[00:01] <ali1234> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/madsci9001
[02:32] <Azelphur> gah, I need a new text editor
[02:32] <Azelphur> gedit is just too buggy to use, it's really frustrating me
[03:25] <soreau> Azelphur: geany is pretty damn good
[03:25] <Azelphur> soreau: haha I just bumped into it, and I'm liking it
[03:26] <soreau> Azelphur: It's really more of an IDE but works fine as a common text editor
[03:26] <Azelphur> yea
[03:26] <ali1234> gedit is winnnn
[03:27] <soreau> nnnndoze
[03:27] <Azelphur> ali1234: would be if it wasn't bugged out
[03:27] <ali1234> also the hamsternauts are doing something
[03:27] <Azelphur> my text cursor keeps disappearing so I can't see what I'm doing
[03:27] <soreau> sorry, couldn't help it;)
[03:28] <Azelphur> haha
[04:47] <ali1234>  20   0 3300m 2.3g  62m S  100 14.8 172:57.15 firefox
[04:47] <ali1234> i have a single tab open on "about:blank"
[04:47] <ali1234> this is ridiculous
[05:03] <MartijnVdS> "We've fixed the memory leak bugs" - Firefox team
[05:09] <ali1234> note that it's also using 100% cpu for some reason
[05:09] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I read somewhere that js which takes a reference to the DOM can't be killed off because the memory is still referenced
[05:09] <MartijnVdS> so it could still be running (and if it's buggy, getting nothing from the now-stale DOM)
[05:09] <ali1234> sounds about right, i've been developing some javascript code
[05:57] <christel> good morning pretties
[06:19] <popey> Morning all!
[06:39] <christel> morning popey :)
[06:40] <popey> christel, those disks are wiped now
[06:45] <christel> \o/
[06:45] <christel> well done!
[06:45] <popey> wheee
[06:46] <popey> mcd wifi works outside mcd :)
[06:46] <christel> are you just sat in your car outside mcdonalds Going On The Internet and looking shifty? :P
[06:47] <christel> oh you're off to IoM today aren't you?
[06:58] <popey> ya
[06:59] <popey> well, i was inside mcd but they got busy and people started hovering around the table i was on
[06:59] <popey> tutting
[06:59] <christel> hehe
[06:59] <popey> now there is a queue out the door
[06:59] <christel> see, you should have asked them to join you in a discussion about Jesus
[06:59] <christel> it usually works.. apart from the few times it backfires and people are really keen on talking about jesus
[07:00] <popey> hahah
[07:00] <popey> s/jesus/satan/
[07:00] <christel> :D
[07:00] <popey> s/satan/ubuntu/ :)
[07:00] <christel> \o/
[07:00] <christel> cultbuntu! \o/
[07:00] <popey> \o/
[07:07]  * popey wanders off to look for a plane shaped thing
[07:07] <christel> it is in alan's fridge..
[07:07] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer \o/
[07:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> hi christel.
[07:09] <christel> how are you this fineeee morning lovely one? :D
[07:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> crap frankly
[07:19] <christel> oh no! howcome?
[07:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> dunno really. Woke up at 2:15am, finally got some sleep around 5:30 - 7:30 but only little bits. Just feel rubbish.
[07:21] <christel> auch -- yes, that would probably not make me feel Too Great either! i like my sleep
[07:28] <j0nr> Good morning.
[07:28] <j0nr> I have a mail server question.
[07:29] <j0nr> I havemine set up so that various different <names>@mydomain.com all come into the one <server user> account, via aliases in /etc/aliases (iirc)
[07:29] <j0nr> I also have virtual domains set up so that I can also receive <names>@myseconddomain.com into the same account
[07:30] <j0nr> I then just redirect different things into different mailboxes (Maildir) using procmail
[07:31] <j0nr> But, if I then add this account to say my phone (an IMAP) I get all accounts in thr one account obviously
[07:31] <j0nr> I was wondering if I could set up the seconddomain so I could some how set up a second accout on my phone just for that
[07:32] <j0nr> I guess the easiest way would be to create a second user on my server for that domain...but is it possible without having to do that (plus associated hassle of backing up a second account)
[07:59] <kvarley> This is an unrelated question to Ubuntu but I know somebody will know. When somebody spoofs their user agent, does their browser still complete conditional html statements for their browser? E.g. if IE6 was pretending to be Firefox would it still render the IF IE 6 conditional statement or would it not?
[08:00] <directhex> kvarley, yes.
[08:01] <directhex> kvarley, the change only relates to the User-Agent HTTP header. nothing more.
[08:01] <kvarley> So why would detecting browsers features via Javascript take precedence over this method?
