| inetpro | good mornings | 05:41 |
|---|---|---|
| Squirm | morning | 05:52 |
| Kilos | good morning all | 05:58 |
| Kilos | this be me from unity | 05:58 |
| Kilos | now need to get sound working here | 05:58 |
| Kilos | oh my no top tool bar on xchat | 05:59 |
| Kilos | or pidgin | 06:00 |
| Kilos | bbl lemme try sort this out first | 06:01 |
| charlvn | good morning all | 07:08 |
| charlvn | morning inetpro, Squirm | 07:09 |
| charlvn | Maaz: coffee on\ | 07:09 |
| Maaz | charlvn: Huh? | 07:09 |
| charlvn | Maaz: coffee on | 07:09 |
| * Maaz puts the kettle on | 07:09 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charlvn! | 07:13 |
| Kerbero | Symmetria: nice news http://ht.ly/1lLNjj | 07:14 |
| sflr | good morning guys | 07:37 |
| magespawn | morning all | 07:42 |
| Symmetria | heh Kerbero thanks, its been a mission | 07:42 |
| charlvn | morning Kerbero, sflr, magespawn, Symmetria | 08:48 |
| Kerbero | dag | 08:48 |
| magespawn | hey charlvn | 08:48 |
| charlvn | Symmetria: good work! | 08:49 |
| charlvn | hi psydroid | 08:54 |
| psydroid | hi charlvn | 08:54 |
| smile | hoi allemaal :) | 12:44 |
| smile | Kerbero: hoe gaan dit? :p | 12:44 |
| === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za | ||
| charlvn | hi smile | 13:46 |
| charlvn | Maaz: coffee on | 13:47 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 13:47 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charlvn! | 13:51 |
| Kilos | hiya superfly sflr inetpro nuvolari and other fellas | 13:53 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 13:53 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 13:53 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 13:53 |
| Kilos | lol what you know about unity? | 13:53 |
| Kilos | xchat got no tool bar at the top | 13:53 |
| superfly | Kilos: toolbar? | 13:54 |
| superfly | like, with icons? | 13:54 |
| superfly | or are you talking about the menu? | 13:54 |
| Kilos | ya that think where you get preferences etc | 13:54 |
| Kilos | oh ya menu | 13:54 |
| superfly | Kilos: hover your mouse over the bar at the top of the screen | 13:54 |
| Kilos | oh my | 13:55 |
| Kilos | will pidgin be the same? | 13:55 |
| Kilos | goodness gracious bally dammit me | 13:55 |
| superfly | Kilos: all of them | 13:55 |
| Kilos | ty superfly | 13:55 |
| superfly | np | 13:55 |
| Kilos | maybe ill try a dejadup backup from maverick to see if all my settings arrive | 13:56 |
| sflr | hey Kilos! where you've been? | 14:03 |
| Kilos | lol fighting new pc sflr and unity a bit too | 14:03 |
| Kilos | and sorting a lame sheep | 14:04 |
| Kilos | on and off all day today | 14:04 |
| sflr | busy bee! hehe | 14:04 |
| Kilos | hehe should just cut its throat and put inna pot | 14:05 |
| magespawn | might not be a good idea, until you are sure what caused it to go lame | 14:06 |
| Kilos | lol its them paralysing ticks. found another 4 but on the belly near the wool and normally they around the backside | 14:07 |
| magespawn | if I remember correctly the ticks put out a toxin that causes the paralysis. | 14:09 |
| Kilos | thats it | 14:11 |
| Kilos | but these are black with red/orange legs | 14:11 |
| Kilos | not like the karoo one | 14:11 |
| Kilos | or the ones in northern natal | 14:11 |
| Kilos | flat ticks not like blue ticks | 14:13 |
| magespawn | I did not know about those specific ones. | 14:13 |
| magespawn | are you getting used to unity? | 14:14 |
| Kilos | kinda but not lekker without 9 desktops | 14:15 |
| Trixar_za | I normally only keep 2 around myself | 14:15 |
| Kilos | i used to use 1 workspace each for iftop pidgin mail and xchat | 14:16 |
| Kilos | can i remove the office icons to somewhere else so left panel got more space? | 14:17 |
| Trixar_za | Btw, for weird awesomeness, google The Avalanches - Frontier Psychiatry | 14:17 |
| Kilos | hows things Trixar_za | 14:18 |
| Trixar_za | Slow and a little boring. I could code something in Nimrod to learn the language better, but I'm lazy :P | 14:19 |
