[05:35]  * rhpot1991 waves at tgm4883
[05:36] <tgm4883> lol
[05:36] <rhpot1991> unban me before I get tired of trying and forget
[09:12] <n1md4> morining.  is there a way to install mythtv atop of software raid, through the installer?
[09:15] <SteveGoodey> n1md4: Can't help with that I'm afraid. How did you get on with the blue faces?
[09:17] <n1md4> Didn't get on it again over the weekend, and instead attempted a manual software raid migration; something I do at work very regularly, and now the blasted thing won't boot, and I'm terribly confused by it!
[09:18] <n1md4> SteveGoodey: I don't suppose you notice, it takes like 3-5 seconds to switch channels, have you experienced this before?
[09:18] <SteveGoodey> Is this Livetv?
[09:25] <n1md4> Yes, it is.
[09:27] <SteveGoodey> Livetv is not one of Mythttvs strong points. I believe it has to build a buffer before showing the channel. Mythtv is mainly for recording.
[09:28] <SteveGoodey> If all you're doing is Livetv you might want to consider something else.
[09:29] <n1md4> Right.  Not necessarily.  What are the alternatives?
[09:29] <n1md4> (out of interest{
[09:36] <SteveGoodey> Kaffeine? If you don't mind I'll leave you to do your own research on that.
[09:41] <SteveGoodey> As one of the devs said "if you want to run something other than MythTV--in truth, if you don't do much TV recording and/or only care to watch TV Live, MythTV probably isn't the best choice of media center"
[16:41] <n1md4> Hello.  Is there a way to install mythbuntu with software RAID?
[17:04] <Shadow__X> n1md4: do you mean install the os on a raid1 volume?
[17:52] <qwebirc49474> Is there a list of packages mythbuntu installs by default somewhere?...I've upgraded two mythbuntu installs to 12.04 and somehow pulse audio was installed both times
[19:01] <superm1> qwebirc49474: apt-cache depends mythbuntu-desktop will tell you
[19:01] <superm1> qwebirc49474: in terms of upgrade, that shouldn't be happening, did you come from 11.10?
[19:01] <qwebirc49474> ya...on both machines
[19:02] <superm1> qwebirc49474: can you try to file a bug against update manager?  'ubuntu-bug update-manager'
[19:02] <superm1> it should upload your upgrade logs to identify why this happened
[19:02] <qwebirc49474> sure
[19:02] <superm1> thanks
[19:03] <superm1> please subscribe mythbuntu-bugs to it too after it's filed
[19:03] <qwebirc49474> the first one looks like unity-greeter was still installed and the apt.log showed that it recommended pulseaudio
[19:04] <superm1> unity-greeter getting installed is definitely bad, that would pull in a lot of other stuff it shouldn't
[19:04] <qwebirc49474> that was left over from my upgrade to 11.10 from 11.04....I had forgotten to remove it on that box
[19:05] <superm1> oh this was not a clean 11.04 upgrade
[19:05] <superm1> er i mean 11.10->12.04
[19:05] <superm1> there are some things from 11.04->11.10 that we never fixed
[19:05] <superm1> that would cause that then
[19:05] <qwebirc49474> I do an upgrade every time....I have since 10.10 I think
[19:06] <superm1> ah too bad that happened then, sorry
[19:06] <qwebirc49474> I got things sorted out on my other box...just forgot on that one....
[19:06] <qwebirc49474> do I need a login on launchpad to file the report?
[19:07] <superm1> you would need one, but if this was caused from stuff from the 11.04->11.10 upgrade we probably won't be able to fix it at this point
[19:07] <superm1> so i would say don't worry about filing
[19:07] <qwebirc49474> I agree....with the unity-greeter one....but the box I was filing the report on installed pulseaudio because of gnome-bluetooth
[19:08] <qwebirc49474> I can trace it back to that in the apt.log file in the dist-upgrade folder
[19:08] <superm1> yeah we ended up dropping gnome-bluetooth in a later version
[19:08] <superm1> so that makes sense now
[19:08] <superm1> it doesn't remove stuff that has been dropped
[19:08] <qwebirc49474> I didn't have it installed (as far as I know) before I did the upgrade
[19:09] <qwebirc49474> are you saying that it probably was install on my system when it was 11.10?
[19:09] <superm1> probably
[19:10] <qwebirc49474> so I guess I was unlucky twice
[19:17] <qwebirc49474> superm1: so skip the bug report?
[20:21] <superm1> qwebirc49474: i would say so
[20:21] <superm1> going forward we are supporting only LTS -> LTS upgrades
[20:21] <superm1> well "supporting"
[20:22] <superm1> i mean we'll help with interim releases as they come, but stuff caused by old pre LTS releases is probably not going to be fixed
[20:52] <qwebirc49474> superm1: I've submitted the bug....thanks
[21:45] <n1md4> Shadow__X: Yes, from the installer.  I tried to do it manually, by dropping to a console and creating the md then back to the installer to install.  But insted of md partitions it was more like md block devices (that could then be further partitioned.  It was a bit weird.