* Riddell eyes over http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/4.9.0.html | 09:04 | |
apachelogger | ahoy ahoy | 09:41 |
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Riddell | hum, anyone know what's up with okular in kubuntu-ninjas? it can't find libspectre but it's installed and it works locally | 09:41 |
Riddell | "we have to release another security bugfix release this weeks because of recently discovered security problems." hmm ScottK might be right about his dislike of php in owncloud | 10:17 |
yofel | I'm currently learning PHP for work, and it's horrible enough so I would agree with that | 10:24 |
yofel | Riddell: okular needs a build-dep on pkg-config | 10:24 |
Riddell | ooh well spotted yofel | 10:29 |
shadeslayer | \o/ | 12:23 |
shadeslayer | Got my Raspi | 12:23 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: going to port kubuntu to armv6 now? :) | 12:24 |
shadeslayer | heh, there's a debian distro specially built for the Raspberry Pi, called Raspbian | 12:24 |
shadeslayer | it's installing over the network atm | 12:24 |
shadeslayer | unfourtunately, the entire Northern Grid in India has gone down or sth, so barely any electricity :P | 12:25 |
shadeslayer | we could just help Raspbian update it's KDE packages ;) | 12:26 |
* shadeslayer will probably run PMC on it on a full HD TV | 12:27 | |
shadeslayer | Riddell: http://yfrog.com/hsyyzvlj | 12:41 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: USB power supply in top right? | 12:45 |
shadeslayer | yep | 12:45 |
shadeslayer | the other USB is the keyboard :) | 12:46 |
Riddell | shadeslayer: where's the monitor? | 12:46 |
Riddell | that's the top middle one without a plug in it? | 12:46 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: it's a old school CRT TV that I've hooked it up to right now :P | 12:46 |
shadeslayer | bottom middle | 12:46 |
shadeslayer | no ethernet near the HDTV | 12:46 |
shadeslayer | ( couldn't get tethering to work as well, the network kernel is really minimal ) | 12:47 |
Riddell | that's not a VGA socket bottom middle? | 12:47 |
shadeslayer | nope | 12:47 |
Riddell | but what is it? | 12:47 |
shadeslayer | Component Video | 12:48 |
shadeslayer | :P | 12:48 |
shadeslayer | and wow, that image is really small | 12:50 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dy0i54jytlyyjn4/IMAG0001_COVER.jpg | 12:53 |
shadeslayer | everything is a bit tight, from the power connector to the SD card slot at the bottom | 12:54 |
shadeslayer | USB adapters are alright though | 12:54 |
Riddell | "Richard Johnson (nixternal) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" | 13:03 |
ScottK | Sigh. | 13:03 |
Riddell | ScottK: sigh? | 13:04 |
ScottK | About nixternal. | 13:04 |
ScottK | And because I misread it. | 13:04 |
ScottK | I read removed for renewed. | 13:04 |
Riddell | it's nice he still loves us, but he doesn't do much so you could argue he should step down (or better - start doing useful things again) | 13:05 |
apachelogger | if he really loved us he'd do useful things :'( | 13:08 |
apachelogger | afiestas_: can you explain to me why some windows are on one activity only and others are on all activities? | 13:09 |
afiestas_ | apachelogger: I can't, ask ivan | 13:10 |
apachelogger | afiestas_: what's his irc nick? | 13:10 |
ScottK | Riddell: If he bothered to renew, there's hope he'll come back. | 13:11 |
ScottK | Riddell and yofel: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ | 13:12 |
yofel | already read it | 13:12 |
ScottK | OK. | 13:12 |
ScottK | So then you know. | 13:13 |
apachelogger | http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59011-Firefox-KDE-support&p=304990&viewfull=1#post304990 | 13:28 |
