| BiosElement | I wonder if it's a bad thing that Fedora seems really attractive to me right now... | 02:36 |
|---|---|---|
| Unit193 | ...Just after I read about it having mate. | 02:40 |
| BiosElement | What about what? >.> | 02:40 |
| BiosElement | Oh yeah, the gnome2 thingy? | 02:40 |
| Unit193 | Yep. | 02:40 |
| BiosElement | I'm a KDE guy myself and was impressed at how responsive it was even on a vbox | 02:41 |
| Unit193 | I'm not a fan of MATE/Gnome2/Unity/Gnome3, but not exactly tried them either. :P | 02:42 |
| BiosElement | Fedora seems to have a somewhat more open community as well. :/ | 02:43 |
| BiosElement | Not to say Ubuntu's closed, but it's better then say Debian. Communities without an enforced Conduct I tend to avoid >.> | 02:43 |
| canthus13 | Meh. the enforced CoC is becoming.. well.. remember what Linus said about monkeys and BSD? | 03:15 |
| BiosElement | canthus13: And without it "You noob, go back to windows!" is the attitude of the day. Which doesn't help anyone. >.> At least there's a recourse and some social pressure to not be an ass to everyone else. | 03:16 |
| canthus13 | True. | 03:16 |
| BiosElement | Not saying it's perfect, but I personally don't like to see people being ridiculed for not knowing everything about the system | 03:17 |
| canthus13 | I'm not saying we don't need it.. I'm just saying some people wield it like a weapon. At least, they did... I've pretty much pulled out of any ubuntu-related things, aside from here and the forbidden ##club-ubuntu, whose very mention will have you banned from certain other official channels. :/ | 03:17 |
| BiosElement | I don't know what's up with that, and also avoid most major channels, but it's good to know someone can't get away with being a total ass on the forums or in #ubuntu | 03:18 |
| canthus13 | O | 03:19 |
| canthus13 | I'm also referring to the changes in the CoC that came up a while back, which basically said 'agree or get out of my clubhouse!' | 03:19 |
| BiosElement | Did they ever sort that mess out? | 03:20 |
| BiosElement | Doesn't appear they merged it. If they ever choose to do so I'd have to step down from any so-called 'leadership' work I do related to it. | 03:27 |
| canthus13 | Ok. | 03:32 |
| * canthus13 shrugs. | 03:32 | |
| canthus13 | I dunno. If I find a community that's less anal about itself, I'll likely jump ship. | 03:33 |
| BiosElement | If fedora didn't use yum/rpm I'd already be there. :/ | 03:33 |
| BiosElement | Debian I'd love to support but the attitudes I've seen running around there make me less then thrilled about needing a hand with 'anything' that breaks. >.> | 03:34 |
| canthus13 | If fedora wasn't redhat based I'd be there already. | 03:34 |
| BiosElement | Nice thing about redhat though is their focus is more on enterprise servers then user desktops. | 03:36 |
| * canthus13 nods. | 03:37 | |
| * canthus13 doesn't need an enterprise server. Debian works fine for his servers. | 03:37 | |
| BiosElement | For my servers I use whatever I'm running on my desktop at the time. :/ Lazy but it makes testing easier | 03:37 |
| canthus13 | Heh. | 03:38 |
| canthus13 | I use Mint on desktops and Debian on servers. | 03:38 |
| BiosElement | I won't touch mint if you paid me. I'm still of the opinion that project steals from whoever they can. The mozilla ad-theft nonsense never did get admitted by them. | 03:39 |
| * canthus13 shrugs. It works, and works well. they've prolly got one of the better implementations of gnome 3 that I've seen. | 03:40 | |
| BiosElement | But then I'm told I hold grudges so that's more me then anything. >.> | 03:40 |
| * canthus13 holds grudges... He still hates the Tigers for beating San Diego. | 03:40 | |
| canthus13 | ....in 1984. | 03:41 |
