[19:15] <airurando> evening
[20:50] <airurando> quiet in here tonight as it is most nights
[20:50] <zmoylan> tis
[20:50] <zmoylan> but i'm usually around if you shout out
[20:51] <czajkowski> SHOUT
[20:51] <czajkowski> :)
[20:51] <zmoylan> YES?  hi :-)
[20:52] <airurando> how is everyone?
[20:52] <czajkowski> good thanks
[20:52] <czajkowski> just in from dinner
[20:52] <czajkowski> stuffed
[20:52] <czajkowski> one last week of work then on my holidays!
[20:52] <zmoylan> insomnia is natures way of saying sleep is for losers
[20:53] <zmoylan> holidays followed by 2 weeks catching up with email afterwards? :-)
[20:53] <airurando> zmoylan I sent an unanswered evening greeting out at 20:15 (you were absent at the time)
[20:53] <airurando> czajkowski howdy
[20:53] <zmoylan> had a friend around dropping off latest movies via sneakernet
[20:54] <czajkowski> zmoylan: don't joke
[20:55] <airurando> czajkowski heading anywhere nice for the hols?
[20:55] <czajkowski> Dorset
[20:55] <czajkowski> we have a cottage down ther to go to
[20:55] <czajkowski> and heading down on SUnday for a week
[20:55] <zmoylan> hope the weather is nice for you
[20:55] <airurando> seconded
[20:58] <czajkowski> aye anf if' it's not
[20:58] <czajkowski> I have books to read
[20:58] <czajkowski> and places to see
[20:58] <czajkowski> we have a car rented for the eek
[20:58] <czajkowski> *week
[20:58] <zmoylan> for the eek you say :-D
[20:58] <czajkowski> :p
[20:59] <airurando> have a great time
[20:59] <zmoylan> so electronic book reader or good old paper copies?
[20:59] <czajkowski> paper
[21:00]  * airurando is a fan of kindle on hols
[21:00] <zmoylan> i just store everything on my phone.  and 7" tablet
[21:00] <mokmeister> hello everyone
[21:00] <mokmeister> ah no, you have to bring a proper book on holidays!
[21:00] <airurando> hi mokmeister
[21:01] <zmoylan> and use it to squash flies?
[21:01] <mokmeister> lol!
[21:01] <mokmeister> You use the newspapers for that!
[21:02] <airurando> was in majorca on hols in june (first time on a sun hol in 5 yrs)
[21:02] <airurando> had books for all the family on the kindle
[21:02] <airurando> it was hardly ever turned off!
[21:02] <zmoylan> i do love a good eink reader
[21:03] <mokmeister> I was listening to Newstalk today, and they had a really interesting guy on from History Ireland. I stopped in a Centra to get a cup of tea and a donut and check out and see if they had History  Ireland on their shelves.
[21:03] <mokmeister> Not only did they not have that, they had no magazine section whatsoever!
[21:04] <mokmeister> All they had was a small plastic shelf with a few of today's papers, and that was it
[21:04] <mokmeister> I thought it was a reall sign of the times, and how print media is going.
[21:04] <zmoylan> magazine section in shops has died.  mostly gossip and fashion mags left.  computer section is all but gone.  only the larger shops have any others.
[21:04] <mokmeister> Or maybe I'm just making too much out of it
[21:05] <mokmeister> Yeah, decent computer sections are hard to find these days
[21:05] <zmoylan> i do like to have a readers digest (a pale imitation of the version they had pre 80s) for when i'm going to be stuck somewhere or travelling
[21:07] <mokmeister> It's hard to beat the convenience of ereaders, but it's harder to beat the feel of a good book.
[21:14] <mokmeister> Even though I think I'm becoming very last generation or something!
[21:14] <zmoylan> there's something very tactile about a good library.  the smell and touch of a 1000 books.
[21:16] <airurando> zmoylan: you can never take away from the old school.  but e-readers soooo have a role to play also
[21:16] <mokmeister> I was in work this evening doing some out of hours testing and chatting with a twenty something work colleague, and he was going on about smart tvs and youtube etc. and I just don't get it really!
[21:16] <mokmeister> Youtube is a great resource and all, but......
[21:17] <airurando> mokmeister you and me both but progress is progress
[21:17] <mokmeister> There is a lot to be said for libraries, it gives you a special feeling I find.
[21:17] <airurando> remember a time before ATMs?
[21:17] <zmoylan> i love ereaders but it's still easier to navigate a paper copy.  i have rpg gaming books in pdf format.  takes ages to flip to a certain page compared to paper copy
[21:17] <mokmeister> lol!
[21:18] <airurando> agreed but.....
[21:18] <zmoylan> earliest atms used a kind of cheque to get money from it.