[08:02] <kvarley> I have seen people suggesting to feature detect rather than using conditional statements which is weird if they work fine
[08:02] <kvarley> Thanks directhex
[08:02] <directhex> feature detection means you can better handle unknown cases
[08:03] <directhex> if a chinese visitor comes on using MaoistWeb 4.7, do you use your IE6, IE7, Opera, or Netscape 4.7 code?
[08:03] <kvarley> I'd use my modern browser code unless they have JS turned off in which case they'd use my mobile friendly site
[08:03] <kvarley> directhex: I see you point though, that's why it would be better =]
[08:05] <directhex> i'd just sniff. "if IE6 then redirect to 'you are blocked' page, otherwise work normally"
[08:06] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:06] <kvarley> directhex: It'll be more, detect IE6 and load in all the CSS hacks heh but that's the plan =]
[08:06] <kvarley> Thanks directhex
[08:07] <directhex> i wonder how much global warming could be blamed on all the extra fossil fuels burned to power enough computers to allow sites to be developed & tested in IE6
[08:08] <DJones> Just looking at this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/29/tweets_texts_blamed_for_olympic_bike_race_bungles/ Is it this likely, or just a made up excuse to cover equipment failure?
[08:09] <AlanBell> made up excuse
[08:10] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:10] <christel> morning bigcalm \o/
[08:10] <DJones> My thought as well, its not as if GPS systems and text messages to local mobile masts will be on the same frequency
[08:10]  * bigcalm tickles christel hello
[08:11] <christel> rawr
[08:11] <christel> i am trying to work out what to do today -- the boy wonder is On Holiday, which means he has to be entertained!
[08:11] <christel> ignoring the fact that he is still fast asleep
[08:13] <czajkowski> christel: by chicken and let him watch it all day
[08:13] <czajkowski> seems to work well
[08:13] <czajkowski> or a tramploine
[08:13] <DJones> Take him shopping, after a day wandering round shops, he'll never take a day off ever again
[08:13] <christel> no more chickens. i dreamt of chickens.
[08:13] <christel> (i didn't really)
[08:14] <christel> DJones: haha he LOVES shopping!
[08:14] <DJones> ....... WHAT.... A bloke that loves shopping
[08:14] <christel> he is 2
[08:14] <christel> :s
[08:14] <christel> i am sure it will pass
[08:15] <DJones> At that age, he's obviously not been dragged into enough shoe/handbag shops
[08:15] <christel> i am pondering bird world...
[08:16] <christel> since well, he loves chickens.. he should love other birds too right?
[08:16] <DJones> KFC?
[08:16] <christel> a day out at kfc! sounds like a PLN
[08:16] <AlanBell> birdworld is good and they have chickens
[08:16] <christel> AlanBell: damn :(
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> christel: "chasing birds"?
[08:16] <christel> chickens EVERYWHERE
[08:17] <christel> MartijnVdS: mmm they start early in the uk!
[08:19] <christel> i must admit i've never ventured to birdworld, i do have an annual pass
[08:19] <christel> (because i am backwards)
[08:25] <directhex> small birds are Bad(tm) for small children
[08:25] <directhex> like super bad
[08:27] <christel> oooh?
[08:27] <directhex> Psittacosis. it's enough of an issue that health visitors check you don't have any small birds when visiting, due to the risk to the child's health
[08:29] <christel> i avoided health visitors when david was littler, they scared me!
[08:33] <christel> (alternatively, we just heavily disagreed so i decided they were the scum of the earth)
[08:34] <czajkowski> lol
[08:34] <directhex> well ours declared our baby was fat. which was unhelpful.
[08:35] <czajkowski> :o
[08:35] <oimon> NHS are well funny with regards formula milk
[08:36] <oimon> almost a direct quote: "formula feeding will kill your baby, and give it breast cancer diabetes and heart attack"
[08:36] <directhex> they live in fear of the breast feeding mafioso, e.g. "Baby Milk Action"
[08:37] <directhex> basically there's some old WHO directive from the 80s banning non-negative portrayal of formula, and the NHS will get sued by busybodies if they don't comply
[08:37] <directhex> and mothers who physically can't breastfeed? they're clearly terrible people and should not be pandered to.
[08:38] <oimon> even if the mother is at risk, they still don't recommend formula
[08:38] <directhex> funnily enough the pediatricians ordered us to give ours formula. i suspect being premature made a difference to attitude
[08:39] <christel> oimon: they cant really because of WHO guidelines
[08:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:40] <directhex> it also means they can't answer the question "which brand of baby milk is nutritionally best for my child?"
