[09:04]  * Riddell eyes over http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/4.9.0.html
[09:41] <apachelogger> ahoy ahoy
[09:41] <Riddell> hum, anyone know what's up with okular in kubuntu-ninjas?  it can't find libspectre but it's installed and it works locally
[10:17] <Riddell> "we have to release another security bugfix release this weeks because of recently discovered security problems."  hmm ScottK might be right about his dislike of php in owncloud
[10:24] <yofel> I'm currently learning PHP for work, and it's horrible enough so I would agree with that
[10:24] <yofel> Riddell: okular needs a build-dep on pkg-config
[10:29] <Riddell> ooh well spotted yofel 
[12:23] <shadeslayer> \o/
[12:23] <shadeslayer> Got my Raspi
[12:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: going to port kubuntu to armv6 now? :)
[12:24] <shadeslayer> heh, there's a debian distro specially built for the Raspberry Pi, called Raspbian
[12:24] <shadeslayer> it's installing over the network atm
[12:25] <shadeslayer> unfourtunately, the entire Northern Grid in India has gone down or sth, so barely any electricity :P
[12:26] <shadeslayer> we could just help Raspbian update it's KDE packages ;)
[12:27]  * shadeslayer will probably run PMC on it on a full HD TV
[12:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://yfrog.com/hsyyzvlj
[12:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: USB power supply in top right?
[12:45] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:46] <shadeslayer> the other USB is the keyboard :)
[12:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where's the monitor?
[12:46] <Riddell> that's the top middle one without a plug in it?
[12:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's a old school CRT TV that I've hooked it up to right now :P
[12:46] <shadeslayer> bottom middle
[12:46] <shadeslayer> no ethernet near the HDTV
[12:47] <shadeslayer> ( couldn't get tethering to work as well, the network kernel is really minimal )
[12:47] <Riddell> that's not a VGA socket bottom middle?
[12:47] <shadeslayer> nope
[12:47] <Riddell> but what is it?
[12:48] <shadeslayer> Component Video
[12:48] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:50] <shadeslayer> and wow, that image is really small
[12:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dy0i54jytlyyjn4/IMAG0001_COVER.jpg
[12:54] <shadeslayer> everything is a bit tight, from the power connector to the SD card slot at the bottom
[12:54] <shadeslayer> USB adapters are alright though
[13:03] <Riddell> "Richard Johnson (nixternal) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members"
[13:03] <ScottK> Sigh.
[13:04] <Riddell> ScottK: sigh?
[13:04] <ScottK> About nixternal.
[13:04] <ScottK> And because I misread it.
[13:04] <ScottK> I read removed for renewed.
[13:05] <Riddell> it's nice he still loves us, but he doesn't do much so you could argue he should step down (or better - start doing useful things again)
[13:08] <apachelogger> if he really loved us he'd do useful things :'(
[13:09] <apachelogger> afiestas_: can you explain to me why some windows are on one activity only and others are on all activities?
[13:10] <afiestas_> apachelogger:  I can't, ask ivan
[13:10] <apachelogger> afiestas_: what's his irc nick?
[13:11] <ScottK> Riddell: If he bothered to renew, there's hope he'll come back.
[13:12] <ScottK> Riddell and yofel: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
[13:12] <yofel> already read it
[13:12] <ScottK> OK.
[13:13] <ScottK> So then you know.
[13:28] <apachelogger> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59011-Firefox-KDE-support&p=304990&viewfull=1#post304990
[13:28] <apachelogger> anyone understands that?
[13:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not me
[13:32]  * shadeslayer was wondering what he was trying to say as well
[13:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: someone who doesn't get the technical impossibility of using XUL themes in Qt
[13:35] <apachelogger> but what does he want?
[13:35] <apachelogger> kde-look in firefox?
[13:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: best ignored?
[13:37] <Riddell> hi vprints_, akademy all tidied up?
[13:39] <vprints_> hi :)
[13:39] <vprints_> mostly, yes
[13:39] <vprints_> still have some boxes though :D
[13:40] <shadeslayer> ones with ponies in them?
[13:40] <vprints_> :D
[13:40] <shadeslayer> ship them to apachelogger ;)
[13:40] <vprints_> there might be some ponies :D
[13:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: he sent a mail to me :P
[13:41] <apachelogger> vprints_: ponies 
[13:41] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: to everyone in that PPA of yours
[13:41] <apachelogger> ah
[13:41] <apachelogger> nice
[13:41] <shadeslayer> yus
[13:42] <apachelogger> indeed
[13:44] <vprints_> How are Kubuntu dev's doing?
