/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/30/#kubuntu-devel.txt

* Riddell eyes over http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/4.9.0.html09:04
apacheloggerahoy ahoy09:41
Riddellhum, anyone know what's up with okular in kubuntu-ninjas?  it can't find libspectre but it's installed and it works locally09:41
Riddell"we have to release another security bugfix release this weeks because of recently discovered security problems."  hmm ScottK might be right about his dislike of php in owncloud10:17
yofelI'm currently learning PHP for work, and it's horrible enough so I would agree with that10:24
yofelRiddell: okular needs a build-dep on pkg-config10:24
Riddellooh well spotted yofel 10:29
shadeslayer\o/12:23
shadeslayerGot my Raspi12:23
Riddellshadeslayer: going to port kubuntu to armv6 now? :)12:24
shadeslayerheh, there's a debian distro specially built for the Raspberry Pi, called Raspbian12:24
shadeslayerit's installing over the network atm12:24
shadeslayerunfourtunately, the entire Northern Grid in India has gone down or sth, so barely any electricity :P12:25
shadeslayerwe could just help Raspbian update it's KDE packages ;)12:26
* shadeslayer will probably run PMC on it on a full HD TV12:27
shadeslayerRiddell: http://yfrog.com/hsyyzvlj12:41
Riddellshadeslayer: USB power supply in top right?12:45
shadeslayeryep12:45
shadeslayerthe other USB is the keyboard :)12:46
Riddellshadeslayer: where's the monitor?12:46
Riddellthat's the top middle one without a plug in it?12:46
shadeslayerRiddell: it's a old school CRT TV that I've hooked it up to right now :P12:46
shadeslayerbottom middle12:46
shadeslayerno ethernet near the HDTV12:46
shadeslayer( couldn't get tethering to work as well, the network kernel is really minimal )12:47
Riddellthat's not a VGA socket bottom middle?12:47
shadeslayernope12:47
Riddellbut what is it?12:47
shadeslayerComponent Video12:48
shadeslayer:P12:48
shadeslayerand wow, that image is really small12:50
shadeslayerRiddell: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dy0i54jytlyyjn4/IMAG0001_COVER.jpg12:53
shadeslayereverything is a bit tight, from the power connector to the SD card slot at the bottom12:54
shadeslayerUSB adapters are alright though12:54
Riddell"Richard Johnson (nixternal) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members"13:03
ScottKSigh.13:03
RiddellScottK: sigh?13:04
ScottKAbout nixternal.13:04
ScottKAnd because I misread it.13:04
ScottKI read removed for renewed.13:04
Riddellit's nice he still loves us, but he doesn't do much so you could argue he should step down (or better - start doing useful things again)13:05
apacheloggerif he really loved us he'd do useful things :'(13:08
apacheloggerafiestas_: can you explain to me why some windows are on one activity only and others are on all activities?13:09
afiestas_apachelogger:  I can't, ask ivan13:10
apacheloggerafiestas_: what's his irc nick?13:10
ScottKRiddell: If he bothered to renew, there's hope he'll come back.13:11
ScottKRiddell and yofel: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/13:12
yofelalready read it13:12
ScottKOK.13:12
ScottKSo then you know.13:13
apacheloggerhttp://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59011-Firefox-KDE-support&p=304990&viewfull=1#post30499013:28
apacheloggeranyone understands that?13:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: not me13:32
* shadeslayer was wondering what he was trying to say as well13:32
Riddellapachelogger: someone who doesn't get the technical impossibility of using XUL themes in Qt13:32
apacheloggerbut what does he want?13:35
apacheloggerkde-look in firefox?13:35
Riddellapachelogger: best ignored?13:37
Riddellhi vprints_, akademy all tidied up?13:37
vprints_hi :)13:39
vprints_mostly, yes13:39
vprints_still have some boxes though :D13:39
