[06:01] <inetpro> good morning
[06:45]  * Kilos greets ubuntu-za
[06:45] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:45]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[06:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:50] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[06:50] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[06:50] <Kilos> hi yusuf_ 
[07:17] <Kilos> morning maiatoday 
[07:17] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[07:32] <charlvn> goomorning
[07:32] <charlvn> *good morning
[07:33] <charlvn> hi Kilos, maiatoday 
[07:34] <maiatoday> hi charlvn
[07:34] <Kilos> yo charlvn 
[07:39] <Kilos> bbl
[09:44] <superfly> morning all
[09:48] <charlvn> morning superfly 
[09:48] <charlvn> how's it going
[09:49] <superfly> busy
[09:49] <superfly> taking a break right now
[09:55] <Kilos> hi superfly and whoever i missed this morning
[09:55] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:56] <superfly> Kilos: I wasn't around till about 10 minutes ago anyway
[09:56] <Kilos> hehe
[10:00] <Kilos> inetpro, you awake yet?
[10:27] <Kilos> hi drussell all good?
[10:27] <Kilos> we all maintain
[10:30] <drussell> Kilos: yup all good here, you?
[10:34] <Kilos> good ty
[11:04] <Kilos> hmmm...pc showed there are restricted drivers available. it is for the nvidia card. let it download and install and now cant switch workspaces. stuck on one desktop.
[11:04] <Kilos> any ideas please
[11:04] <Kilos> was nvidia 173
[11:05] <Kilos> havent even got a clue what to google for
[11:07] <Kilos> or is there a way to switch with keyboard?
[11:15] <Kilos> its like using winsucks
[11:15] <Kilos> grrr
[11:17] <superfly> Kilos: ctrl+f1?
[11:17] <superfly> ctrl+f2, etc
[11:17] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[11:18] <Kilos> aw dont work
[11:24] <magespawn> afternoon
[11:33] <superfly> hi magespawn
[11:33] <magespawn> hey superfly, what up/
[11:33] <magespawn> ?
[11:33] <superfly> nothing much
[11:33] <superfly> trying not to fall asleep
[11:34] <magespawn> and the family?
[11:34] <magespawn> shame on you, new baby keeping you giys up?
[11:34] <magespawn> giys/guys
[11:35] <superfly> family is mostly fine
[11:35] <superfly> jojo is actually a pretty good baby
[11:35] <superfly> having more issues with the monster than the baby
[11:38] <magespawn> the monster?
[11:41] <magespawn> the 1st born?
[11:41] <superfly> yes
[11:42] <superfly> the toddler
[11:43] <magespawn> big changes in the little ones life now too. make him? a part of it as much as possible.
[11:48] <superfly> magespawn: yep, doing that
[11:48] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[11:48] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[11:49] <magespawn> thats the best way to handle it I have found superfly
[11:49] <magespawn> superfly how do you stream SA radio stations in Ubuntu?
[11:50] <superfly> magespawn: I don't listen to much radio, but you should be able to use VLC if your default media player can't handle it
[11:50] <superfly> just copy the URL on the site
[11:51] <magespawn> tried that came up with a missing pulgin MMSH. so installed the gstreamer plugin but still says pulgin is missing
[11:55] <magespawn> duh somehow missed that plugin when I was selecting the ones to install
[11:57] <Kilos> brb remove nvidia again now must reboot
[12:01] <Kilos> yay got all 9 workspaces working again but no nvidia
[12:04] <magespawn> cool Kilos. 
[12:04] <Kilos> superfly, will it be better to try get that nvidia 173 driver via synaptic
[12:04] <Kilos> lol not cool magespawn 
[12:04] <magespawn> installed the missing plugin but still no luck with sa stations.
[12:04] <superfly> Kilos: that's the same one
[12:05] <Kilos> whats the good of a fancy graphics card that you cant use
[12:05] <superfly> Kilos: what graphics card do you have?
[12:05] <Kilos> installed the same way superfly ?
[12:05] <Kilos> lspci ?
[12:06] <superfly> well, since you're trying to install the nvidia driver, I can only assume you know what card you have
[12:06] <Kilos> nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1)
[12:07] <Kilos> i tried to install it because i got a popup screen saying there are restricted drivers available
[12:07] <superfly> ah, FX 5500
[12:08] <Kilos> thats what lspci gives
[12:08] <Kilos> oh you know it?