apachelogger | anyone understands that? | 13:28 |
shadeslayer | apachelogger: not me | 13:32 |
* shadeslayer was wondering what he was trying to say as well | 13:32 | |
Riddell | apachelogger: someone who doesn't get the technical impossibility of using XUL themes in Qt | 13:32 |
apachelogger | but what does he want? | 13:35 |
apachelogger | kde-look in firefox? | 13:35 |
Riddell | apachelogger: best ignored? | 13:37 |
Riddell | hi vprints_, akademy all tidied up? | 13:37 |
vprints_ | hi :) | 13:39 |
vprints_ | mostly, yes | 13:39 |
vprints_ | still have some boxes though :D | 13:39 |
shadeslayer | ones with ponies in them? | 13:40 |
vprints_ | :D | 13:40 |
shadeslayer | ship them to apachelogger ;) | 13:40 |
vprints_ | there might be some ponies :D | 13:40 |
apachelogger | Riddell: he sent a mail to me :P | 13:40 |
apachelogger | vprints_: ponies | 13:41 |
apachelogger | \o/ | 13:41 |
Riddell | apachelogger: to everyone in that PPA of yours | 13:41 |
apachelogger | ah | 13:41 |
apachelogger | nice | 13:41 |
shadeslayer | yus | 13:41 |
apachelogger | indeed | 13:42 |
vprints_ | How are Kubuntu dev's doing? | 13:44 |
Riddell | 4.9 is compiling away in the secret PPA, testing will be needed in a bit | 13:44 |
vprints_ | üüü | 13:49 |
shadeslayer | :) | 13:50 |
ScottK | Quintasan_: The 'fix ibus' part of making IM work is done in quantal. | 14:05 |
Riddell | anyone onto telepathy 0.4.1? | 15:10 |
ScottK | IIRC shadeslayer said something about it. | 15:15 |
ScottK | Not sure if he was doing anything. | 15:15 |
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Quintasan | ScottK: Can I have details? What was exatly fixed? | 15:53 |
ScottK | Quintasan: The missing depends on gnome-icon-theme. | 15:53 |
Quintasan | Oh | 15:53 |
Quintasan | Okay | 15:53 |
ScottK | (which is why some people can't see the icon) | 15:54 |
ScottK | They don't have it. | 15:54 |
Quintasan | I still didn't take a look at language-selector though. | 15:54 |
ScottK | How about kdeplasma-addons? | 15:54 |
ScottK | If think the icon fix and adding the package back can be SRU'ed. | 15:54 |
Quintasan | ScottK: Oh, I'll do it today or tomorrow then | 15:55 |
Quintasan | I mean adding back kimpanel | 15:55 |
ScottK | Excellent. | 15:55 |
Riddell | vHanda: is there a patch needed for 4.9 about nepomuk? | 15:58 |
Riddell | or was it included? | 15:58 |
Riddell | seems not, adding https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105744/ | 16:01 |
vHanda | Riddell: how receptive would you guys be if you had to package nepomuk-core again? | 16:29 |
vHanda | uhh, let me rephrase that - a nepomuk-core with a different ABI | 16:29 |
Riddell | vHanda: that's fine, it's all in the secret PPA yet | 16:30 |
vHanda | won't you need to recompile kde-runtime then? | 16:30 |
vHanda | cause I really really hate this one stupid class, and I would love to get rid of it | 16:30 |
vHanda | but I haven't heard back from the release team | 16:31 |
Riddell | vHanda: yes we would but that's not tricky | 16:32 |
=== shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ | ||
=== shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer | ||
shadeslayer | so, germinate people, could someone explain to me what stuff inside the paranthese stands for? I've read the manpage quite some times but I still don't get it | 18:24 |
micahg | shadeslayer: in a seed? it's a recommends vs depends | 18:24 |
shadeslayer | micahg: yeah | 18:24 |
shadeslayer | micahg: why not just put it in desktop-recommends ? | 18:25 |
micahg | shadeslayer: that's what happends :) | 18:25 |
shadeslayer | or is desktop-recommends-foo generate from desktop-foo | 18:25 |
micahg | *happens | 18:25 |
