[09:04] * Riddell eyes over http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/4.9.0.html [09:41] ahoy ahoy [09:41] hum, anyone know what's up with okular in kubuntu-ninjas? it can't find libspectre but it's installed and it works locally [10:17] "we have to release another security bugfix release this weeks because of recently discovered security problems." hmm ScottK might be right about his dislike of php in owncloud [10:24] I'm currently learning PHP for work, and it's horrible enough so I would agree with that [10:24] Riddell: okular needs a build-dep on pkg-config [10:29] ooh well spotted yofel [12:23] \o/ [12:23] Got my Raspi [12:24] shadeslayer: going to port kubuntu to armv6 now? :) [12:24] heh, there's a debian distro specially built for the Raspberry Pi, called Raspbian [12:24] it's installing over the network atm [12:25] unfourtunately, the entire Northern Grid in India has gone down or sth, so barely any electricity :P [12:26] we could just help Raspbian update it's KDE packages ;) [12:27] * shadeslayer will probably run PMC on it on a full HD TV [12:41] Riddell: http://yfrog.com/hsyyzvlj [12:45] shadeslayer: USB power supply in top right? [12:45] yep [12:46] the other USB is the keyboard :) [12:46] shadeslayer: where's the monitor? [12:46] that's the top middle one without a plug in it? [12:46] Riddell: it's a old school CRT TV that I've hooked it up to right now :P [12:46] bottom middle [12:46] no ethernet near the HDTV [12:47] ( couldn't get tethering to work as well, the network kernel is really minimal ) [12:47] that's not a VGA socket bottom middle? [12:47] nope [12:47] but what is it? [12:48] Component Video [12:48] :P [12:50] and wow, that image is really small [12:53] Riddell: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dy0i54jytlyyjn4/IMAG0001_COVER.jpg [12:54] everything is a bit tight, from the power connector to the SD card slot at the bottom [12:54] USB adapters are alright though [13:03] "Richard Johnson (nixternal) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" [13:03] Sigh. [13:04] ScottK: sigh? [13:04] About nixternal. [13:04] And because I misread it. [13:04] I read removed for renewed. [13:05] it's nice he still loves us, but he doesn't do much so you could argue he should step down (or better - start doing useful things again) [13:08] if he really loved us he'd do useful things :'( [13:09] afiestas_: can you explain to me why some windows are on one activity only and others are on all activities? [13:10] apachelogger: I can't, ask ivan [13:10] afiestas_: what's his irc nick? [13:11] Riddell: If he bothered to renew, there's hope he'll come back. [13:12] Riddell and yofel: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ [13:12] already read it [13:12] OK. [13:13] So then you know. [13:28] http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59011-Firefox-KDE-support&p=304990&viewfull=1#post304990 [13:28] anyone understands that? [13:32] apachelogger: not me [13:32] * shadeslayer was wondering what he was trying to say as well [13:32] apachelogger: someone who doesn't get the technical impossibility of using XUL themes in Qt [13:35] but what does he want? [13:35] kde-look in firefox? [13:37] apachelogger: best ignored? [13:37] hi vprints_, akademy all tidied up? [13:39] hi :) [13:39] mostly, yes [13:39] still have some boxes though :D [13:40] ones with ponies in them? [13:40] :D [13:40] ship them to apachelogger ;) [13:40] there might be some ponies :D [13:40] Riddell: he sent a mail to me :P [13:41] vprints_: ponies [13:41] \o/ [13:41] apachelogger: to everyone in that PPA of yours [13:41] ah [13:41] nice [13:41] yus [13:42] indeed [13:44] How are Kubuntu dev's doing? [13:44] 4.9 is compiling away in the secret PPA, testing will be needed in a bit [13:49] üüü [13:50] :) [14:05] Quintasan_: The 'fix ibus' part of making IM work is done in quantal. [15:10] anyone onto telepathy 0.4.1? [15:15] IIRC shadeslayer said something about it. [15:15] Not sure if he was doing anything. === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:53] ScottK: Can I have details? What was exatly fixed? [15:53] Quintasan: The missing depends on gnome-icon-theme. [15:53] Oh [15:53] Okay [15:54] (which is why some people can't see the icon) [15:54] They don't have it. [15:54] I still didn't take a look at language-selector though. [15:54] How about kdeplasma-addons? [15:54] If think the icon fix and adding the package back can be SRU'ed. [15:55] ScottK: Oh, I'll do it today or tomorrow then [15:55] I mean adding back kimpanel [15:55] Excellent. [15:58] vHanda: is there a patch needed for 4.9 about nepomuk? [15:58] or was it included? [16:01] seems not, adding https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105744/ [16:29] Riddell: how receptive would you guys be if you had to package nepomuk-core again? [16:29] uhh, let me rephrase that - a nepomuk-core with a different ABI [16:30] vHanda: that's fine, it's all in the secret PPA yet [16:30] won't you need to recompile kde-runtime then? [16:30] cause I really really hate this one stupid class, and I would love to get rid of it [16:31] but I haven't heard back from the release team [16:32] vHanda: yes we would but that's not tricky === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [18:24] so, germinate people, could someone explain to me what stuff inside the paranthese stands for? I've read the manpage quite some times but I still don't get it [18:24] shadeslayer: in a seed? it's a recommends vs depends [18:24] micahg: yeah [18:25] micahg: why not just put it in desktop-recommends ? [18:25] shadeslayer: that's what happends :) [18:25] or is desktop-recommends-foo generate from desktop-foo [18:25] *happens [18:26] they're both generated from the desktop seed [18:26] ahhhhh ... ok [18:26] micahg: and one clarification, ships vs live [18:27] vs desktop [18:27] ships -> on the CD but not installed [18:27] desktop -> KDE Core packages [18:27] yes, AIUI [18:27] Live -> Stuff like calligra? [18:27] desktop = kubuntu-desktop [18:28] live = extra stuff in live env, not in desktop [18:28] does stuff from live get installed onto the system? [18:28] I don't think so [18:29] ok [18:29] ( plus, it seems like we don't have a 'live' seed in kubuntu-meta [18:29] ) [18:29] shadeslayer: no, it's used in images (see comments in the file) [18:30] micahg: which file? :P [18:30] live file in kubuntu.quantal seed [18:31] shadeslayer: There is a live seed. [18:31] * shadeslayer looks [18:31] ok [18:31] s/seed/branch/, s/file/seed/ :) [18:31] micahg meant: "live file in kubuntu.quantal branch" [18:31] kubotu: almost right :) [18:36] aha ok [19:19] Where is debfx 's fancy new KDE version script? [19:19] * ScottK wants to try it on 4.8.5. [19:20] ScottK: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation [19:20] Thanks. [19:21] * genii-around sips and ponders +junk [19:21] have fun [19:28] hmm .. raspi is pretty slow [19:29] atleast apt-get install htop is really slow :P [19:29] Can't set locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct! \o/ [19:31] Linux rpi 3.1.9+ #110 PREEMPT Wed Jun 13 11:41:58 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux :D [19:31] wow, a fairly recent kernel [19:31] Quintasan: ^ [19:37] * Quintasan points shadeslayer to the door [19:37] damned bastard has working hardware [19:37] xD [19:38] FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU- [19:38] Quintasan: take solace in the fact that I only have 16 MB's of video memory [19:38] shadeslayer: Well, I got it booting but now eth0 can't come up xD [19:38] and 240 MB's of RAM [19:38] ok [19:44] Quintasan: driver probably crapped out :P [20:02] Quintasan: the fun part is that I can define what amount of video memory the RasPi should take :D [20:03] Did I mention where the doors are shadeslayer? [20:03] :P [20:03] :P [20:03] Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/525422 [20:03] .. [20:03] brb rebooting to linux [20:04] for some reason the ipv6 module is in use [20:07] shadeslayer: ktp 0.4.1 where? [20:07] Quintasan: it's in my PPA [20:07] y u no upload to ppa:telepathy-kde/ppa? [20:07] because it's not finished [20:07] and I semi scripted it [20:08] Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly [20:08] script still needs alot of work [20:08] I demand you finish it now [20:08] Quintasan: today was