[05:52] <christel> good morning
[06:11] <christel> 4/1
[06:11] <christel> er
[07:21] <diplo> Morning
[07:29] <feisar> morning
[07:31] <hoover> morning all
[07:39] <daubers> morning
[07:45] <AlanBell> morning
[07:45] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[07:46] <hoover> morning alan, brobo, daubers!
[07:46] <brobostigon> morning hoover
[07:48] <jacobw> morning
[07:48] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[07:48]  * jacobw welcomes hoover to #ubuntu-uk
[07:49] <jacobw> how's it going brobostigon?
[07:50] <brobostigon> jacobw: not so hot, but on the mend. and you?
[07:50] <jacobw> i'm very well thanks :)
[07:50] <jacobw> http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/07/31/1831233/fedora-18-to-feature-the-gnome2-fork-mate
[07:50] <jacobw> i think this is not good
[07:51] <brobostigon> :)
[07:52] <hoover> thx jacobw
[07:52] <brobostigon> cool. i just asked google if it is going to be cold today, and it replied clearly no.
[07:52] <jacobw> i've misunderstood, they're packaging MATE, which is good
[07:52] <brobostigon> google now*
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> "They're featuring Gnome 2, mate"
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: cool
[08:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thats what i thought.
[08:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:17] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait :)
[08:21] <JamesTait> brobostigon: o/
[08:22] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[08:25] <oimon> mate is like cinnamon but without the nice bits, right?
[08:32] <gord> merry mailman day to one and all
[08:37]  * bigcalm grumbles
[08:38] <bigcalm> I need to tell our LUG admin to remove plain text password from the reminder emails :(
[08:40] <AlanBell> mailman will do that
[08:42] <AlanBell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk see warning about not using a valuable password
[08:42] <bigcalm> Indeed, yet it can be disabled
[08:43] <bigcalm> I can't remember the last time I got a reminder email from the Ubuntu UK loco
[08:50] <AlanBell> oh, we probably don't have that turned on, but I presume if you request your password to be sent then it will do
[08:53] <bigcalm> Not a good system imo :)
[08:58] <bigcalm> What would cause a mysql table to crash?
[09:05] <diplo> bigcalm: corrupt ?
[09:06] <diplo> If so shutting down during queries
[09:06] <diplo> That's the only personal experience I've had, used to have  aserver that hard locked occasionally and had to repair tables after each time
[09:07] <bigcalm> diplo: there's no reason for mysql to have done that on this client's server. The server also has an uptime of 127 days
[09:08] <bigcalm> Using repair table worked, but reduced the number of rows from 49 to 48, no idea what data was lost :)
[09:08] <diplo> mysqld been running along time as well, or could that have crashed
[09:08] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:08] <bigcalm> Fun
[09:12]  * bigcalm drags the company into modern times
[09:12] <bigcalm> Have set up gitlab for us to use instead of Subversion
[09:20] <oimon> anyone who uses cyanogen know how to disable the vibrate when you pwoer off?
[09:20] <oimon> it wakes up my wife when i read late in bed
[09:23] <hoover> oimon: she sounds touchy ;-)
[09:24] <hoover> bigcalm: out of memory situation?
[09:25] <bigcalm> hoover: a possibility. It's a shared machine as far as I know
[09:26] <hoover> bigcalm: you should be able to find something in dmesg if that should have been the case
[09:28] <bigcalm> -bash: /sbin/dmesg: Permission denied
[09:28] <bigcalm> Didn't think I would have access
[09:32] <hoover> you don't have root?
[09:33] <oimon> hoover, my wife is not the tablet :P
[09:34] <oimon> the tablet makes a loud buzz as it powers off, as does my phone
[09:35] <hoover> oimon: Wow, that seems extremely loud then
[09:44] <bigcalm> hoover: no :) Not all of our clients have hosting which gives some complete control of their machines. Sometimes we're lucky to get SSH :|
[09:44] <bigcalm> Though, those tend to be smaller companies
[09:44] <diplo> Anyone know how to grab home dir in php ?
