| christel | good morning | 05:52 |
|---|---|---|
| christel | 4/1 | 06:11 |
| christel | er | 06:11 |
| diplo | Morning | 07:21 |
| feisar | morning | 07:29 |
| hoover | morning all | 07:31 |
| daubers | morning | 07:39 |
| AlanBell | morning | 07:45 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 07:45 |
| hoover | morning alan, brobo, daubers! | 07:46 |
| brobostigon | morning hoover | 07:46 |
| jacobw | morning | 07:48 |
| brobostigon | morning jacobw | 07:48 |
| * jacobw welcomes hoover to #ubuntu-uk | 07:48 | |
| jacobw | how's it going brobostigon? | 07:49 |
| brobostigon | jacobw: not so hot, but on the mend. and you? | 07:50 |
| jacobw | i'm very well thanks :) | 07:50 |
| jacobw | http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/07/31/1831233/fedora-18-to-feature-the-gnome2-fork-mate | 07:50 |
| jacobw | i think this is not good | 07:50 |
| brobostigon | :) | 07:51 |
| hoover | thx jacobw | 07:52 |
| brobostigon | cool. i just asked google if it is going to be cold today, and it replied clearly no. | 07:52 |
| jacobw | i've misunderstood, they're packaging MATE, which is good | 07:52 |
| brobostigon | google now* | 07:52 |
| MartijnVdS | "They're featuring Gnome 2, mate" | 08:02 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: cool | 08:02 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: thats what i thought. | 08:10 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! :) | 08:17 |
| brobostigon | morning JamesTait :) | 08:17 |
| JamesTait | brobostigon: o/ | 08:21 |
| bigcalm | Morning peeps | 08:22 |
| oimon | mate is like cinnamon but without the nice bits, right? | 08:25 |
| gord | merry mailman day to one and all | 08:32 |
| * bigcalm grumbles | 08:37 | |
| bigcalm | I need to tell our LUG admin to remove plain text password from the reminder emails :( | 08:38 |
| AlanBell | mailman will do that | 08:40 |
| AlanBell | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk see warning about not using a valuable password | 08:42 |
| bigcalm | Indeed, yet it can be disabled | 08:42 |
| bigcalm | I can't remember the last time I got a reminder email from the Ubuntu UK loco | 08:43 |
| AlanBell | oh, we probably don't have that turned on, but I presume if you request your password to be sent then it will do | 08:50 |
| bigcalm | Not a good system imo :) | 08:53 |
| bigcalm | What would cause a mysql table to crash? | 08:58 |
| diplo | bigcalm: corrupt ? | 09:05 |
| diplo | If so shutting down during queries | 09:06 |
| diplo | That's the only personal experience I've had, used to have aserver that hard locked occasionally and had to repair tables after each time | 09:06 |
| bigcalm | diplo: there's no reason for mysql to have done that on this client's server. The server also has an uptime of 127 days | 09:07 |
| bigcalm | Using repair table worked, but reduced the number of rows from 49 to 48, no idea what data was lost :) | 09:08 |
| diplo | mysqld been running along time as well, or could that have crashed | 09:08 |
| bigcalm | Ah | 09:08 |
| bigcalm | Fun | 09:08 |
| * bigcalm drags the company into modern times | 09:12 | |
| bigcalm | Have set up gitlab for us to use instead of Subversion | 09:12 |
| oimon | anyone who uses cyanogen know how to disable the vibrate when you pwoer off? | 09:20 |
| oimon | it wakes up my wife when i read late in bed | 09:20 |
| hoover | oimon: she sounds touchy ;-) | 09:23 |
| hoover | bigcalm: out of memory situation? | 09:24 |
| bigcalm | hoover: a possibility. It's a shared machine as far as I know | 09:25 |
| hoover | bigcalm: you should be able to find something in dmesg if that should have been the case | 09:26 |
| bigcalm | -bash: /sbin/dmesg: Permission denied | 09:28 |
| bigcalm | Didn't think I would have access | 09:28 |
| hoover | you don't have root? | 09:32 |
| oimon | hoover, my wife is not the tablet :P | 09:33 |
| oimon | the tablet makes a loud buzz as it powers off, as does my phone | 09:34 |
| hoover | oimon: Wow, that seems extremely loud then | 09:35 |
| bigcalm | hoover: no :) Not all of our clients have hosting which gives some complete control of their machines. Sometimes we're lucky to get SSH :| | 09:44 |
