[07:21]  * smb -> BOD
[07:21] <smb> morning
[12:23] <Ravi325> Hi anyone there?
[12:29] <sagaci> there's no meeting scheduled, so probably not
[12:33] <Ravi325> oh
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Okay, guys, Ubuntu QA meeting starting in 3 minutes
[14:00] <smartboyhw> #startmeeting
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[14:00] <smartboyhw> Okay, welcome to the Ubuntu QA meeting
[14:01] <smartboyhw> [TOPIC] Ubuntu updates
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Thank you all for testing Ubuntu 12.10 Alpha 3....
[14:02] <smartboyhw> We hope that the follwing few weeks we will have good testing from everybody
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Clearly Balloons has started a Webapps testing for both 12.04 and 12.10
[14:03]  * balloons waves
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Thank him for that, hope everyone will enjoy the testing...
[14:03] <smartboyhw> We will have Ubuntu 12.04.1 on week 17 (August 23rd)
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Did anyone test these builds, the Precise ones?
[14:04] <smartboyhw> We'd better test those builds in the coming weeks ahead
[14:05] <smartboyhw> So that's all from me, then...
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Balloons please add more information, if you would like to
[14:07] <smartboyhw> No info from Balloons, so let's move on
[14:07] <balloons> Sure, next week we'll be testing the daily iso's as part of our testing cadence, but as smartboyhw mentioned, during this week you have the oppurtunity to help with webapps
[14:07] <balloons> ..
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Fine, thank you
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Moving on to Ubuntu Flavors, shall we?
[14:08]  * phillw is here for lubuntu
[14:08] <smartboyhw> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavors
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Good, phillw, lubuntu updates please
[14:09] <phillw> our a3 went well, just a couple of minor niggles that are being investigated.
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Good, then
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Any other flavors to discuss
[14:09] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:09] <phillw> our main apps are all now in, some artwork still to come in.
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Wow, we are waiting for the beautiful artwork
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Any other flavors, e.g. Xubuntu and Edubuntu?
[14:10] <balloons> o/
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Clearly there's not, right?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> So should we move on to Other Topics?
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Any Q&As?
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Go ahead and say, balloons
[14:13] <balloons> phillw, how's the ppc stuff?
[14:13] <phillw> it now installs!!!
[14:13] <balloons> the ff build is working now, is the installer ok?
[14:13] <balloons> yay!
[14:13] <phillw> we have a 3rd ppc tester :)
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Whom?
[14:13] <phillw> he he - I've forgotten his name!
[14:14] <balloons> phillw, :-p
[14:14] <phillw> https://launchpad.net/~rm2892
[14:14] <phillw> him ^^ (Ron)
[14:14] <smartboyhw> I agree, :-)
[14:14] <balloons> that's good.. so no bugs atm that need attention?
[14:15] <phillw> iso's are still over sized, Julien is looking into it.
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Yeah, they are all out of 703MiB
[14:15] <balloons> ..
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Hopefully you can fix it before Beta 1.
[14:15] <smartboyhw> So moving on now?
[14:15] <phillw> that is the p
[14:15] <phillw> plan
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Good.
[14:16] <phillw> ..
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Moving on...
[14:17] <smartboyhw> [TOPIC] Other topics
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Anyone had other topics to discuss?
[14:17] <balloons> o/
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Please say, balloons...
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Go ahead, balloons
[14:19] <balloons> i wanted to mention august is going to have some interesting opportunities for us in testing. In the coming weeks we'll be testing unity, other applications
[14:19] <balloons> and the work for the community hardware database should be unveiling
[14:19] <smartboyhw> UserInterfaceFreeze of Ubuntu 12.10 is on August 30th
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Also for Beta 1
[14:20] <smartboyhw> FeatureFreeze coming on 23rd August
[14:20] <balloons> also, i'd like to get a feel of how everyone perceives quality for this cycle -- look for an email soon
[14:20] <balloons> ..
[14:20] <smartboyhw> OK, so end the meeting now?