[21:18] <mokmeister> zmoylan rpg gaming books? What type?
[21:18] <airurando> first ones in Ireland were BofI pass machines I think
[21:19] <zmoylan> ad&d mostly. pdf format.  3.0, 3.5 and 4.0
[21:22] <mokmeister> Have CoC , Cyberpunk, Cyberspace, Paranoia, MERP etc. all up in the attic. I like to flick through them from time to time, for old time's sake.
[21:22] <zmoylan> was gaming on the weekend.  good fun twice a month for a few hours.
[21:23] <zmoylan> used to be 2-3 times a week but still not the may west.
[21:24] <mokmeister> AD&D is it?
[21:24] <airurando> zmoylan: you are big into comp games
[21:24] <zmoylan> lots of dice and pencils.  and lately nerf guns.
[21:24] <airurando> nice to see chat in the ubuntu-ie channel
[21:25]  * airurando wonders about the future for Ubuntu Ireland
[21:25] <zmoylan> instead of arguing over rules these days we just shoot the person with silliest comments with nerf guns.  really speeds things up.
[21:26] <mokmeister> hahaha! Nice one!
[21:26] <mokmeister> It is good to see a bit of chat.
[21:26] <zmoylan> started off with small pistols.  but now 1-2 folk have semiautomatic nerf rifles.  bit of an arms race developing.
[21:26] <mokmeister> I'm sure Ubuntu Ireland will carry on as long as there are people prepared to stay involved
[21:28] <mokmeister> The problem with the semi autos is you go throught the ammo too quickly.
[21:28] <mokmeister> Leave yourself open to counter attack! ;)
[21:28] <zmoylan> ubuntu ireland is going nowhere.  with uefi ubuntu may become more important
[21:35] <mokmeister> zmoylan:  Where does it need to go though? Once there is a community of users loosely involved with Ubuntu, is that enough?
[21:36] <mokmeister> I'm asking the question more to provoke debate than anything
[21:36] <mokmeister> Why also would uefi make Ubuntu important?
[21:36] <mokmeister> Because of the key signing idea?
[21:36] <zmoylan> i think the ubuntu community just need to turn up to general linux potd meetings to keep going.  one on thursday evening i think
[21:37] <zmoylan> uefi is the greatest threat to linux right now.  means that old discarded pcs from now on may not run linux.  most linux systems i see are running on discarded windows pcs.
[21:38] <mokmeister> Pint of the Day is it? ;)
[21:38] <mokmeister> uefi is a problem alright
[21:39] <zmoylan> it's only purpose is to eliminate linux.  it won't stop trojans or viruses after about 18 months.
[21:39] <mokmeister> But I think ensuring that uefi *can* be disabled is a point to start with
[21:40] <zmoylan> not easily disabled by new linux users.  http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4317586
[21:41] <mokmeister> It does seem to go against everything that a PC stands for.
[21:41] <zmoylan> if it ain't open it ain't a pc
[21:41] <mokmeister> Makes it into more of an appliance
[21:42] <zmoylan> i wonder if there will be a monopoly problem in the eu with this
[21:42] <airurando> above my head l
[21:42] <airurando> nn
[21:42] <zmoylan> cya
[21:53] <mokmeister> There could very well be a monopoly problem in the EU
[21:54] <zmoylan> but it'll be the manufacturers and not ms facing the fine.
[21:54] <mokmeister> There is a very real monopoly problem in reality anyway!
[21:54] <mokmeister> weeeelllll, if the manufacturers are being strong armed into enforcing uefi.....
[21:54] <zmoylan> so far the eu is the only one who has made ms behave.  and they undid the browser choice in a service pack by accident.
[21:55] <mokmeister> lol, I liked the way they bowed the knee on that one very quickly, once they'd been found out!
[21:55] <zmoylan> manufacturers will take the cheapest option so that means no turning off uefi or needing to flash the bios like in the hackernews comment above
[21:56] <zmoylan> well the eu hurts them where it hurts most.  not a piddly fine.  a massive microsoft saying ouch fine.
[21:57] <mokmeister> hehehe, indeed
[21:57] <mokmeister> anything that hurts shareholder value is not appreciated.
[21:57] <zmoylan> it always amazes me then the american commentators saying it's the eu punishing american companies
[21:57] <zmoylan> when the eu does the same to eu companies
[21:59] <mokmeister> Well, anything that stands in the way of corporate America is an assault on American freedom, or so some Americans would have you believe. The corporate types! ;)
[21:59] <mokmeister> Anyway, I must hit the hay, up early in the morning and all that, talk to you later.
[22:00] <zmoylan> take care
[22:00] <mokmeister> you too.