| BiosElement | hah, For what it's worth, I saw a few benchmarks that gave Fedora about 10-20% speed boost compared to Ubuntu. | 03:41 |
| canthus13 | so it can annoy me faster than ubuntu. :P | 03:41 |
| BiosElement | Exactly! | 03:41 |
| canthus13 | The few times I've tried Fedora it's been a disappointing mess. | 03:42 |
| BiosElement | I was just at PyOhio this weekend and it looked to be the distro of choice around there anyway heh. | 03:42 |
| * canthus13 nods. | 03:42 | |
| BiosElement | I 'can' say I didn't catch a sniff of Unity. :P | 03:43 |
| canthus13 | heh. I still don't like unity. | 03:43 |
| BiosElement | I tried it on my laptop | 03:43 |
| BiosElement | It lasted 24 hours. | 03:43 |
| BiosElement | And this was a full install mind you, not a live disk. | 03:43 |
| canthus13 | heh. | 03:46 |
| canthus13 | I threw it on a VM... it's like... someone took Gnome3 and broke it. | 03:46 |
| BiosElement | To be fair, I tried Gnome 3 for 5 minutes and it seemed the same level of stupidity | 03:47 |
| canthus13 | It is if you use it as-is... Mint's version is nice, if you get rid of the bottom panel and that stupid menu system. | 03:52 |
| BiosElement | Sane defaults would be nice | 03:52 |
| * canthus13 nods. | 03:52 | |
| canthus13 | I still prefer gnome 2, mind you. | 03:53 |
| BiosElement | It wasn't bad. I fell in love with KDE though. | 03:54 |
| thafreak | Is it just me, or is about 98% of all poorly configured mail servers running exchange? | 04:04 |
| thafreak | sure, let me make my email server stupider, and let in more spam, just so I can accept email from brain dead M$ exchange servers | 04:05 |
| thafreak | fuck email | 04:05 |
| canthus13 | Fuck MacMail. :/ | 04:06 |
| thafreak | nah, fuck all of email... | 04:06 |
| Unit193 | BiosElement: I do agree with you there on mint, not touching it other than maybe poking at their Xfce spin, maybe. | 04:06 |
| thafreak | if your business relies on email to survive, spend the money and hire a non-moron...or outsource it so it's some one elses problem | 04:07 |
| BiosElement | thafreak: Agreed | 04:07 |
| thafreak | wait, why you guys anti-mint? | 04:07 |
| * canthus13 isn't. | 04:07 | |
| BiosElement | Unit193: I've poked their KDE spin, it's just a restyled Kubuntu really | 04:07 |
| BiosElement | thafreak: I am because I'm of the opinion they steal from other projects, add little of their own, ignore licenses and then pretend it never happened. But that's me >.> | 04:08 |
| thafreak | so you think they're microsoft? :) | 04:08 |
| BiosElement | thafreak: No, They make microsoft look good at times. | 04:08 |
| thafreak | ouch | 04:08 |
| BiosElement | My bad BTW | 04:12 |
| BiosElement | As of July, They're still hijacking browser search results. | 04:12 |
| dzho | BiosElement: you left out my top beef about mint | 10:22 |
| BiosElement | Oh? | 10:22 |
| dzho | everyone treats them like a distro | 10:22 |
| BiosElement | haha, they claim to be one last I looked. | 10:23 |
| dzho | really? | 10:23 |
| dzho | that is pretty shitty, given they point back to others' repos for most stuff | 10:23 |
| BiosElement | At least Ubuntu is mostly self-hosted >.> | 10:24 |
| dzho | if they ran their own buildd's for everything that'd be different | 10:24 |
| dzho | yeah | 10:24 |
| BiosElement | If I have to ask someone what details they're using with FTP because it keeps telling them to try agian, I'm gonna start writing a browser upload system >.> | 10:43 |
| BiosElement | As amazing as it sounds, "It's broke" is painfully useless to me. | 10:46 |
| dzho | ftp as in port 23? | 13:35 |
| dzho | like, real old-school ftp, instead of sftp? | 13:35 |
| * dzho is uncertain as to what use case for ftp can't be covered by http and sftp/ssh these days. | 13:35 | |