[14:21] <balloons> if there's no other questions or things to discuss yes
[14:21] <balloons> :-)
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Next chair is phillw on August 8th
[14:21] <smartboyhw> So end meeting
[14:21] <smartboyhw> #endmeeting
[14:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug  1 14:21:46 2012 UTC.
[14:21] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-01-14.00.moin.txt
[14:21] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-01-14.00.html
[14:21] <balloons> thanks for chairing smartboyhw
[14:21] <phillw> smartboyhw: thanks for chairing
[14:21] <balloons> u did well
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Yeah!
[14:22] <balloons> your mission now is to recruit someone for the end of august to chair
[14:22] <balloons> :-)
[14:22] <smartboyhw> OK....
[14:23] <balloons> smartboyhw, lol.. no worries, i
[14:23] <balloons> i have somene in mind
[14:23] <smartboyhw> I actually tried to copy balloons' meeting on 18th August...
[14:59]  * slangasek waves
[14:59]  * stgraber waves
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Why wave? No meeting till 2200UTC...
[15:00] <stgraber> smartboyhw: foundations team meeting like every week at this time
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Oh, I just finished my first QA meeting as chair
[15:00] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[15:02] <slangasek> #topic lightning round
[15:02] <ogra_> o/
[15:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:02] <slangasek> infinity barry stokachu ev xnox bdmurray stgraber cjwatson slangasek jodh doko ogra
[15:02]  * xnox 0/
[15:03] <infinity> * Kernel SRU ferrying, and other SRU and AA work
[15:03] <infinity> * Worked on eglibc bugfixes and backports for quantal and precise to make Friday's deadline
[15:03] <infinity> * Accidentally broke the archive (due to bug #1031061) and spent some time fixing it
[15:03] <infinity> * Worked more with lamont on sorting out the (un)happiness of panda buildds
[15:03] <infinity> * Fixed bug #1029556 in live-build
[15:03] <infinity> * Worked on some build failures over the weekend
[15:03] <infinity> * Somehow got sick, but discovered I can't file bugs against myself
[15:03] <infinity> * Note: Monday is a holiday for me
[15:03] <infinity> [...]
[15:03] <barry> abandoned work on xapian py3 bindings since both swig and cython approaches hit deadends.  bug 1029094.  bug 1026203.  python bug 15458 (python3-config --configdir doko \o/).  importlib docs landed for py3.3 in time for beta2.  dmb meeting.  gwibber py3 work started.  done.
[15:04] <barry> #ubottufail
[15:04] <stgraber> infinity: Thursday's deadline (21:00 UTC)
[15:04] <smartboyhw> *help
[15:04] <infinity> stgraber: My brain works in "end of weeks", but yes. ;)
[15:06] <stokachu_> barry: finished?
[15:06] <stokachu_> oh
[15:06] <barry> stokachu_: yep.  see hidden, supersekrit "done"
[15:06] <barry> :)
[15:06] <stokachu_> lol
[15:07] <cjwatson> Somebody tell me when it's my turn since I missed the start. :)
[15:07] <ogra_> cjohnston, after stephane
[15:07] <infinity> cjwatson: You're after stgraber.
[15:07] <stokachu_> so last two weeks, vacation first week, on-site with customer fixing autofs second, today+tomorrow will be finishing up rdepends testing
[15:07] <ogra_> grr
[15:07] <ogra_> cjwatson, ^^
[15:07] <stokachu_> ...
[15:07] <cjohnston> yay, me again!
[15:07] <ogra_> heh
[15:07]  * ogra_ hugs cjohnston 
[15:07] <cjohnston> ;-)
[15:08]  * xnox wait a minute?! did I get skipped?!
[15:08]  * cjohnston is finished hijacking meeting
[15:08] <ogra_> xnox, nope
[15:08] <cjwatson> infinity,ogra_: ta
[15:08] <slangasek> xnox: your turn now
[15:08] <ogra_> xnox, you are after the weekly novel paste :)
[15:08] <ogra_> oh, no ev then
[15:08] <slangasek> ev is on vac
[15:09] <xnox> * finished automatic luks encryption for ubiquity. Pushed merge
[15:09] <xnox>   proposals for: ubiquity and partman-crypto
[15:09] <xnox>   https://code.launchpad.net/~dmitrij.ledkov/ubiquity/crypto-done/+merge/117664
[15:09] <xnox> * did little work on HPCloud, I have many sbuilds for rebuilds, but
[15:09] <xnox>   still a few bugs here and there. Should be able to do a rebuild for
[15:09] <xnox>   stockachu's SRU's today. (it's cloud, so it just works, right?!)
