=== zmoylan1 is now known as zmoylan [19:15] evening [20:50] quiet in here tonight as it is most nights [20:50] tis [20:50] but i'm usually around if you shout out [20:51] SHOUT [20:51] :) [20:51] YES? hi :-) [20:52] how is everyone? [20:52] good thanks [20:52] just in from dinner [20:52] stuffed [20:52] one last week of work then on my holidays! [20:52] insomnia is natures way of saying sleep is for losers [20:53] holidays followed by 2 weeks catching up with email afterwards? :-) [20:53] zmoylan I sent an unanswered evening greeting out at 20:15 (you were absent at the time) [20:53] czajkowski howdy [20:53] had a friend around dropping off latest movies via sneakernet [20:54] zmoylan: don't joke [20:55] czajkowski heading anywhere nice for the hols? [20:55] Dorset [20:55] we have a cottage down ther to go to [20:55] and heading down on SUnday for a week [20:55] hope the weather is nice for you [20:55] seconded [20:58] aye anf if' it's not [20:58] I have books to read [20:58] and places to see [20:58] we have a car rented for the eek [20:58] *week [20:58] for the eek you say :-D [20:58] :p [20:59] have a great time [20:59] so electronic book reader or good old paper copies? [20:59] paper [21:00] * airurando is a fan of kindle on hols [21:00] i just store everything on my phone. and 7" tablet [21:00] hello everyone [21:00] ah no, you have to bring a proper book on holidays! [21:00] hi mokmeister [21:01] and use it to squash flies? [21:01] lol! [21:01] You use the newspapers for that! [21:02] was in majorca on hols in june (first time on a sun hol in 5 yrs) [21:02] had books for all the family on the kindle [21:02] it was hardly ever turned off! [21:02] i do love a good eink reader [21:03] I was listening to Newstalk today, and they had a really interesting guy on from History Ireland. I stopped in a Centra to get a cup of tea and a donut and check out and see if they had History Ireland on their shelves. [21:03] Not only did they not have that, they had no magazine section whatsoever! [21:04] All they had was a small plastic shelf with a few of today's papers, and that was it [21:04] I thought it was a reall sign of the times, and how print media is going. [21:04] magazine section in shops has died. mostly gossip and fashion mags left. computer section is all but gone. only the larger shops have any others. [21:04] Or maybe I'm just making too much out of it [21:05] Yeah, decent computer sections are hard to find these days [21:05] i do like to have a readers digest (a pale imitation of the version they had pre 80s) for when i'm going to be stuck somewhere or travelling [21:07] It's hard to beat the convenience of ereaders, but it's harder to beat the feel of a good book. [21:14] Even though I think I'm becoming very last generation or something! [21:14] there's something very tactile about a good library. the smell and touch of a 1000 books. [21:16] zmoylan: you can never take away from the old school. but e-readers soooo have a role to play also [21:16] I was in work this evening doing some out of hours testing and chatting with a twenty something work colleague, and he was going on about smart tvs and youtube etc. and I just don't get it really! [21:16] Youtube is a great resource and all, but...... [21:17] mokmeister you and me both but progress is progress [21:17] There is a lot to be said for libraries, it gives you a special feeling I find. [21:17] remember a time before ATMs? [21:17] i love ereaders but it's still easier to navigate a paper copy. i have rpg gaming books in pdf format. takes ages to flip to a certain page compared to paper copy [21:17] lol! [21:18] agreed but..... [21:18] earliest atms used a kind of cheque to get money from it. [21:18] zmoylan rpg gaming books? What type? [21:18] first ones in Ireland were BofI pass machines I think [21:19] ad&d mostly. pdf format. 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0 [21:22] Have CoC , Cyberpunk, Cyberspace, Paranoia, MERP etc. all up in the attic. I like to flick through them from time to time, for old time's sake. [21:22] was gaming on the weekend. good fun twice a month for a few hours. [21:23] used to be 2-3 times a week but still not the may west. [21:24] AD&D is it? [21:24] zmoylan: you are big into comp games [21:24] lots of dice and pencils. and lately nerf guns. [21:24] nice to see chat in the ubuntu-ie channel [21:25] * airurando wonders about the future for Ubuntu Ireland [21:25] instead of arguing over rules these days we just shoot the person with silliest comments with nerf guns. really speeds things up. [21:26] hahaha! Nice one! [21:26] It is good to see a bit of chat. [21:26] started off with small pistols. but now 1-2 folk have semiautomatic nerf rifles. bit of an arms race developing. [21:26] I'm sure Ubuntu Ireland will carry on as long as there are people prepared to stay involved [21:28] The problem with the semi autos is you go throught the ammo too quickly. [21:28] Leave yourself open to counter attack! ;) [21:28] ubuntu ireland is going nowhere. with uefi ubuntu may become more important [21:35] zmoylan: Where does it need to go though? Once there is a community of users loosely involved with Ubuntu, is that enough? [21:36] I'm asking the question more to provoke debate than anything [21:36] Why also would uefi make Ubuntu important? [21:36] Because of the key signing idea? [21:36] i think the ubuntu community just need to turn up to general linux potd meetings to keep going. one on thursday evening i think [21:37] uefi is the greatest threat to linux right now. means that old discarded pcs from now on may not run linux. most linux systems i see are running on discarded windows pcs. [21:38] Pint of the Day is it? ;) [21:38] uefi is a problem alright [21:39] it's only purpose is to eliminate linux. it won't stop trojans or viruses after about 18 months. [21:39] But I think ensuring that uefi *can* be disabled is a point to start with [21:40] not easily disabled by new linux users. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4317586 [21:41] It does seem to go against everything that a PC stands for. [21:41] if it ain't open it ain't a pc [21:41] Makes it into more of an appliance [21:42] i wonder if there will be a monopoly problem in the eu with this [21:42] above my head l [21:42] nn [21:42] cya [21:53] There could very well be a monopoly problem in the EU [21:54] but it'll be the manufacturers and not ms facing the fine. [21:54] There is a very real monopoly problem in reality anyway! [21:54] weeeelllll, if the manufacturers are being strong armed into enforcing uefi..... [21:54] so far the eu is the only one who has made ms behave. and they undid the browser choice in a service pack by accident. [21:55] lol, I liked the way they bowed the knee on that one very quickly, once they'd been found out! [21:55] manufacturers will take the cheapest option so that means no turning off uefi or needing to flash the bios like in the hackernews comment above [21:56] well the eu hurts them where it hurts most. not a piddly fine. a massive microsoft saying ouch fine. [21:57] hehehe, indeed [21:57] anything that hurts shareholder value is not appreciated. [21:57] it always amazes me then the american commentators saying it's the eu punishing american companies [21:57] when the eu does the same to eu companies [21:59] Well, anything that stands in the way of corporate America is an assault on American freedom, or so some Americans would have you believe. The corporate types! ;) [21:59] Anyway, I must hit the hay, up early in the morning and all that, talk to you later. [22:00] take care [22:00] you too.