[12:08] <superfly> Kilos: install nvidia-current
[12:08] <Kilos> just with aptitude?
[12:08] <superfly> any package management app
[12:09] <Kilos> i like aptitude, it gives you alternative fixes sometimes
[12:11] <charlvn> good afternoon\
[12:11] <charlvn> phew what a hectic day
[12:11] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[12:12] <Kilos> voda foned last night and asked if i am happy with my connection now. was great last night
[12:12] <Kilos> yes ty very much i said
[12:13] <Kilos> now getting 4kB/s
[12:13] <Kilos> grr
[12:13] <charlvn> bah
[12:13] <charlvn> that is not good
[12:13] <Kilos> yesterday it jumped tween 200 and 400kB/s
[12:13] <charlvn> 4kbps is dial-up modem speed
[12:14] <charlvn> *4kBps
[12:14] <Kilos> this Bytes not bits
[12:14] <Kilos> ah
[12:14] <Kilos> lol
[12:14] <charlvn> yeah that's what i meant sorry
[12:14] <Kilos> i look where i am typing so dont see incoming, sorry
[12:15] <Kilos> yay gone to 15 kB/s
[12:17] <charlvn> maybe the tower is too busy during the day, too many calls / too much data going in and out
[12:17] <Kilos> ah, not the internet battling?
[12:17] <charlvn> that's unfortunately a problem with a lot of umts systems
[12:18] <charlvn> hmmm no idea about that but i would think vodacom would have plenty of capacity on their backbone
[12:18] <Kilos> that crooked thing?
[12:18] <Kilos> hehe
[12:18] <charlvn> yeah lol
[12:24] <superfly> magespawn: which radio station is that?
[12:24]  * superfly just popped the URL from a local community station into Amarok, and it just worked
[12:30] <charlvn> amarok is good, i usually just use vlc to play the stations and it works pretty well too
[12:33] <charlvn> hi zeref 
[12:41] <magespawn> superfly almost any one, I am trying for east coast radio
[12:41] <magespawn> charlvn doe listen to sa stations?
[12:42] <magespawn> doe/do you
[12:43] <smile> hi :)
[12:44] <magespawn> okay now all of a sardine it is working
[12:44] <magespawn> wierd
[12:44] <Kilos> hi smile 
[12:45] <Kilos> superfly, must i install the nvidia 173 as well or is nvidia-current enough?
[12:46] <smile> hi Kilos :D
[12:46] <superfly> Kilos: did I said nvidia-173 or nvidia-current?
[12:46] <Kilos> aptitude did lotsa work installing that
[12:47] <Kilos> lol you said current superfly 
[12:47] <Kilos> but didnt explain nicely that current wasnt just needed to make 173 work
[12:48] <Kilos> like a plugin addon thingie
[12:56] <Kilos> so magespawn tell me what is supposed to look better or different with a better graphics card?
[12:57] <Kilos> apart from accepting unity now that is
[12:58] <superfly> Kilos: it usually makes your computer work slightly faster,  because a lot of the GUI stuff gets handled by the graphics card instead of the CPU
[12:58] <Kilos> oh ty superfly thats good to know
[12:59] <Kilos> though it would be 3d and a fist would come out and punch me
[12:59] <superfly> haha, no
[13:00] <superfly> it just means that a lot of the small things that make your GUI smoother now work
[13:00] <Kilos> great ty very much
[13:23] <magespawn> games videos and such should work smoother and faster. the graphics card takes some of the processing away from the cpu
[13:40] <charlvn> magespawn: sorry for the slow response, been afk
[13:40] <charlvn> magespawn: usually not but sometimes i listen to stations from here: http://antfarm.co.za/
[13:40] <magespawn> unity should also work better, compiz and the other desktop managers will allow the pretty stuff
[13:41] <magespawn> np charlvn
[13:41] <magespawn> east coast radio is now working had to install the right codec
[13:41] <Kilos> ty magespawn will look into going further once i have unity on this drive
[13:42] <Trixar_za> Yes, you can't have disorder on your drive
[13:42] <Kilos> wasting data getting more stuff for maverick
[13:42] <Kilos> hiya Trixar_za hehe
[13:42] <Trixar_za> Not sounding any better
[13:43] <Kilos> ?