[08:40] <christel> on the flipside our HV recommended formula (which was the time i threw her out of the house, being a bit of a breastfeeding nazi and all)
[08:40] <christel> directhex: yeah, that is a bit of an arse -- when medically indicated they should be able to provide some sort of advice as not everyone has access to donor milk (in our area, surrey/hants the only milk bank is in southampton)
[08:41] <christel> to which i must have donated litres during my time of being well, a cow :)
[08:41] <directhex> i think we managed 3 weeks of mixed feeding
[08:41] <oimon> my mum fed around half the ward when she had kids
[08:41] <christel> oimon: hehe
[08:42] <oimon> they did that in those days
[08:42] <directhex> but there wasn't enough supply to even supply half what the midget required. so pretty much a losing battle
[08:42] <christel> being foreign i come from such a different culture so during one of the antenatal visits with the midwife, when asked how i intended to feed the baby i stared at her blankly trying to work out how many ways in which you could a baby whilst breastfeeding and wondering why it mattered
[08:42] <directhex> tried everything including off-label meds to try & up supply. no dice. still busybodies make it their job to punish you for bottle feeding
[08:43] <directhex> it's all nestle's fault iirc
[08:44] <directhex> advertising to african mothers in the 70s that their babies would die unless fed nestle brand formula instead of breast milk is why the WHO brought in those guidelines
[08:44] <christel> i can imagine that having been hard and you must have felt very disappointed/disheartened -- i can't count the number of friends i have who ended up having to give up on breastfeeding, be it due to low supply or lack of support from healthcare professionals (who generally appear to be lacking when it comes to education on it -- which seems daft considering the WHO guidelines etc)
[08:44] <directhex> which mean various things like "offering discounts of any kind on formula is banned", up to and including tesco's "£5 off when you spend £40" coupons exckude fags, petrol... and formula
[08:45] <christel> david's little red book has really daft comments and smiley faces in it as our GP was so impressed that i still breastfed when he reached two and kept calling him a lucky little boy, something which apparently meant treating me like a child by putting smiley faces in his book!
[08:46] <directhex> christel, definitely not a lack of support. just supply. probably genetic, too. sister in law just had a baby, also can't get him to feed
[08:47] <christel> *nod*
[08:47] <directhex> hospitals stock three brands of formula (out of the four major ones) on the basis that they can give you whatever you intend to use at home. but if you haven't counted on formula feeding, which one do you use?
[08:48] <directhex> hint: a D4 is a useful thing to own
[08:48] <christel> hehe
[08:49] <directhex> we ended up picking SMA. at random.
[08:49] <AlanBell> don't recall them stocking it, I had to go to boots and buy a couple of everything
[08:49] <christel> my other half used to kindly offer to go buy some formula whenever we went through a major growth spurt and i was sat there bawling my eyes out having done nothing but feed for N hours
[08:50] <directhex> AlanBell, well, things may have changed. small 100ml glass bottles plus a million pre-sterilized disposable teats
[08:51] <AlanBell> this was 12 years ago, probably has got more sensible now
[08:52] <directhex> these kinds of things also vary geographically
[08:56] <bigcalm> I wonder if there will ever come a day where one never need reboot a machine for a new kernel
[08:56] <AlanBell> ksplice was the technology but Oracle bought it to kill it
[08:57] <AlanBell> someone else could do it, but Oracle will probably stamp on it if the code is written in the wrong jurisdiction
[08:57] <bigcalm> That was nice of them
[08:57] <AlanBell> http://www.ksplice.com/
[08:58] <AlanBell> oh, actually they have done something for precise
[08:58] <oimon> oracle use it
[08:58] <oimon> but you have to pay premium
[08:58] <AlanBell> http://www.ksplice.com/uptrack/download-ubuntu
[08:58] <AlanBell> oimon: they only use it to annoy redhat really
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[09:03] <christel> mooorning JamesTait \o/
[09:03] <JamesTait> christel: o/ How are you my lovely?
[09:04] <christel> i am exceptionally well! thyself? :D
[09:05] <christel> i am waiting for the toddler of doom to wake up!
[09:05] <JamesTait> I'm well, though the weekend didn't seem quite long enough. :)
[09:05] <christel> aww, they rarely are!
[09:07] <JamesTait> How was the BBQ?
[09:07] <christel> it was AMAZING
[09:07] <christel> \o/
[09:08]  * bigcalm wanted a sausage
[09:08] <bigcalm> Just a bit far for 1
[09:08] <christel> bigcalm: there was plenty of hot, juicy meat!
[09:08] <christel> <3
[09:09] <bigcalm> Humm, sounds as though it wasn't cooked enough
[09:09]  * JamesTait was at a wedding.
[09:10] <christel> and you didn't bring me?! tsk!
