[00:37] <RAOF> Boo. system-config-printer requires the user to be in the lpadmin group, or it pops up an *entirely* unhelpful login dialog.
[00:41] <jbicha> RAOF: and normal users aren't in that group by default, right?
[00:41] <RAOF> Correct.
[00:41] <RAOF> So, by default, no one on a freshly installed Ubuntu system will be able to add a printer.
[00:41] <jbicha> yeah, that's a nasty bug that we've had for a while
[00:41] <jbicha> the first user is special though, isn't it?
[00:41] <RAOF> No.
[00:42] <jbicha> oh maybe I'm confused by a different bug then
[00:42] <RAOF> Got a bug reference? Or shall I file one.
[00:44] <jbicha> maybe I was thinking of bug 653132
[00:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653132 in system-config-printer ""Add Printer" dialog requests root password if user is not in Configure Printers group" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653132
[03:23] <robru> Anybody else blown away by the quality of LibreOffice? I'd been avoiding trying it for *so long* because I had such a poor opinion of OpenOffice, but I'm just trying it now for the first time and it's just so sexy!
[05:39] <topyli> robru: it has improved hugely. i had to create some slides for a presentation and thus forced to use it. i've always thought openoffice was a bit meh. but these days, it's actually pretty nice. also, its RAM footprint is *way* smaller than it used to be
[05:50] <robru> topyli: yeah! I'd been using Abiword all this time just for the smaller RAM footprint, but lately I've been having lots of problems with AbiWord generally rendering things wrong, screwing up formatting, and now crashing... so I gave LibreOffice a try and I'm quite impressive.
[05:51] <topyli> robru: yes i don't know why but abiword is a rare example of things actually getting worse rather than better
[05:52] <robru> glad I'm not the only one suffering. But now that LibreOffice is so much better I guess it doesn't matter. Have you used the spreadsheet much? Does it compare to Gnumeric? (I've only used Gnumeric and I've never had a single problem with it)
[05:53] <topyli> i don't use spreadsheet stuff enough to compare, but from what i hear gnumeric is still king
[05:53] <robru> ahhh
[05:58] <robru> topyli, g'night! I'm off to bed at the moment ;-)
[05:58] <topyli> for writing i usually use lyx. i only really use libreoffice for presentations when i have to make one
[05:58] <topyli> robru: sweet dreams :)
[08:01] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:03] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:07] <BigWhale> Greetings everyone.
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[08:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, good, how are you?
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks
[08:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is tb supposed to use network-manager?
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> seb128, what for? offline detection?
[08:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yes
[08:41] <chrisccoulson> it can do, but i disabled it a little while ago because it was really unreliable
[08:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, tb has been a disaster for me while travelling to GUADEC, Didier said it was the same for him
[08:41] <chrisccoulson> ah, perhaps i should fix that ;)
[08:41] <mitya57> seb128 or someone: can you please change bug 1030335 status back to triaged?
[08:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1030335 in libsecret "[MIR] libsecret" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1030335
[08:42] <mitya57> I wanted to close #1018630 instead
[08:45] <seb128> mitya57, done
[08:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson, issues include:
[08:45] <seb128> - it didn't notice it was offline
[08:45] <seb128> which has some side effect
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'd definitely expect that :)
[08:45] <mitya57> thanks
[08:45] <seb128> - it tries to send email rather than do "send later"
[08:45] <seb128> it fails to safe drafts
[08:46] <seb128> since it tries to store them on the imap
[08:46] <seb128> which is not available
[08:46] <seb128> - it keeps spinning and use power for nothing
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128, want to report a bug?
[08:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, sure, I wanted to check if that was a known issue first
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i'm aware of it. i turned off the NM integration a few months back because of another issue where it always started offline
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> (both for firefox and tbird)
[08:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I also had a weird issue that when coming back online it failed to store the messages to the "sent" box, I retried like 5 times and hit cancel at the end
[08:50] <jpds> Can someone take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1031034 ? And give their opinion?
[08:50] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1031034 in gnome-settings-daemon "Breaks with smart card auth with pkcs11" [Undecided,New]
[08:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/1031261
[08:51] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1031261 in thunderbird "offline detection doesn't work" [Undecided,New]
[08:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, was n-m integration working in tb 11?
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> seb128, thanks. no, that's not been working for a while (more than a year)
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> heh, you didn't use apport. i guess i'll let you off for that ;)
[08:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, so not a regression from the LTS at lts
[08:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, lol
[09:11] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey, libexttextcat ... is 3.3.1 an unstable version? do we want to track that for quantalo or stay on 3.2?
[09:43] <Sweetshark> seb128: me checks ...