[09:45] <diplo> If possible, $_SERVER stores document_root
[09:45] <diplo> just wondering if there is a simple way to grab users homedir
[09:45] <bigcalm> diplo: have a look in $ENV
[09:45] <diplo> k ta
[09:46] <bigcalm> Erm, $_ENV
[09:46] <diplo> Same as $_SERVER :/
[09:47] <diplo> Will keep looking
[09:47] <bigcalm> diplo: have a look at getenv();
[09:47] <hoover> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19055707
[09:47] <hoover> Nice
[09:48] <oimon> chrome + flash = super fast videos :(
[09:49] <gord> $thing + flash = :(
[09:50] <bigcalm> diplo: getenv('HOME')
[09:50] <oimon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19076244 weird - article does not explain why they weren't trying
[09:51] <oimon> ah, from another article Both pairs were already through to the quarter-finals with the winners to face China's Tian Quing and Zhao Yunlei.
[09:52] <brobostigon> lol, i am just watching the news, and apparently last night, two badmington teams, tried to purposly not win. very weird.
[09:52] <oimon> brobostigon, see my comment ^^
[09:52] <diplo> bigcalm: Does return anything here, most succesful option so far is get_current_user()
[09:52] <diplo> And hope the setup is always /home
[09:53] <diplo> :)
[09:53] <brobostigon> oimon: ah, yes.
[09:53] <diplo> Doesn't*
[09:53] <bigcalm> diplo: ho hum
[09:53] <bigcalm> Works here :S
[09:53] <bigcalm> I guess HOME is defined in Ubuntu 12.04
[09:54] <oimon> ~ is always the homedir
[09:54] <diplo> heh, I'm developing on ubuntu but hadn't tested there.. trying to get round a shared host issue
[09:54] <diplo> How bad is it to do ../ from doc_root ?
[09:55] <diplo> getenv doesn't work on my 12.04 box ?
[09:55] <diplo> just tested
[09:56] <bigcalm> <?php echo getenv('HOME'); ?> from the CLI doesn't work?
[09:57] <diplo> Nope
[09:58] <bigcalm> Goodness
[10:00] <oimon> running remmina, my dock shows the brasero icon, weird
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all, czajkowski prod
[10:02] <diplo> OK, get_current_user() will have to suffice till i sit down and write something better :)
[10:03] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[10:10] <davmor2> morning bigcalm czajkowski how are you both?
[10:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: Still waking up
[10:12] <czajkowski> davmor2: grand thank
[10:12] <czajkowski> s
[10:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: still! you idle turnip
[10:12] <bigcalm> It's what I get for working late
[10:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: I didn't ask how much you'd be worth on the open market :P  glad to hear you're both good anyway :)
[10:24] <andylockran> can anyone help me troubleshoot a networking issue
[10:24] <andylockran> massive latency: http://dpaste.com/779292/
[10:24] <andylockran> from the router things look ok
[10:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: how you finding the new version of skype?
[10:25] <bigcalm> davmor2: hasn't crashed on me yet :)
[10:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: well that's a good start I guess :)
[10:26] <bigcalm> Indeed
[10:27] <gord> geez stoopid summer holidays. the kids outside have bikes but all they do is go in a circle in the little shared outside bit there. why even have a bike at all?!
[10:28] <diplo> andylockran: Can see on @ 113ms
[10:28] <diplo> Or are you meaning the *'s ?
[10:31] <andylockran> tje *s?
[10:32] <andylockran> root@sauron:/var/log# ping bbc.co.uk
[10:32] <andylockran> PING bbc.co.uk (212.58.241.131) 56(84) bytes of data.