[09:11] <JamesTait> Sorry, I already ahd a car full. ;)
[09:13] <christel> we're are like SO over ;)
[09:16] <directhex> new pram \o/
[09:16]  * JamesTait sulks
[09:16] <christel> awww, ok, i am fickle.. i didn't mean that! :P
[09:16] <christel> directhex: \o/
[09:16] <bigcalm> directhex: replaced the screw?
[09:18] <directhex> we had a freebie 2nd hand one. which a) sucked and b) wasn't travel-system-compatible with our car seat, which means more stress for transporting the midget
[09:18] <christel> what did you go for now? :)
[09:18] <JamesTait> Heh, "the midget". :)
[09:19] <directhex> a Which? magazine best buy! :D
[09:20] <oimon> "which" still exists?
[09:21] <JamesTait> Oh yes.  Did you not see the "big switch" campaign earlier this year?
[09:21] <oimon> :|
[09:21] <oimon> i don't generally notice things
[09:21] <JamesTait> :)
[09:21] <oimon> or go in shops, see adverts
[09:22] <oimon> the good news is I replaced the lcd scren in my wife's HTC desire
[09:22] <oimon> android brain surgery
[09:22] <JamesTait> I try to avoid shops as much as possible.  Which makes having a subscription to a consumer-orientated magazine seem kind of redundant, which is why I'm umming and aahing about cancelling it.
[09:22] <christel> \o/
[09:22] <christel> haha
[09:22] <oimon> i try not to buy things either
[09:22] <oimon> but my wife thinks otherwise
[09:24] <JamesTait> No comment. ;)
[09:24] <christel> i sometimes try not to buy things.. i am not very good at not buying things
[09:24] <christel> the postman asked me the other day when i was intending to stop ordering so much stuff :(
[09:24] <oimon> before i was married, i managed to amass a massive load of money just by not spending it on unecessary things
[09:25] <oimon> christel, really?!
[09:26] <christel> yes :S
[09:26] <oimon> lol
[09:26] <christel> it was a tad embarassing!
[09:27] <JamesTait> oimon: Well, my kids know not to come and ask me for stuff.  It's not that I never buy them anything, but I ask them to justify the spend. ;)
[09:28] <JamesTait> So they go and ask Mom first, win her over, then get her to come and ask me. :)
[09:28] <bigcalm> JamesTait: sounds like me as a child :S
[09:29] <JamesTait> bigcalm: Oh yeah, I have no doubt I used to do the same.
[09:30] <AlanBell> JamesTait: my kids ask me first, I say yes, they go check with mum, she says no, I keep telling them that getting a second opinion when you already have the answer you want is illogical
[09:30] <christel> hahahaha
[09:30] <JamesTait> AlanBell: I like it. :)
[09:30] <christel> <3
[09:32] <bigcalm> Haha
[09:36] <bigcalm> Ahoy popey. How's the tax haven today?
[09:38] <popey> Warm
[09:38] <popey> sunny
[09:38] <directhex> covered in bees
[09:40] <bigcalm> Bees are cool
[09:41]  * bigcalm reminds me to check weebl's stuff
[09:46] <gord> Beeds?
[09:47] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XcT49ms4yg
[09:50] <gord> bees? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4MqTCIDKhU
[09:52]  * bigcalm giggles
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7044/oprahbees.gif ?
[09:53] <bigcalm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc0h1V7NwHo
[09:59] <oimon> roads and tube around olympic park are quiet today
[10:02] <dwatkins> I assume directhex was quoting Invader Zim...
[10:04] <dwatkins> ...or possibly Eddie Izzard
[10:04] <bigcalm> I remember it from Eddie Izzard
[10:05] <dwatkins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-tl6GBOBo to save anyone else looking it up
[10:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:07] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: Prod! Morning
[10:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[10:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: 200 miles just over 1/4 of a tank of diesel used can't be bad :)
[10:09] <davmor2> hmmmmmm /me doesn't like where his inbox is going
[10:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: if only the fuel gauge was linear ;)
[10:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: well we are guestimating at 5-700 miles a tank depending on how much of it is moving motorway :)
[10:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: unless you spend your whole time in 20/30/40mph zones, you will get 570+ without trying
[10:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed :)
[10:12] <davmor2> very nice car though :)
[10:16] <bigcalm> Glad you're liking it
[10:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: I could figure out why the cruise control didn't work then I took my foot completely off the clutch and it did, it's like voodoo :D
[10:21] <bigcalm> You rest your foot on the clutch?
[10:21] <bigcalm> Hayley doesn't like me using the cruise control. So I make do with the speed limiter
[10:21] <bigcalm> I'm curious what your car thinks going at 60/70mph really is
[10:22] <czajkowski> bigcalm: why buy a car with it then!