| bigcalm | Though, those tend to be smaller companies | 09:44 |
| diplo | Anyone know how to grab home dir in php ? | 09:44 |
| diplo | If possible, $_SERVER stores document_root | 09:45 |
| diplo | just wondering if there is a simple way to grab users homedir | 09:45 |
| bigcalm | diplo: have a look in $ENV | 09:45 |
| diplo | k ta | 09:45 |
| bigcalm | Erm, $_ENV | 09:46 |
| diplo | Same as $_SERVER :/ | 09:46 |
| diplo | Will keep looking | 09:47 |
| bigcalm | diplo: have a look at getenv(); | 09:47 |
| hoover | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19055707 | 09:47 |
| hoover | Nice | 09:47 |
| oimon | chrome + flash = super fast videos :( | 09:48 |
| gord | $thing + flash = :( | 09:49 |
| bigcalm | diplo: getenv('HOME') | 09:50 |
| oimon | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19076244 weird - article does not explain why they weren't trying | 09:50 |
| oimon | ah, from another article Both pairs were already through to the quarter-finals with the winners to face China's Tian Quing and Zhao Yunlei. | 09:51 |
| brobostigon | lol, i am just watching the news, and apparently last night, two badmington teams, tried to purposly not win. very weird. | 09:52 |
| oimon | brobostigon, see my comment ^^ | 09:52 |
| diplo | bigcalm: Does return anything here, most succesful option so far is get_current_user() | 09:52 |
| diplo | And hope the setup is always /home | 09:52 |
| diplo | :) | 09:53 |
| brobostigon | oimon: ah, yes. | 09:53 |
| diplo | Doesn't* | 09:53 |
| bigcalm | diplo: ho hum | 09:53 |
| bigcalm | Works here :S | 09:53 |
| bigcalm | I guess HOME is defined in Ubuntu 12.04 | 09:53 |
| oimon | ~ is always the homedir | 09:54 |
| diplo | heh, I'm developing on ubuntu but hadn't tested there.. trying to get round a shared host issue | 09:54 |
| diplo | How bad is it to do ../ from doc_root ? | 09:54 |
| diplo | getenv doesn't work on my 12.04 box ? | 09:55 |
| diplo | just tested | 09:55 |
| bigcalm | <?php echo getenv('HOME'); ?> from the CLI doesn't work? | 09:56 |
| diplo | Nope | 09:57 |
| bigcalm | Goodness | 09:58 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| oimon | running remmina, my dock shows the brasero icon, weird | 10:00 |
| davmor2 | morning all, czajkowski prod | 10:01 |
| diplo | OK, get_current_user() will have to suffice till i sit down and write something better :) | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | Morning davmor2 | 10:03 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: ello | 10:06 |
| davmor2 | morning bigcalm czajkowski how are you both? | 10:10 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: Still waking up | 10:11 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: grand thank | 10:12 |
| czajkowski | s | 10:12 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: still! you idle turnip | 10:12 |
| bigcalm | It's what I get for working late | 10:12 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: I didn't ask how much you'd be worth on the open market :P glad to hear you're both good anyway :) | 10:13 |
| andylockran | can anyone help me troubleshoot a networking issue | 10:24 |
| andylockran | massive latency: http://dpaste.com/779292/ | 10:24 |
| andylockran | from the router things look ok | 10:24 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: how you finding the new version of skype? | 10:24 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: hasn't crashed on me yet :) | 10:25 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: well that's a good start I guess :) | 10:26 |
| bigcalm | Indeed | 10:26 |
| gord | geez stoopid summer holidays. the kids outside have bikes but all they do is go in a circle in the little shared outside bit there. why even have a bike at all?! | 10:27 |
| diplo | andylockran: Can see on @ 113ms | 10:28 |
| diplo | Or are you meaning the *'s ? | 10:28 |
| andylockran | tje *s? | 10:31 |
| andylockran | root@sauron:/var/log# ping bbc.co.uk | 10:32 |
| andylockran | PING bbc.co.uk (212.58.241.131) 56(84) bytes of data. | 10:32 |
| andylockran | 64 bytes from 212.58.241.131: icmp_req=1 ttl=245 time=48.4 ms | 10:32 |