[15:09] <xnox> * volleyball is great at Earl's Court. I will be off until next Thursday.
[15:09]  * ogra_ hasnt seen you on TV yet !
[15:09]  * barry hasn't either!
[15:09] <ogra_> (though olympics in the US TV is a joke actually)
[15:09]  * xnox there was a tiny dot in the top right corner at the table, they never show ;-)
[15:09] <infinity> slangasek: Oh dear.  Are we going to get a 5000-word essay about ev's vacation when he gets back?
[15:10] <ogra_> LOL !!
[15:10] <xnox> infinity: s/essay/short novel/
[15:10] <stokachu_> i think he is finishing his thesis on world domination this week
[15:10] <stokachu_> up your buffers
[15:10] <bdmurray> xnox: done?
[15:10] <xnox> odne
[15:11] <bdmurray> reported and fixed apt-clone bug regarding usernames and passwords - LP: #1029021
[15:11] <bdmurray> reported and fixed update-manager bug 1029046 regarding apt-clone system state information
[15:11] <bdmurray> bugbot modification to check systemstate attachment for username and password
[15:11] <bdmurray> bugbot work to tag bugs verification-failed and regression-proposed
[15:11] <bdmurray> discovered and fixed missing apport white list stuff in ubuntu-release-upgrader
[15:11] <bdmurray> precise SRU of update-manager bug 818760 (high on errors.ubuntu.com)
[15:11] <bdmurray> SRU verification of update-manager bug 1002956 for precise
[15:11] <bdmurray> SRU verification of bug 1006633 regarding apport and /etc/default/grub
[15:11] <bdmurray> SRU verification of bug 972436 regarding apport and precise
[15:11] <bdmurray> modified sru-release to comment on bugs and unsubscribe ubuntu-sru team
[15:11] <bdmurray> modified sru-report to look at message owners when coloring stuff golden
[15:11] <bdmurray> merge proposal for error tracker bug 1008727 (links changing colors)
[15:11] <bdmurray> вЊЃ done вЊЃ
[15:12] <stgraber> - Containers
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Fixed bug in lxc-ubuntu and lxc-ubuntu-cloud that'd make container creation fail now that sysvinit has been fixed.
[15:12] <stgraber>  - SRUed above fix.
[15:12] <stgraber> - Networking
[15:12] <stgraber> - 12.04.1
[15:12] <stgraber>  - 12.04.1 team meeting and minutes
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Went through all the targeted/milestoned bugs for 12.04.1, updated status based on comments and queue status.
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Verified a bunch of SRUs.
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Uploaded a few more SRUs for bugs targeted to the point release (usb-creator, ubiquity, isc-dhcp, ubuntu-docs)
[15:12] <stgraber> - Image based system
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Implemented proof of concept for foundations-q-image-based-updates, can be found in lp:~stgraber/+junk/image-setup
[15:12] <stgraber>  - Talked a bit with tedg on the work being done by his team.
[15:12] <stgraber> - SRU
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Working on fixing the fglrx/fglrx-updates purge bug, hitting a few other weirdness in the maintainer scripts...
[15:13] <stgraber> - Other
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Alpha 3
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Update publish-image-set in ubuntu-archive-tools to properly deal with the new arm images
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Almost done merging LTSP with Debian, it might be the first time we do that, so the delta was huge, but it's now quite small and readable, so LTSP should be much easier to maintain in the future.
[15:13] <slangasek> xnox: did you see the further discussion on the mdadm SRU regression (bug #1030292)?  Any thoughts on how to deal with that so we can have the mdadm fixes for .1?