[10:32] <andylockran> 64 bytes from 212.58.241.131: icmp_req=1 ttl=245 time=48.4 ms
[10:32] <andylockran> 64 bytes from 212.58.241.131: icmp_req=2 ttl=245 time=52.8 ms
[10:32] <andylockran> ^C64 bytes from 212.58.241.131: icmp_req=4 ttl=245 time=13.0 ms
[10:32] <andylockran> --- bbc.co.uk ping statistics ---
[10:32] <andylockran> 4 packets transmitted, 3 received, 25% packet loss, time 11135ms
[10:32] <andylockran> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 13.026/38.077/52.806/17.805 ms
[10:32] <bigcalm> !paste | andylockran
[10:40] <diplo> andylockran: Just one thing I've come across before is that Linux uses UDP for traceroute and windows uses ICMP
[10:40] <diplo> And other setups do things differently so you can get different results
[10:40] <diplo> Some routes don't allow icmp/udp
[10:40] <diplo> man traceroute you can see all the options
[10:55] <andylockran> ok, ewl
[10:57] <andylockran> ok, ewl
[10:58] <gord> ok, ewl
[10:59] <oimon> ok, ewl
[11:02] <DJones> \o/ First Gold Medal for GB
[11:02] <oimon> rowing?
[11:02] <DJones> Yep
[11:02] <oimon> yay
[11:06] <oimon> i've got smurfs on my olympic feed - does BBC support html5?
[11:08] <oimon> ah, it's the pepper flash that plays stuf too fast in chrome
[11:08] <oimon> disabled it, and enabled regular flash instead
[11:38]  * oimon bags a few outlook.com addresses
[11:39] <daubers> oimon: restarting your spam empire?
[11:40] <oimon> interestingly, fredbloggs is taken , but you can get fred.bloggs
[11:40] <oimon> unlike googe
[11:42] <oimon> so if you bag fbloggs, you should also try f.bloggs
[11:42] <oimon> you can add an alias
[11:42] <oimon> so multiple accounts are not necessary
[12:04] <jacobw> what is outlook.com?
[12:05] <DJones> jacobw: hotmail.com with a new curtains
[12:05] <jacobw> does it support IMAP?
[12:06] <jacobw> the last time i checked, hotmail didn't support IMAP :(
[12:09] <zleap> that is to stop you using basic outlook type program with hotmail or something
[12:09] <zleap> either that or MS are not capable of writing software to support solid standards
[12:09]  * jacobw sees that the skype acquisition has now been utilised
[12:10] <zleap> yeah got it running now
[12:11] <zleap> skype that is
[12:11] <jacobw> microsoft is one of the companies most capable of writing software to support whatever they want to support
[12:11] <zleap> i was joking,  however it took tham years to write a browser to support proper html standards
[12:11] <zleap> hence you had issues with web pages not working properly
[12:11] <jacobw> they don't make life difficult because they're not capable of making it easy, see active directory, it's very easy.
[12:20] <christel> rawr
[12:45] <oimon> found out that the fix for the smurf bug is simply to disable hardware accel
[12:58]  * bigcalm back flips into his office chair
[13:00] <Dave2> mmhm
[13:00] <oimon> 5.6
[13:01] <bigcalm> \o/
[13:02] <christel> :o
[13:02]  * Flashtek pushes bigcalm's char down the corridor
[13:03] <bigcalm> Weeeeeeee
[13:49] <christel> 7msg bigcalm http://soundcloud.com/kapslap/nothing-inside-molly
[13:49] <christel> er
[13:49] <christel> hello norwegian keyboard layout of fail
[13:49]  * christel swaps back to Normal
[13:49] <bigcalm> Hehe
[13:50]  * bigcalm toe-taps
[13:51] <christel> just help me find molly alright? :P
[13:51] <bigcalm> Hehe
[13:52] <bigcalm> Molly sounds like a drug
[13:53] <christel> yes! find me some drugs!
[13:53] <bigcalm> :O
[13:53] <christel> or just help me find molly..
[13:53] <christel> P
[13:53] <christel> :P
[13:53]  * bigcalm makes christel a coffee
[13:53] <christel> mmmcoffeee
[13:55] <christel> it is SO quiet
[13:56] <bigcalm> shhh shhh
[14:05] <czajkowski> any UML folks in here?
[14:06] <bigcalm> I subscribe, but I doubt that's what you mean
[14:07] <czajkowski> do you group them into fewer general steps and then expand them into a class diagram
[14:07] <oimon> http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2012-08-01/video-of-boris-stuck-on-a-zip-wire/
[14:07] <oimon> made me laugh
[14:08] <bigcalm> UML != Ubuntu Mail List?