| andylockran | 64 bytes from 212.58.241.131: icmp_req=2 ttl=245 time=52.8 ms | 10:32 |
| andylockran | ^C64 bytes from 212.58.241.131: icmp_req=4 ttl=245 time=13.0 ms | 10:32 |
| andylockran | --- bbc.co.uk ping statistics --- | 10:32 |
| andylockran | 4 packets transmitted, 3 received, 25% packet loss, time 11135ms | 10:32 |
| andylockran | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 13.026/38.077/52.806/17.805 ms | 10:32 |
| bigcalm | !paste | andylockran | 10:32 |
| lubotu3 | andylockran: Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 10:32 |
| diplo | andylockran: Just one thing I've come across before is that Linux uses UDP for traceroute and windows uses ICMP | 10:40 |
| diplo | And other setups do things differently so you can get different results | 10:40 |
| diplo | Some routes don't allow icmp/udp | 10:40 |
| diplo | man traceroute you can see all the options | 10:40 |
| andylockran | ok, ewl | 10:55 |
| andylockran | ok, ewl | 10:57 |
| gord | ok, ewl | 10:58 |
| oimon | ok, ewl | 10:59 |
| DJones | \o/ First Gold Medal for GB | 11:02 |
| oimon | rowing? | 11:02 |
| DJones | Yep | 11:02 |
| oimon | yay | 11:02 |
| oimon | i've got smurfs on my olympic feed - does BBC support html5? | 11:06 |
| oimon | ah, it's the pepper flash that plays stuf too fast in chrome | 11:08 |
| oimon | disabled it, and enabled regular flash instead | 11:08 |
| * oimon bags a few outlook.com addresses | 11:38 | |
| daubers | oimon: restarting your spam empire? | 11:39 |
| oimon | interestingly, fredbloggs is taken , but you can get fred.bloggs | 11:40 |
| oimon | unlike googe | 11:40 |
| oimon | so if you bag fbloggs, you should also try f.bloggs | 11:42 |
| oimon | you can add an alias | 11:42 |
| oimon | so multiple accounts are not necessary | 11:42 |
| jacobw | what is outlook.com? | 12:04 |
| DJones | jacobw: hotmail.com with a new curtains | 12:05 |
| jacobw | does it support IMAP? | 12:05 |
| jacobw | the last time i checked, hotmail didn't support IMAP :( | 12:06 |
| zleap | that is to stop you using basic outlook type program with hotmail or something | 12:09 |
| zleap | either that or MS are not capable of writing software to support solid standards | 12:09 |
| * jacobw sees that the skype acquisition has now been utilised | 12:09 | |
| zleap | yeah got it running now | 12:10 |
| zleap | skype that is | 12:11 |
| jacobw | microsoft is one of the companies most capable of writing software to support whatever they want to support | 12:11 |
| zleap | i was joking, however it took tham years to write a browser to support proper html standards | 12:11 |
| zleap | hence you had issues with web pages not working properly | 12:11 |
| jacobw | they don't make life difficult because they're not capable of making it easy, see active directory, it's very easy. | 12:11 |
| christel | rawr | 12:20 |
| oimon | found out that the fix for the smurf bug is simply to disable hardware accel | 12:45 |
| * bigcalm back flips into his office chair | 12:58 | |
| Dave2 | mmhm | 13:00 |
| oimon | 5.6 | 13:00 |
| bigcalm | \o/ | 13:01 |
| christel | :o | 13:02 |
| * Flashtek pushes bigcalm's char down the corridor | 13:02 | |
| bigcalm | Weeeeeeee | 13:03 |
| christel | 7msg bigcalm http://soundcloud.com/kapslap/nothing-inside-molly | 13:49 |
| christel | er | 13:49 |
| christel | hello norwegian keyboard layout of fail | 13:49 |
| * christel swaps back to Normal | 13:49 | |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 13:49 |
| * bigcalm toe-taps | 13:50 | |
| christel | just help me find molly alright? :P | 13:51 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 13:51 |
| bigcalm | Molly sounds like a drug | 13:52 |
| christel | yes! find me some drugs! | 13:53 |
| bigcalm | :O | 13:53 |
| christel | or just help me find molly.. | 13:53 |
| christel | P | 13:53 |
| christel | :P | 13:53 |
| * bigcalm makes christel a coffee | 13:53 | |
| christel | mmmcoffeee | 13:53 |
| christel | it is SO quiet | 13:55 |
| bigcalm | shhh shhh | 13:56 |
| czajkowski | any UML folks in here? | 14:05 |
| bigcalm | I subscribe, but I doubt that's what you mean | 14:06 |