| thafreak | 21 | 13:43 |
| jandrusk | Telnet uses TCP 23, FTP uses 21 and 20. | 13:43 |
| thafreak | here's a use...ftp you can setup non-system, i.e. virtual ftp only users | 13:43 |
| paultag | o/ | 13:43 |
| thafreak | sftp...i haven't found a decent way to do that yet | 13:44 |
| thafreak | plus lots of software supports ftp... | 13:44 |
| thafreak | it's plain and simple | 13:44 |
| thafreak | but if anyone knows how to create virtual sftp users who don't clutter up my password file and can't get a shell or do anything else ssh is capable of, I'm listening | 13:45 |
| thafreak | i know how to do the last part...i found how to force users to only get the sftp binary and never a shell, and to chroot them... | 13:46 |
| jandrusk | You could use vsftpd and leverage LDAP authentication. | 13:47 |
| thafreak | i use pure-ftp...i meant how to do that with sftp | 13:48 |
| jandrusk | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-configure-sshd-to-use-openldap-server.html | 13:50 |
| thafreak | yeah, but that's a hassle too :) ldap is nice for places with lots of machines and all | 13:51 |
| paultag | ldap is great. | 13:51 |
| thafreak | but with pure-ftp, I can have virtual users in a simple text file...a mysql database, etc | 13:51 |
| thafreak | ldap is alright...it's overkill most of the time :) | 13:51 |
| paultag | db.debian.org, bah | 13:52 |
| paultag | brah* | 13:52 |
| paultag | it makes my life so much easier | 13:52 |
| paultag | not only people, but also domain records, machines, etc | 13:52 |
| paultag | it's great | 13:52 |
| thafreak | i know dude...I was setting up ldap servers when you were potty training :) | 13:53 |
| paultag | :| | 13:53 |
| thafreak | and for the record I *hate* ftp... | 13:54 |
| thafreak | well I don't have a problem with it...but I *hate* running it as a service for others | 13:54 |
| thafreak | no one knows how to use it | 13:54 |
| thafreak | NO ONE | 13:54 |
| thafreak | you just get emails all day everyday..."ftp server doesn't work" | 13:54 |
| thafreak | no it does...you're just an idiot | 13:55 |
| thafreak | you can't use internet explorer is all, moron | 13:55 |
| paultag | you can use chrome | 13:55 |
| paultag | or firefox | 13:55 |
| paultag | or opera | 13:55 |
| paultag | or … well … most other browsers | 13:55 |
| thafreak | most don't let you upload... | 13:55 |
| thafreak | and they ALL try to log you in anonymously...and I *always* setup my ftp servers to deny anonymous | 13:56 |
| thafreak | which is where the problems start | 13:56 |
| thafreak | they stick your ftp server info in their browser, which tries anonymous login | 13:56 |
| thafreak | and boom, they get an error | 13:56 |
| thafreak | then the emails start...you'r ftp server doesn't work | 13:57 |
| thafreak | I wish I had all the days back that I wasted tracking down non-existent ftp problems | 13:58 |
| thafreak | so...anyway...sorry to hijack the convo in here | 13:58 |
| thafreak | for the record, I've been trying to push people to use either ajaxplorer or now owncloud | 13:59 |
| thafreak | browser uploads for the masses... | 14:00 |
| thafreak | alright, I'm done bitching...I'll leave now so normal conversation can continue | 14:00 |
| dzho | thafreak: ah, 21 | 16:13 |
| dzho | sign error ;-) | 16:13 |
| dzho | I challenge the idea that ftp is "plain and simple" given that it has this weird two-port, active/passive complexity going on | 16:14 |
| dzho | http is plain and simple | 16:14 |
| dzho | and since you're going to want to chroot your ftp server anyway, why not just chroot your ssh server and put users in the chroot's /etc/passwd? | 16:15 |
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