| Kilos | hehe | 14:20 |
| Trixar_za | Wait. It was Julius Caeser that accidentally set fire to the Library of Alexandria? | 14:23 |
| Trixar_za | No wonder he got stabbed in the back... and front | 14:23 |
| Kilos | lol | 14:26 |
| Kilos | 8ta 2+1 bundle is a bargain compared to other sp's hey | 14:27 |
| Trixar_za | Yeah | 14:28 |
| Kilos | but what a schlep to get it going. first had to fone them and have the 3g goodie activated on sim | 14:28 |
| Trixar_za | And they take less than what they advertised | 14:28 |
| Trixar_za | Like I bought 100MB for R40 | 14:28 |
| Trixar_za | And they only took R37 | 14:28 |
| Kilos | but its good when needing clean installs and updates and all new packages on a new release | 14:29 |
| Kilos | ya i noticed that too | 14:29 |
| Kilos | R149 was R148 | 14:29 |
| Kilos | lol | 14:29 |
| Kilos | some chappies | 14:30 |
| sflr | CellC cuts data to 15c/MB in and out bundle: http://www.techcentral.co.za/cell-c-takes-knife-to-data-prices/33876/ | 14:30 |
| magespawn | i am out of here, later guys. | 14:31 |
| Trixar_za | Yeah, they also used to have 30c/MB with Virgin | 14:31 |
| Trixar_za | Then they moved it up to 60c/MB | 14:31 |
| Trixar_za | and then without warning and while still advertising it as 60c/MB, they started taking R2,50/MB | 14:32 |
| Trixar_za | ALL while being run by CellC | 14:32 |
| Trixar_za | So guess which network I despise more than any other? | 14:32 |
| Trixar_za | :P | 14:32 |
| Trixar_za | Also that Trevor is a lying idiot with no basis in science at all :/ | 14:32 |
| Trixar_za | The low frequency they're using isn't something new and the range is less than something at a higher frequency. Also it's only 50 higher than the old 900 network the old BRICK phones used. | 14:35 |
| Trixar_za | <rant /> | 14:35 |
| Kilos | no man lower freqs actually do go further but not a 50m diffs | 14:36 |
| Kilos | 14 meg ham frequency goes around the world | 14:37 |
| Kerbero | sometimes | 14:37 |
| Kilos | 27m cdradio up to like 20 ks | 14:37 |
| Kerbero | wow | 14:37 |
| Kilos | ya Kerbero but the there 7m too | 14:37 |
| Kerbero | Kilos, so you are from the Kc days | 14:37 |
| Kilos | lol | 14:38 |
| Kilos | good buddy days | 14:38 |
| Trixar_za | Yes, it goes further, but it loses quality as it goes, so technically you lose information at larger distances | 14:38 |
| Kerbero | kilocycles vs kiloherz | 14:38 |
| Trixar_za | :P | 14:38 |
| Kerbero | o0 | 14:38 |
| Kilos | n o man Trixar_za tv is like 90m i think | 14:39 |
| Kilos | and line of site | 14:39 |
| Kilos | but clear | 14:39 |
| Trixar_za | Yes, but they use repeater towers | 14:39 |
| Trixar_za | Which doesn't count | 14:40 |
| Trixar_za | :p | 14:40 |
| Kilos | ya but our tower here is like 10ks away | 14:40 |
| Trixar_za | The point is, you need more cell towers with lower frequencies to maintain quality | 14:40 |
| tonberryE352 | your words make no sense | 14:40 |
| Kilos | what now Tonberry ? | 14:41 |
| tonberryE352 | goes further but loses quality | 14:41 |
| tonberryE352 | that makes no sense | 14:41 |
| Kilos | oh that | 14:41 |
| Trixar_za | Read it on Wikipedia. I did. Rather than trust that Trevor Noah. | 14:41 |
| Trixar_za | Why else use HIGHER frequencies for newer devices? | 14:42 |
| Trixar_za | Better data transmission over greater distances | 14:42 |
| Trixar_za | For example. Shortwave radio. How far does that reach and how is the quality the further away you are from the source? | 14:43 |
| Trixar_za | The quality of gets degraded the further you get away from the source | 14:43 |
| tonberryE352 | comparing analog to digital is cheating | 14:43 |
| tonberryE352 | and fm vs am | 14:43 |
| Trixar_za | Well, I read this on Wikipedia about the rise of 2G and 3G devices | 14:44 |
| Trixar_za | And I'm speaking from memory | 14:44 |
| tonberryE352 | quality ALWAYS degrades further away from the source | 14:44 |