[10:22] <bigcalm> davmor2: Use a satnav or speed app on your phone and let me know ;)
[10:22] <directhex> i get 400-500 miles per tank, but my tank isn't too big
[10:22] <directhex> too much space taken by batteries
[10:23] <bigcalm> czajkowski: why buy a car with a glovebox? It isn't required, but it's handy if you need it
[10:23] <davmor2> directhex: this is a puegeot 407 estate bit bigger I'm guessing :)
[10:23] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I didn't buy the car on features alone
[10:23] <mattt> 200 miles w/ a 1/4 tank?
[10:23] <mattt> i need me one of those
[10:24] <directhex> yeah, here we go, 45 litre tank. that's about the same as my last car (a honda jazz)
[10:25] <davmor2> directhex: the batteries are the killer for you if it is dual petrol/eletric
[10:26] <directhex> diesel 407 saloon is 66 litre tank.
[10:27] <directhex> all 407's in fact, since fuel tank is largely defined by the base chassis
[10:28] <bigcalm> It's raining \o/
[10:28] <mattt> \o/ ?
[10:28] <bigcalm> I like rain
[10:28]  * mattt dislikes bigcalm
[10:28] <mattt> kidding
[10:28] <bigcalm> Hah
[10:28] <directhex> it's raining men?
[10:28] <mattt> rain is fine, but enough already for a few weeks :)
[10:54]  * bigcalm tum-te-tums
[10:54] <bigcalm> Ever so slightly bored of Mondays
[11:00] <nja> Hello
[11:03] <nja> Friends forcing me into karaokeparty...
[11:03] <nja> http://www.karaokeparty.com/en/battle/5165547/
[11:04] <davmor2> nja: that doesn't mean you have to inflict it on us honest
[11:05] <nja> @davmor2 Just showing you the results
[11:21] <czajkowski> hello twitter Ng
[11:21] <czajkowski> ahh he went
[11:21] <czajkowski> I wanted to @him again
[11:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: please this is a family channel :P
[11:27] <czajkowski> davmor2: ahh yes @it @is @indeed
[11:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: if you put @ in front of one more word I may have to travel to London and tickle you :P
[11:31] <AlanBell> oh I see, can't come down for a BBQ, but a tickle is worth the visit!
[11:32] <davmor2> AlanBell: I can book it and spend the day working at bluefin the tickle would just be to annoy czajkowski it's the cherry on top :)
[11:33] <czajkowski> davmor2: when you coming down
[11:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: not for a bit unfortunately which is a shame I really want to see the new office :)
[11:34] <AlanBell> https://uds.ubuntu.com/ Copenhagen
[11:35] <czajkowski> and for  4 days
[11:36] <AlanBell> and no sponsorship for community members for UDS?
[11:36] <czajkowski> eh?
[11:37] <AlanBell> I am not going to this one anyway, I just don't see the link to the form
[11:37] <czajkowski> I didnt think it was open
[11:37] <czajkowski> http://uds.ubuntu.com/register/
[11:38] <AlanBell> yeah, it mentions sponsorship there (and also includes "Submitted your expenses at the end of the event by Friday 8th June 2012")
[11:38] <AlanBell> but register and sponsorship were two different things (might be combined now)
[11:39] <AlanBell> http://uds.ubuntu.com/sponsorship/ was the link last time I believe
[11:39] <christel> COPENHAGEN is woooooonderful
[11:39] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I suspect people havebeen asking over and over location and date the site is just up
[11:39] <christel> i am also ever so slightly suicidal having spent an hour and a half in the play park surrounded by mums attempting to talk to me :(
[11:40] <czajkowski> maybe am wrong
[11:40] <christel> (i am really not cut out for this parenting lark)
[11:41] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yeah, might well just be stuff not updated yet, and it is fine if there isn't sponsorship available, it was always an amazingly generous thing to offer
[11:42] <christel> indeed
[12:01] <sebsebseb> hi
[12:23] <n1md4> Hi.  Looking at getting a budget GeForce 880GT for HTPC and some gaming.  I'd like to have VDPAU support, and thought it would have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo.  But, I've then fished around for a review and found this (rather old 2007) Phoronix article http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ecs_geforce_8800gt&num=3 and I quote "Another note about the NVIDIA support under Linux is th
[12:24] <n1md4> ... empirical evidence would be best ... Azelphur ? ;)
[12:26] <directhex> 8800?
[12:27] <directhex> 880 doesn't exist
[12:27] <gord> fwiw a GeForce 880GT doesn't exist ;) i think you mean an 8800GT, which is hugely underpowered for gaming
[12:27] <directhex> it's a decent workhorse, for a 4 year old pc
[12:27] <directhex> wife's old pc had one. it was fine for the games of yesteryear
[12:28] <gord> yes, it was good for the games that came out all those years ago when the gpu came out, the same is true of any gpu
[12:28] <n1md4> I did mean 8800GT, you're right.