shadeslayerones with ponies in them?13:40
vprints_:D13:40
shadeslayership them to apachelogger ;)13:40
vprints_there might be some ponies :D13:40
apacheloggerRiddell: he sent a mail to me :P13:40
apacheloggervprints_: ponies 13:41
apachelogger\o/13:41
Riddellapachelogger: to everyone in that PPA of yours13:41
apacheloggerah13:41
apacheloggernice13:41
shadeslayeryus13:41
apacheloggerindeed13:42
vprints_How are Kubuntu dev's doing?13:44
Riddell4.9 is compiling away in the secret PPA, testing will be needed in a bit13:44
vprints_üüü13:49
shadeslayer:)13:50
ScottKQuintasan_: The 'fix ibus' part of making IM work is done in quantal.14:05
Riddellanyone onto telepathy 0.4.1?15:10
ScottKIIRC shadeslayer  said something about it.15:15
ScottKNot sure if he was doing anything.15:15
=== Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan
QuintasanScottK: Can I have details? What was exatly fixed?15:53
ScottKQuintasan: The missing depends on gnome-icon-theme.15:53
QuintasanOh15:53
QuintasanOkay15:53
ScottK(which is why some people can't see the icon)15:54
ScottKThey don't have it.15:54
QuintasanI still didn't take a look at language-selector though.15:54
ScottKHow about kdeplasma-addons?15:54
ScottKIf think the icon fix and adding the package back can be SRU'ed.15:54
QuintasanScottK: Oh, I'll do it today or tomorrow then15:55
QuintasanI mean adding back kimpanel15:55
ScottKExcellent.15:55
RiddellvHanda: is there a patch needed for 4.9 about nepomuk?15:58
Riddellor was it included?15:58
Riddellseems not, adding https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105744/16:01
vHandaRiddell: how receptive would you guys be if you had to package nepomuk-core again?16:29
vHandauhh, let me rephrase that - a nepomuk-core with a different ABI16:29
RiddellvHanda: that's fine, it's all in the secret PPA yet16:30
vHandawon't you need to recompile kde-runtime then?16:30
vHandacause I really really hate this one stupid class, and I would love to get rid of it16:30
vHandabut I haven't heard back from the release team16:31
RiddellvHanda: yes we would but that's not tricky16:32
=== shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_
=== shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer
shadeslayerso, germinate people, could someone explain to me what stuff inside the paranthese stands for? I've read the manpage quite some times but I still don't get it18:24
micahgshadeslayer: in a seed?  it's a recommends vs depends18:24
shadeslayermicahg: yeah18:24
shadeslayermicahg: why not just put it in desktop-recommends ?18:25
micahgshadeslayer: that's what happends :)18:25
shadeslayeror is desktop-recommends-foo generate from desktop-foo18:25
micahg*happens18:25
micahgthey're both generated from the desktop seed18:26
shadeslayerahhhhh ... ok18:26
shadeslayermicahg: and one clarification, ships vs live18:26
shadeslayervs desktop18:27
shadeslayerships -> on the CD but not installed18:27
shadeslayerdesktop -> KDE Core packages18:27
micahgyes, AIUI18:27
shadeslayerLive -> Stuff like calligra?18:27
micahgdesktop = kubuntu-desktop18:27
micahglive = extra stuff in live env, not in desktop18:28
shadeslayerdoes stuff from live get installed onto the system?18:28
micahgI don't think so18:28
shadeslayerok18:29
shadeslayer( plus, it seems like we don't have a 'live' seed in kubuntu-meta18:29
shadeslayer)18:29
micahgshadeslayer: no, it's used in images (see comments in the file)18:29
shadeslayermicahg: which file? :P18:30
micahglive file in kubuntu.quantal seed18:30
ScottKshadeslayer: There is a live seed.18:31
* shadeslayer looks18:31
shadeslayerok18:31
micahgs/seed/branch/, s/file/seed/ :)18:31
kubotumicahg meant: "live file in kubuntu.quantal branch"18:31
micahgkubotu: almost right :)18:31
shadeslayeraha ok18:36
ScottKWhere is debfx 's fancy new KDE version script?19:19