[14:09] <shauno> I always thought it was usermode linux, but I'm not sure that's still 'a thing'
[14:11] <czajkowski> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Modeling_Language
[14:11] <czajkowski> !UML
[14:13] <jacobw> umbrello
[14:13] <christel> should i go watch the new batman film?
[14:13] <christel> ON MY OWN?!
[14:14] <czajkowski> christel: I did the other night
[14:14] <christel> i have never been to the movies on my own :o
[14:15] <christel> is it scary? :D
[14:16] <czajkowski> eh no
[14:16] <czajkowski> you loon
[14:17] <christel> haha
[14:17] <christel> <3
[14:18] <davmor2> christel: the only scary bit is if you sit next to a weirdo, mind you it's all perspective they might think you are the weirdo
[14:18] <christel> hahaha
[14:20] <Pendulum> christel: go for it :)
[14:25] <gord> going to the movies on your own isn't strange, its such a solitary activity anyway no matter if you go with anyone else or not
[14:25] <gord> soon as the lights dim its just you and the film
[14:26] <christel> the c64 is 30 years old today (it was my first computer too) -- can i celebrate this with cake?
[14:26] <christel> CAKE
[14:26] <directhex> celebrate every day... with cake!
[14:27] <Pendulum> christel: cake is appropriate for all occasions
[14:28] <christel> mmmcake
[14:28] <czajkowski> we're having cake
[14:29] <czajkowski> penguins on top
[14:29] <czajkowski> carrot cake in the middle
[14:29] <czajkowski> http://ubuntuone.com/68uEJhilNxgeWBsiFbaBwj  <--- yummy
[14:29] <christel> OMNOMNOM
[14:30] <czajkowski> no herrings :)
[14:30] <christel> aw :(
[14:30] <christel> herring cake is MY FAVOURITE
[14:32] <christel> i just realised i've forgotten to eat today
[14:32] <christel> maybe i should have breakfast (cake!)
[15:03] <jacobw> is there a mature wiki project with a better permissions implementation than mediawiki?
[15:04] <jacobw> mediawiki's permissions extensions are inconsistent and odd
[15:13] <directhex> mediawiki doesn't believe in your fascist "permissions"
[15:13] <directhex> it believes in freedom for all!
[15:14] <daubers> comrade directhex has the correct idea! Come the revolution the people will have the power of the wiki!
[15:14] <daubers> That or mediawiki's permissions system is a stick with "Don't do it again" written on it to beat people with
[15:15] <bigcalm> dd-wrt - can I not enable a port forward for a specific incoming IP address?
[15:19] <ali1234> dd-wrt is a gui enabled firmware for noobs. so no.
[15:19] <ali1234> try openwrt instead
[15:26] <bigcalm> ali1234: maybe not ready? http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt320n
[15:30] <bigcalm> What's the word on the street about TomatoUSB?
[15:31] <diplo> guys and girls
[15:31] <diplo> Better to use /usr/bin/env perl or /usr/bin/perll ?
[15:31] <diplo> -l
[15:32] <diplo> I'm seeing both used a lot recently and not sure whats best practise ?
[15:32] <AlanBell> /usr/bin/env {perl/python} is supposed to be better
[15:32] <diplo> I can see it being more transportable to different sites/machines
[15:32] <AlanBell> slightly more cross platform apparently
[15:32] <diplo> yeah
[15:33]  * diplo goes with that. I think i'd made my decision, just wanted someone to agree :D
[15:38] <jacobw> bigcalm: i've just acquired a linksys wrt54gl
[15:38] <jacobw> bigcalm: 802.1x on my home network \o/
[15:40] <christel> i er.. wow
[15:40] <Dave2> do you now
[15:42] <christel> Dave2: yes!
[15:42] <christel> omnomdebonbon clearly cant work out whether to stay or go
[15:42] <Dave2> indeed
[15:45] <christel> can i BAN HIM FROM TTHE INETRNETS?
[15:46] <christel> bigcalm is very odd/
[15:47] <bigcalm> I'm odd eh? :P
[15:47] <christel> yes!
[15:47] <christel> :P
[15:47] <Dave2> I'm even.
[15:47] <christel> why excellent!