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Some ARB app review, the app showdown made the ARB New queue reach 140 packages... Still 50 to review...
[15:13] <stgraber> - TODO this week
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Continue the work on 12.04.1.
[15:13] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:13] <cjwatson> Very short week: holiday Wed-Fri.  Internet connection down at home for over a week now, causing substantial disruption to my working style.
[15:13] <cjwatson> Move server image base system squashfs (set up last week) from /casper/ to /install/ to reduce confusion.
[15:13] <cjwatson> Drop build-dependency on poxml in installation-guide (bug 1031478).
[15:13] <cjwatson> done
[15:13] <cjwatson> Did almost all the work required to kill off the old copy-package.py script in Launchpad.  Should be possible following tomorrow's deployment.  This will include archive admins no longer needing to approve copies as a separate step.
[15:13] <cjwatson> Investigating xorriso 1.2.4, which (once I work out how to drive it) may clean up Mac/UEFI image building sufficiently that we can ditch the amd64+mac images.
[15:14] <stgraber> wow, that'd be great! (no more +mac images)
[15:15] <cjwatson> it claims to be equivalent to mjg's isohybrid work
[15:15] <xnox> slangasek: i believe that mdadm fighting with dmraid correctly, because existing users of IMSM did have dmraid (since mdadm had no support for it). And mdadm fails to activate or do anything useful with IMSM on boot because mdmon is not in the initramfs.
[15:15] <jdstrand> cjwatson: re copy-package.py> \o/
[15:15] <xnox> slangasek: so my plan is to push mdmon into initramfs in quantal. Ask those users with IMSM to test.
[15:15] <cjwatson> jdstrand: also https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/pocket-queue-admin/+merge/117630
[15:16] <ogra_> xnox, stop growing the initrds !
[15:16] <xnox> slangasek: on these grounds the SRU should probably be rejected, but I still want to test other parts of it. Or I can reupload the SRU but drop the ISMS and DDF containers from the udev rules file.
[15:17] <slangasek> xnox: hrm, I don't understand.  Surely if the device is currently configured under dmraid, an upgrade to mdadm shouldn't cause it to suddenly start being assembled by mdadm?
[15:17] <jdstrand> cjwatson: that's awesome :)
[15:17] <xnox> ogra_: but it's only for those who have niche hardware! =)
[15:17] <cjwatson> jdstrand: if *that* gets merged we can probably just have you use something equivalent to unembargo --copy for everything
[15:17] <cjwatson> and then ditch the ubuntu-security celebrity from LP \o/
[15:17] <jdstrand> wow, great stuff :)
[15:17] <ogra_> xnox, well, if its not in all initrds i'm fine ... ac100 has a 1.5MB limit in the bootloader
[15:17] <xnox> slangasek: yeah. good point. no clue. my guess is that the udev event fires and mdadm now listens to it. and we currently assemble all mdadm arrays we find.
[15:18] <xnox> slangasek: there are other bugs part of ReliableRaid as to conditionally assemble arrays and not drop into initramfs if some raid arrays fail to assemble (e.g. if /opt/ failed to assemble we should continue to boot)
[15:18] <xnox> ..
[15:19] <slangasek> xnox: so does the mdadm rule need to be listed later than the dmraid rule, or does it need to respect the dmraid config, or something?  do you have some time yet to look at this today?  We really need this solved this week if we're going to have it in .1
[15:19] <xnox> ok. I will look into dmraid/mdadm interaction today.
[15:19] <slangasek> xnox: (dropping the ISMS handling also seems ok for now)
[15:20] <xnox> slangasek: to be honest. for that user, neither may have been setup.
[15:20] <xnox> and mdadm trying and failing spectacularly.
[15:22] <xnox> cjwatson: finished fixing up comments from the first review of crypto-done
[15:22] <xnox> pushed.
