[05:52] good morning [06:11] 4/1 [06:11] er [07:21] Morning [07:29] morning [07:31] morning all [07:39] morning [07:45] morning [07:45] good morning everyone. [07:46] morning alan, brobo, daubers! [07:46] morning hoover [07:48] morning [07:48] morning jacobw [07:48] * jacobw welcomes hoover to #ubuntu-uk [07:49] how's it going brobostigon? [07:50] jacobw: not so hot, but on the mend. and you? [07:50] i'm very well thanks :) [07:50] http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/07/31/1831233/fedora-18-to-feature-the-gnome2-fork-mate [07:50] i think this is not good [07:51] :) [07:52] thx jacobw [07:52] cool. i just asked google if it is going to be cold today, and it replied clearly no. [07:52] i've misunderstood, they're packaging MATE, which is good [07:52] google now* [08:02] "They're featuring Gnome 2, mate" [08:02] brobostigon: cool [08:10] MartijnVdS: thats what i thought. [08:17] Good morning all! :) [08:17] morning JamesTait :) [08:21] brobostigon: o/ [08:22] Morning peeps [08:25] mate is like cinnamon but without the nice bits, right? [08:32] merry mailman day to one and all [08:37] * bigcalm grumbles [08:38] I need to tell our LUG admin to remove plain text password from the reminder emails :( [08:40] mailman will do that [08:42] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk see warning about not using a valuable password [08:42] Indeed, yet it can be disabled [08:43] I can't remember the last time I got a reminder email from the Ubuntu UK loco [08:50] oh, we probably don't have that turned on, but I presume if you request your password to be sent then it will do [08:53] Not a good system imo :) [08:58] What would cause a mysql table to crash? [09:05] bigcalm: corrupt ? [09:06] If so shutting down during queries [09:06] That's the only personal experience I've had, used to have aserver that hard locked occasionally and had to repair tables after each time [09:07] diplo: there's no reason for mysql to have done that on this client's server. The server also has an uptime of 127 days [09:08] Using repair table worked, but reduced the number of rows from 49 to 48, no idea what data was lost :) [09:08] mysqld been running along time as well, or could that have crashed [09:08] Ah [09:08] Fun [09:12] * bigcalm drags the company into modern times [09:12] Have set up gitlab for us to use instead of Subversion [09:20] anyone who uses cyanogen know how to disable the vibrate when you pwoer off? [09:20] it wakes up my wife when i read late in bed [09:23] oimon: she sounds touchy ;-) [09:24] bigcalm: out of memory situation? [09:25] hoover: a possibility. It's a shared machine as far as I know [09:26] bigcalm: you should be able to find something in dmesg if that should have been the case [09:28] -bash: /sbin/dmesg: Permission denied [09:28] Didn't think I would have access [09:32] you don't have root? [09:33] hoover, my wife is not the tablet :P [09:34] the tablet makes a loud buzz as it powers off, as does my phone [09:35] oimon: Wow, that seems extremely loud then [09:44] hoover: no :) Not all of our clients have hosting which gives some complete control of their machines. Sometimes we're lucky to get SSH :| [09:44] Though, those tend to be smaller companies [09:44] Anyone know how to grab home dir in php ? [09:45] If possible, $_SERVER stores document_root [09:45] just wondering if there is a simple way to grab users homedir [09:45] diplo: have a look in $ENV [09:45] k ta [09:46] Erm, $_ENV [09:46] Same as $_SERVER :/ [09:47] Will keep looking [09:47] diplo: have a look at getenv(); [09:47] http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19055707 [09:47] Nice [09:48] chrome + flash = super fast videos :( [09:49] $thing + flash = :( [09:50] diplo: getenv('HOME') [09:50] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19076244 weird - article does not explain why they weren't trying [09:51] ah, from another article Both pairs were already through to the quarter-finals with the winners to face China's Tian Quing and Zhao Yunlei. [09:52] lol, i am just watching the news, and apparently last night, two badmington teams, tried to purposly not win. very weird. [09:52] brobostigon, see my comment ^^ [09:52] bigcalm: Does return anything here, most succesful option so far is get_current_user() [09:52] And hope the setup is always /home [09:53] :) [09:53] oimon: ah, yes. [09:53] Doesn't* [09:53] diplo: ho hum [09:53] Works here :S [09:53] I guess HOME is defined in Ubuntu 12.04 [09:54] ~ is always the homedir [09:54] heh, I'm developing on ubuntu but hadn't tested there.. trying to get round a shared host issue [09:54] How bad is it to do ../ from doc_root ? [09:55] getenv doesn't work on my 12.04 box ? [09:55] just tested [09:56] from the CLI doesn't work? [09:57] Nope [09:58] Goodness === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:00] running remmina, my dock shows the brasero icon, weird [10:01] morning all, czajkowski prod [10:02] OK, get_current_user() will have to suffice till i sit down and write something better :) [10:03] Morning davmor2 [10:06] davmor2: ello [10:10] morning bigcalm czajkowski how are you both? [10:11] davmor2: Still waking up [10:12] davmor2: grand thank [10:12] s [10:12] bigcalm: still! you idle turnip [10:12] It's what I get for working late [10:13] czajkowski: I didn't ask how much you'd be worth on the open market :P glad to hear you're both good anyway :) [10:24] can anyone help me troubleshoot a networking issue [10:24] massive latency: http://dpaste.com/779292/ [10:24] from the router things look ok [10:24] bigcalm: how you finding the new version of skype? [10:25] davmor2: hasn't crashed on me yet :) [10:26] bigcalm: well that's a good start I guess :) [10:26] Indeed [10:27] geez stoopid summer holidays. the kids outside have bikes but all they do is go in a circle in the little shared outside bit there. why even have a bike at all?! [10:28] andylockran: Can see on @ 113ms [10:28] Or are you meaning the *'s ? [10:31] tje *s? [10:32] root@sauron:/var/log# ping bbc.co.uk [10:32] PING bbc.co.uk (212.58.241.131) 56(84) bytes of data. [10:32] 64 bytes from 212.58.241.131: icmp_req=1 ttl=245 time=48.4 ms [10:32] 64 bytes from 212.58.241.131: icmp_req=2 ttl=245 time=52.8 ms [10:32] ^C64 bytes from 212.58.241.131: icmp_req=4 ttl=245 time=13.0 ms [10:32] --- bbc.co.uk ping statistics --- [10:32] 4 packets transmitted, 3 received, 25% packet loss, time 11135ms [10:32] rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 13.026/38.077/52.806/17.805 ms [10:32] !paste | andylockran [10:32] andylockran: Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [10:40] andylockran: Just one thing I've come across before is that Linux uses UDP for traceroute and windows uses ICMP [10:40] And other setups do things differently so you can get different results [10:40] Some routes don't allow icmp/udp [10:40] man traceroute you can see all the options [10:55] ok, ewl [10:57] ok, ewl [10:58] ok, ewl [10:59] ok, ewl [11:02] \o/ First Gold Medal for GB [11:02] rowing? [11:02] Yep [11:02] yay [11:06] i've got smurfs on my olympic feed - does BBC support html5? [11:08] ah, it's the pepper flash that plays stuf too fast in chrome [11:08] disabled it, and enabled regular flash instead [11:38] * oimon bags a few outlook.com addresses [11:39] oimon: restarting your spam empire? [11:40] interestingly, fredbloggs is taken , but you can get fred.bloggs [11:40] unlike googe [11:42] so if you bag fbloggs, you should also try f.bloggs [11:42] you can add an alias [11:42] so multiple accounts are not necessary [12:04] what is outlook.com? [12:05] jacobw: hotmail.com with a new curtains [12:05] does it support IMAP? [12:06] the last time i checked, hotmail didn't support IMAP :( [12:09] that is to stop you using basic outlook type program with hotmail or something [12:09] either that or MS are not capable of writing software to support solid standards [12:09] * jacobw sees that the skype acquisition has now been utilised [12:10] yeah got it running now [12:11] skype that is [12:11] microsoft is one of the companies most capable of writing software to support whatever they want to support [12:11] i was joking, however it took tham years to write a browser to support proper html standards [12:11] hence you had issues with web pages not working properly [12:11] they don't make life difficult because they're not capable of making it easy, see