micahg | they're both generated from the desktop seed | 18:26 |
shadeslayer | ahhhhh ... ok | 18:26 |
shadeslayer | micahg: and one clarification, ships vs live | 18:26 |
shadeslayer | vs desktop | 18:27 |
shadeslayer | ships -> on the CD but not installed | 18:27 |
shadeslayer | desktop -> KDE Core packages | 18:27 |
micahg | yes, AIUI | 18:27 |
shadeslayer | Live -> Stuff like calligra? | 18:27 |
micahg | desktop = kubuntu-desktop | 18:27 |
micahg | live = extra stuff in live env, not in desktop | 18:28 |
shadeslayer | does stuff from live get installed onto the system? | 18:28 |
micahg | I don't think so | 18:28 |
shadeslayer | ok | 18:29 |
shadeslayer | ( plus, it seems like we don't have a 'live' seed in kubuntu-meta | 18:29 |
shadeslayer | ) | 18:29 |
micahg | shadeslayer: no, it's used in images (see comments in the file) | 18:29 |
shadeslayer | micahg: which file? :P | 18:30 |
micahg | live file in kubuntu.quantal seed | 18:30 |
ScottK | shadeslayer: There is a live seed. | 18:31 |
* shadeslayer looks | 18:31 | |
shadeslayer | ok | 18:31 |
micahg | s/seed/branch/, s/file/seed/ :) | 18:31 |
kubotu | micahg meant: "live file in kubuntu.quantal branch" | 18:31 |
micahg | kubotu: almost right :) | 18:31 |
shadeslayer | aha ok | 18:36 |
ScottK | Where is debfx 's fancy new KDE version script? | 19:19 |
* ScottK wants to try it on 4.8.5. | 19:19 | |
debfx | ScottK: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation | 19:20 |
ScottK | Thanks. | 19:20 |
* genii-around sips and ponders +junk | 19:21 | |
debfx | have fun | 19:21 |
shadeslayer | hmm .. raspi is pretty slow | 19:28 |
shadeslayer | atleast apt-get install htop is really slow :P | 19:29 |
shadeslayer | Can't set locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct! \o/ | 19:29 |
shadeslayer | Linux rpi 3.1.9+ #110 PREEMPT Wed Jun 13 11:41:58 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux :D | 19:31 |
shadeslayer | wow, a fairly recent kernel | 19:31 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: ^ | 19:31 |
* Quintasan points shadeslayer to the door | 19:37 | |
Quintasan | damned bastard has working hardware | 19:37 |
shadeslayer | xD | 19:37 |
Quintasan | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU- | 19:38 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: take solace in the fact that I only have 16 MB's of video memory | 19:38 |
Quintasan | shadeslayer: Well, I got it booting but now eth0 can't come up xD | 19:38 |
shadeslayer | and 240 MB's of RAM | 19:38 |
shadeslayer | ok | 19:38 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: driver probably crapped out :P | 19:44 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: the fun part is that I can define what amount of video memory the RasPi should take :D | 20:02 |
Quintasan | Did I mention where the doors are shadeslayer? | 20:03 |
Quintasan | :P | 20:03 |
shadeslayer | :P | 20:03 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/525422 | 20:03 |
Quintasan | .. | 20:03 |
Quintasan | brb rebooting to linux | 20:03 |
shadeslayer | for some reason the ipv6 module is in use | 20:04 |
Quintasan | shadeslayer: ktp 0.4.1 where? | 20:07 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: it's in my PPA | 20:07 |
Quintasan | y u no upload to ppa:telepathy-kde/ppa? | 20:07 |
shadeslayer | because it's not finished | 20:07 |
shadeslayer | and I semi scripted it | 20:07 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly | 20:08 |
shadeslayer | script still needs alot of work | 20:08 |
Quintasan | I demand you finish it now | 20:08 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: today was germinate/Pi day, tomorrow is ktp day | 20:08 |