[09:45] <Sweetshark> seb128: 3.3.1 is what libreoffice upstream ships 3.6 with, so I would consider it stable ...
[09:45] <Sweetshark> seb128: btw I might be not too responsive in the afternoon: doctors appointment.
[09:50] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok
[10:57] <seb128> Sweetshark, so we can sync the new libexttextcat from Debian? or do you want to test libreoffice built with the new version first?
[11:03] <thumper> hi seb128
[11:04] <seb128> thumper, hey, how are you?
[11:04] <thumper> seb128: who maintains the gpu blacklist for unity support?
[11:04] <thumper> seb128: mostly ok :)
[11:04] <seb128> thumper, when you see Neil please remind him we need unity fixed for the new dbus
[11:04] <thumper> seb128: trying to work out what our minimum supported gpus
[11:04] <thumper> seb128: I noticed the other day that my other machine was blacklisted when in fact it works fine
[11:05] <thumper> seb128: does neil know about it?
[11:05] <seb128> thumper, it's hardcoded in nux code, so your team
[11:05] <thumper> seb128: I got told it is managed by distro
[11:05]  * thumper is confused
[11:05] <seb128> thumper, yeah, he told me he would have a look thursday, then friday, then during the w.e
[11:06] <seb128> thumper, what card do you have?
[11:07] <thumper> seb128: it is my sony vaio sz2xp back at home
[11:07] <thumper> seb128: jason asks "are you ok if we remove things from that list?"
[11:07] <seb128> thumper, sure
[11:07] <thumper> seb128: one of those first intel/nvida dual ones
[11:08] <seb128> thumper, I would suggest you open a bug with the id of your card
[11:10] <thumper> hmm...
[11:10] <thumper> ok
[11:15] <seb128> re
[11:15] <seb128> thumper, sorry, GUADEC wifi fails
[11:16] <seb128> thumper, not sure what went through, but open a bug with your card ID, and maybe look at the nux logs to see why it was on the list
[11:16] <thumper> seb128: np
[11:16] <thumper> seb128: I'll chase with jay et al about blacklist review
[11:16] <seb128> ok
[13:03] <seb128> Sweetshark, still around?
[13:55] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[13:55] <cyphermox> seb128: hey
[13:55] <seb128> cyphermox, how are you?
[13:55] <cyphermox> bad
[13:55] <seb128> oh :-(
[13:56] <cyphermox> I screwed up my NM upload yesterday
[13:56] <seb128> utch
[13:56] <cyphermox> fix is building on all arches now
[13:56] <seb128> ok, great
[13:56] <cyphermox> it's not *terrible*, but there's at least one true failure case, and I don't know why the failover dns stuff didn't kick in
[13:57] <seb128> cyphermox, I just wanted to point that I assigned you bug #1030463, but no hurry for it, it's just that obexd will need to be updated to build with the current eds
[13:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1030463 in obexd "Update to 0.47" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1030463
[13:57] <seb128> could be a mterry (+1) thing as well for today :p
[13:57] <cyphermox> ah, right. saw it
[13:57]  * mterry looks up
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> heh, eds, :(
[13:58] <cyphermox> I can do it; should be a few minutes
[14:31] <jcastro> pitti: you didn't mention it in your blog, did bastien's team win in football?
[14:41] <sabdfl> hiya
[14:41] <sabdfl> oww
[14:43] <cyphermox> seb128: obexd still ftbfs because of libebook :(  I'll start porting it
[14:44] <jbicha> seb128: hi, is https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-session/ubuntu/revision/250 ok?
[14:44] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[14:45] <seb128> jbicha, why I'm not included on those GNOME iso emails ;-)
[14:45] <jbicha> haha
[14:45] <seb128> jbicha, robert_ancell forwarded me that earlier
[14:46] <jbicha> it's not ready for everybody yet but I'll keep you in the loop in the future :)
[14:47] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[14:47] <jbicha> I think GNOME may not like our preferred naming choices because of trademark & similar concerns
[14:47] <seb128> jbicha, so I don't understand why you need that patch
[14:48] <seb128> jbicha, can't you just change the default session in the CD build?
[14:48] <jbicha> seb128: how do I do that? and it needs to work by default after install too
[14:49] <seb128> jbicha, not sure, ask the lubuntu,xubuntu,kubuntu guys
[14:49] <seb128> or ask on #ubuntu-devel
[14:49] <jbicha> ok
[14:49] <pitti> jcastro: I don't actually know, I'm afraid -- we were practicing in the last 10 or so minutes of the game
[14:52] <jbicha> I don't believe lubuntu or xubuntu use gnome-session
[14:56] <seb128> jbicha, hum, but the issue there is to have lightdm pick the right session and they use lightdm
[15:00] <Sweetshark> re
[15:00] <Sweetshark> seb128: pong
[15:00] <kenvandine> seb128, binNEW too please :)
[15:02] <jbicha> robert_ancell: what do you think about the gnome-session patch? is this fixable in lightdm?