| czajkowski | do you group them into fewer general steps and then expand them into a class diagram | 14:07 |
| oimon | http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2012-08-01/video-of-boris-stuck-on-a-zip-wire/ | 14:07 |
| oimon | made me laugh | 14:07 |
| bigcalm | UML != Ubuntu Mail List? | 14:08 |
| shauno | I always thought it was usermode linux, but I'm not sure that's still 'a thing' | 14:09 |
| czajkowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Modeling_Language | 14:11 |
| czajkowski | !UML | 14:11 |
| jacobw | umbrello | 14:13 |
| christel | should i go watch the new batman film? | 14:13 |
| christel | ON MY OWN?! | 14:13 |
| czajkowski | christel: I did the other night | 14:14 |
| christel | i have never been to the movies on my own :o | 14:14 |
| christel | is it scary? :D | 14:15 |
| czajkowski | eh no | 14:16 |
| czajkowski | you loon | 14:16 |
| christel | haha | 14:17 |
| christel | <3 | 14:17 |
| davmor2 | christel: the only scary bit is if you sit next to a weirdo, mind you it's all perspective they might think you are the weirdo | 14:18 |
| christel | hahaha | 14:18 |
| Pendulum | christel: go for it :) | 14:20 |
| gord | going to the movies on your own isn't strange, its such a solitary activity anyway no matter if you go with anyone else or not | 14:25 |
| gord | soon as the lights dim its just you and the film | 14:25 |
| christel | the c64 is 30 years old today (it was my first computer too) -- can i celebrate this with cake? | 14:26 |
| christel | CAKE | 14:26 |
| directhex | celebrate every day... with cake! | 14:26 |
| Pendulum | christel: cake is appropriate for all occasions | 14:27 |
| christel | mmmcake | 14:28 |
| czajkowski | we're having cake | 14:28 |
| czajkowski | penguins on top | 14:29 |
| czajkowski | carrot cake in the middle | 14:29 |
| czajkowski | http://ubuntuone.com/68uEJhilNxgeWBsiFbaBwj <--- yummy | 14:29 |
| christel | OMNOMNOM | 14:29 |
| czajkowski | no herrings :) | 14:30 |
| christel | aw :( | 14:30 |
| christel | herring cake is MY FAVOURITE | 14:30 |
| christel | i just realised i've forgotten to eat today | 14:32 |
| christel | maybe i should have breakfast (cake!) | 14:32 |
| === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan | ||
| === rastamouse is now known as nothingspecial | ||
| jacobw | is there a mature wiki project with a better permissions implementation than mediawiki? | 15:03 |
| jacobw | mediawiki's permissions extensions are inconsistent and odd | 15:04 |
| directhex | mediawiki doesn't believe in your fascist "permissions" | 15:13 |
| directhex | it believes in freedom for all! | 15:13 |
| daubers | comrade directhex has the correct idea! Come the revolution the people will have the power of the wiki! | 15:14 |
| daubers | That or mediawiki's permissions system is a stick with "Don't do it again" written on it to beat people with | 15:14 |
| bigcalm | dd-wrt - can I not enable a port forward for a specific incoming IP address? | 15:15 |
| ali1234 | dd-wrt is a gui enabled firmware for noobs. so no. | 15:19 |
| ali1234 | try openwrt instead | 15:19 |
| bigcalm | ali1234: maybe not ready? http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt320n | 15:26 |
| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| bigcalm | What's the word on the street about TomatoUSB? | 15:30 |
| diplo | guys and girls | 15:31 |
| diplo | Better to use /usr/bin/env perl or /usr/bin/perll ? | 15:31 |
| diplo | -l | 15:31 |
| diplo | I'm seeing both used a lot recently and not sure whats best practise ? | 15:32 |
| AlanBell | /usr/bin/env {perl/python} is supposed to be better | 15:32 |
| diplo | I can see it being more transportable to different sites/machines | 15:32 |
| AlanBell | slightly more cross platform apparently | 15:32 |
| diplo | yeah | 15:32 |
| * diplo goes with that. I think i'd made my decision, just wanted someone to agree :D | 15:33 | |
| jacobw | bigcalm: i've just acquired a linksys wrt54gl | 15:38 |
| jacobw | bigcalm: 802.1x on my home network \o/ | 15:38 |
| christel | i er.. wow | 15:40 |
| Dave2 | do you now | 15:40 |
| christel | Dave2: yes! | 15:42 |