| Trixar_za | yes, the rate of derogation is based on the distance from the source. Higher frequency can travel further with less loss of quality than a vastly lower frequency over the same distance. | 14:45 |
| Kerbero | "rate of derogation" ftf? | 14:47 |
| Kerbero | *wtf | 14:47 |
| Kerbero | Trixar_za, imho i don't think you know what you are talking about | 14:47 |
| tonberryE352 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_path_loss | 14:47 |
| Kerbero | "[16:40] <Trixar_za> The point is, you need more cell towers with lower frequencies to maintain quality" <- that is exactly opposite of what is true | 14:48 |
| Trixar_za | Just. Read. The. Damn. Wikipedia. Article. | 14:48 |
| Trixar_za | I'm just going to shut up now | 14:48 |
| Kerbero | both me and tonberry have degrees in electronic enginering, so i would rather trust us than wikipedia | 14:48 |
| Trixar_za | Yes, just like GPs and Nurses are qualified to do info commercials on dieting supplements and exercising machines. | 14:50 |
| Kerbero | no, that is biokineticists | 14:51 |
| Trixar_za | Exactly. | 14:51 |
| Kerbero | ok fair enough, we are doing our masters degrees in telecommunication | 14:52 |
| Trixar_za | Right, now I believe you | 14:52 |
| Trixar_za | Still, explain to me why new cellphones now use 1800/1900 frequencies compared to the old bricks using the 800/900 frequencies? | 14:53 |
| tonberryE352 | lack of open bands | 14:54 |
| Trixar_za | And why CellC feels 950 is superior | 14:54 |
| * superfly is no electrical engineer, but working in the wireless space is enough to be able to agree with Kerbero | 14:54 | |
| tonberryE352 | smaller antennas | 14:54 |
| Kilos | smaller antennae but shorter conerage | 14:54 |
| Kilos | coverage | 14:54 |
| Kilos | higher the frequency the closer repeaters must be | 14:55 |
| Kilos | as with short wave radio and fm | 14:55 |
| Trixar_za | So that's CellC's deal. They don't have as many towers, so they lower the frequency to avoid having to build and upgrade more of them | 14:56 |
| Trixar_za | And then they have Trevor sell it as 'better' | 14:57 |
| tonberryE352 | they are just playing the hand they have been dealt | 14:57 |
| Kerbero | Trixar_za, exactly | 14:58 |
| Trixar_za | Eh, I still don't like them. They pretty much FUD'ed Virgin Mobile out of the running. | 14:58 |
| Trixar_za | Slowly degrading service too | 14:58 |
| Trixar_za | Half the reason I jumped ship to 8ta first chance I got | 14:58 |
| smile | hi charlvn :) | 15:41 |
| Trixar_za | Dammit. Stuck on another webcomic | 15:44 |
| Trixar_za | http://notinventedhe.re/ | 15:44 |
| * Trixar_za shares the suffering | 15:44 | |
| Trixar_za | :P | 15:44 |
| Kilos | hi smile charlvn | 15:48 |
| Kilos | superfly, you busy? | 15:49 |
| Kilos | dont say always | 15:49 |
| superfly | Kilos: not terribly | 15:49 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:49 |
| Kilos | would you advise myunity installed, i think this is still 2d | 15:50 |
| Kilos | should rahter stay 2d | 15:50 |
| Kilos | rather | 15:50 |
| Kilos | it helps one make more workspaces | 15:51 |
| Kilos | hehe | 15:51 |
| Kilos | but it going full unity is gonna slow things down i will stay 2d | 15:51 |
| smile | hi Kilos :p | 15:52 |
| Trixar_za | Why not switch to XFCE? :P | 15:52 |
| * Trixar_za strokes XFCE | 15:52 | |
| Kilos | Trixar_za, this isnt too bad, i said i would give it a full go before changing | 15:53 |
| Kilos | i didnt enjoy xfce 11.04 much | 15:53 |
| smile | xubuntu 11.04 you mean, Kilos ? :p | 15:53 |
| Trixar_za | I was just about to say | 15:54 |
| Trixar_za | :P | 15:54 |
| smile | ;) | 15:54 |
| Kilos | xubuntu ya smile | 15:54 |
| Trixar_za | XFCE4.6 made some impressive changes. 4.8 is even better | 15:54 |
| Trixar_za | :P | 15:54 |
| Trixar_za | <3 XFCE4 | 15:54 |
| Kilos | na i been happy on ubuntu so will give unity a fair chance | 15:55 |
| Trixar_za | I prefer a lightweight vs. functionality balance myself | 15:55 |