active directory, it's very easy. [12:20] rawr [12:45] found out that the fix for the smurf bug is simply to disable hardware accel [12:58] * bigcalm back flips into his office chair [13:00] mmhm [13:00] 5.6 [13:01] \o/ [13:02] :o [13:02] * Flashtek pushes bigcalm's char down the corridor [13:03] Weeeeeeee [13:49] 7msg bigcalm http://soundcloud.com/kapslap/nothing-inside-molly [13:49] er [13:49] hello norwegian keyboard layout of fail [13:49] * christel swaps back to Normal [13:49] Hehe [13:50] * bigcalm toe-taps [13:51] just help me find molly alright? :P [13:51] Hehe [13:52] Molly sounds like a drug [13:53] yes! find me some drugs! [13:53] :O [13:53] or just help me find molly.. [13:53] P [13:53] :P [13:53] * bigcalm makes christel a coffee [13:53] mmmcoffeee [13:55] it is SO quiet [13:56] shhh shhh [14:05] any UML folks in here? [14:06] I subscribe, but I doubt that's what you mean [14:07] do you group them into fewer general steps and then expand them into a class diagram [14:07] http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2012-08-01/video-of-boris-stuck-on-a-zip-wire/ [14:07] made me laugh [14:08] UML != Ubuntu Mail List? [14:09] I always thought it was usermode linux, but I'm not sure that's still 'a thing' [14:11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Modeling_Language [14:11] !UML [14:13] umbrello [14:13] should i go watch the new batman film? [14:13] ON MY OWN?! [14:14] christel: I did the other night [14:14] i have never been to the movies on my own :o [14:15] is it scary? :D [14:16] eh no [14:16] you loon [14:17] haha [14:17] <3 [14:18] christel: the only scary bit is if you sit next to a weirdo, mind you it's all perspective they might think you are the weirdo [14:18] hahaha [14:20] christel: go for it :) [14:25] going to the movies on your own isn't strange, its such a solitary activity anyway no matter if you go with anyone else or not [14:25] soon as the lights dim its just you and the film [14:26] the c64 is 30 years old today (it was my first computer too) -- can i celebrate this with cake? [14:26] CAKE [14:26] celebrate every day... with cake! [14:27] christel: cake is appropriate for all occasions [14:28] mmmcake [14:28] we're having cake [14:29] penguins on top [14:29] carrot cake in the middle [14:29] http://ubuntuone.com/68uEJhilNxgeWBsiFbaBwj <--- yummy [14:29] OMNOMNOM [14:30] no herrings :) [14:30] aw :( [14:30] herring cake is MY FAVOURITE [14:32] i just realised i've forgotten to eat today [14:32] maybe i should have breakfast (cake!) === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan === rastamouse is now known as nothingspecial [15:03] is there a mature wiki project with a better permissions implementation than mediawiki? [15:04] mediawiki's permissions extensions are inconsistent and odd [15:13] mediawiki doesn't believe in your fascist "permissions" [15:13] it believes in freedom for all! [15:14] comrade directhex has the correct idea! Come the revolution the people will have the power of the wiki! [15:14] That or mediawiki's permissions system is a stick with "Don't do it again" written on it to beat people with [15:15] dd-wrt - can I not enable a port forward for a specific incoming IP address? [15:19] dd-wrt is a gui enabled firmware for noobs. so no. [15:19] try openwrt instead [15:26] ali1234: maybe not ready? http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt320n === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:30] What's the word on the street about TomatoUSB? [15:31] guys and girls [15:31] Better to use /usr/bin/env perl or /usr/bin/perll ? [15:31] -l [15:32] I'm seeing both used a lot recently and not sure whats best practise ? [15:32] /usr/bin/env {perl/python} is supposed to be better [15:32] I can see it being more transportable to different sites/machines [15:32] slightly more cross platform apparently [15:32] yeah [15:33] * diplo goes with that. I think i'd made my decision, just wanted someone to agree :D [15:38] bigcalm: i've just acquired a linksys wrt54gl [15:38] bigcalm: 802.1x on my home network \o/ [15:40] i er.. wow [15:40] do you now [15:42] Dave2: yes! [15:42] omnomdebonbon clearly cant work out whether to stay or go [15:42] indeed [15:45] can i BAN HIM FROM TTHE INETRNETS? [15:46] bigcalm is very odd/ [15:47] I'm odd eh? :P [15:47] yes! [15:47] :P [15:47] I'm even. [15:47] why excellent! [15:52] i agree with the assement of bigcalm [15:52] Thanks! [15:52] * christel tickles gord [15:54] pretty Pendulum! join bigcalm and i on google hangout (so that i can perv over you whilst drinking beer) [15:56] christel: I don't look all that great today, but I'll come hang out anyway [15:57] woop! [15:57] you always look great! [15:59] \o/ [16:00] kick [16:01] jacobw: kick Pendulum ? :o [16:12] * AlanBell is having an "oh I will just quickly do .." kind of afternoon, in which nothing turns out quickly [16:14] aww [16:18] Dave2: you're the (scape)goat [16:18] I am‽ [16:21] * lazarus_ got a bit ballsy and bought http://tinyurl.com/bosv52c [16:21] figured why not lol [16:22] AlanBell: i am having the sort of day where i am perving over Pendulum \o/ [16:22] :o [16:23] THE BAND‽ [16:23] Why do I keep using interrobangs today [16:23] * Dave2 puts his compose key away [16:24] Why‽‽‽ [16:24] ⸘I DON'T KNOW‽ [16:25] ⸘MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE AWESOME‽ [16:26] Do you think so‽ === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan [16:48] Dave2: you're cute. [16:48] that is all [16:48] i am horny. [16:48] (no for real, czajkowski, bigcalm and Pendulum can attest) [16:48] * bigcalm tuts [16:50] I just ate a whole pack of jaffa cakes in like 5 minutes. :| [16:50] OMNOM! [16:50] :D [16:50] OmNomDeBonBon: did it fix your connection? [16:50] it would appear to have done! [16:50] :p [16:51] Suggestion: a more generous flood protection limit so I don't get killed when my client tries to join 25 channels at once because Virgin Media can't code a router OS to save their lives. [16:51] I was wondering why I was banned from so many channels... === zz_diddledan is now known as diddledan [16:52] * Dave2 raises an eyebrow [16:52] bigcalm: not really. I'm going to have to leave some channels to get myself within the flood protection threshold. [16:53] Dave2, we meet again. [16:55] * Dave2 raises the other eyebrow [16:56] I thought you lost the other eyebrow in that crêpe accident. === diddledan is now known as zz_diddledan [17:04] AlanBell: what on earth are you doing? that noise is quite scary! [17:05] :o [17:09] skype on android sucks balls. [17:10] surprise.* [17:14] yes. [17:24] pah, use SIP ;) [17:24] gtalk++ [17:25] and/or ghangout++ [17:25] not actually ever tried. [17:25] does gtalk on Android have voice? [17:26] it does on modern phones [17:26] (Nexus S and on) [17:26] hmm, I wonder why mine doesn't, then [17:26] dwatkins: which one do you have? [17:26] experiment? [17:26] MartijnVdS: CM7 on a HTC Ace [17:26] dwatkins: ah cm7 [17:26] dwatkins: you need to use a special version of talk on cm7 [17:26] my nexus7 wouls work then? [17:26] brobostigon: it should yes [17:27] oh right, I'll look into that, thanks MartijnVdS [17:27] MartijnVdS: cool :) [17:27] brobostigon: my xoom and Galaxy Nexus do [17:27] Voice & video calling through gtalk.. though they're replacing that with hangouts now [17:27] MartijnVdS: is it 4.1 or 4 specific? [17:28] agreed. [17:28] brobostigon: It was on the Nexus S, so I think it was in 2.2 even [17:28] MartijnVdS: interesting, the right hw being present aldo. [17:28] also * [17:29] brobostigon: there should be a camera icon next to your contact names if they support video chat [17:29] MartijnVdS: let me look. [17:29] and if you open one, there's a microphone icon at the top for voice calling [17:29] MartijnVdS: in 2.3.7 on my dream, no. [17:30] isn't that one of the very first phones? [17:30] Because if it's not Nexus One or newer, you're not going to get it :( [17:30] (thank Google) [17:30] yep. the first. adp1. [17:30] btw, tonight on the BBC4s: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074pz0 [17:30] and http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hlkcq [17:30] :) [17:31] :) [17:31] marked 12 hourd ago, :) [17:32] time for fewds [17:32] thts wrong, it was last night. [17:33] MartijnVdS: i think this is a good time to upgrade from my htc dream, if i can get the money. [17:41] brobostigon: rumours of a new Nexus