| christel | omnomdebonbon clearly cant work out whether to stay or go | 15:42 |
| Dave2 | indeed | 15:42 |
| christel | can i BAN HIM FROM TTHE INETRNETS? | 15:45 |
| christel | bigcalm is very odd/ | 15:46 |
| bigcalm | I'm odd eh? :P | 15:47 |
| christel | yes! | 15:47 |
| christel | :P | 15:47 |
| Dave2 | I'm even. | 15:47 |
| christel | why excellent! | 15:47 |
| gord | i agree with the assement of bigcalm | 15:52 |
| bigcalm | Thanks! | 15:52 |
| * christel tickles gord | 15:52 | |
| christel | pretty Pendulum! join bigcalm and i on google hangout (so that i can perv over you whilst drinking beer) | 15:54 |
| Pendulum | christel: I don't look all that great today, but I'll come hang out anyway | 15:56 |
| christel | woop! | 15:57 |
| christel | you always look great! | 15:57 |
| christel | \o/ | 15:59 |
| jacobw | kick | 16:00 |
| christel | jacobw: kick Pendulum ? :o | 16:01 |
| * AlanBell is having an "oh I will just quickly do .." kind of afternoon, in which nothing turns out quickly | 16:12 | |
| christel | aww | 16:14 |
| christel | Dave2: you're the (scape)goat | 16:18 |
| Dave2 | I am‽ | 16:18 |
| * lazarus_ got a bit ballsy and bought http://tinyurl.com/bosv52c | 16:21 | |
| lazarus_ | figured why not lol | 16:21 |
| christel | AlanBell: i am having the sort of day where i am perving over Pendulum \o/ | 16:22 |
| Dave2 | :o | 16:22 |
| Dave2 | THE BAND‽ | 16:23 |
| Dave2 | Why do I keep using interrobangs today | 16:23 |
| * Dave2 puts his compose key away | 16:23 | |
| MartijnVdS | Why‽‽‽ | 16:24 |
| Dave2 | ⸘I DON'T KNOW‽ | 16:24 |
| MartijnVdS | ⸘MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE AWESOME‽ | 16:25 |
| Dave2 | Do you think so‽ | 16:26 |
| === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan | ||
| christel | Dave2: you're cute. | 16:48 |
| christel | that is all | 16:48 |
| christel | i am horny. | 16:48 |
| christel | (no for real, czajkowski, bigcalm and Pendulum can attest) | 16:48 |
| * bigcalm tuts | 16:48 | |
| OmNomDeBonBon | I just ate a whole pack of jaffa cakes in like 5 minutes. :| | 16:50 |
| christel | OMNOM! | 16:50 |
| christel | :D | 16:50 |
| bigcalm | OmNomDeBonBon: did it fix your connection? | 16:50 |
| christel | it would appear to have done! | 16:50 |
| christel | :p | 16:50 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Suggestion: a more generous flood protection limit so I don't get killed when my client tries to join 25 channels at once because Virgin Media can't code a router OS to save their lives. | 16:51 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | I was wondering why I was banned from so many channels... | 16:51 |
| === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan | ||
| * Dave2 raises an eyebrow | 16:52 | |
| OmNomDeBonBon | bigcalm: not really. I'm going to have to leave some channels to get myself within the flood protection threshold. | 16:52 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Dave2, we meet again. | 16:53 |
| * Dave2 raises the other eyebrow | 16:55 | |
| OmNomDeBonBon | I thought you lost the other eyebrow in that crêpe accident. | 16:56 |
| === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan | ||
| christel | AlanBell: what on earth are you doing? that noise is quite scary! | 17:04 |
| christel | :o | 17:05 |
| brobostigon | skype on android sucks balls. | 17:09 |
| brobostigon | surprise.* | 17:10 |
| christel | yes. | 17:14 |
| dwatkins | pah, use SIP ;) | 17:24 |
| MartijnVdS | gtalk++ | 17:24 |
| MartijnVdS | and/or ghangout++ | 17:25 |
| brobostigon | not actually ever tried. | 17:25 |
| dwatkins | does gtalk on Android have voice? | 17:25 |
| MartijnVdS | it does on modern phones | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | (Nexus S and on) | 17:26 |
| dwatkins | hmm, I wonder why mine doesn't, then | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: which one do you have? | 17:26 |
| brobostigon | experiment? | 17:26 |
| dwatkins | MartijnVdS: CM7 on a HTC Ace | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: ah cm7 | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: you need to use a special version of talk on cm7 | 17:26 |