| smile | Kilos: ok :) | 15:58 |
| smile | Trixar_za: me too. but i love unity too :p | 15:59 |
| smile | I don't like KDE much :p | 15:59 |
| smile | Kilos: I find myunity doesn't have enough options to customise | 16:00 |
| smile | for example, i would like to remove the workspaces button :p | 16:01 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:03 |
| Kilos | i wanted more workspaces that all | 16:03 |
| smile | lol. :p | 16:03 |
| Trixar_za | Only thing that really bugs me about XFCE is adding shortcuts to the Taskbar | 16:03 |
| smile | I want the option to minimise to applet :) for terminal | 16:04 |
| Kilos | smile, is it only myunity that can doo that or is there another workspace manager thing | 16:05 |
| smile | Kilos: at the desktop tab, can't you just increase h desktop? :p | 16:07 |
| Kilos | ? | 16:07 |
| smile | Kilos: in myunity | 16:08 |
| smile | :p | 16:08 |
| Kilos | i havent installed my unity yet | 16:08 |
| Kilos | waiting to hear from superfly if i go full unity if pc is gonna be slower than 2d | 16:09 |
| Kilos | hi psydroid | 16:09 |
| smile | Kilos: Oh i see :p | 16:11 |
| smile | well for me the graphical effects (compiz) is sitting comfortably at 1% of processor capacity :p | 16:11 |
| smile | but for you, it may be different | 16:12 |
| smile | my graphical card is taking care mostly of the effects i think :p | 16:12 |
| Trixar_za | Arg | 16:20 |
| Trixar_za | Do you guys know of a flatfile based php snipped that allows you to integrate a basic comments engine? | 16:21 |
| Trixar_za | snippet* | 16:21 |
| charlvn | Kilos: you can install compizconfig-settings-manager and use that to manage your compiz configuration | 16:38 |
| charlvn | then you should be able to disable most of the special effects | 16:38 |
| Kilos | oh ty charlvn | 16:38 |
| charlvn | i usually tend to turn all that cr4p off anyway because it just wastes resources and memory | 16:39 |
| Kilos | i just wanna add 5 desktops | 16:39 |
| Kilos | other stuff seems ok | 16:39 |
| charlvn | in gnome3 you can dynamically create new desktops and destroy them | 16:40 |
| charlvn | not sure how that works in unity though | 16:40 |
| superfly | sorry Kilos, was called away to supper | 16:40 |
| Kilos | np | 16:40 |
| charlvn | Kilos: i should add, be very careful what you do with compizconfig-settings-manager, it's very easy to break things with that | 16:41 |
| charlvn | Kilos: ask me, i know :) | 16:41 |
| Kilos | life comes first superfly | 16:41 |
| Kilos | especially family | 16:41 |
| Kilos | oh my charlvn | 16:41 |
| charlvn | Kilos: another tool you might want to try first is called MyUnity | 16:42 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:43 |
| superfly | oom, apparently Ctrl+Alt + arrow keys allows you to move between workspaces | 16:43 |
| Kilos | read bout it, but im in 2d mode and if going my unity is gonna slow pc then ill leave it rather | 16:43 |
| charlvn | Kilos: MyUnity is a much more user friendly tool, it also lets you tweak the workspace configuration | 16:43 |
| Kilos | lekker to have things work fast | 16:43 |
| Kilos | superfly, i just wanna add 5 more | 16:44 |
| Kilos | the switcher on the left works ok | 16:44 |
| Kilos | just double work the gnome2 way | 16:44 |
| charlvn | Kilos: there are two settings, h desktop and v desktop | 16:45 |
| charlvn | you can create horizontal and vertical desktops like that | 16:45 |
| Kilos | where are these settings | 16:45 |
| charlvn | Kilos: in myunity or in compizconfig-settings-manager | 16:46 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:46 |
| charlvn | seems like you can use either but i would recommend the former | 16:46 |
| Kilos | i read up on it | 16:46 |
| charlvn | strange that these things do not come installed by default | 16:46 |
| Kilos | also saw some complaints about the button | 16:46 |
| charlvn | they are both optional packages you have to install later | 16:46 |