* ScottK wants to try it on 4.8.5.19:19
debfxScottK: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation19:20
ScottKThanks.19:20
* genii-around sips and ponders +junk19:21
debfxhave fun19:21
shadeslayerhmm .. raspi is pretty slow19:28
shadeslayeratleast apt-get install htop is really slow :P19:29
shadeslayerCan't set locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct! \o/19:29
shadeslayerLinux rpi 3.1.9+ #110 PREEMPT Wed Jun 13 11:41:58 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux :D19:31
shadeslayerwow, a fairly recent kernel19:31
shadeslayerQuintasan: ^19:31
* Quintasan points shadeslayer to the door19:37
Quintasandamned bastard has working hardware19:37
shadeslayerxD19:37
QuintasanFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU-19:38
shadeslayerQuintasan: take solace in the fact that I only have 16 MB's of video memory19:38
Quintasanshadeslayer: Well, I got it booting but now eth0 can't come up xD19:38
shadeslayerand 240 MB's of RAM19:38
shadeslayerok19:38
shadeslayerQuintasan: driver probably crapped out :P19:44
shadeslayerQuintasan: the fun part is that I can define what amount of video memory the RasPi should take :D20:02
QuintasanDid I mention where the doors are shadeslayer?20:03
Quintasan:P20:03
shadeslayer:P20:03
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://paste.kde.org/52542220:03
Quintasan..20:03
Quintasanbrb rebooting to linux20:03
shadeslayerfor some reason the ipv6 module is in use20:04
Quintasanshadeslayer: ktp 0.4.1 where?20:07
shadeslayerQuintasan: it's in my PPA20:07
Quintasany u no upload to ppa:telepathy-kde/ppa?20:07
shadeslayerbecause it's not finished20:07
shadeslayerand I semi scripted it20:07
shadeslayerQuintasan: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly20:08
shadeslayerscript still needs alot of work20:08
QuintasanI demand you finish it now20:08
shadeslayerQuintasan: today was germinate/Pi day, tomorrow is ktp day20:08
Quintasanshadeslayer: What script?20:08
shadeslayerQuintasan: I wrote a small script that uses uscan and uupdate20:09
shadeslayerto update ALL the KDE Telepathy packages20:09
shadeslayerexcept one didn't have a watch file20:09
shadeslayerand it doesn't check if you have proper Maintainers in the control file20:09
Quintasanis the second thing really important?20:10
Quintasansend me the script20:10
shadeslayerwell .. yeah20:10
shadeslayersec20:10
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120174/20:10
QuintasanThough I doubt it's really necessary to scipt that20:10
shadeslayerQuintasan: way too many packates to do by hand20:10
shadeslayer*packages20:11
shadeslayerusage is ./foo.sh version20:11
shadeslayerand it appends ppa1 to versions right now ;)20:11
shadeslayerlike I said, it's a WIP20:12
QuintasanSilly Rohan20:13
Quintasanno 0.4 for oneiric20:13
shadeslayerbrrr ... do we care about oneiric?20:13
shadeslayerjust flipping upgrade to LTS already :P20:13
Quintasanshadeslayer: besides, why the hell are you using pull-lp-source?20:18
QuintasanWe do have 0.4 in quantal?20:18
shadeslayeryep20:18
shadeslayerQuintasan: how else would I run uscan? :P20:18
QuintasanAre our changes upstreamable or there are none?20:18
shadeslayerthere are none20:18
shadeslayerthe current packages ( except one or two ) are syncd20:18
shadeslayer*sync'd20:19
shadeslayerthe exceptions are ktp-contact-runner and ktp-contact-applet which have not been packaged upstream20:19
Quintasanurgh20:22
Quintasanshadeslayer: Do we change maintainer to Kubuntu Developers if I update an Debian imported package?20:23
Quintasanwait20:23
Quintasanffs20:23
QuintasanTHIS IS INSANE20:23
shadeslayeryep20:23
shadeslayer:P20:23
QuintasanWHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON NOW20:23
QuintasanWhy there are 0.4 packages for QUANTAL in the PPA?20:23