| brobostigon | my nexus7 wouls work then? | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: it should yes | 17:26 |
| dwatkins | oh right, I'll look into that, thanks MartijnVdS | 17:27 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: cool :) | 17:27 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: my xoom and Galaxy Nexus do | 17:27 |
| MartijnVdS | Voice & video calling through gtalk.. though they're replacing that with hangouts now | 17:27 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: is it 4.1 or 4 specific? | 17:27 |
| brobostigon | agreed. | 17:28 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: It was on the Nexus S, so I think it was in 2.2 even | 17:28 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: interesting, the right hw being present aldo. | 17:28 |
| brobostigon | also * | 17:28 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: there should be a camera icon next to your contact names if they support video chat | 17:29 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: let me look. | 17:29 |
| MartijnVdS | and if you open one, there's a microphone icon at the top for voice calling | 17:29 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: in 2.3.7 on my dream, no. | 17:29 |
| MartijnVdS | isn't that one of the very first phones? | 17:30 |
| MartijnVdS | Because if it's not Nexus One or newer, you're not going to get it :( | 17:30 |
| MartijnVdS | (thank Google) | 17:30 |
| brobostigon | yep. the first. adp1. | 17:30 |
| MartijnVdS | btw, tonight on the BBC4s: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074pz0 | 17:30 |
| MartijnVdS | and http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hlkcq | 17:30 |
| brobostigon | :) | 17:30 |
| MartijnVdS | </offtopic> :) | 17:31 |
| brobostigon | marked 12 hourd ago, :) | 17:31 |
| MartijnVdS | time for fewds | 17:32 |
| brobostigon | thts wrong, it was last night. | 17:32 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: i think this is a good time to upgrade from my htc dream, if i can get the money. | 17:33 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: rumours of a new Nexus phone at christmas | 17:41 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: yes, | 17:42 |
| MartijnVdS | So.. be very nice and maybe Santa.. | 17:42 |
| brobostigon | :) | 17:42 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | MartijnVdS: I would expect nothing less than a new Nexus phone at Christmas. | 18:06 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | They'll need an Android 5.0 reference device. | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDeBonBon: Nexus S to Galaxy Nexus took longer than that | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDeBonBon: Android 5 won't come for at least a year.. 4.1 just came out and they want to slow down the release pace | 18:07 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | 4.1 was a piffling minor release. | 18:09 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | You can compare it to 3.0 --> 3.1 --> 3.2. | 18:09 |
| MartijnVdS | the upgraded notifications are nice | 18:09 |
| jacobw | does anyone know much about zabbix agent? i'm not finding much explanation of it in plain view | 18:10 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Additionally, they'll want a new reference device to compete against the new iPhone - even though the S3 and One X will probably better phones, they need a new product to showcase the new OS. | 18:10 |
| MartijnVdS | jacobw: I know a few of our sysadmins went on expensive training courses | 18:10 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | MartijnVdS: the N7 is one of the best gadgets I've ever bought. | 18:10 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Only issue is the lack of removable storage. | 18:10 |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDeBonBon: Can't buy it in NL yet :( | 18:10 |
| MartijnVdS | I have a Xoom and a GNEx and my old Nexus One with CM7 | 18:10 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Unfortunately there's no good cellular-enabled Android tablet yet. | 18:11 |