[12:28] <gord> you could claim a rage 128pro is fine by those standards
[12:28] <directhex> no, i couldn't. the entire rage series was diabolical
[12:29] <n1md4> My criteria is silent, good enough to play supcom and team fortress, and have vdpau support.  Any suggestions?
[12:29] <directhex> mostly due to the hideous driver legacy of ati rage
[12:30] <gord> get a 9600 at least
[12:30] <gord> or honestly just get a cheep geforce 260
[12:30] <directhex> passive cooling isn't needed on a gpu these days. the fan is silent in 2d mode
[12:30] <directhex> and in 3d mode, you can't hear the fan over the HAIL OF BULLETS
[12:31] <n1md4> gah!  I'd feared that.  There were 2, one on amazon the other ebay, I had a 24 hours to wait for payday, and they'd both gone when the time came!
[12:31] <directhex> i might have a 260 in a box
[12:31] <directhex> might have binned it
[12:31] <directhex> who knows
[12:31] <n1md4> I've a 2900 and 4870, both are really loud and hot.
[12:32] <directhex> nope, i had a clearout
[12:32] <directhex> spare audigy2!
[12:34] <n1md4> What card would you recommend then, that meets those requirements?
[12:34] <n1md4> I've not a fortune to spend either.
[12:35] <n1md4> "or honestly just get a cheep geforce 260"  ... oh, I see.  Thanks.
[12:38] <n1md4> On a separate note, I've a 6600M that idles at around 70~  ... that's not right, surely?
[12:50] <ironm> Hello. I am not sure if it is a bug in ubuntu-server or just wrong settings on my fresh ubuntu-server 12.04 box. I use encryption for the boot drive and also an additional encrypted volume due to the entries in /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab (see. http://paste.debian.net/181178/ ). When I open the luks volume manually with "tcryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb secret" he passphrase input is "hidden".
[12:50] <ironm> During the boot the passphrase input for the additional volume is "echoed" to the display what I don't want. is it a know bug or do I need to modify the setting? Thank you in advance for any hints.
[12:51] <ironm> s/ he / the /
[12:52] <moviebun> Good afternoon all. Having an issue with Ubuntu 12.04 desktop running from a usb. Anyone help please? The initial installation goes fine and I can reboot into Ubuntu from the usb.
[12:52] <moviebun> I run some updates and install a few programs to the usb. Next time I reboot into the usb, it asks for a username and password. No username or password was created during the installation to usb though. What's happening?
[12:52] <moviebun> 	Have tried [blank], [blank] - 'ubuntu' and [blank] and various other permutations - all no good.
[12:53] <ironm> moviebun, do you boot from the usb stick in live mode? .. or already from the HDD ?
[12:54] <moviebun> I've set the bios to boot from usb having installed the iso using the Pendrive linux installer.
[12:55] <ironm> so you use your usb stick as disk drive with installed OS
[12:56] <moviebun> Yes - I'm attempting to use the usb as a portable version of my computer's hard drive Ubuntu installation - same programs etc.
[12:57] <moviebun> I can install all the programs to the usb fine - it's just the login username and password when the OS boots from the usb that I can't solve.
[12:59] <moviebun> In a normal hd installation of Ubuntu you can specify to login automatically. There was no such option presented during the creation of the usb unfortunately. I wasn't asked to specify a username and password either.
[12:59] <ironm> moviebun, I would make fresh install to the usb pendrive and check the user name (and set new password) after the first boot
[13:00] <moviebun> How do I do that please?
[13:00] <ironm> man adduser
[13:02] <moviebun> Ahh - I see. I need to intervene with sorting the username and password out straight after the first boot (while it's still accessible) and before I get to running updates and adding new programs?
[13:02] <directhex> new pram! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW3ObT8WdBQ
[13:04] <bigcalm> directhex: do you get a pop-up baby as well?
[13:04] <bigcalm> directhex: you need to tell your wife about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA
[13:05] <moviebun> Thanks for the help ironm - much appreciated. Will give it a try back home later today.
[13:08] <directhex> bigcalm, was the only way to get the pram and me in shot without standing on the desk, in fairness
[13:08] <moviebun> \leave
[13:08]  * bigcalm grumbles a little
[13:09] <bigcalm> moviebun: no!
[13:09] <moviebun> sorry - I'll sit in the corner for a while... :-)
[13:09] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:10] <pierre1234> gkzuegfbyczef
[13:10] <pierre1234> g
[13:12] <directhex> indeed, pierre, indeed!