[13:43] <Trixar_za> There's a Linux distribution called Unity
[13:43] <Trixar_za> Well, Maverick and Unity
[13:43] <Kilos> yes thats what i am refering to
[13:43] <Trixar_za> To Ubuntu terms that can be used differently :P
[13:44] <Kilos> i have maverick here and am going to install 12.04 unity before wating more data on maverick
[13:44] <Trixar_za> The Madrivia based fork that uses SMART package management?
[13:44] <Trixar_za> http://unity-linux.org/
[13:44] <Trixar_za> Also it was named before the Unity desktop
[13:44] <Trixar_za> :p
[13:45] <Kilos> ah
[13:45] <Trixar_za> Nice bunch of guys though
[13:46] <Trixar_za> Shame about the loss of team members. Especially the Kernel experts
[13:46] <Kilos> eish that will hurt
[13:47] <Trixar_za> I was looking around at other small Linux distros when I lost faith in SliTaz's development
[13:48] <Trixar_za> Funny enough, I ended up back at SliTaz and fixed the issues myself, even providing the ppp fix to correct the biggest issue I was having
[13:48] <Trixar_za> I'm like a Sayan. I just come back stronger :P
[13:59] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[14:00] <magespawn> see you guys later
[14:01] <Kilos> later magespawn 
[14:06] <Kilos> see you guys tonight. go home safe and enjoy supper
[14:06] <Kilos> thats you too superfly 
[14:08] <Trixar_za> bbl
[16:03]  * smile zingt lekker mee met http://zimnet.radio.de/
[17:04] <charlvn> hi all
[17:04] <charlvn> welcome back smile 
[17:09] <smile> charlvn: thanks :D
[17:09] <smile> do you know yfm? :p
[17:10] <smile> @ charlvn 
[18:06] <Kilos> well duh!
[18:06] <Kilos> charlvn, superfly you guys leave me to sukkel hey
[18:07] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[18:07] <Kilos> inetpro, ping jy ook
[18:07] <superfly> Kilos: yes :-P
[18:08] <Kilos> hahaha no one told me a sata drive wont be seen till one has installed something from the mb cd to let it see sata drives
[18:08] <Kilos> yo roryy 
[18:09] <Kilos> decided to install xp on that unhappy 20g drive and see if i can now install AOE3 
[18:10] <roryy> hi
[18:10] <Kilos> then no audio and some other sis stuff. but luckily when ian was here years ago i copied his gigabyte cd
[18:13] <Kilos> so how would one get to use a sata drive if the mb battery was flat and didnt remember that it must enable sata???
[18:14] <superfly> Kilos: you sukkel because you make yourself sukkel
[18:14] <Kilos> hi Tonberry tonberryE352 
[18:14] <Kilos> lol no no no
[18:14] <Kilos> with sata connected pc screen didnt even come on
[18:15] <Kilos> but now i can see it just dunno how to tell bios to boot from it
[18:15] <superfly> Kilos: that doesn't make any sense, I've been using SATA drives for ages
[18:15] <Kilos> then i can go 12.04 on it
[18:15] <superfly> no need to do anything
[18:16] <Kilos> you most likely didnt have battery out so bios forgot about satas
[18:17] <Kilos> its actually an instalable goodie on the gigabyte cd
[18:17] <Kilos> seriel ATA something or other
[18:17] <Kilos> enables sata
[18:20] <charlvn> smile: yfm is a south african station right? didn't used to like it very much though
[18:21] <charlvn> Kilos: yeah that is rather strange indeed, i use sata drives without any hassle
[18:21] <Kilos> wow even if the mb battery dies
[18:22] <roryy> Kilos: how old is this motherboard?
[18:22] <charlvn> oh the on-motherboard battery... ok that could be a different issue
[18:22] <charlvn> haven't had that in a very long time
[18:22] <Kilos> maybe its murphy that stays here
[18:22] <charlvn> i had one or two old computers that it happened to but they were still using ide derives
[18:22] <Kilos> we gotta ask nuvolari 
[18:22] <charlvn> *drives
[18:23] <Kilos> this has ide too but kept looking for sata as well, but when sata drive plugged in screen didnt even come on
[18:23] <charlvn> ah
[18:23] <charlvn> interesting, new to me as well
[18:23] <Kilos> haha
[18:24] <Kilos> murphy's law
[18:24] <Kilos> as jy kan sukkel, sal jy
[18:24] <charlvn> lol
[18:25] <Kilos> maybe i got the link for the mb somewhere still
[18:25] <charlvn> brb
[18:25] <smile> charlvn: yes! :p
[18:25] <smile> I found it on radio.de
[18:25] <smile> :)
[18:30] <charlvn> smile: there is a list of more here: http://antfarm.co.za/antradio/index.asp
[18:30] <charlvn> you can probably find most of them on radio.de
[18:31] <charlvn> smile: the afrikaans radio station is this one: http://www.rsg.co.za/
[18:32] <charlvn> i used to listen to this: http://www.jacarandafm.com/
[18:32] <smile> thanks, charlvn 
[18:32] <smile> have to go, bye :)
[18:33] <charlvn> ciao!