Quintasan | shadeslayer: What script? | 20:08 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: I wrote a small script that uses uscan and uupdate | 20:09 |
shadeslayer | to update ALL the KDE Telepathy packages | 20:09 |
shadeslayer | except one didn't have a watch file | 20:09 |
shadeslayer | and it doesn't check if you have proper Maintainers in the control file | 20:09 |
Quintasan | is the second thing really important? | 20:10 |
Quintasan | send me the script | 20:10 |
shadeslayer | well .. yeah | 20:10 |
shadeslayer | sec | 20:10 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120174/ | 20:10 |
Quintasan | Though I doubt it's really necessary to scipt that | 20:10 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: way too many packates to do by hand | 20:10 |
shadeslayer | *packages | 20:11 |
shadeslayer | usage is ./foo.sh version | 20:11 |
shadeslayer | and it appends ppa1 to versions right now ;) | 20:11 |
shadeslayer | like I said, it's a WIP | 20:12 |
Quintasan | Silly Rohan | 20:13 |
Quintasan | no 0.4 for oneiric | 20:13 |
shadeslayer | brrr ... do we care about oneiric? | 20:13 |
shadeslayer | just flipping upgrade to LTS already :P | 20:13 |
Quintasan | shadeslayer: besides, why the hell are you using pull-lp-source? | 20:18 |
Quintasan | We do have 0.4 in quantal? | 20:18 |
shadeslayer | yep | 20:18 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: how else would I run uscan? :P | 20:18 |
Quintasan | Are our changes upstreamable or there are none? | 20:18 |
shadeslayer | there are none | 20:18 |
shadeslayer | the current packages ( except one or two ) are syncd | 20:18 |
shadeslayer | *sync'd | 20:19 |
shadeslayer | the exceptions are ktp-contact-runner and ktp-contact-applet which have not been packaged upstream | 20:19 |
Quintasan | urgh | 20:22 |
Quintasan | shadeslayer: Do we change maintainer to Kubuntu Developers if I update an Debian imported package? | 20:23 |
Quintasan | wait | 20:23 |
Quintasan | ffs | 20:23 |
Quintasan | THIS IS INSANE | 20:23 |
shadeslayer | yep | 20:23 |
shadeslayer | :P | 20:23 |
Quintasan | WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON NOW | 20:23 |
Quintasan | Why there are 0.4 packages for QUANTAL in the PPA? | 20:23 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: huh? | 20:23 |
shadeslayer | oh | 20:23 |
shadeslayer | ok, that doesn't make sense | 20:23 |
Quintasan | ktp-accounts-kcm - 0.4.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 (Newer version available) (changes file) kiagiadakis-george 2012-06-19PublishedQuantalKde | 20:23 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: how does it even matter ;) | 20:24 |
Quintasan | It does | 20:24 |
shadeslayer | maybe because George wanted to release the packages for testing earlier | 20:24 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: huh? | 20:25 |
Quintasan | If we sort out uploading order I can just script some magic and we can be automagically done for every development release | 20:25 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: uploading order doesn't matter now, lp figures out when to rebuild | 20:25 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: take my script, add magic for fixing Maintainers and changelog entries ( uploading to PPA's for testbuilding etc ) | 20:26 |
shadeslayer | and voila | 20:26 |
Quintasan | LOL NO | 20:26 |
Quintasan | look | 20:26 |
shadeslayer | added bonus : look for files not installed | 20:26 |
Darkwing | Hey guys, give me another week or so and I'll be abck. | 20:30 |
Darkwing | back. | 20:30 |
highvoltage | hey Darkwing, you've been too scarce on IRC lately! | 20:33 |
Quintasan | O_O | 20:34 |
Quintasan | Darkwing: \o | 20:34 |
Quintasan | Sup? | 20:34 |
highvoltage | hey I was first in line! | 20:35 |