[13:44] <Riddell> 4.9 is compiling away in the secret PPA, testing will be needed in a bit
[13:49] <vprints_> üüü
[13:50] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:05] <ScottK> Quintasan_: The 'fix ibus' part of making IM work is done in quantal.
[15:10] <Riddell> anyone onto telepathy 0.4.1?
[15:15] <ScottK> IIRC shadeslayer  said something about it.
[15:15] <ScottK> Not sure if he was doing anything.
[15:53] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can I have details? What was exatly fixed?
[15:53] <ScottK> Quintasan: The missing depends on gnome-icon-theme.
[15:53] <Quintasan> Oh
[15:53] <Quintasan> Okay
[15:54] <ScottK> (which is why some people can't see the icon)
[15:54] <ScottK> They don't have it.
[15:54] <Quintasan> I still didn't take a look at language-selector though.
[15:54] <ScottK> How about kdeplasma-addons?
[15:54] <ScottK> If think the icon fix and adding the package back can be SRU'ed.
[15:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: Oh, I'll do it today or tomorrow then
[15:55] <Quintasan> I mean adding back kimpanel
[15:55] <ScottK> Excellent.
[15:58] <Riddell> vHanda: is there a patch needed for 4.9 about nepomuk?
[15:58] <Riddell> or was it included?
[16:01] <Riddell> seems not, adding https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105744/
[16:29] <vHanda> Riddell: how receptive would you guys be if you had to package nepomuk-core again?
[16:29] <vHanda> uhh, let me rephrase that - a nepomuk-core with a different ABI
[16:30] <Riddell> vHanda: that's fine, it's all in the secret PPA yet
[16:30] <vHanda> won't you need to recompile kde-runtime then?
[16:30] <vHanda> cause I really really hate this one stupid class, and I would love to get rid of it
[16:31] <vHanda> but I haven't heard back from the release team
[16:32] <Riddell> vHanda: yes we would but that's not tricky
[18:24] <shadeslayer> so, germinate people, could someone explain to me what stuff inside the paranthese stands for? I've read the manpage quite some times but I still don't get it
[18:24] <micahg> shadeslayer: in a seed?  it's a recommends vs depends
[18:24] <shadeslayer> micahg: yeah
[18:25] <shadeslayer> micahg: why not just put it in desktop-recommends ?
[18:25] <micahg> shadeslayer: that's what happends :)
[18:25] <shadeslayer> or is desktop-recommends-foo generate from desktop-foo
[18:25] <micahg> *happens
[18:26] <micahg> they're both generated from the desktop seed
[18:26] <shadeslayer> ahhhhh ... ok
[18:26] <shadeslayer> micahg: and one clarification, ships vs live
[18:27] <shadeslayer> vs desktop
[18:27] <shadeslayer> ships -> on the CD but not installed
[18:27] <shadeslayer> desktop -> KDE Core packages
[18:27] <micahg> yes, AIUI
[18:27] <shadeslayer> Live -> Stuff like calligra?
[18:27] <micahg> desktop = kubuntu-desktop
[18:28] <micahg> live = extra stuff in live env, not in desktop
[18:28] <shadeslayer> does stuff from live get installed onto the system?
[18:28] <micahg> I don't think so
[18:29] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:29] <shadeslayer> ( plus, it seems like we don't have a 'live' seed in kubuntu-meta
[18:29] <shadeslayer> )
[18:29] <micahg> shadeslayer: no, it's used in images (see comments in the file)
[18:30] <shadeslayer> micahg: which file? :P
[18:30] <micahg> live file in kubuntu.quantal seed
[18:31] <ScottK> shadeslayer: There is a live seed.
[18:31]  * shadeslayer looks
[18:31] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:31] <micahg> s/seed/branch/, s/file/seed/ :)
[18:31] <kubotu> micahg meant: "live file in kubuntu.quantal branch"
[18:31] <micahg> kubotu: almost right :)
[18:36] <shadeslayer> aha ok
[19:19] <ScottK> Where is debfx 's fancy new KDE version script?
[19:19]  * ScottK wants to try it on 4.8.5.