| MartijnVdS | cellular-enabled = expensive second plan | 18:11 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Not in my country. | 18:11 |
| MartijnVdS | Good thing I have a mifi :P | 18:11 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Giffgaff (sp?) in the UK do unlimited internet and 200 minutes for £10/mo. | 18:12 |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDeBonBon: I know, but I'm in the Netherlands | 18:12 |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDeBonBon: and unlimited internet is only for DSL/fibre/cable | 18:12 |
| Seeker` | Azelphur: hows your sale going? | 18:13 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | You don't have unlimited 3G internets? | 18:13 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | How rare. | 18:13 |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDeBonBon: not anymore.. since Vodafone complained unlimited internet was being used too much (wut) | 18:13 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | I've had "unlimited" mobile data for two and a half years now. | 18:13 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Vodjafjone. | 18:13 |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDeBonBon: it was "Unlimited*" (* except when we decide it's not) | 18:13 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | I rarely use more than 200-300mb a month of my 3gb allowance. | 18:13 |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDeBonBon: then all other phone companies followed | 18:13 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | That's 3gb of fair use. | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | same here | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | but.. I get a free second SIM from my employer/land-line ISP with 1GB allowance.. so that goes in the mifi | 18:14 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | But yeah I'd like a 3G tablet so I don't have to tether my tablet all the time. | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | Mifi -> Kindle, Xoom, [sometimes phone] -> Boom! | 18:14 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | TBH, I just want a Surface Pro with 3G/4G...but the cellular models won't be out until next year. | 18:14 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Surface RT is out in October, Surface Pro a few months later. Both are wifi-only. | 18:15 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | I just want a Windows tablet I can use as a laptop ffs. | 18:15 |
| * brobostigon requests sponsorship for purchase, prior, to said release of new nexus phone, as MartijnVdS described. | 18:15 | |
| OmNomDeBonBon | I have a sneaking suspicion the 3G/4G Surface tablets will ship with Haswell, not Ivy Bridge. | 18:16 |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDeBonBon: I read somewhere that "Surface will have as much impact as the Zune" | 18:16 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: Buy put options on facebook stock ;) | 18:17 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Nah, the Zune and Kin were obvious duds. | 18:17 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Surface will dominate the high-end of the tablet market IMO. | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: or apple stock (and sell after iphone5 is announced) | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDeBonBon: they can't even get it to run in demo.. | 18:18 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | I think Android will dominate the 7" space. | 18:18 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | Didn't Stevie J have problems when they first presented the iPhone? | 18:18 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: i dont understand. soryr | 18:18 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: i dont understand. sorry. | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: Apple stock tends to increase in price after big announcements, so if you buy it now (cheap) and iphone5 is announced next month, you'll gain money | 18:19 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: Put options are a way of betting stock prices will drop (which they will, for facebook) | 18:19 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: i have no interest in apple hw, with current IOS implementation on them. | 18:20 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: you're not buying apple hardware | 18:21 |