shadeslayerQuintasan: huh?20:23
shadeslayeroh20:23
shadeslayerok, that doesn't make sense20:23
Quintasanktp-accounts-kcm - 0.4.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1  (Newer version available) (changes file) kiagiadakis-george 2012-06-19PublishedQuantalKde20:23
shadeslayerQuintasan: how does it even matter ;)20:24
QuintasanIt does20:24
shadeslayermaybe because George wanted to release the packages for testing earlier20:24
shadeslayerQuintasan: huh?20:25
QuintasanIf we sort out uploading order I can just script some magic and we can be automagically done for every development release20:25
shadeslayerQuintasan: uploading order doesn't matter now, lp figures out when to rebuild20:25
shadeslayerQuintasan: take my script, add magic for fixing Maintainers and changelog entries ( uploading to PPA's for testbuilding  etc )20:26
shadeslayerand voila20:26
QuintasanLOL NO20:26
Quintasanlook20:26
shadeslayeradded bonus : look for files not installed20:26
DarkwingHey guys, give me another week or so and I'll be abck.20:30
Darkwingback.20:30
highvoltagehey Darkwing, you've been too scarce on IRC lately!20:33
QuintasanO_O20:34
QuintasanDarkwing: \o20:34
QuintasanSup?20:34
highvoltagehey I was first in line!20:35
highvoltageDarkwing: before you dissappear again, is there any chance that you could give me a link where I could download an image (even if it's not working properly yet) for the zatab?20:36
DarkwingYeah I know...20:36
DarkwingI've been going through a divorce and I'm moving from California to Indiana.20:36
highvoltageDarkwing: sorry to hear, I hope it's as unpainful as it could possibly be20:37
ScottKCareful.  Too close to nixternal and you'll vanish in the vortex too.20:37
Darkwinghighvoltage: you have an email and I'll email you every link? I have not had time to do much with it due to my RL crap20:37
DarkwingScottK: You're not that lucky :P:P20:37
highvoltageDarkwing: understandable20:37
highvoltageDarkwing: jonathan@ubuntu.com20:37
highvoltageDarkwing: I'd really appreciate it :)20:37
Darkwinghighvoltage:  I'll get what I can to ya. :D20:38
highvoltageDarkwing: awesome! thanks!20:38
DarkwingI fly to Indiana on Friday.20:38
DarkwingSo I'll be back soon.20:38
QuintasanDarkwing: Divorce? Urgh. Sorry to hear that20:39
DarkwingYeah... with three kids involved too...20:39
QuintasanYeah, and as ScottK said, be careful for nixternal vibes in the air20:39
QuintasanBlack holes are common in there I hear20:39
Quintasan:P20:39
DarkwingLOL20:39
DarkwingI'm also close to jjesse and he didn't vanish. :P:P20:39
QuintasanIf you start hearing voices then it's already too late20:40
DarkwingYou mean I'm the only one who listens to the voices?20:40
Darkwing:P:P20:40
highvoltageheh20:41
QuintasanDarkwing: I think if you hear some voices in your head then you will be the only one hearing them :P20:41
Darkwing:D20:41
shadeslayer"#less gnome, jriddell"20:41
shadeslayer:P20:41
QuintasanCOME TO THE OTHER SIDE20:42
Darkwinghehehe20:42
Quintasannow you are aware you read that in nixternal's voice20:42
shadeslayerah yes, next UDS at Copenhagen20:42
QuintasanWUT20:43
shadeslayerit's up on uds.ubuntu.com20:43
QuintasanSAUCE20:43
DarkwingCopenhagen?20:43
shadeslayeryeah20:43
shadeslayerwhere svourela lives iirc 20:43
DarkwingIf I can afford to get my passport done, I'll be there.20:43
DarkwingBRB, reboot20:44
QuintasanWhat the hell20:45
shadeslayerok, I should be able to install kde-standard on the pi20:47
shadeslayershould have enough space20:47
Darkwingback20:47
Quintasanshadeslayer: http://wklej.org/id/80084020:48
Quintasanlawd20:48
Darkwinghmmz... quantal doesn't like my crypt space20:48
Quintasannever seen that20:48
shadeslayerlolwat20:48
Quintasanccache: FATAL: Failed to create /var/cache/pbuilder/ccache/a/3: Permission denied20:49
Quintasanhahah20:49