[19:20] <debfx> ScottK: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[19:20] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:21]  * genii-around sips and ponders +junk
[19:21] <debfx> have fun
[19:28] <shadeslayer> hmm .. raspi is pretty slow
[19:29] <shadeslayer> atleast apt-get install htop is really slow :P
[19:29] <shadeslayer> Can't set locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct! \o/
[19:31] <shadeslayer> Linux rpi 3.1.9+ #110 PREEMPT Wed Jun 13 11:41:58 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux :D
[19:31] <shadeslayer> wow, a fairly recent kernel
[19:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^
[19:37]  * Quintasan points shadeslayer to the door
[19:37] <Quintasan> damned bastard has working hardware
[19:37] <shadeslayer> xD
[19:38] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU-
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: take solace in the fact that I only have 16 MB's of video memory
[19:38] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Well, I got it booting but now eth0 can't come up xD
[19:38] <shadeslayer> and 240 MB's of RAM
[19:38] <shadeslayer> ok
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: driver probably crapped out :P
[20:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the fun part is that I can define what amount of video memory the RasPi should take :D
[20:03] <Quintasan> Did I mention where the doors are shadeslayer?
[20:03] <Quintasan> :P
[20:03] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/525422
[20:03] <Quintasan> ..
[20:03] <Quintasan> brb rebooting to linux
[20:04] <shadeslayer> for some reason the ipv6 module is in use
[20:07] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ktp 0.4.1 where?
[20:07] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: it's in my PPA
[20:07] <Quintasan> y u no upload to ppa:telepathy-kde/ppa?
[20:07] <shadeslayer> because it's not finished
[20:07] <shadeslayer> and I semi scripted it
[20:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[20:08] <shadeslayer> script still needs alot of work
[20:08] <Quintasan> I demand you finish it now
[20:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: today was germinate/Pi day, tomorrow is ktp day
[20:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: What script?
[20:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I wrote a small script that uses uscan and uupdate
[20:09] <shadeslayer> to update ALL the KDE Telepathy packages
[20:09] <shadeslayer> except one didn't have a watch file
[20:09] <shadeslayer> and it doesn't check if you have proper Maintainers in the control file
[20:10] <Quintasan> is the second thing really important?
[20:10] <Quintasan> send me the script
[20:10] <shadeslayer> well .. yeah
[20:10] <shadeslayer> sec
[20:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120174/
[20:10] <Quintasan> Though I doubt it's really necessary to scipt that
[20:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: way too many packates to do by hand
[20:11] <shadeslayer> *packages
[20:11] <shadeslayer> usage is ./foo.sh version
[20:11] <shadeslayer> and it appends ppa1 to versions right now ;)
[20:12] <shadeslayer> like I said, it's a WIP
[20:13] <Quintasan> Silly Rohan
[20:13] <Quintasan> no 0.4 for oneiric
[20:13] <shadeslayer> brrr ... do we care about oneiric?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> just flipping upgrade to LTS already :P
[20:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: besides, why the hell are you using pull-lp-source?
[20:18] <Quintasan> We do have 0.4 in quantal?
[20:18] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: how else would I run uscan? :P
[20:18] <Quintasan> Are our changes upstreamable or there are none?
[20:18] <shadeslayer> there are none
[20:18] <shadeslayer> the current packages ( except one or two ) are syncd
[20:19] <shadeslayer> *sync'd
[20:19] <shadeslayer> the exceptions are ktp-contact-runner and ktp-contact-applet which have not been packaged upstream
[20:22] <Quintasan> urgh
[20:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Do we change maintainer to Kubuntu Developers if I update an Debian imported package?
[20:23] <Quintasan> wait
[20:23] <Quintasan> ffs
[20:23] <Quintasan> THIS IS INSANE
[20:23] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:23] <Quintasan> WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON NOW
[20:23] <Quintasan> Why there are 0.4 packages for QUANTAL in the PPA?
[20:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: huh?
[20:23] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:23] <shadeslayer> ok, that doesn't make sense
[20:23] <Quintasan> ktp-accounts-kcm - 0.4.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1  (Newer version available) 	(changes file) 	kiagiadakis-george 	2012-06-19	Published	Quantal	Kde
[20:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: how does it even matter ;)
[20:24] <Quintasan> It does
[20:24] <shadeslayer> maybe because George wanted to release the packages for testing earlier
[20:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: huh?