[13:18] <czajkowski> bigcalm: only a little, surely not, this is you :p
[13:18] <bigcalm> Yay
[13:18] <bigcalm> I am now known as an overly grumbly man :D
[13:18]  * bigcalm is a grumpy old fart
[13:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: that just means you're get old :P
[13:31] <bigcalm> It's been a while, but I'm considering putting on some trousers
[13:32] <directhex> i am wearing clothes, despite working from home!
[13:33] <christel> haha directhex how many times did you practise that move before filming?:P
[13:33] <directhex> christel, like, twice? the only part i've had to practice is the dismantling
[13:34] <christel> hehe
[14:24] <AlanBell> http://londonist.com/2012/07/the-olympic-park-made-from-lego.php look what my mate Warren made
[14:35] <davmor2> AlanBell: wow that's impressive details I mean I see empty seat in their stadium too ;)
[14:36] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:36] <popey> lol
[14:39]  * daubers doesn't understand why the empty seats thing is such a big issue
[14:39] <daubers> but then I don't really "do" sport. So maybe I'm not the papers target audience :)
[14:40] <directhex> daubers, because many people were unable to buy tickets
[14:40] <directhex> and they were priced on the basis of scarcity
[14:40] <daubers> ah, ok
[14:40] <directhex> so empty seats are a slap to those who paid through the nose or couldn't get tickets at all
[14:40] <directhex> as it turns out they're basically all free seats given to various rich people & companies e.g. football association, and those people don't care enough to use their freebies
[14:41] <daubers> I thought some of them came as part of the contract to deliver the olympics?
[14:41] <directhex> yep.
[14:42] <directhex> same heading though. "hey sponsors, have 1000 tickets!" "er, thanks. so who's going to the pub?"
[14:42] <daubers> Ohhhh, I know the answer to that one.... is it me?
[14:42] <popey> giving them to the army and people who volunteered to help is a token gesture to placate people
[14:43] <directhex> popey, they should have been receiving free tickets anyway. far moreso than samsung and addidas
[15:34] <livingdaylight> I was at the Olympics yesterday when it poured monsoon rain. There was absolutely no where to find shelter and take cover, except for a few toilets that were packed out
[15:35] <livingdaylight> It's incredible that within the multi-billion pound budget to create this Olympic event not 1penny was spent on providing cover for people in the likely eventuality that it would rain.
[15:40] <dogmatic69> livingdaylight: 5 quid brolly?
[15:42] <livingdaylight> dogmatic69: Nothing wrong with brollies, but not everyone remembers to bring one; its not the point though is it?
[15:43] <dogmatic69> livingdaylight: I doubt building shelter for hundreds of thousands of forgetful people is feasible really.
[15:45] <livingdaylight> we disagree then. For me it reflects someting about how a place is organized and caters for a user's experience
[15:46] <livingdaylight> if the other extreme is true and it is burning hot it's also (still ) nice to have cover, like marquees at weddings , or canvas (sail) roofs. even the few picnic tables didn't have one umbrella. Charging £2.50 for a 99p flake is okay though. lol
[15:50] <zleap> cover is good if looking at computer screens too,  less glare
[15:52] <dwatkins> I wish we had ice cream in the office, it's 29.3 degrees
[16:10] <nja> Hi
[16:16] <dwatkins> lo
[17:25] <Brunell> hi there just installed xchat, how do I add servers and join channels? Seems pretty different from IRC
[17:26] <christel> not like that :s
[17:38] <ali1234> free delivery on orders over £12 from rapid...
[17:51] <christel> buy all the things
[18:05] <zleap> hi
[18:26] <SuperEngineer> hi folks, anybody remember that bug number for weather-indicator not updating, think I ought to make mine a duplicate of it but can't find the one mentioned here yesterday :(
[18:29] <dogmatic69> SuperEngineer: check the logs maybe?
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> dogmatic69: brilliant idea - guess my brain is abit more tired than yours - [jealous]
[18:30] <dogmatic69> bug 1030087
[18:30] <dogmatic69> \o/
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> :)
[18:31] <dogmatic69> SuperEngineer: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ for next time ;)
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: I found one complaint with my 407 after a weekend driving it,  if you are in the wrong gear you suffer :)  It has plenty of pull.  but if you are doing 30 in forth and can accelerate to 40 forget it, drop the third and put your foot down and it flies :) forth doesn't get real power till 38 :)
[18:40] <SuperEngineer> dogmatic69: just for info... logged back into launchpad & found mine aleady marked as duplicate - as is 1030087 - all against much earlier [earlier] #964365... impressed
[18:41] <dogmatic69> :)
[18:41] <dogmatic69> maybe someone done it for you
[18:42] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:48] <jacobw> i've heard people rave about 407s before
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> Proxy Authentication Required?