[15:23] <slangasek>  * patch piloting on Monday, taking a few old requests off the queue (couchdb, libav)
[15:23] <slangasek>  * multiarch upload sponsorships to precise
[15:23] <slangasek>  * SRU processing: reviewing cedarview enablement packages in precise-proposed
[15:23] <slangasek>  * fixed a bug in sdlgfx that was making frozen-bubble uninstallable in quantal (bug #1029981)
[15:23] <slangasek>  * updated skype packages in partner
[15:23] <slangasek>  * scheduled foot surgery; outpatient procedure so not taking any time off, but hours will shift around a little over the next weeks
[15:23] <slangasek> (done)
[15:23] <jodh> * boot/upstart: stateful re-exec:
[15:23] <jodh>   - enum handling now complete.
[15:23] <jodh>   - need to finish off dbus connection serialisation and map out
[15:23] <jodh>     strategy for dummy ConfSource/inotify handling.
[15:23] <jodh>   - currently working on stitching minimal set of pieces together and putting
[15:24] <jodh>     them into a PPA for *very* early testing.
[15:24] <jodh>  
[15:24] <jodh> ... and for infinity (determined to get more mileage out of this "Tetris" (TM) gag)...
[15:24] <jodh>  
[15:24] <jodh> в Ўв Ђв ѓв •в •в ћв Њв Ґв Џв Ћв ћв Ѓв —в ћв ±в Ђв Ћв ћв Ѓв ћв ‘в ‹в Ґв ‡в Ђв —в ‘в ¤в ‘в ­в ‘в ‰в ±
[15:24] <jodh> в Ђв Ђв ¤в Ђв ‘в ќв Ґв Ќв Ђв “в Ѓв ќв ™в ‡в Љв ќв ›в Ђв ќв •в єв Ђв ‰в •в Ќв Џв ‡в ‘в ћв ‘в Ё
[15:24] <infinity> slangasek: Well, thank god for frozen-bubble fixes.
[15:24] <jodh> в Ђв Ђв ¤в Ђв ќв ‘в ‘в ™в Ђв ћв •в Ђв ‹в Љв ќв Љв Ћв “в Ђв •в ‹в ‹в Ђв ™в ѓв Ґв Ћв Ђв ‰в •в ќв ќв ‘в ‰в ћв Љв •в ќв Ђв Ћв ‘в —в Љв Ѓв ‡в Љв Ћв Ѓв ћв Љв •в ќв Ђв Ѓв ќв ™в Ђв Ќв Ѓв Џв Ђв •в Ґв ћ
[15:24] <jodh> в Ђв Ђв Ђв Ђв Ћв ћв —в Ѓв ћв ‘в ›в Ѕв Ђв ‹в •в —в Ђв ™в Ґв Ќв Ќв Ѕв Ђв ‰в •в ќв ‹в Ћв •в Ґв —в ‰в ‘в Њв Љв ќв •в ћв Љв ‹в Ѕв Ђв “в Ѓв ќв ™в ‡в Љв ќв ›в Ё
[15:24] <jodh> в Ђв Ђв ¤в Ђв ‰в Ґв —в —в ‘в ќв ћв ‡в Ѕв Ђв єв •в —в …в Љв ќв ›в Ђв •в ќв Ђв Ћв ћв Љв ћв ‰в “в Љв ќв ›в Ђв Ќв Љв ќв Љв Ќв Ѓв ‡в Ђв Ћв ‘в ћв Ђв •в ‹в Ђв Џв Љв ‘в ‰в ‘в Ћв Ђв ћв •в ›в ‘в ћв “в ‘в —в Ђв Ѓв ќв ™
[15:24] <jodh> в Ђв Ђв Ђв Ђв Џв Ґв ћв ћв Љв ќв ›
[15:24] <jodh> в Ђв Ђв Ђв Ђв ћв “в ‘в Ќв Ђв Љв ќв ћв •в Ђв Ѓв Ђв Џв Џв Ѓв Ђв ‹в •в —в Ђв Ўв §в ‘в —в Ѕв Ўв Ђв ‘в Ѓв —в ‡в Ѕв Ђв ћв ‘в Ћв ћв Љв ќв ›в Ё
[15:24] <jodh> рќЂЅ
[15:24] <jodh>  
[15:24] <jodh> oh yeah - patch piloted on tuesday too :)
[15:24] <doko> could somebody translate? ;p
[15:24]  * ogra_ wonders if jodh ever looked at irclogs.ubuntu.com ... 
