| === zmoylan1 is now known as zmoylan | ||
| airurando | evening | 19:15 |
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| airurando | quiet in here tonight as it is most nights | 20:50 |
| zmoylan | tis | 20:50 |
| zmoylan | but i'm usually around if you shout out | 20:50 |
| czajkowski | SHOUT | 20:51 |
| czajkowski | :) | 20:51 |
| zmoylan | YES? hi :-) | 20:51 |
| airurando | how is everyone? | 20:52 |
| czajkowski | good thanks | 20:52 |
| czajkowski | just in from dinner | 20:52 |
| czajkowski | stuffed | 20:52 |
| czajkowski | one last week of work then on my holidays! | 20:52 |
| zmoylan | insomnia is natures way of saying sleep is for losers | 20:52 |
| zmoylan | holidays followed by 2 weeks catching up with email afterwards? :-) | 20:53 |
| airurando | zmoylan I sent an unanswered evening greeting out at 20:15 (you were absent at the time) | 20:53 |
| airurando | czajkowski howdy | 20:53 |
| zmoylan | had a friend around dropping off latest movies via sneakernet | 20:53 |
| czajkowski | zmoylan: don't joke | 20:54 |
| airurando | czajkowski heading anywhere nice for the hols? | 20:55 |
| czajkowski | Dorset | 20:55 |
| czajkowski | we have a cottage down ther to go to | 20:55 |
| czajkowski | and heading down on SUnday for a week | 20:55 |
| zmoylan | hope the weather is nice for you | 20:55 |
| airurando | seconded | 20:55 |
| czajkowski | aye anf if' it's not | 20:58 |
| czajkowski | I have books to read | 20:58 |
| czajkowski | and places to see | 20:58 |
| czajkowski | we have a car rented for the eek | 20:58 |
| czajkowski | *week | 20:58 |
| zmoylan | for the eek you say :-D | 20:58 |
| czajkowski | :p | 20:58 |
| airurando | have a great time | 20:59 |
| zmoylan | so electronic book reader or good old paper copies? | 20:59 |
| czajkowski | paper | 20:59 |
| * airurando is a fan of kindle on hols | 21:00 | |
| zmoylan | i just store everything on my phone. and 7" tablet | 21:00 |
| mokmeister | hello everyone | 21:00 |
| mokmeister | ah no, you have to bring a proper book on holidays! | 21:00 |
| airurando | hi mokmeister | 21:00 |
| zmoylan | and use it to squash flies? | 21:01 |
| mokmeister | lol! | 21:01 |
| mokmeister | You use the newspapers for that! | 21:01 |
| airurando | was in majorca on hols in june (first time on a sun hol in 5 yrs) | 21:02 |
| airurando | had books for all the family on the kindle | 21:02 |
| airurando | it was hardly ever turned off! | 21:02 |
| zmoylan | i do love a good eink reader | 21:02 |
| mokmeister | I was listening to Newstalk today, and they had a really interesting guy on from History Ireland. I stopped in a Centra to get a cup of tea and a donut and check out and see if they had History Ireland on their shelves. | 21:03 |
| mokmeister | Not only did they not have that, they had no magazine section whatsoever! | 21:03 |
| mokmeister | All they had was a small plastic shelf with a few of today's papers, and that was it | 21:04 |
| mokmeister | I thought it was a reall sign of the times, and how print media is going. | 21:04 |
| zmoylan | magazine section in shops has died. mostly gossip and fashion mags left. computer section is all but gone. only the larger shops have any others. | 21:04 |
| mokmeister | Or maybe I'm just making too much out of it | 21:04 |
| mokmeister | Yeah, decent computer sections are hard to find these days | 21:05 |
| zmoylan | i do like to have a readers digest (a pale imitation of the version they had pre 80s) for when i'm going to be stuck somewhere or travelling | 21:05 |
| mokmeister | It's hard to beat the convenience of ereaders, but it's harder to beat the feel of a good book. | 21:07 |
| mokmeister | Even though I think I'm becoming very last generation or something! | 21:14 |
| zmoylan | there's something very tactile about a good library. the smell and touch of a 1000 books. | 21:14 |
| airurando | zmoylan: you can never take away from the old school. but e-readers soooo have a role to play also | 21:16 |
| mokmeister | I was in work this evening doing some out of hours testing and chatting with a twenty something work colleague, and he was going on about smart tvs and youtube etc. and I just don't get it really! | 21:16 |
| mokmeister | Youtube is a great resource and all, but...... | 21:16 |
| airurando | mokmeister you and me both but progress is progress | 21:17 |
| mokmeister | There is a lot to be said for libraries, it gives you a special feeling I find. | 21:17 |
| airurando | remember a time before ATMs? | 21:17 |
| zmoylan | i love ereaders but it's still easier to navigate a paper copy. i have rpg gaming books in pdf format. takes ages to flip to a certain page compared to paper copy | 21:17 |
| mokmeister | lol! | 21:17 |
| airurando | agreed but..... | 21:18 |
| zmoylan | earliest atms used a kind of cheque to get money from it. | 21:18 |
