plenty of systems that do get infected though [18:00] :P [18:00] which just goes to show you that an idiot is an idiot regardless of what OS is installed [18:01] nah I can browse the same sites without worrying about that stuff [18:01] or open any email :P [18:01] well you do have a point...most malware payloads are directed at winders [18:02] only due to market penetration [18:02] I'd think my work would have more problems.. .and be targeted more (it's coming, though). [18:02] we are healthcare IT. [18:02] right, and that has changed with Android (market penetration) [18:02] Yeah [18:03] ah I have seen the android malware genome project [18:03] what did you think binarymutant? [18:03] idk I try not to [18:03] lol [18:03] LOL [18:04] is it actually malware on android or is it people giving permissions to bad people? [18:04] What would you do in this situation?: You are in bed fast asleep, when suddenly a boom sounds off into your room, and someone says (maybe your Mother) that they need your help with a computer problem [18:05] (the boom is your door opening) [18:05] vychune, unplug it [18:05] oh [18:06] vychune, have you seen IT Crowd? "Have you tried turning it off and on again" [18:06] LOL. @ that reference. [18:06] I need to get that for my ringtone.. [18:06] yeahh [18:06] love that show [18:07] now add this [18:08] the problem is the need to search Google Maps for directions [18:08] lol [18:09] lol [18:09] TO A CASINO [18:11] YOU MEAN TO TELL ME SHE CAN'T SEE BIG ASS GOLD STRIKE?!?!?!?!? [18:12] or USE A COMPUTER?!?!? [18:13] the only Android malware stories I see are coming from msn & affiliates [18:14] binarymutant: really? [18:14] ive heard a few from friendsbut thats all [18:14] yeah msn.com, zdnet, pcworld [18:14] pcworld is with M$? [18:15] all page 1 google [18:15] who knew? lol [18:15] uh [18:15] (i know i should pay attention more lol) [18:17] I'd say MS is pcworlds biggest revenue [18:17] no facts to back up tho [18:19] oh ok [18:20] samething with zdnet [18:20] no facts just guessing [18:23] ah ok then [18:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCWorld_(magazine)#Controversy IDG "was pressuring him to avoid stories that were critical of major advertisers." [18:24] I'm sure it doesn't just apply to Apple [18:24] guess i gotta new a new PC mag [18:24] You can keep ahead of magazines by following the right rss feeds :D [18:25] oh yeah [18:25] lol [18:25] i keep up with OMG Ubuntu [18:25] Ehhh... [18:25] keep ahead of OMG Ubuntu with this feed http://planet.ubuntu.com/ [18:26] straight from the devs blogs [18:26] thank u [18:27] oh oh, you could keep ahead of the devs blogs by following the ubuntu-devel mailing list :P [18:27] and prolly keep ahead of that with the IRC channel lol [18:27] brb [18:28] smh lol [18:31] Urbanterror! [18:31] brb [18:33] lol ok [18:33] i love urban terror [18:55] Unit193: didnt see you there whats up! [18:55] Howdy. [18:55] cha doing [18:55] ? [18:56] Not a ton right now, going to rVNC into sisters laptop tonight though to fix stuff up. [19:06] netritious: i have been looking through the arch stuff, man they have gone to moderate to difficult [19:07] wrst: so it's not just me? [19:07] no the install used to be the easy part of it [19:10] the only thing that was confusing for me was the bit about installing grub. [19:10] *grub2 [19:11] i imagine from this line: AIF had to be dropped due to lack of maintenance and contributions. Of course we would appreciate it if people would start hacking on it to bring it up to par. [19:11] they are looking for some help there [19:11] i never made it that far netritious but about to give it a go [19:15] netritious: the wiki has changed some since last night i would give it a few weeks and the docs will be good and probaly a few more and htey will have the Arch Installation Framework back up [19:15] it's not so bad, just takes a minute [19:19] wrst netritious what you guys talking about? [19:19] ima dl the arch iso and see whats up [19:19] binarymutant: you are greeted with a boot prompt with the arch install now [19:21] downloading the iso [19:21] you can't just type `boot`? [19:21] or something [19:21] nope [19:22] hmm [19:22] binarymutant: www.archlinux.org [19:22] yeah downloading the iso now [19:22] i'm going to see whats up [19:22] check out the lead blog [19:22] the docs haven't proably caught up with the change [19:24] arch maintainers dont make too much sense. You don't have to drop something just bc it's not being actively developed [19:35] binarymutant: may be something due to some of the recent changes possibly but i used a disk from 2010 and had no issues, i'm guessing its mainly because of grub2 [19:51] binarymutant: when you boot the latest iso, and choose to install, you are given a root prompt (bash). [19:51] booting now [19:52] weird [19:53] yup [19:55] welp looks like Arch is about to die [19:55] lol [19:57] no one is going to want to bootstrap an install [20:04] linux snobs maybe, or veterans [20:05] binarymutant: i think they just need someone to work on the installer i'm guessing [20:07] the arch community at first glance looks to be like a bunch of snobs not willing to hand hold, but I get it, KISS and all. [20:07] You really learn something when you have to go through all the little processes that are typically automated in other distros. [20:08] so on one spectrum there is LFS, then on the other a Live installer, and arch would be somewhere near the former. [20:10] ubuntu wants to be friendly, b/c maybe you or someone you know will hear about it, install it, and maybe, just maybe, buy support. [20:10] Also, made to transistion windows users over so it has to be simple. [20:13] urgh arch is grossing me out [20:13] Yeah Unit193, a lot of distros seem to have that goal. [20:15] yeah, it's like a step backwards. [20:15] binarymutant: ^ [20:15] I don't want it to be LFS [20:15] even gentoo doesn't require bootstrapping [20:16] what's weird to me is that for a bootstrapped, supposedly minimal install, it still takes up almost 1GB. [20:16] omg really? [20:17] yep. [20:17] it used to be a 300mb install [20:17] df -h reported somewhere around 900+ MB...don't recall the exact number, but I was a little surprised. [20:18] Awwwh, and I kinda liked the idea of arch. :( [20:19] Unit193: they will change this i'm sure [20:19] binarymutant: I didn't purge the package cache after install though. idk how to do that with pacman. That might have something to do with it. [20:19] wrst: That's great. [20:19] yeah maybe [20:19] I might be going back to debian now [20:19] netritious: that's likely it that is a pretty big part depending [20:19] binarymutant: i like debian testing when it works [20:20] sid is where I'd be going [20:21] I pretty much rely on debian stable for server, ubuntu lts for desktop, kvm-qemu for vm's. [20:21] binarymutant: only thing is its not meant to be used like arch is [20:22] LTS? Alrighty.... [20:22] *and winders for some dev stuff. [20:22] wrst, what do you mean? [20:22] *and gaming [20:22] I may have to learn kvm, but not sure if hardware is good enough. [20:22] Unit193: what's wrong with LTS? [20:22] Stale. [20:22]