germinate/Pi day, tomorrow is ktp day [20:08] shadeslayer: What script? [20:09] Quintasan: I wrote a small script that uses uscan and uupdate [20:09] to update ALL the KDE Telepathy packages [20:09] except one didn't have a watch file [20:09] and it doesn't check if you have proper Maintainers in the control file [20:10] is the second thing really important? [20:10] send me the script [20:10] well .. yeah [20:10] sec [20:10] Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120174/ [20:10] Though I doubt it's really necessary to scipt that [20:10] Quintasan: way too many packates to do by hand [20:11] *packages [20:11] usage is ./foo.sh version [20:11] and it appends ppa1 to versions right now ;) [20:12] like I said, it's a WIP [20:13] Silly Rohan [20:13] no 0.4 for oneiric [20:13] brrr ... do we care about oneiric? [20:13] just flipping upgrade to LTS already :P [20:18] shadeslayer: besides, why the hell are you using pull-lp-source? [20:18] We do have 0.4 in quantal? [20:18] yep [20:18] Quintasan: how else would I run uscan? :P [20:18] Are our changes upstreamable or there are none? [20:18] there are none [20:18] the current packages ( except one or two ) are syncd [20:19] *sync'd [20:19] the exceptions are ktp-contact-runner and ktp-contact-applet which have not been packaged upstream [20:22] urgh [20:23] shadeslayer: Do we change maintainer to Kubuntu Developers if I update an Debian imported package? [20:23] wait [20:23] ffs [20:23] THIS IS INSANE [20:23] yep [20:23] :P [20:23] WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON NOW [20:23] Why there are 0.4 packages for QUANTAL in the PPA? [20:23] Quintasan: huh? [20:23] oh [20:23] ok, that doesn't make sense [20:23] ktp-accounts-kcm - 0.4.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 (Newer version available) (changes file) kiagiadakis-george 2012-06-19 Published Quantal Kde [20:24] Quintasan: how does it even matter ;) [20:24] It does [20:24] maybe because George wanted to release the packages for testing earlier [20:25] Quintasan: huh? [20:25] If we sort out uploading order I can just script some magic and we can be automagically done for every development release [20:25] Quintasan: uploading order doesn't matter now, lp figures out when to rebuild [20:26] Quintasan: take my script, add magic for fixing Maintainers and changelog entries ( uploading to PPA's for testbuilding etc ) [20:26] and voila [20:26] LOL NO [20:26] look [20:26] added bonus : look for files not installed [20:30] Hey guys, give me another week or so and I'll be abck. [20:30] back. [20:33] hey Darkwing, you've been too scarce on IRC lately! [20:34] O_O [20:34] Darkwing: \o [20:34] Sup? [20:35] hey I was first in line! [20:36] Darkwing: before you dissappear again, is there any chance that you could give me a link where I could download an image (even if it's not working properly yet) for the zatab? [20:36] Yeah I know... [20:36] I've been going through a divorce and I'm moving from California to Indiana. [20:37] Darkwing: sorry to hear, I hope it's as unpainful as it could possibly be [20:37] Careful. Too close to nixternal and you'll vanish in the vortex too. [20:37] highvoltage: you have an email and I'll email you every link? I have not had time to do much with it due to my RL crap [20:37] ScottK: You're not that lucky :P:P [20:37] Darkwing: understandable [20:37] Darkwing: jonathan@ubuntu.com [20:37] Darkwing: I'd really appreciate it :) [20:38] highvoltage: I'll get what I can to ya. :D [20:38] Darkwing: awesome! thanks! [20:38] I fly to Indiana on Friday. [20:38] So I'll be back soon. [20:39] Darkwing: Divorce? Urgh. Sorry to hear that [20:39] Yeah... with three kids involved too... [20:39] Yeah, and as ScottK said, be careful for nixternal vibes in the air [20:39] Black holes are common in there I hear [20:39] :P [20:39] LOL [20:39] I'm also close to jjesse and he didn't vanish. :P:P [20:40] If you start hearing voices then it's already too late [20:40] You mean I'm the only one who listens to the voices? [20:40] :P:P [20:41] heh [20:41] Darkwing: I think if you hear some voices in your head then you will be the only one hearing them :P [20:41] :D [20:41] "#less