[15:52] <gord> i agree with the assement of bigcalm
[15:52] <bigcalm> Thanks!
[15:52]  * christel tickles gord 
[15:54] <christel> pretty Pendulum! join bigcalm and i on google hangout (so that i can perv over you whilst drinking beer)
[15:56] <Pendulum> christel: I don't look all that great today, but I'll come hang out anyway
[15:57] <christel> woop!
[15:57] <christel> you always look great!
[15:59] <christel> \o/
[16:00] <jacobw> kick
[16:01] <christel> jacobw: kick Pendulum ? :o
[16:12]  * AlanBell is having an "oh I will just quickly do .." kind of afternoon, in which nothing turns out quickly
[16:14] <christel> aww
[16:18] <christel> Dave2: you're the (scape)goat
[16:18] <Dave2> I am‽
[16:21]  * lazarus_ got a bit ballsy and bought http://tinyurl.com/bosv52c 
[16:21] <lazarus_> figured why not lol
[16:22] <christel> AlanBell: i am having the sort of day where i am perving over Pendulum \o/
[16:22] <Dave2> :o
[16:23] <Dave2> THE BAND‽
[16:23] <Dave2> Why do I keep using interrobangs today
[16:23]  * Dave2 puts his compose key away
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> Why‽‽‽
[16:24] <Dave2> ⸘I DON'T KNOW‽
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> ⸘MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE AWESOME‽
[16:26] <Dave2> Do you think so‽
[16:48] <christel> Dave2: you're cute.
[16:48] <christel> that is all
[16:48] <christel> i am horny.
[16:48] <christel> (no for real, czajkowski, bigcalm and Pendulum can attest)
[16:48]  * bigcalm tuts
[16:50] <OmNomDeBonBon> I just ate a whole pack of jaffa cakes in like 5 minutes. :|
[16:50] <christel> OMNOM!
[16:50] <christel> :D
[16:50] <bigcalm> OmNomDeBonBon: did it fix your connection?
[16:50] <christel> it would appear to have done!
[16:50] <christel> :p
[16:51] <OmNomDeBonBon> Suggestion: a more generous flood protection limit so I don't get killed when my client tries to join 25 channels at once because Virgin Media can't code a router OS to save their lives.
[16:51] <OmNomDeBonBon> I was wondering why I was banned from so many channels...
[16:52]  * Dave2 raises an eyebrow
[16:52] <OmNomDeBonBon> bigcalm: not really. I'm going to have to leave some channels to get myself within the flood protection threshold.
[16:53] <OmNomDeBonBon> Dave2, we meet again.
[16:55]  * Dave2 raises the other eyebrow
[16:56] <OmNomDeBonBon> I thought you lost the other eyebrow in that crêpe accident.
[17:04] <christel> AlanBell: what on earth are you doing? that noise is quite scary!
[17:05] <christel> :o
[17:09] <brobostigon> skype on android sucks balls.
[17:10] <brobostigon> surprise.*
[17:14] <christel> yes.
[17:24] <dwatkins> pah, use SIP ;)
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> gtalk++
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> and/or ghangout++
[17:25] <brobostigon> not actually ever tried.
[17:25] <dwatkins> does gtalk on Android have voice?
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> it does on modern phones
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> (Nexus S and on)
[17:26] <dwatkins> hmm, I wonder why mine doesn't, then
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: which one do you have?
[17:26] <brobostigon> experiment?
[17:26] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: CM7 on a HTC Ace
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: ah cm7
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: you need to use a special version of talk on cm7
[17:26] <brobostigon> my nexus7 wouls work then?
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it should yes
[17:27] <dwatkins> oh right, I'll look into that, thanks MartijnVdS
[17:27] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: cool :)
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: my xoom and Galaxy Nexus do
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> Voice & video calling through gtalk.. though they're replacing that with hangouts now
[17:27] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: is it 4.1 or 4 specific?
[17:28] <brobostigon> agreed.
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: It was on the Nexus S, so I think it was in 2.2 even
[17:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: interesting, the right hw being present aldo.
[17:28] <brobostigon> also *
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: there should be a camera icon next to your contact names if they support video chat
[17:29] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: let me look.