| mokmeister | zmoylan rpg gaming books? What type? | 21:18 |
| airurando | first ones in Ireland were BofI pass machines I think | 21:18 |
| zmoylan | ad&d mostly. pdf format. 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0 | 21:19 |
| mokmeister | Have CoC , Cyberpunk, Cyberspace, Paranoia, MERP etc. all up in the attic. I like to flick through them from time to time, for old time's sake. | 21:22 |
| zmoylan | was gaming on the weekend. good fun twice a month for a few hours. | 21:22 |
| zmoylan | used to be 2-3 times a week but still not the may west. | 21:23 |
| mokmeister | AD&D is it? | 21:24 |
| airurando | zmoylan: you are big into comp games | 21:24 |
| zmoylan | lots of dice and pencils. and lately nerf guns. | 21:24 |
| airurando | nice to see chat in the ubuntu-ie channel | 21:24 |
| * airurando wonders about the future for Ubuntu Ireland | 21:25 | |
| zmoylan | instead of arguing over rules these days we just shoot the person with silliest comments with nerf guns. really speeds things up. | 21:25 |
| mokmeister | hahaha! Nice one! | 21:26 |
| mokmeister | It is good to see a bit of chat. | 21:26 |
| zmoylan | started off with small pistols. but now 1-2 folk have semiautomatic nerf rifles. bit of an arms race developing. | 21:26 |
| mokmeister | I'm sure Ubuntu Ireland will carry on as long as there are people prepared to stay involved | 21:26 |
| mokmeister | The problem with the semi autos is you go throught the ammo too quickly. | 21:28 |
| mokmeister | Leave yourself open to counter attack! ;) | 21:28 |
| zmoylan | ubuntu ireland is going nowhere. with uefi ubuntu may become more important | 21:28 |
| mokmeister | zmoylan: Where does it need to go though? Once there is a community of users loosely involved with Ubuntu, is that enough? | 21:35 |
| mokmeister | I'm asking the question more to provoke debate than anything | 21:36 |
| mokmeister | Why also would uefi make Ubuntu important? | 21:36 |
| mokmeister | Because of the key signing idea? | 21:36 |
| zmoylan | i think the ubuntu community just need to turn up to general linux potd meetings to keep going. one on thursday evening i think | 21:36 |
| zmoylan | uefi is the greatest threat to linux right now. means that old discarded pcs from now on may not run linux. most linux systems i see are running on discarded windows pcs. | 21:37 |
| mokmeister | Pint of the Day is it? ;) | 21:38 |
| mokmeister | uefi is a problem alright | 21:38 |
| zmoylan | it's only purpose is to eliminate linux. it won't stop trojans or viruses after about 18 months. | 21:39 |
| mokmeister | But I think ensuring that uefi *can* be disabled is a point to start with | 21:39 |
| zmoylan | not easily disabled by new linux users. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4317586 | 21:40 |
| mokmeister | It does seem to go against everything that a PC stands for. | 21:41 |
| zmoylan | if it ain't open it ain't a pc | 21:41 |
| mokmeister | Makes it into more of an appliance | 21:41 |
| zmoylan | i wonder if there will be a monopoly problem in the eu with this | 21:42 |
| airurando | above my head l | 21:42 |
| airurando | nn | 21:42 |
| zmoylan | cya | 21:42 |
| mokmeister | There could very well be a monopoly problem in the EU | 21:53 |
| zmoylan | but it'll be the manufacturers and not ms facing the fine. | 21:54 |
| mokmeister | There is a very real monopoly problem in reality anyway! | 21:54 |
| mokmeister | weeeelllll, if the manufacturers are being strong armed into enforcing uefi..... | 21:54 |
| zmoylan | so far the eu is the only one who has made ms behave. and they undid the browser choice in a service pack by accident. | 21:54 |
| mokmeister | lol, I liked the way they bowed the knee on that one very quickly, once they'd been found out! | 21:55 |
| zmoylan | manufacturers will take the cheapest option so that means no turning off uefi or needing to flash the bios like in the hackernews comment above | 21:55 |
| zmoylan | well the eu hurts them where it hurts most. not a piddly fine. a massive microsoft saying ouch fine. | 21:56 |
| mokmeister | hehehe, indeed | 21:57 |
| mokmeister | anything that hurts shareholder value is not appreciated. | 21:57 |
| zmoylan | it always amazes me then the american commentators saying it's the eu punishing american companies | 21:57 |
| zmoylan | when the eu does the same to eu companies | 21:57 |
| mokmeister | Well, anything that stands in the way of corporate America is an assault on American freedom, or so some Americans would have you believe. The corporate types! ;) | 21:59 |
| mokmeister | Anyway, I must hit the hay, up early in the morning and all that, talk to you later. | 21:59 |
| zmoylan | take care | 22:00 |
| mokmeister | you too. | 22:00 |
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