highvoltage | Darkwing: before you dissappear again, is there any chance that you could give me a link where I could download an image (even if it's not working properly yet) for the zatab? | 20:36 |
Darkwing | Yeah I know... | 20:36 |
Darkwing | I've been going through a divorce and I'm moving from California to Indiana. | 20:36 |
highvoltage | Darkwing: sorry to hear, I hope it's as unpainful as it could possibly be | 20:37 |
ScottK | Careful. Too close to nixternal and you'll vanish in the vortex too. | 20:37 |
Darkwing | highvoltage: you have an email and I'll email you every link? I have not had time to do much with it due to my RL crap | 20:37 |
Darkwing | ScottK: You're not that lucky :P:P | 20:37 |
highvoltage | Darkwing: understandable | 20:37 |
highvoltage | Darkwing: jonathan@ubuntu.com | 20:37 |
highvoltage | Darkwing: I'd really appreciate it :) | 20:37 |
Darkwing | highvoltage: I'll get what I can to ya. :D | 20:38 |
highvoltage | Darkwing: awesome! thanks! | 20:38 |
Darkwing | I fly to Indiana on Friday. | 20:38 |
Darkwing | So I'll be back soon. | 20:38 |
Quintasan | Darkwing: Divorce? Urgh. Sorry to hear that | 20:39 |
Darkwing | Yeah... with three kids involved too... | 20:39 |
Quintasan | Yeah, and as ScottK said, be careful for nixternal vibes in the air | 20:39 |
Quintasan | Black holes are common in there I hear | 20:39 |
Quintasan | :P | 20:39 |
Darkwing | LOL | 20:39 |
Darkwing | I'm also close to jjesse and he didn't vanish. :P:P | 20:39 |
Quintasan | If you start hearing voices then it's already too late | 20:40 |
Darkwing | You mean I'm the only one who listens to the voices? | 20:40 |
Darkwing | :P:P | 20:40 |
highvoltage | heh | 20:41 |
Quintasan | Darkwing: I think if you hear some voices in your head then you will be the only one hearing them :P | 20:41 |
Darkwing | :D | 20:41 |
shadeslayer | "#less gnome, jriddell" | 20:41 |
shadeslayer | :P | 20:41 |
Quintasan | COME TO THE OTHER SIDE | 20:42 |
Darkwing | hehehe | 20:42 |
Quintasan | now you are aware you read that in nixternal's voice | 20:42 |
shadeslayer | ah yes, next UDS at Copenhagen | 20:42 |
Quintasan | WUT | 20:43 |
shadeslayer | it's up on uds.ubuntu.com | 20:43 |
Quintasan | SAUCE | 20:43 |
Darkwing | Copenhagen? | 20:43 |
shadeslayer | yeah | 20:43 |
shadeslayer | where svourela lives iirc | 20:43 |
Darkwing | If I can afford to get my passport done, I'll be there. | 20:43 |
Darkwing | BRB, reboot | 20:44 |
Quintasan | What the hell | 20:45 |
shadeslayer | ok, I should be able to install kde-standard on the pi | 20:47 |
shadeslayer | should have enough space | 20:47 |
Darkwing | back | 20:47 |
Quintasan | shadeslayer: http://wklej.org/id/800840 | 20:48 |
Quintasan | lawd | 20:48 |
Darkwing | hmmz... quantal doesn't like my crypt space | 20:48 |
Quintasan | never seen that | 20:48 |
shadeslayer | lolwat | 20:48 |
Quintasan | ccache: FATAL: Failed to create /var/cache/pbuilder/ccache/a/3: Permission denied | 20:49 |
Quintasan | hahah | 20:49 |
Quintasan | WTF | 20:49 |
Quintasan | how do I disable this ccache crap | 20:49 |
shadeslayer | heh | 20:50 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: drop D20icecc | 20:50 |
Quintasan | shadeslayer: pastebin your pbuilderrc | 20:50 |
Quintasan | >implying I have this | 20:50 |
shadeslayer | Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120242/ | 20:50 |
shadeslayer | I have the ninja hooks in ~/.pbuilder-hooks | 20:51 |
Quintasan | so do I | 20:51 |
shadeslayer | <3 localepurge | 20:51 |
Quintasan | but I dropped most of them | 20:51 |
shadeslayer | Total disk space freed by localepurge: 83324 KiB | 20:51 |
shadeslayer | micahg: ScottK which seed list does the live ISO use ? ship-live or just live? | 20:59 |