[15:25] <xnox> doko: it's the same report in braile
[15:25] <jodh> ogra_: I did, but couldn't bear the thought that infinity didn't ;)
[15:25] <ogra_> jodh, well, its just junk in the txt logs
[15:26] <jodh> ogra_: just goes to prove - repeats are never as good as the live event ;)
[15:26] <ogra_> heh
[15:27] <xnox> infinity: btw, i did not get around to doing e2fsprogs summary/test-cases
[15:28] <infinity> xnox: I figured, based on my not hearing about it. :)
[15:28] <doko> jodh, are you finished?
[15:28] <ogra_> doko, <jodh> рќЂЅ
[15:28] <ogra_> indeed he is :)
[15:28] <xnox> doko: the fancy UTF-8 character is finish ;-)
[15:28] <jodh> +1 :)
[15:29] <doko> back from vacation and two weeks of real offline time, wading through emails, preparing binutils, gcc, openjdk updates
[15:29] <doko> (unfancy dot)
[15:29]  * xnox want utf-8 language keywords in C++'12
[15:29] <ogra_> done:
[15:29] <ogra_> * switched omap/omap4 images to use uEnv.txt and preEnv.txt (this completely drops
[15:29] <ogra_>   the requirement of boot.scr and gives us plain text files for setting boot options)
[15:29] <ogra_>   the installed system still uses boot.scr after install, flash-kernel changes for
[15:29] <ogra_>   this are in the works and should land mid next week
[15:29] <ogra_> * QA sprint: implementing fully automatic image testing on pandaboards, issues with usbboot
[15:29] <ogra_>   to provide the bootloader to the boards were solved the last two days with some hardware
[15:29] <ogra_>   hacking and soldering (expect an intresting blog article the next days ;) )
[15:29]  * doko hits xnox
[15:29] <ogra_> * QA sprint: implementing an automatic provisioning system for pandaboards via tftp, http
[15:29] <ogra_>   and usbboot/udev to pull, install and run images from cdimage automatically
[15:29] <ogra_>   (blog and documentation pending). many thanks to rsalveti and jcrigby for working after
[15:29] <ogra_>   hours and at night on the u-boot bugs we are finding along the way !
[15:29] <ogra_> todo:
[15:29] <ogra_> * finish the transition to uEnv.txt and preEnv.txt on omap/omap4 images
[15:30] <slangasek> xnox: neither may have been setup> if you look at the udev log, you'll see that in his successful boot there are dmraid devices
[15:30] <ogra_> * document the new way of booting with the above
[15:30] <ogra_> * QA sprint: finish the fully automatic image test suite for pandas
[15:30] <ogra_> ..
[15:30]  * xnox hides behind infinity.
[15:30] <xnox> slangasek: hmm... missed it. ok.
[15:31] <jodh> xnox: hey - we could create a IOC++CC then!
[15:31] <doko> hide *where*?
[15:31] <ogra_> oh, and i got an imx6 board that i havent unpacked yet :)
[15:31] <doko> then you don't need it. send it to me =)
[15:31] <ogra_> haha
[15:31] <ogra_> i guess yu can get one as well
[15:33] <xnox> i had some luck with my pandaboard.
[15:33] <ogra_> \o/
[15:33] <slangasek> any questions on any of the above?
[15:33] <xnox> installed with ssh server, but pending on external storage for sbuild slave
[15:34] <infinity> cjwatson: Any opinions on bug #1031061 ?
[15:34] <slangasek> xnox: so e2fsprogs is not quite there... should bug #978012 be unmilestoned?
[15:34] <xnox> slangasek: yes
[15:34] <cjwatson> infinity: I followed up
[15:35] <cjwatson> wgrant was pretty much "package removals shouldn't be exported if you can use them to leave orphaned binaries" IIRC
[15:35] <slangasek> stgraber: ^^ unmilestoning e2fsprogs then, unless you want to follow it up yourself
[15:35] <cjwatson> perhaps because the same would apply to PPAs ...