[20:25] <Quintasan> If we sort out uploading order I can just script some magic and we can be automagically done for every development release
[20:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: uploading order doesn't matter now, lp figures out when to rebuild
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: take my script, add magic for fixing Maintainers and changelog entries ( uploading to PPA's for testbuilding  etc )
[20:26] <shadeslayer> and voila
[20:26] <Quintasan> LOL NO
[20:26] <Quintasan> look
[20:26] <shadeslayer> added bonus : look for files not installed
[20:30] <Darkwing> Hey guys, give me another week or so and I'll be abck.
[20:30] <Darkwing> back.
[20:33] <highvoltage> hey Darkwing, you've been too scarce on IRC lately!
[20:34] <Quintasan> O_O
[20:34] <Quintasan> Darkwing: \o
[20:34] <Quintasan> Sup?
[20:35] <highvoltage> hey I was first in line!
[20:36] <highvoltage> Darkwing: before you dissappear again, is there any chance that you could give me a link where I could download an image (even if it's not working properly yet) for the zatab?
[20:36] <Darkwing> Yeah I know...
[20:36] <Darkwing> I've been going through a divorce and I'm moving from California to Indiana.
[20:37] <highvoltage> Darkwing: sorry to hear, I hope it's as unpainful as it could possibly be
[20:37] <ScottK> Careful.  Too close to nixternal and you'll vanish in the vortex too.
[20:37] <Darkwing> highvoltage: you have an email and I'll email you every link? I have not had time to do much with it due to my RL crap
[20:37] <Darkwing> ScottK: You're not that lucky :P:P
[20:37] <highvoltage> Darkwing: understandable
[20:37] <highvoltage> Darkwing: jonathan@ubuntu.com
[20:37] <highvoltage> Darkwing: I'd really appreciate it :)
[20:38] <Darkwing> highvoltage:  I'll get what I can to ya. :D
[20:38] <highvoltage> Darkwing: awesome! thanks!
[20:38] <Darkwing> I fly to Indiana on Friday.
[20:38] <Darkwing> So I'll be back soon.
[20:39] <Quintasan> Darkwing: Divorce? Urgh. Sorry to hear that
[20:39] <Darkwing> Yeah... with three kids involved too...
[20:39] <Quintasan> Yeah, and as ScottK said, be careful for nixternal vibes in the air
[20:39] <Quintasan> Black holes are common in there I hear
[20:39] <Quintasan> :P
[20:39] <Darkwing> LOL
[20:39] <Darkwing> I'm also close to jjesse and he didn't vanish. :P:P
[20:40] <Quintasan> If you start hearing voices then it's already too late
[20:40] <Darkwing> You mean I'm the only one who listens to the voices?
[20:40] <Darkwing> :P:P
[20:41] <highvoltage> heh
[20:41] <Quintasan> Darkwing: I think if you hear some voices in your head then you will be the only one hearing them :P
[20:41] <Darkwing> :D
[20:41] <shadeslayer> "#less gnome, jriddell"
[20:41] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:42] <Quintasan> COME TO THE OTHER SIDE
[20:42] <Darkwing> hehehe
[20:42] <Quintasan> now you are aware you read that in nixternal's voice
[20:42] <shadeslayer> ah yes, next UDS at Copenhagen
[20:43] <Quintasan> WUT
[20:43] <shadeslayer> it's up on uds.ubuntu.com
[20:43] <Quintasan> SAUCE
[20:43] <Darkwing> Copenhagen?
[20:43] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:43] <shadeslayer> where svourela lives iirc 
[20:43] <Darkwing> If I can afford to get my passport done, I'll be there.
[20:44] <Darkwing> BRB, reboot
[20:45] <Quintasan> What the hell
[20:47] <shadeslayer> ok, I should be able to install kde-standard on the pi
[20:47] <shadeslayer> should have enough space
[20:47] <Darkwing> back
[20:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://wklej.org/id/800840
[20:48] <Quintasan> lawd
[20:48] <Darkwing> hmmz... quantal doesn't like my crypt space
[20:48] <Quintasan> never seen that
[20:48] <shadeslayer> lolwat
[20:49] <Quintasan> ccache: FATAL: Failed to create /var/cache/pbuilder/ccache/a/3: Permission denied
[20:49] <Quintasan> hahah
[20:49] <Quintasan> WTF
[20:49] <Quintasan> how do I disable this ccache crap
[20:50] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: drop D20icecc
[20:50] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: pastebin your pbuilderrc
[20:50] <Quintasan> >implying I have this
[20:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120242/
[20:51] <shadeslayer> I have the ninja hooks in ~/.pbuilder-hooks
[20:51] <Quintasan> so do I
[20:51] <shadeslayer> <3 localepurge
[20:51] <Quintasan> but I dropped most of them
[20:51] <shadeslayer> Total disk space freed by localepurge: 83324 KiB
[20:59] <shadeslayer> micahg: ScottK which seed list does the live ISO use ? ship-live or just live?
