[16:38] <pleia2> knome: we need to do something about docs :\
[16:39] <Unit193> cat /dev/urandom >> xubuntu/docs  ?
[16:39] <pleia2> maybe outline the issue (docs are hard) and see if someone on list who volunteered wants to come up with some way to handle it?
[16:43] <kalxas> hi all, I am a developer from OSGeoLive project http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html
[16:44] <kalxas> we have a problem creating an installable iso based on 12.04
[16:44] <kalxas> we are using all methods available and get the same issue.
[16:45] <kalxas> the system installs ok and during the first boot we get an error about not being able to mount /run
[16:45] <kalxas> we use this method here: https://gist.github.com/2838416
[16:45] <kalxas> but also remastersys
[16:45] <kalxas> both give the same problem
[16:46] <kalxas> so we are now wondering if you know something about this issue
[16:48] <pleia2> kalxas: welcome :) I'd recommend emailing the xubuntu-devel list, not all the devs are always active here
[16:48] <pleia2> I met one of the OSGeoLive folks at the Ubuntu Developer Summit in May, good stuff
[16:49] <kalxas> hi pleia2 
[16:49] <kalxas> did you meet Brian or Alex?
[16:49] <pleia2> kalxas: unfortunately I don't remember :\
[16:49] <kalxas> no problem
[16:50] <kalxas> we are ready for RC1 and we have this blocking issue now
[16:50] <kalxas> all applications and documents are in place
[16:53] <kalxas> thanks pleia2 for the suggestion, I am going to post to xubuntu-devel mailing list
[17:37] <pleia2> astraljava: some of the links on the qa tracker for our isos are wrong, how do we go about fixing these? like this: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/19880/testcases/134/results
[17:37] <pleia2> that's the desktop image, but it's linking to alternate
[19:29] <knome> pleia2, yup.
[19:33] <pleia2> I'll write a draft
[19:33] <knome> thanks
[19:34] <knome> i can chime in, though i'm enjoying a beer currently ;)
[19:34] <knome> wait
[19:34] <knome> wasn't there a draft alread?
[19:34] <pleia2> draft email to send to the list?
[19:34] <knome> http://typewith.me/p/RT4qAanipe
[19:34] <knome> y
[19:34] <pleia2> oh yeah
[19:34] <pleia2> my poor brain
[19:35] <knome> there was a reason to postpone this so that i'll be back
[19:35] <knome> was it just that i'm available or was there something else too?
[19:35] <pleia2> I think that's it
[19:35] <knome> ok
[19:35] <knome> we need to rethink the list
[19:35] <pleia2> yeah
[19:35] <knome> do we want to mention the specific roles?
[19:35] <pleia2> I don't think so, and I think we need to somehow mention that there isn't a doc lead, so we're sort of feeling our way along here
[19:35] <knome> those are not so exclusive, but otoh, because we made people choose, i think we should actually tell who should do what
[19:40] <knome> ok, done changes
[19:46] <pleia2> ok, I made some changes too, maybe we sleep on this and send it out tomorrow
[19:46] <knome> sounds good, though i think we've sleeped on it a lot already ;)
[19:47] <pleia2> yeah well :)
[19:47] <knome> ;)
[19:47] <knome> yeah, doesn't hurt to sleep one more night
[19:47] <knome> about the sameish time tomorrow we send it then?
[19:48] <knome> hmm
[19:48] <knome> do we have a meeting tomorrow?
[19:48] <knome> what's the normal schedule
[19:48] <micahg> I probably will not be here
[19:48] <knome> beta1 isn't around the corner just yet?
[19:48] <pleia2> I thought we were supposed to have one last week, so I don't know anymore :)
[19:48] <pleia2> no, alpha3 was just a few days ago
[19:48] <knome> yeah, but that was because of a3
[19:49] <knome> i think it's next to meaningless if we announce it today though...
[19:49] <micahg> only devel updates I'm aware of are mr_pouit did some merges/syncs and I got a fix committed to drop a chunk of the unity library dependency tree from our images
[19:49] <knome> if people turn up, just keep an informal meeting or so
[19:49] <micahg> well, I filed the bug and someone else committed the fix
[19:49] <knome> i can try to be around about the time we have had meetings
[19:50] <knome> micahg, :))
[19:50] <knome> micahg, nice
[19:50] <knome> pleia2, does that sound fair? ^
[19:50] <micahg> it's only ~1MB or so though, not that exciting, but something
[19:50] <knome> 15UTC it is
[19:50] <knome> micahg, btw, what's our size?
[19:50] <micahg> same as before alpha3 without the ballooning
[19:50] <micahg> ~735 on desktop
[19:51] <micahg> amd64
[19:51] <pleia2> whatever :)
[19:51] <pleia2> I'll wake up at 15:00 UTC
[19:51] <knome> is there something we can still drop rather easily?
[19:51] <knome> or should we start taking a lot of time to sort it out?
[19:51] <knome> python issues still around?
[19:51] <knome> or was that gimp..
[19:51] <knome> meh
[19:51] <knome> :<
[19:51] <micahg> no idea, I need to dig more
[19:51] <micahg> gimp is keeping gtk2 in
[19:51] <knome> okay
[19:51] <micahg> err
[19:52] <micahg> webkitgtk1.0
[19:52] <micahg> that's ~7MB
[19:52] <knome> mmh
[19:53] <micahg> there are probably more bad recommends somewhere, but we might need to drop something in the end to stay CD sized (I think we could still drop a language or 2 if desired ~10MB each)
[19:53] <knome> not desired really...
[19:53] <micahg> ok, so, let's see where we end up, it'll probably be another week before I can devote any serious time to this
[19:53] <micahg> *at least another week
[19:53] <knome> how much was it again that gimp would drop?
[19:54] <micahg> gimp with dependencies?  ~50MB at this point I think
[19:54] <knome> mmh
[19:54] <knome> not as much as i hoped, but okay ;)
[19:55] <micahg> it was ~40, but with libwebkitgtk1.0, it's almost ~50
[19:55] <micahg> or so I think, I could be wrong, but it's certainly enough to make all the images under 700MB again
[19:56] <knome> :)
[19:56] <Unit193> How much is gmusicbrowser anyway?
[19:56] <knome> not too much, it's perl
[19:57] <knome> we're not dropping it if there's no alternative, and i doubt most alternatives would take at least the same space :)
[19:57] <knome> (except some cli stuff..)
[19:59] <micahg> yeah, it's tiny
[20:01] <Unit193> Just wondered.
[20:02] <knome> :)