| MartijnVdS | you're buying a piece of the company (which will increase in value, after which you can sell it again) | 18:21 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: the hw spec, seems good, however. | 18:21 |
| MartijnVdS | if the rumours are true, yes.. it looks great :) | 18:22 |
| brobostigon | fail* | 18:22 |
| brobostigon | hmmm, | 18:22 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: so what is going to change in IOS then? | 18:22 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: I don't know, but the rumour sites do 8-) | 18:22 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: I've seen some hardware predictions (larger screen, "retina" resolution, etc.) | 18:23 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: i dont believe it myself. | 18:23 |
| jacobw | MartijnVdS: sorry, I didn't catch the response | 18:23 |
| jacobw | MartijnVdS: are they happier for it? :) | 18:23 |
| jacobw | MartijnVdS: I'm a little suspicious of 'Our software is AWESOME, come to $STATE and learn all about it' | 18:24 |
| MartijnVdS | jacobw: they're using Nagios now.. does that help? | 18:24 |
| MartijnVdS | though I think they still use zabbix for some corner cases | 18:24 |
| jacobw | yeah, it seems the everyone uses nagios in some capacity | 18:26 |
| OmNomDeBonBon | "<brobostigon> MartijnVdS: so what is going to change in IOS then?" Apple are going to innovate a new tech to speed up iOS even more. It's called Project Margarine. | 18:34 |
| brobostigon | haha, lol | 18:34 |
| christel | rawr | 18:43 |
| brobostigon | RAWR | 18:44 |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDeBonBon: Low-fat! | 18:45 |
| * bigcalm slumps | 19:46 | |
| * jacobw prods bigcalm | 19:49 | |
| bigcalm | Meh | 19:49 |
| jacobw | kde 4.9 is out | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | so this chromebox has two display ports and if you pick the wrong one you get nothing | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | nice design there | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | also my wireless keyboard and mouse don't work with it | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | (they work fine with linux) | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | lame. | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | i'm just sitting here going "wat?" and hitting keys like i imagine someone who would actually buy one of these would | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | http://code.google.com/p/chromium-os/issues/detail?id=31607 | 20:36 |
| ali1234 | great, so they don't build in any HID quirks stuff by default | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | argh. so *after* you get a new keyboard and get past the "setup keyboard" screen, *then* it downloads the updates that (in theory) will fix your keyboard | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | this reminds me a lot of OS X | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | that's probably because none of the software i use is available and the mouse pointer moves incredibly slowly | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | oh nice, it has a built in speaker.... wait that's not nice, it's terrible | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | youtube video playback quality is awful :( | 21:34 |
| ali1234 | bored now. basically chromebox = a computer that doesn't do anything | 21:40 |
| christel | BASICALLY | 21:41 |
| yothsoggoth | Sounds like you should've done that review on a podcast, would've been funny | 21:42 |
| MartijnVdS | Today's Top Tip: Don't enable -proposed on quantal if you want working X | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRveuk_4Or0 | 21:50 |
| christel | rawr | 22:25 |
| christel | goooooodnight my pretties <3 | 22:25 |
| brobostigon | RAWR | 22:25 |
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