gnome, jriddell" [20:41] :P [20:42] COME TO THE OTHER SIDE [20:42] hehehe [20:42] now you are aware you read that in nixternal's voice [20:42] ah yes, next UDS at Copenhagen [20:43] WUT [20:43] it's up on uds.ubuntu.com [20:43] SAUCE [20:43] Copenhagen? [20:43] yeah [20:43] where svourela lives iirc [20:43] If I can afford to get my passport done, I'll be there. [20:44] BRB, reboot [20:45] What the hell [20:47] ok, I should be able to install kde-standard on the pi [20:47] should have enough space [20:47] back [20:48] shadeslayer: http://wklej.org/id/800840 [20:48] lawd [20:48] hmmz... quantal doesn't like my crypt space [20:48] never seen that [20:48] lolwat [20:49] ccache: FATAL: Failed to create /var/cache/pbuilder/ccache/a/3: Permission denied [20:49] hahah [20:49] WTF [20:49] how do I disable this ccache crap [20:50] heh [20:50] Quintasan: drop D20icecc [20:50] shadeslayer: pastebin your pbuilderrc [20:50] >implying I have this [20:50] Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120242/ [20:51] I have the ninja hooks in ~/.pbuilder-hooks [20:51] so do I [20:51] <3 localepurge [20:51] but I dropped most of them [20:51] Total disk space freed by localepurge: 83324 KiB [20:59] micahg: ScottK which seed list does the live ISO use ? ship-live or just live? [20:59] shadeslayer: Look at the structure file. [20:59] WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON [20:59] ScottK: that's what I'm looking at [21:00] If I understood right, it's live [21:00] What's not clear? [21:00] No. Ship live. [21:00] ScottK: there are 2 targes, live and ship-live [21:00] oh [21:01] I'm just going insane [21:01] Note that ship-live includes live. [21:01] right [21:01] Die in a fire ccache [21:01] So ship-live determines what's i n the squashfs. [21:01] ( plus has boot, important to boot a ISO ) [21:01] hmmm ... got it [21:04] What on Earth is wrong with ccache now [21:04] anywho, I'm done for the night, sleeping, bye :) [21:05] OK. Here we go. [21:06] 4.8.5 to ninjas ... [21:06] These are always fun ... "dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa *.changes" [21:08] Why did it break [21:09] I didn't even try to fix it [21:16] Crap. [21:16] Riddell: You know that since you did 4.9.0 for precise in Ninjas, now I can't use it for 4.8.5? [21:17] isn't 4.8.5 already out? then you could use staging [21:18] ah no [21:18] * ScottK resists the temptation to express his frustration via the "delete PPA" button. [21:19] WAAAIIIIT [21:19] I said I was resisting. [21:49] RIght, so building them all locally will take awhile. [21:50] New kde-runtime tarball for 4.9.0. [22:26] ScottK: get another ppa? [22:26] Not a private one. [22:26] why not? [22:28] Because they don't just hand those out. [22:28] Didn't get very far anyway. [22:28] cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/libnepomuk.so.4': No such file or directory [22:28] kde4libs FTBFS. [22:28] brrr [22:29] ScottK: well, what would be the harm in getting another ppa in addition to the primary ninja? [22:29] No harm, just not sure if we'll get it. [22:29] Actually, not sure I want to remind them we've got the one we do. [22:30] Now that Riddell 's flown the coop, I'm not sure we're supposed to keep it. [22:33] How do I run a CMake module by hand? [22:33] Specifically cmake/modules/FindSoprano.cmake in kdelibs. [22:37] Sigh. [22:37] Could NOT find Soprano: Found version "2.7.5", but required is at least "2.7.56" (found /usr/include) === smarter_ is now known as smarter [23:20] ScottK: what what? [23:25] If we want 4.8.5 in precise we'll either need to update soprano or figure out how to revert stuff. [23:25] The soprano diff is ~3,000 lines. [23:27] does 4.8.5 need a new soprano? [23:27] All my 4.8.5 uploads to ninjas got rejected. [23:27] Dunno. I wrote packages/release to say WTF. [23:27] CMake says it does. [23:28] well that's a bit anti-social of it, nag at vHanda [23:29] ninjas is being used for 4.9 as you found out, use kubuntu-ppa/staging in such cases [23:29] Riddell: Can't pre-release. It's still private tarballs. [23:30] hmm, that's a clash [23:31] vHanda: Is there something we can do about needing a new soprano for KDE SC 4.8.5?