phone at christmas [17:42] MartijnVdS: yes, [17:42] So.. be very nice and maybe Santa.. [17:42] :) [18:06] MartijnVdS: I would expect nothing less than a new Nexus phone at Christmas. [18:06] They'll need an Android 5.0 reference device. [18:06] OmNomDeBonBon: Nexus S to Galaxy Nexus took longer than that [18:07] OmNomDeBonBon: Android 5 won't come for at least a year.. 4.1 just came out and they want to slow down the release pace [18:09] 4.1 was a piffling minor release. [18:09] You can compare it to 3.0 --> 3.1 --> 3.2. [18:09] the upgraded notifications are nice [18:10] does anyone know much about zabbix agent? i'm not finding much explanation of it in plain view [18:10] Additionally, they'll want a new reference device to compete against the new iPhone - even though the S3 and One X will probably better phones, they need a new product to showcase the new OS. [18:10] jacobw: I know a few of our sysadmins went on expensive training courses [18:10] MartijnVdS: the N7 is one of the best gadgets I've ever bought. [18:10] Only issue is the lack of removable storage. [18:10] OmNomDeBonBon: Can't buy it in NL yet :( [18:10] I have a Xoom and a GNEx and my old Nexus One with CM7 [18:11] Unfortunately there's no good cellular-enabled Android tablet yet. [18:11] cellular-enabled = expensive second plan [18:11] Not in my country. [18:11] Good thing I have a mifi :P [18:12] Giffgaff (sp?) in the UK do unlimited internet and 200 minutes for £10/mo. [18:12] OmNomDeBonBon: I know, but I'm in the Netherlands [18:12] OmNomDeBonBon: and unlimited internet is only for DSL/fibre/cable [18:13] Azelphur: hows your sale going? [18:13] You don't have unlimited 3G internets? [18:13] How rare. [18:13] OmNomDeBonBon: not anymore.. since Vodafone complained unlimited internet was being used too much (wut) [18:13] I've had "unlimited" mobile data for two and a half years now. [18:13] Vodjafjone. [18:13] OmNomDeBonBon: it was "Unlimited*" (* except when we decide it's not) [18:13] I rarely use more than 200-300mb a month of my 3gb allowance. [18:13] OmNomDeBonBon: then all other phone companies followed [18:14] That's 3gb of fair use. [18:14] same here [18:14] but.. I get a free second SIM from my employer/land-line ISP with 1GB allowance.. so that goes in the mifi [18:14] But yeah I'd like a 3G tablet so I don't have to tether my tablet all the time. [18:14] Mifi -> Kindle, Xoom, [sometimes phone] -> Boom! [18:14] TBH, I just want a Surface Pro with 3G/4G...but the cellular models won't be out until next year. [18:15] Surface RT is out in October, Surface Pro a few months later. Both are wifi-only. [18:15] I just want a Windows tablet I can use as a laptop ffs. [18:15] * brobostigon requests sponsorship for purchase, prior, to said release of new nexus phone, as MartijnVdS described. [18:16] I have a sneaking suspicion the 3G/4G Surface tablets will ship with Haswell, not Ivy Bridge. [18:16] OmNomDeBonBon: I read somewhere that "Surface will have as much impact as the Zune" [18:17] brobostigon: Buy put options on facebook stock ;) [18:17] Nah, the Zune and Kin were obvious duds. [18:17] Surface will dominate the high-end of the tablet market IMO. [18:17] brobostigon: or apple stock (and sell after iphone5 is announced) [18:18] OmNomDeBonBon: they can't even get it to run in demo.. [18:18] I think Android will dominate the 7" space. [18:18] Didn't Stevie J have problems when they first presented the iPhone? [18:18] MartijnVdS: i dont understand. soryr [18:18] MartijnVdS: i dont understand. sorry. [18:19] brobostigon: Apple stock tends to increase in price after big announcements, so if you buy it now (cheap) and iphone5 is announced next month, you'll gain money [18:19] brobostigon: Put options are a way of betting stock prices will drop (which they will, for facebook) [18:20] MartijnVdS: i have no interest in apple hw, with current IOS implementation on them. [18:21] brobostigon: you're not buying apple hardware [18:21] you're buying a piece of the company (which will increase in value, after which you can sell it again) [18:21] MartijnVdS: the hw spec, seems good, however. [18:22] if the rumours are true, yes.. it looks great :) [18:22] fail* [18:22] hmmm, [18:22]