[20:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Look at the structure file.
[20:59] <Quintasan> WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON
[20:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: that's what I'm looking at
[21:00] <shadeslayer> If I understood right, it's live
[21:00] <ScottK> What's not clear?
[21:00] <ScottK> No.  Ship live.
[21:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: there are 2 targes, live and ship-live
[21:00] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:01] <Quintasan> I'm just  going insane
[21:01] <ScottK> Note that ship-live includes live.
[21:01] <shadeslayer> right
[21:01] <Quintasan> Die in a fire ccache
[21:01] <ScottK> So ship-live determines what's i n the squashfs.
[21:01] <shadeslayer> ( plus has boot, important to boot a ISO )
[21:01] <shadeslayer> hmmm ... got it
[21:04] <Quintasan> What on Earth is wrong with ccache now
[21:04] <shadeslayer> anywho, I'm done for the night, sleeping, bye :)
[21:05] <ScottK> OK.  Here we go.
[21:06] <ScottK> 4.8.5 to ninjas ...
[21:06] <ScottK> These are always fun ... "dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa *.changes"
[21:08] <Quintasan> Why did it break
[21:09] <Quintasan> I didn't even try to fix it
[21:16] <ScottK> Crap.
[21:16] <ScottK> Riddell: You know that since you did 4.9.0 for precise in Ninjas, now I can't use it for 4.8.5?
[21:17] <yofel> isn't 4.8.5 already out? then you could use staging
[21:18] <yofel> ah no
[21:18]  * ScottK resists the temptation to express his frustration via the "delete PPA" button.
[21:19] <yofel> WAAAIIIIT
[21:19] <ScottK> I said I was resisting.
[21:49] <ScottK> RIght, so building them all locally will take awhile.
[21:50] <ScottK> New kde-runtime tarball for 4.9.0.
[22:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: get another ppa?
[22:26] <ScottK> Not a private one.
[22:26] <apachelogger> why not?
[22:28] <ScottK> Because they don't just hand those out.
[22:28] <ScottK> Didn't get very far anyway.  
[22:28] <ScottK> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/libnepomuk.so.4': No such file or directory
[22:28] <ScottK> kde4libs FTBFS.
[22:28] <apachelogger> brrr
[22:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, what would be the harm in getting another ppa in addition to the primary ninja?
[22:29] <ScottK> No harm, just not sure if we'll get it.
[22:29] <ScottK> Actually, not sure I want to remind them we've got the one we do.
[22:30] <ScottK> Now that Riddell 's flown the coop, I'm not sure we're supposed to keep it.
[22:33] <ScottK> How do I run a  CMake module by hand?
[22:33] <ScottK> Specifically cmake/modules/FindSoprano.cmake in kdelibs.
[22:37] <ScottK> Sigh.
[22:37] <ScottK> Could NOT find Soprano:  Found version "2.7.5", but required is at least "2.7.56" (found /usr/include)
[23:20] <Riddell> ScottK: what what?
[23:25] <ScottK> If we want 4.8.5 in precise we'll either need to update soprano or figure out how to revert stuff.
[23:25] <ScottK> The soprano diff is ~3,000 lines.
[23:27] <Riddell> does 4.8.5 need a new soprano?
[23:27] <ScottK> All my 4.8.5 uploads to ninjas got rejected.
[23:27] <ScottK> Dunno.  I wrote packages/release to say WTF.
[23:27] <ScottK> CMake says it does.
[23:28] <Riddell> well that's a bit anti-social of it, nag at vHanda 
[23:29] <Riddell> ninjas is being used for 4.9 as you found out, use kubuntu-ppa/staging in such cases
[23:29] <ScottK> Riddell: Can't pre-release.  It's still private tarballs.
[23:30] <Riddell> hmm, that's a clash
[23:31] <ScottK> vHanda: Is there something we can do about needing a new soprano for KDE SC 4.8.5?