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> and if you open one, there's a microphone icon at the top for voice calling
[17:29] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: in 2.3.7 on my dream, no.
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> isn't that one of the very first phones?
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> Because if it's not Nexus One or newer, you're not going to get it :(
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> (thank Google)
[17:30] <brobostigon> yep. the first. adp1.
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> btw, tonight on the BBC4s: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074pz0
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> and http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hlkcq
[17:30] <brobostigon> :)
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[17:31] <brobostigon> marked 12 hourd ago, :)
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> time for fewds
[17:32] <brobostigon> thts wrong, it was last night.
[17:33] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i think this is a good time to upgrade from my htc dream, if i can get the money.
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: rumours of a new Nexus phone at christmas
[17:42] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes,
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> So.. be very nice and maybe Santa..
[17:42] <brobostigon> :)
[18:06] <OmNomDeBonBon> MartijnVdS: I would expect nothing less than a new Nexus phone at Christmas.
[18:06] <OmNomDeBonBon> They'll need an Android 5.0 reference device.
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDeBonBon: Nexus S to Galaxy Nexus took longer than that
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDeBonBon: Android 5 won't come for at least a year.. 4.1 just came out and they want to slow down the release pace
[18:09] <OmNomDeBonBon> 4.1 was a piffling minor release.
[18:09] <OmNomDeBonBon> You can compare it to 3.0 --> 3.1 --> 3.2.
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> the upgraded notifications are nice
[18:10] <jacobw> does anyone know much about zabbix agent? i'm not finding much explanation of it in plain view
[18:10] <OmNomDeBonBon> Additionally, they'll want a new reference device to compete against the new iPhone - even though the S3 and One X will probably better phones, they need a new product to showcase the new OS.
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: I know a few of our sysadmins went on expensive training courses
[18:10] <OmNomDeBonBon> MartijnVdS: the N7 is one of the best gadgets I've ever bought.
[18:10] <OmNomDeBonBon> Only issue is the lack of removable storage.
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDeBonBon: Can't buy it in NL yet :(
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> I have a Xoom and a GNEx and my old Nexus One with CM7
[18:11] <OmNomDeBonBon> Unfortunately there's no good cellular-enabled Android tablet yet.
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> cellular-enabled = expensive second plan
[18:11] <OmNomDeBonBon> Not in my country.
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> Good thing I have a mifi :P
[18:12] <OmNomDeBonBon> Giffgaff (sp?) in the UK do unlimited internet and 200 minutes for £10/mo.
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDeBonBon: I know, but I'm in the Netherlands
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDeBonBon: and unlimited internet is only for DSL/fibre/cable
[18:13] <Seeker`> Azelphur: hows your sale going?
[18:13] <OmNomDeBonBon> You don't have unlimited 3G internets?
[18:13] <OmNomDeBonBon> How rare.
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDeBonBon: not anymore.. since Vodafone complained unlimited internet was being used too much (wut)
[18:13] <OmNomDeBonBon> I've had "unlimited" mobile data for two and a half years now.
[18:13] <OmNomDeBonBon> Vodjafjone.
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDeBonBon: it was "Unlimited*" (* except when we decide it's not)
[18:13] <OmNomDeBonBon> I rarely use more than 200-300mb a month of my 3gb allowance.
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDeBonBon: then all other phone companies followed
[18:14] <OmNomDeBonBon> That's 3gb of fair use.
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> same here
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> but.. I get a free second SIM from my employer/land-line ISP with 1GB allowance.. so that goes in the mifi
[18:14] <OmNomDeBonBon> But yeah I'd like a 3G tablet so I don't have to tether my tablet all the time.
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> Mifi -> Kindle, Xoom, [sometimes phone] -> Boom!
[18:14] <OmNomDeBonBon> TBH, I just want a Surface Pro with 3G/4G...but the cellular models won't be out until next year.
[18:15] <OmNomDeBonBon> Surface RT is out in October, Surface Pro a few months later. Both are wifi-only.
[18:15] <OmNomDeBonBon> I just want a Windows tablet I can use as a laptop ffs.
[18:15]  * brobostigon requests sponsorship for purchase, prior, to said release of new nexus phone, as MartijnVdS described.