[15:35] <cjwatson> certainly my bad for forgetting about that while writing the client
[15:36] <infinity> cjwatson: Ahh, hadn't thought of the PPA angle.
[15:36] <slangasek> infinity, cjwatson: but fundamentally, the binaries it removed were ones *not* from the source package being removed, no?
[15:36] <slangasek> they came from the new source package
[15:36] <stgraber> slangasek: I don't see any bug that would prevent installation, so I'm fine with it being fixed in -updates
[15:36] <infinity> slangasek: No, it removed the source+binaries that belonged together.
[15:36] <slangasek> stgraber: ok
[15:36] <infinity> slangasek: Nothing from the new source.
[15:37] <smartboyhw> Excuse me, which command for help?
[15:37] <infinity> slangasek: It didn't do anything "wrong" on that front, it just did something very unexpected. :P
[15:37] <cjwatson> slangasek: they did?  the bug doesn't say that
[15:37] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: we're in the middle of a meeting here
[15:37] <slangasek> infinity: oh - binaries also renamed and the old binaries were current?
[15:37] <smartboyhw> Sorry, I have to ask..
[15:37] <infinity> slangasek: Right.
[15:37] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: please use some different channel for experimenting with IRC
[15:37] <infinity> slangasek: There was no overlap at all between the source packages and their binary children.
[15:38] <slangasek> yeah.  I'm trying to remember if source-only removal is normal usage there... I guess historically that's how we put such packages on the NBS report
[15:38] <infinity> slangasek: Which was why the goal was to remove source-only and do a soft transition with the help of the NBS tracker.  Which then turned into a panicked "oh crap, all the old libraries are gone" transition. ;)
[15:38] <cjwatson> personally, I've never used source-only removal
[15:38]  * slangasek nods
[15:38] <cjwatson> feels dirty to me
[15:38] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, I'm okay with losing the option.
[15:39] <slangasek> ok, well, I think we've gotten enough mileage out of that bug for this meeting either way
[15:39] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:39] <infinity> cjwatson: Although, note the output from the command.  Was that ubuntu-archive's fault, or the API's?
[15:39] <cjwatson> but if you really think we need it, raise an LP bug
[15:39] <slangasek> bdmurray: what's buggy?
[15:39] <cjwatson> infinity: the client's
[15:39] <bdmurray> bug 938869 has been receiving some recent duplicates
[15:40] <cjwatson> that's gotta be a python3.2 bug?
[15:40] <cjwatson> or, well, this is precise so python2.7
[15:40] <bdmurray> InterpreterPath: /usr/bin/python3.2mu
[15:40] <cjwatson> oh, it says 3
[15:40] <cjwatson> yeah
[15:40] <cjwatson> I don't think we shipped precise that way though?  the bug is from Feb
[15:40] <infinity> 3.2mu?
[15:41] <cjwatson> at least one recent dup is from quantal
[15:41] <slangasek> cjwatson: lsb-release flip-flopped a couple of times in previous releases
[15:41] <slangasek> (pre-release)
[15:41] <cjwatson> infinity: readlink -f /usr/bin/python3
[15:41] <cjwatson> slangasek: right, I remember
[15:41] <barry> weird
[15:42] <bdmurray> 5 of the 6 duplicates are using Quantal
[15:42] <slangasek> for as much as we use lsb-release in the distro, though, this has to be a small corner case if there are only 7 reports
[15:42] <infinity> Yeah.
[15:42] <slangasek> reassign to python3.2?
[15:42] <infinity> It would be breaking builds too, if it was consistent.
[15:42] <cjwatson> looks like "interpreter completely busted" to me
[15:43] <cjwatson> lsb_release just the first thing it bites?
[15:43] <slangasek> there are similar bug reports against other python packages
[15:44] <slangasek> bug #1022205
[15:44] <barry> private bug
[15:44] <slangasek> bug #958374, but that's python2.7
[15:45] <slangasek> barry: publicked
[15:45] <xnox> barry: yeah, it could still print 'try http://pad.lv/1022205/ '
[15:46] <barry> sure seems like a dup
[15:46] <slangasek> bug reassigned; doko, could you follow up on it?