QuintasanWTF20:49
Quintasanhow do I disable this ccache crap20:49
shadeslayerheh20:50
shadeslayerQuintasan: drop D20icecc20:50
Quintasanshadeslayer: pastebin your pbuilderrc20:50
Quintasan>implying I have this20:50
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120242/20:50
shadeslayerI have the ninja hooks in ~/.pbuilder-hooks20:51
Quintasanso do I20:51
shadeslayer<3 localepurge20:51
Quintasanbut I dropped most of them20:51
shadeslayerTotal disk space freed by localepurge: 83324 KiB20:51
shadeslayermicahg: ScottK which seed list does the live ISO use ? ship-live or just live?20:59
ScottKshadeslayer: Look at the structure file.20:59
QuintasanWHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON20:59
shadeslayerScottK: that's what I'm looking at20:59
shadeslayerIf I understood right, it's live21:00
ScottKWhat's not clear?21:00
ScottKNo.  Ship live.21:00
shadeslayerScottK: there are 2 targes, live and ship-live21:00
shadeslayeroh21:00
QuintasanI'm just  going insane21:01
ScottKNote that ship-live includes live.21:01
shadeslayerright21:01
QuintasanDie in a fire ccache21:01
ScottKSo ship-live determines what's i n the squashfs.21:01
shadeslayer( plus has boot, important to boot a ISO )21:01
shadeslayerhmmm ... got it21:01
QuintasanWhat on Earth is wrong with ccache now21:04
shadeslayeranywho, I'm done for the night, sleeping, bye :)21:04
ScottKOK.  Here we go.21:05
ScottK4.8.5 to ninjas ...21:06
ScottKThese are always fun ... "dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa *.changes"21:06
QuintasanWhy did it break21:08
QuintasanI didn't even try to fix it21:09
ScottKCrap.21:16
ScottKRiddell: You know that since you did 4.9.0 for precise in Ninjas, now I can't use it for 4.8.5?21:16
yofelisn't 4.8.5 already out? then you could use staging21:17
yofelah no21:18
* ScottK resists the temptation to express his frustration via the "delete PPA" button.21:18
yofelWAAAIIIIT21:19
ScottKI said I was resisting.21:19
ScottKRIght, so building them all locally will take awhile.21:49
ScottKNew kde-runtime tarball for 4.9.0.21:50
apacheloggerScottK: get another ppa?22:26
ScottKNot a private one.22:26
apacheloggerwhy not?22:26
ScottKBecause they don't just hand those out.22:28
ScottKDidn't get very far anyway.  22:28
ScottKcp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/libnepomuk.so.4': No such file or directory22:28
ScottKkde4libs FTBFS.22:28
apacheloggerbrrr22:28
apacheloggerScottK: well, what would be the harm in getting another ppa in addition to the primary ninja?22:29
ScottKNo harm, just not sure if we'll get it.22:29
ScottKActually, not sure I want to remind them we've got the one we do.22:29
ScottKNow that Riddell 's flown the coop, I'm not sure we're supposed to keep it.22:30
ScottKHow do I run a  CMake module by hand?22:33
ScottKSpecifically cmake/modules/FindSoprano.cmake in kdelibs.22:33
ScottKSigh.22:37
ScottKCould NOT find Soprano:  Found version "2.7.5", but required is at least "2.7.56" (found /usr/include)22:37
=== smarter_ is now known as smarter
RiddellScottK: what what?23:20
ScottKIf we want 4.8.5 in precise we'll either need to update soprano or figure out how to revert stuff.23:25
ScottKThe soprano diff is ~3,000 lines.23:25
Riddelldoes 4.8.5 need a new soprano?23:27
ScottKAll my 4.8.5 uploads to ninjas got rejected.23:27
ScottKDunno.  I wrote packages/release to say WTF.23:27
ScottKCMake says it does.23:27
Riddellwell that's a bit anti-social of it, nag at vHanda 23:28
Riddellninjas is being used for 4.9 as you found out, use kubuntu-ppa/staging in such cases23:29
ScottKRiddell: Can't pre-release.  It's still private tarballs.23:29
Riddellhmm, that's a clash23:30
ScottKvHanda: Is there something we can do about needing a new soprano for KDE SC 4.8.5?23:31

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