[18:16] <OmNomDeBonBon> I have a sneaking suspicion the 3G/4G Surface tablets will ship with Haswell, not Ivy Bridge.
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDeBonBon: I read somewhere that "Surface will have as much impact as the Zune"
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Buy put options on facebook stock ;)
[18:17] <OmNomDeBonBon> Nah, the Zune and Kin were obvious duds.
[18:17] <OmNomDeBonBon> Surface will dominate the high-end of the tablet market IMO.
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: or apple stock (and sell after iphone5 is announced)
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDeBonBon: they can't even get it to run in demo..
[18:18] <OmNomDeBonBon> I think Android will dominate the 7" space.
[18:18] <OmNomDeBonBon> Didn't Stevie J have problems when they first presented the iPhone?
[18:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i dont understand. soryr
[18:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i dont understand. sorry.
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Apple stock tends to increase in price after big announcements, so if you buy it now (cheap) and iphone5 is announced next month, you'll gain money
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Put options are a way of betting stock prices will drop (which they will, for facebook)
[18:20] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i have no interest in apple hw, with current IOS implementation on them.
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you're not buying apple hardware
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> you're buying a piece of the company (which will increase in value, after which you can sell it again)
[18:21] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: the hw spec, seems good, however.
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> if the rumours are true, yes.. it looks great :)
[18:22] <brobostigon> fail*
[18:22] <brobostigon> hmmm,
[18:22] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: so what is going to change in IOS then?
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I don't know, but the rumour sites do 8-)
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I've seen some hardware predictions (larger screen, "retina" resolution, etc.)
[18:23] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i dont believe it myself.
[18:23] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: sorry, I didn't catch the response
[18:23] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: are they happier for it? :)
[18:24] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: I'm a little suspicious of 'Our software is AWESOME, come to $STATE and learn all about it'
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: they're using Nagios now.. does that help?
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> though I think they still use zabbix for some corner cases
[18:26] <jacobw> yeah, it seems the everyone uses nagios in some capacity
[18:34] <OmNomDeBonBon> "<brobostigon> MartijnVdS: so what is going to change in IOS then?" Apple are going to innovate a new tech to speed up iOS even more. It's called Project Margarine.
[18:34] <brobostigon> haha, lol
[18:43] <christel> rawr
[18:44] <brobostigon> RAWR
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDeBonBon: Low-fat!
[19:46]  * bigcalm slumps
[19:49]  * jacobw prods bigcalm 
[19:49] <bigcalm> Meh
[19:51] <jacobw> kde 4.9 is out
[20:24] <ali1234> so this chromebox has two display ports and if you pick the wrong one you get nothing
[20:24] <ali1234> nice design there
[20:25] <ali1234> also my wireless keyboard and mouse don't work with it
[20:25] <ali1234> (they work fine with linux)
[20:27] <ali1234> lame.
[20:31] <ali1234> i'm just sitting here going "wat?" and hitting keys like i imagine someone who would actually buy one of these would
[20:36] <ali1234> http://code.google.com/p/chromium-os/issues/detail?id=31607
[20:37] <ali1234> great, so they don't build in any HID quirks stuff by default
[20:45] <ali1234> argh. so *after* you get a new keyboard and get past the "setup keyboard" screen, *then* it downloads the updates that (in theory) will fix your keyboard
[21:13] <ali1234> this reminds me a lot of OS X
[21:15] <ali1234> that's probably because none of the software i use is available and the mouse pointer moves incredibly slowly
[21:27] <ali1234> oh nice, it has a built in speaker.... wait that's not nice, it's terrible
[21:34] <ali1234> youtube video playback quality is awful :(
[21:40] <ali1234> bored now. basically chromebox = a computer that doesn't do anything
[21:41] <christel> BASICALLY
[21:42] <yothsoggoth> Sounds like you should've done that review on a podcast, would've been funny
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> Today's Top Tip: Don't enable -proposed on quantal if you want working X
[21:50] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRveuk_4Or0
[22:25] <christel> rawr
[22:25] <christel> goooooodnight my pretties <3
[22:25] <brobostigon> RAWR