[15:04] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I'm not sure of the reasoning for the patch - it just adds a fallback session right? We should just set the default to gnome for the image
[15:04] <robert_ancell> Fallbacks are dangerous - we don't want to put the user into the wrong session because their normal session is broken for some reason
[15:05] <jbicha> ok, how do we set the default to gnome for the live session & the installed session?
[15:07] <jbicha> maybe split the ubuntu.session's to a separate package that has a circular dependency on unity?
[15:08] <jbicha> that's what we do with gnome-session-fallback
[15:12] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I think other systems use /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults to set the session, but didrocks knows better than me
[15:20] <seb128> kenvandine, k
[15:21] <seb128> Sweetshark, did you reply to my "should we sync  libexttextcat" question earlier?
[15:21] <kenvandine> seb128, thx
[15:23] <Sweetshark> seb128: yes
[15:23] <seb128> Sweetshark, yes you replied or yes we can sync it? ;-) (did you want to test building libreoffice with it first?)
[15:23] <Sweetshark> seb128: 3.3.1 is the default shipped with LO 3.6.x, so it should be reasonably stable.
[15:24] <Sweetshark> seb128: yes, replied. yes, syncing is fine. ;)
[15:24] <seb128> Sweetshark, excellent, thanks
[15:24] <seb128> Sweetshark, second question ... how is the lo-menubar work going?
[15:25] <Sweetshark> seb128: see http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?h=feature/unitymenus ... I havent tested it yet.
[15:32] <seb128> jbicha, robert_ancell: seems like you should just have a gnome-iso-settings package which set it, like xubuntu-default-settings do it
[15:32] <seb128> they do:      /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --keep-old --session=xubuntu || true
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> awesome, i'm upgrading my internet connection at home :)
[15:44] <jibel> cyphermox, n-m update fiexd the problem, thanks!
[15:44] <cyphermox> jibel: awesome, thanks. and sorry for the trouble
[15:45] <jibel> cyphermox, now there is still to understand why it fails over correctly on my machine and not on pete's.
[15:46] <cyphermox> jibel: I think he might have the 'dnsmasq' package installed; that would explain it
[15:46] <cyphermox> see if there are extra files in /run/resolvconf/interfaces than NetworkManager
[15:46] <cyphermox> and how many dnsmasq instances are running
[15:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, from what speed to what?
[15:54] <seb128> didrocks, chrisccoulson, Sweetshark, bryceh, cyphermox, mlankhorst, pitti, Laney, tkamppeter, mterry, kenvandine: desktop team meeting time missed by 25 minutes
[15:54] <seb128> did you have any topic?
[15:54] <mlankhorst> new record :)
[15:54] <jbicha> haha
[15:54] <pitti> seb128: c'mon, half of us is here!
[15:54]  * pitti pokes seb128 in the side
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> seb128, from around ~10Mbps to hopefully over 70Mbps ;)
[15:54] <seb128> pitti, too far
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> (with a 20Mbps uplink)
[15:54] <seb128> chrisccoulson, waouh
[15:55] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, sweet~
[15:56] <mterry> hi
[15:56] <seb128> mterry, howdy
[22:21] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: I pretty much have the same speed down, but I envy your upload speed.
[23:05] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso only you and me today for the meeting. any agenda items ? :)
[23:05] <mlankhorst> where's raof then?
[23:07] <TheMuso> Nope.
[23:08] <TheMuso> ...but I do have to voice my surprise at only a 4 day UDS. That almost makes it not worth traveling so far.
[23:08] <jasoncwarner_> when we get it down to a three day event, we'll make sure it is in AU or NZ so everyone knows what we go through ;)
[23:08] <TheMuso> heh
[23:09] <TheMuso> DOn't you mean if?
[23:10] <jasoncwarner_> sure...."if" ;). I'm going to push for a super long 1 day UDS. 24 hour marathon UDS. Drinks start at hour 18. those last couple of hours should not be used for heavy lifting sessions ;)
[23:13] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso, yeah, i hope i actually do get close to that upload speed :)
[23:13] <TheMuso> lol
[23:13] <chrisccoulson> hi jasoncwarner_, how are you?
[23:14] <jasoncwarner_> hey chrisccoulson good, thanks! you? you guys getting sleep?
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> jasoncwarner_, yeah, a little bit ;)