[15:47] <infinity> When did the retracers start giving me disassembly?  Fancy.
[15:47] <infinity> Or, rather, apport, not the retracer.
[15:47] <infinity> It was in the original report...
[15:47] <slangasek> augh, why is the duplicate-marker full of fancy ui now
[15:47] <cjwatson> that was a change that landed today I think
[15:48] <xnox> ubiquity is trending on errors.ubuntu.com with "on page-ask, clicking abort results in" bug 1027648
[15:48] <xnox> maybe users should not abort installing ubuntu....
[15:49] <infinity> "To orientate at the bugnumber this crasher must be an old nable."
[15:49] <infinity> I couldn't have said it better myself.
[15:50]  * barry is sad: "No symbol table info available."
[15:52] <cjwatson> xnox: sigh, that disaster again
[15:53] <xnox> cjwatson: didn't strace it yet.... luckily it's much earlier this time.
[15:54] <xnox> looks like it's watching debconf_fd's but cleans them up too early/late
[15:56]  * slangasek taps the network with his foot
[15:56] <slangasek> what'd I miss?
[15:56] <ogra_> silence
[15:57] <ogra_> about 2 mins of it
[15:57] <slangasek> bdmurray: any other bugs?
[15:57] <infinity> slangasek: Depends on the delta between when you lost your connection and when the server punted you. :P
[15:57] <slangasek> infinity: 5
[15:57] <ogra_> oh, right i was judging by the disconnect message
[15:57] <infinity> slangasek: Then you missed punch and pie.
[15:57]  * slangasek nods
[15:58] <bdmurray> bug 1029864
[15:58] <doko> sladen, will do
[15:59]  * xnox network is fine, and the foot will be replaced soon. things that slangasek does to get reliable internetz.
[15:59] <slangasek> bdmurray: looks like TheMuso is TIL on brltty; shall we assign to him?
[15:59] <cjwatson> yeah, brltty is a desktop thing
[15:59] <cjwatson> despite its effect here :)
[16:00] <bdmurray> ah, okay sorry about that
[16:00] <slangasek> heh, I'll bet the package team mapping says something else, doesn't it
[16:01] <bdmurray> I think it had started off as a d-i bug
[16:01] <slangasek> oh neat, I can't load the package team mapping doc
[16:01] <slangasek> ohwell
[16:01] <xnox> fix is in debian, so it's an easy merge.
[16:01]  * slangasek assigns to Luke
[16:02] <cjwatson> slangasek: package-team-mapping says brltty -> foundations
[16:02] <cjwatson> which is wrong
[16:02] <cjwatson> but trying to edit that thing over this network ...
[16:02] <cjwatson> (not really happening)
[16:02] <bdmurray> I'll fix it
[16:02] <stokachu_> lag +234 sweeeeeeeet
[16:02] <cjwatson> xnox: well, merge and sru
[16:03] <slangasek> bdmurray: anything else?  (maybe give them in a batch if so, since we're at time)
[16:03] <bdmurray> slangasek: just bug 488696
[16:05] <xnox> i am guessing me?
[16:05] <xnox> and for quantal it's just autofs package?
[16:05] <xnox> instead of autofs5 package.
[16:07] <slangasek> er... ok, I've never heard of an automount nsswitch.conf entry before
[16:07] <slangasek> let's take that over to #ubuntu-devel for further analysis
[16:07] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:07] <slangasek> anything else?  you have -7 minutes to discuss
[16:08] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug  1 16:08:54 2012 UTC.
[16:08] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-01-15.00.moin.txt
[16:08] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-01-15.00.html
[16:08] <slangasek> thanks all :)
[16:09] <ogra_> thanks slangasek
[16:09] <xnox> jodh: ev missed your fancy typing =)
[16:09] <xnox> both times?!
[16:09] <xnox> slangasek: thanks.
[16:09] <ogra_> xnox, he can repeat it next meeting
[16:09] <barry> thanks!