| Kilos | that started with 10.10 i think | 16:47 |
| charlvn | the button? | 16:47 |
| Kilos | even aptitude gdebi etc | 16:47 |
| Kilos | someone wanted to remove the myunity button | 16:47 |
| charlvn | ah | 16:47 |
| superfly | Kilos: are you using Ubuntu 12.04? | 16:47 |
| Kilos | yessir | 16:48 |
| Kilos | had the funniest experience with the drives. after being here this morning pc lost both sata and ide drives | 16:48 |
| superfly | Kilos: Apparently MyUnity is the better of the two | 16:48 |
| charlvn | bbl dinner | 16:49 |
| Trixar_za | er, what? | 16:49 |
| Kilos | ok ty superfly will try it | 16:49 |
| Trixar_za | The student prices is $100 for PyCon? | 16:49 |
| superfly | Though I personally prefer a less demented desktop environment | 16:49 |
| charlvn | superfly: the other one has more options but myunity seems to be more user friendly | 16:49 |
| Trixar_za | What is the full prices then? You're paying as much as a concert ticket to go to a conference about a programming language | 16:49 |
| Trixar_za | :/ | 16:49 |
| charlvn | Trixar_za: nothing unusual, try going to oscon for example | 16:50 |
| charlvn | or that mobile conference in barcelona, whatever it's called | 16:50 |
| Kilos | found that trying to boot with battery in, pc cant see sata drive but booting to bios with battery out sees the sata immediately | 16:50 |
| Trixar_za | I know they have to pay for the venue, but that's kind of bad | 16:50 |
| charlvn | yup | 16:50 |
| charlvn | that's why i like to do unconferences, not regular conferences | 16:51 |
| charlvn | ok bbl (this time for real) :) | 16:51 |
| smile | :) | 17:01 |
| Trixar_za | http://notinventedhe.re/on/2009-11-9 | 17:15 |
| Trixar_za | Yes, because refactoring leads to broken code | 17:15 |
| Trixar_za | bbl | 17:20 |
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| Kilos | hmm nm disconnects on its own when im away for a while | 17:23 |
| Kilos | could that be an 8ta prob or some setting here | 17:25 |
| Kilos | lo nuvolari hoekom so stil | 17:26 |
| Kilos | hi tumbleweed with maverick if i hovered mouse over nm it showed the signal strenth from the tower, also other goodies in the top panel also gave feedback | 17:28 |
| Kilos | is it something i must install here or has it been scrapped | 17:28 |
| tumbleweed | Kilos: no idea if anything will tell you that. I've never seen network manager give me a useful indication of signal strength | 17:38 |
| Kilos | i dunno what you call them little popup windows with info in | 17:39 |
| tumbleweed | ah, never looked at that on 3g | 17:39 |
| Kilos | it shows well on broadband | 17:39 |
| Kilos | thats how i know when its time to mail vodacom and moan | 17:39 |
| magespawn | good evening | 17:44 |
| magespawn | brb | 17:48 |
| Kilos | himage | 18:02 |
| Kilos | yo rorr | 18:02 |
| Kilos | hmm | 18:02 |
| Kilos | hi roryy | 18:02 |
| roryy | hey kilos | 18:02 |
| roryy | how goes? | 18:03 |
| Kilos | ok ty and you? | 18:03 |
| roryy | good | 18:03 |
| Kilos | im trying unity | 18:03 |
| Kilos | 12.04 at long last | 18:04 |
| Kilos | hi drussell you see ^^ | 18:04 |
| drussell | Kilos: hey, congrats ;o) | 18:16 |
| Kilos | lol ty drussell | 18:17 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 18:17 |
| magespawn | Hey Kilos | 18:17 |
| smile | Kilos: I almost finished watchin' at animals are beautiful people :p | 18:18 |
| smile | one minute to go :p | 18:18 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:18 |
| smile | while I was on vaction I couldn't watch ;) | 18:18 |
| Kilos | never mind | 18:18 |
| smile | jamie uys :p | 18:18 |
| smile | ^^ | 18:18 |
| Kilos | they good movies hey | 18:19 |
| Kilos | and funny | 18:19 |
| smile | :) | 18:20 |
| smile | bye! :p | 18:31 |
| Kilos | sleep tight smile | 18:31 |
| smile | thanks! :) | 18:32 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 18:40 |
| magespawn | Night all | 19:16 |
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