[18:33] <smile> see ya :)
[18:35] <Kilos> anyway now im happy, gotta 80g sata going
[18:35] <Kilos> magespawn, AndChat|68096 wb
[18:36] <droidmage> Hi Kilos
[18:36] <Kilos> haha
[18:36] <charlvn> at work i drink this tea called "entspannung" and "innere ruhe"
[18:36] <droidmage> Pc still signed in at the shop
[18:36] <charlvn> it's herbal tv - need a lot of it while working on computers
[18:36] <Kilos> ah
[18:36] <charlvn> *herbal tea
[18:37] <charlvn> in the evening i can go back to drinking coffee
[18:37] <droidmage> Wow somebody who works on computer who drinks something other than coffee
[18:37] <charlvn> magespawn: coffee on
[18:37] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[18:37]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:37] <charlvn> sorry magespawn 
[18:37] <Kilos> charlvn, eat lotsa fish
[18:37] <droidmage> Lol
[18:37] <charlvn> tab fail
[18:37] <droidmage> Maaz coffee please
[18:37] <Maaz> droidmage: Done
[18:37] <Kilos> sea fish is brain food
[18:37] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[18:38] <charlvn> Kilos: i take these omega 3 pills full of fish oil
[18:38] <charlvn> it's good for the grey snot between the ears
[18:38] <Kilos> lol ya that too
[18:38] <charlvn> wb zeref 
[18:39] <Kilos> hey zeref why you been so quiet
[18:39] <Kilos> ?
[18:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn, droidmage and Kilos!
[18:41] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[18:41] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[18:41] <charlvn> Maaz: botsnack
[18:41] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[18:41] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[18:41] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[18:43] <Kilos> hey Squirm 
[18:43] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[18:44] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:44] <psydroid> hi Squirm
[18:44] <psydroid> hi charlvn
[18:44] <charlvn> hi psydroid 
[18:44] <charlvn> long time no speak to
[18:45] <psydroid> yeah, I was away for a month
[18:45] <charlvn> nice, holiday?
[18:45] <psydroid> kind of, I was travelling around Europe
[18:45] <charlvn> very cool!
[18:45] <charlvn> i don't really do the summer holiday thing, too hot for me
[18:46] <psydroid> :)
[18:46] <charlvn> even in NL it has been crazy weather for a few weeks
[18:46] <charlvn> there is no way i'm going down south when the heat wave is here
[18:46] <charlvn> i save my holiday for october or so
[18:46] <charlvn> that's a nice month for me
[18:46] <psydroid> were you in NL or is that where you actually live?
[18:46] <charlvn> how do you mean?
[18:47] <psydroid> yeah, I didn't really plan to go
[18:47] <psydroid> I mean, you aren't in South Africa?
[18:47] <charlvn> eh no?
[18:47] <charlvn> are you? :)
[18:48] <psydroid> hmm, I never knew you were a fellow Dutchie :)
[18:48] <charlvn> lol
[18:48] <charlvn> that's hilarious
[18:48] <Kilos> no he is in the netherlands
[18:48] <psydroid> no, I've never been there either
[18:48] <charlvn> no i used to actually live in south africa so i know the country well
[18:49] <psydroid> ah, now I understand
[18:49] <psydroid> well, I went to Denmark for a few weeks
[18:49] <psydroid> it gets pretty cold in the evenings
[18:49] <charlvn> ooh! nice
[18:49] <charlvn> denmark is cool but they have funny power sockets
[18:50] <psydroid> yeah
[18:51] <charlvn> i have an europlug on my laptop so i have no problem but if you have an earthed plug it doesn't work right
[18:51] <charlvn> you need a plug where the earth sticks into the wall like a british plug
[18:52] <psydroid> oh, I didn't bring much with me
[18:52] <psydroid> just my phone and my tablet
[18:53] <charlvn> no i can't go somewher without a laptop
[18:53] <psydroid> so I didn't have too many problems
[18:53] <psydroid> yes, I understand
[18:53] <charlvn> i'm actually ordering a new laptop
[18:54] <charlvn> this one is like 5+ years old and people already make fun of me for it :)
[18:54] <charlvn> after some serious consideration ended up ordering one of these: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/305345/lenovo-essential-b560-(m489nmh).html
[19:10] <droidmage> Kilos how goes it with the pc?