ScottK | shadeslayer: Look at the structure file. | 20:59 |
Quintasan | WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON | 20:59 |
shadeslayer | ScottK: that's what I'm looking at | 20:59 |
shadeslayer | If I understood right, it's live | 21:00 |
ScottK | What's not clear? | 21:00 |
ScottK | No. Ship live. | 21:00 |
shadeslayer | ScottK: there are 2 targes, live and ship-live | 21:00 |
shadeslayer | oh | 21:00 |
Quintasan | I'm just going insane | 21:01 |
ScottK | Note that ship-live includes live. | 21:01 |
shadeslayer | right | 21:01 |
Quintasan | Die in a fire ccache | 21:01 |
ScottK | So ship-live determines what's i n the squashfs. | 21:01 |
shadeslayer | ( plus has boot, important to boot a ISO ) | 21:01 |
shadeslayer | hmmm ... got it | 21:01 |
Quintasan | What on Earth is wrong with ccache now | 21:04 |
shadeslayer | anywho, I'm done for the night, sleeping, bye :) | 21:04 |
ScottK | OK. Here we go. | 21:05 |
ScottK | 4.8.5 to ninjas ... | 21:06 |
ScottK | These are always fun ... "dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa *.changes" | 21:06 |
Quintasan | Why did it break | 21:08 |
Quintasan | I didn't even try to fix it | 21:09 |
ScottK | Crap. | 21:16 |
ScottK | Riddell: You know that since you did 4.9.0 for precise in Ninjas, now I can't use it for 4.8.5? | 21:16 |
yofel | isn't 4.8.5 already out? then you could use staging | 21:17 |
yofel | ah no | 21:18 |
* ScottK resists the temptation to express his frustration via the "delete PPA" button. | 21:18 | |
yofel | WAAAIIIIT | 21:19 |
ScottK | I said I was resisting. | 21:19 |
ScottK | RIght, so building them all locally will take awhile. | 21:49 |
ScottK | New kde-runtime tarball for 4.9.0. | 21:50 |
apachelogger | ScottK: get another ppa? | 22:26 |
ScottK | Not a private one. | 22:26 |
apachelogger | why not? | 22:26 |
ScottK | Because they don't just hand those out. | 22:28 |
ScottK | Didn't get very far anyway. | 22:28 |
ScottK | cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/libnepomuk.so.4': No such file or directory | 22:28 |
ScottK | kde4libs FTBFS. | 22:28 |
apachelogger | brrr | 22:28 |
apachelogger | ScottK: well, what would be the harm in getting another ppa in addition to the primary ninja? | 22:29 |
ScottK | No harm, just not sure if we'll get it. | 22:29 |
ScottK | Actually, not sure I want to remind them we've got the one we do. | 22:29 |
ScottK | Now that Riddell 's flown the coop, I'm not sure we're supposed to keep it. | 22:30 |
ScottK | How do I run a CMake module by hand? | 22:33 |
ScottK | Specifically cmake/modules/FindSoprano.cmake in kdelibs. | 22:33 |
ScottK | Sigh. | 22:37 |
ScottK | Could NOT find Soprano: Found version "2.7.5", but required is at least "2.7.56" (found /usr/include) | 22:37 |
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Riddell | ScottK: what what? | 23:20 |
ScottK | If we want 4.8.5 in precise we'll either need to update soprano or figure out how to revert stuff. | 23:25 |
ScottK | The soprano diff is ~3,000 lines. | 23:25 |
Riddell | does 4.8.5 need a new soprano? | 23:27 |
ScottK | All my 4.8.5 uploads to ninjas got rejected. | 23:27 |
ScottK | Dunno. I wrote packages/release to say WTF. | 23:27 |
ScottK | CMake says it does. | 23:27 |
Riddell | well that's a bit anti-social of it, nag at vHanda | 23:28 |
Riddell | ninjas is being used for 4.9 as you found out, use kubuntu-ppa/staging in such cases | 23:29 |
ScottK | Riddell: Can't pre-release. It's still private tarballs. | 23:29 |
Riddell | hmm, that's a clash | 23:30 |
ScottK | vHanda: Is there something we can do about needing a new soprano for KDE SC 4.8.5? | 23:31 |
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