[19:45]  * bigcalm slithers in
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> Slitherin?
[19:46] <brobostigon> "bad wolf"
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Wrong universe ;)
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> (Whoniverse?)
[19:46] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ohwell :)
[20:18] <christel> 13
[20:18] <christel> er
[20:19] <bigcalm> Unlucky for you :S
[20:19] <zleap> lol
[20:19] <zleap> nothing wrong with 13
[20:19] <christel> quite :p
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/4tvla.jpg
[20:26] <bigcalm> Heh
[20:32] <dwatkins> I was expecting her: http://images.wikia.com/house/images/d/d7/House_Thirteen.jpg (SFW)
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> Who?
[20:33] <dwatkins> The character is called "Thirteen"
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> Strange name
[20:34] <dwatkins> It's her number on her first day.
[20:34] <zleap> MartijnVdS, is that from macbeth
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> zleap: Hamlet I think (Alas poor Yorick etc.)
[20:35] <zleap> ah
[20:35] <zleap> oops
[20:42] <jacobw> evening
[20:42] <jacobw> dwatkins: she's pretty :)
[20:42]  * jacobw is a house fan
[20:43] <dwatkins> jacobw: :)
[20:45] <Azelphur> Anyone know if there's a way to search ebay auctions that have closed?
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> google?
[20:46] <jacobw> Azelphur: are you seeking pain?
[20:46] <Azelphur> jacobw: It'd be handy for price checking things
[20:49] <jacobw> :)
[20:52] <jacobw> gabrielle anwar \o/
[20:59] <AlanBell> Azelphur: sure you can, it is one of the checkboxes in the search, completed listings or something
[20:59] <Azelphur> so there is
[20:59] <Azelphur> yet, it still doesn't find any of my monitors
[20:59] <Azelphur> nobody sells my monitors, ever, they are just that good?
[21:15] <n1md4> evening all
[21:15] <Azelphur> Anyone clever have any idea how I'd do this, on Linux? http://files.tested.com/photos/2012/03/16/55-21013-idisplay_galaxytab.jpg
[21:16] <Azelphur> I've been trying to figure it out for a while and not got very far :(
[21:17] <n1md4> http://www.talkandroid.com/31426-turn-your-android-device-into-a-second-monitor-with-idisplay/
[21:17] <n1md4> You mean under Linux?
[21:17] <Azelphur> yep
[21:17] <Azelphur> that is iDisplay, I know, but iDisplay is Windows/OSX only
[21:17] <n1md4> I've never tired it, and that link looks to be windows .... right
[21:17] <n1md4> hmmmm
[21:17] <zleap> what about vnc
[21:18] <zleap> but x should be able to display on remote hardware anyway
[21:18] <Azelphur> zleap: that's the approach I tried to take, I found out x11vnc can clip to a specific area of the screen, but unfortunately I couldn't figure out how to trick the system into thinking there is a second screen
[21:18] <zleap> ok
[21:18] <zleap> not sure
[21:19] <Azelphur> yea, the tricking it into a second screen thing is the really hard bit :(
[21:19] <n1md4> interested myself, if i stumble across anything I'll let you know
[21:19] <zleap> i thought it was a case of setting it up so you tell it the IP addy of the remote client
[21:20] <zleap> display 0:0 islocal then other numbers refer to other displays ( I am not an expert though)
[21:22] <n1md4> erm - i've screwed a mythbuntu boot process.  I've sda with the install on it, sdb with a windows install, and sdc as a new raid1 half (the other will later be sda).  I've got stuff on sdc, but it shouldnt' be doing anything.  Anyway, every time i boot now, it asks if I want to activate md raid, regardless of what I reply it drops me to busybox .... ideas?
[21:23] <n1md4> vnc won't extend screens, it'll only allow remote hosts to attach to it (afaik)
[21:23] <Azelphur> zleap: well in theory they'd both be local and you'd just vnc into it?
[21:23] <Azelphur> I know you can do totally separate X screens too, the joining of the displays makes it hard
[21:24] <n1md4> http://superuser.com/questions/305725/linux-use-vnc-to-create-a-second-screen
[21:24] <n1md4> http://askubuntu.com/questions/65928/adding-a-virtual-screen-to-xorg-conf-11-04-third-display-over-vnc
[21:24] <n1md4> in case you've not seen those ...
[21:24] <n1md4> Gonna have to try that at work tomorrow :D !!
[21:26] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:26] <Azelphur> I think the xdmx thing is the only thing that might work
[21:26] <Azelphur> but modifying stuff to set up like that by default will be difficult
[21:26] <Azelphur> and enabling the second screen on the fly