[19:11] <Kilos> still no joy with booting or even getting to bios droidmage but cpu warming up at least
[19:11] <Kilos> i dunno if it can work on a samll screen
[19:11] <Kilos> small
[19:12] <Kilos> but this one from nuvolari is getting better by the hour
[19:16] <droidmage> Well at least something is working.
[19:16] <Kilos> yeah i got the sata drive going
[19:16] <Kilos> and the nvidia fx5500
[19:17] <Kilos> only found the sata after installing xp then the gigabyte cd
[19:19] <droidmage> You had to go to windows? Wow.
[19:26] <Kilos> lol ya
[19:26] <Kilos> the auto install stuff on the giga cd had a place for enabling sata
[19:27] <Kilos> found just by chance while looking for audio drivers
[19:28] <Kilos> and to install the giga cd you first need windows
[19:28] <Kilos> then windows cant see the sata but ubuntu can
[19:29] <Kilos> learn something new everyday
[19:29] <Kilos> will still get the ecs mb going as well if it wasnt sold because it was scrap
[19:32] <Kilos> but im very happy with nuvolari s pc
[19:32] <Kilos> especially with an extra 80g drive working
[19:32] <droidmage> You can modify the windows cd to include sata drivers at the start. Or insert another disk with the drivers.
[19:33] <Kilos> no man windows is for gaming only and 20g drive is ample
[19:34] <Kilos> but as long as i dont remove the battery the mb will remember that it has sata capabilities as well
[19:35] <droidmage> Mmm
[19:36] <droidmage> Most people now would not have a 20 gig drive.
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <Kilos> ya
[19:38] <droidmage> I ran a laptop from an 8 gig flash for awhile on ubuntu.
[19:39] <Kilos> yeah i member. i see this pc can boot from usb's as well
[19:45] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:45] <droidmage> Night kilos
[19:46] <droidmage> Later all.
[20:19] <charlvn> interesting read: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/nonfree-games.en.html
[20:20] <charlvn> same goes for all proprietary software though
[20:21] <Symmetria> heh]
[20:21] <Symmetria> here is something interesting
[20:21] <Symmetria> we rolled ipv6 on the UFS network....
[20:21] <Symmetria> now *50%* of the traffic coming in is on ipv6
[20:44] <charlvn> Symmetria: that's very interesting indeed
[20:45] <charlvn> Symmetria: is that UFS as in http://www.ufs.ac.za/ ?
[20:45] <Symmetria> charlvn heh, we were doing over 100mbit on v6 today
[20:45] <Symmetria> yeah, webserver isnt v6 enabled yet, but all the client side is 
[20:45] <Symmetria> well, most of it so far
[20:45] <Symmetria> :)
[20:46] <Trixar_za> charlvn: Don't read too much into the gnu philosophy. It's sometimes self-contradicting and in other ways just plain dumb.
[20:47] <Symmetria> heh
[20:47] <Symmetria> charlvn.. here, you can read this
[20:47] <Symmetria> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/afripv6-discuss/2012/001175.html
[20:47] <Symmetria> my work for the last week :p
[20:47] <Symmetria> its a pretty damn scary story :)
[20:49] <charlvn> Symmetria: interesting, thanks!
[20:50] <charlvn> Trixar_za: i find a lot of it to be somewhat fanatical but it's still interesting food for thought
[20:50] <charlvn> Trixar_za: besides, gnu meant a lot to the open source movement
[20:52] <charlvn> ok i'm off, nn all
[21:00] <Trixar_za> Actually, Stallman rather you called it the Free Software Movement
[21:00] <Trixar_za> He doesn't like the term "Open Source"
[21:00] <Trixar_za> :P
[21:01] <Trixar_za> Although that proves your point about fanatical
[21:11] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos I'm sorry but between work, school and other events there's very little time left for online chatter in the next few weeks
[21:11] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode