[05:41] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:52] <Squirm> morning
[05:58] <Kilos> good morning all
[05:58] <Kilos> this be me from unity
[05:58] <Kilos> now need to get sound working here
[05:59] <Kilos> oh my no top tool bar on xchat
[06:00] <Kilos> or pidgin
[06:01] <Kilos> bbl lemme try sort this out first
[07:08] <charlvn> good morning all
[07:09] <charlvn> morning inetpro, Squirm
[07:09] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on\
[07:09] <Maaz> charlvn: Huh?
[07:09] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[07:09]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[07:14] <Kerbero> Symmetria: nice news http://ht.ly/1lLNjj
[07:37] <sflr> good morning guys
[07:42] <magespawn> morning all
[07:42] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero thanks, its been a mission
[08:48] <charlvn> morning Kerbero, sflr, magespawn, Symmetria 
[08:48] <Kerbero> dag
[08:48] <magespawn> hey charlvn
[08:49] <charlvn> Symmetria: good work!
[08:54] <charlvn> hi psydroid 
[08:54] <psydroid> hi charlvn
[12:44] <smile> hoi allemaal :)
[12:44] <smile> Kerbero: hoe gaan dit? :p
[13:46] <charlvn> hi smile 
[13:47] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[13:47]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[13:53] <Kilos> hiya superfly sflr inetpro nuvolari and other fellas
[13:53] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[13:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[13:53] <superfly> hi Kilos
[13:53] <Kilos> lol what you know about unity?
[13:53] <Kilos> xchat got no tool bar at the top
[13:54] <superfly> Kilos: toolbar?
[13:54] <superfly> like, with icons?
[13:54] <superfly> or are you talking about the menu?
[13:54] <Kilos> ya that think where you get preferences etc
[13:54] <Kilos> oh ya menu
[13:54] <superfly> Kilos: hover your mouse over the bar at the top of the screen
[13:55] <Kilos> oh my
[13:55] <Kilos> will pidgin be the same?
[13:55] <Kilos> goodness gracious bally dammit me
[13:55] <superfly> Kilos: all of them
[13:55] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[13:55] <superfly> np
[13:56] <Kilos> maybe ill try a dejadup backup from maverick to see if all my settings arrive
[14:03] <sflr> hey Kilos! where you've been?
[14:03] <Kilos> lol fighting new pc sflr  and unity a bit too
[14:04] <Kilos> and sorting a lame sheep
[14:04] <Kilos> on and off all day today
[14:04] <sflr> busy bee! hehe
[14:05] <Kilos> hehe should just cut its throat and put inna pot
[14:06] <magespawn> might not be a good idea, until you are sure what caused it to go lame
[14:07] <Kilos> lol its them paralysing ticks. found another 4 but on the belly near the wool and normally they around the backside
[14:09] <magespawn> if I remember correctly the ticks put out a toxin that causes the paralysis.
[14:11] <Kilos> thats it
[14:11] <Kilos> but these are black with red/orange legs
[14:11] <Kilos> not like the karoo one
[14:11] <Kilos> or the ones in northern natal
[14:13] <Kilos> flat ticks not like blue ticks
[14:13] <magespawn> I did not know about those specific ones.
[14:14] <magespawn> are you getting used to unity?
[14:15] <Kilos> kinda but not lekker without 9 desktops
[14:15] <Trixar_za> I normally only keep 2 around myself
[14:16] <Kilos> i used to use 1 workspace each for iftop pidgin mail and xchat
[14:17] <Kilos> can i remove the office icons to somewhere else so left panel got more space?
[14:17] <Trixar_za> Btw, for weird awesomeness, google The Avalanches - Frontier Psychiatry
[14:18] <Kilos> hows things Trixar_za 
[14:19] <Trixar_za> Slow and a little boring. I could code something in Nimrod to learn the language better, but I'm lazy :P
[14:20] <Kilos> hehe
[14:23] <Trixar_za> Wait. It was Julius Caeser that accidentally set fire to the Library of Alexandria?
[14:23] <Trixar_za> No wonder he got stabbed in the back... and front
[14:26] <Kilos> lol
[14:27] <Kilos> 8ta 2+1 bundle is a bargain compared to other sp's hey
[14:28] <Trixar_za> Yeah
[14:28] <Kilos> but what a schlep to get it going. first had to fone them and have the 3g goodie activated on sim
[14:28] <Trixar_za> And they take less than what they advertised
[14:28] <Trixar_za> Like I bought 100MB for R40
[14:28] <Trixar_za> And they only took R37
[14:29] <Kilos> but its good when needing clean installs and updates and all new packages on a new release
[14:29] <Kilos> ya i noticed that too
[14:29] <Kilos> R149 was R148
[14:29] <Kilos> lol
[14:30] <Kilos> some chappies
[14:30] <sflr> CellC cuts data to 15c/MB in and out bundle: http://www.techcentral.co.za/cell-c-takes-knife-to-data-prices/33876/
[14:31] <magespawn> i am out of here, later guys.
[14:31] <Trixar_za> Yeah, they also used to have 30c/MB with Virgin
[14:31] <Trixar_za> Then they moved it up to 60c/MB
[14:32] <Trixar_za> and then without warning and while still advertising it as 60c/MB, they started taking R2,50/MB
[14:32] <Trixar_za> ALL while being run by CellC
[14:32] <Trixar_za> So guess which network I despise more than any other?
[14:32] <Trixar_za> :P
[14:32] <Trixar_za> Also that Trevor is a lying idiot with no basis in science at all :/
[14:35] <Trixar_za> The low frequency they're using isn't something new and the range is less than something at a higher frequency. Also it's only 50 higher than the old 900 network the old BRICK phones used.
[14:35] <Trixar_za> <rant />
[14:36] <Kilos> no man lower freqs actually do go further but not a 50m diffs 
[14:37] <Kilos> 14 meg ham frequency goes around the world
[14:37] <Kerbero> sometimes
[14:37] <Kilos> 27m cdradio up to like 20 ks
[14:37] <Kerbero> wow
[14:37] <Kilos> ya Kerbero but the there 7m too
[14:37] <Kerbero> Kilos, so you are from the Kc days
[14:38] <Kilos> lol
[14:38] <Kilos> good buddy days
[14:38] <Trixar_za> Yes, it goes further, but it loses quality as it goes, so technically you lose information at larger distances
[14:38] <Kerbero> kilocycles vs kiloherz
[14:38] <Trixar_za> :P
[14:38] <Kerbero> o0
[14:39] <Kilos> n o man Trixar_za  tv is like 90m i think
[14:39] <Kilos> and line of site 
[14:39] <Kilos> but clear
[14:39] <Trixar_za> Yes, but they use repeater towers
[14:40] <Trixar_za> Which doesn't count
[14:40] <Trixar_za> :p
[14:40] <Kilos> ya but our tower here is like 10ks away
[14:40] <Trixar_za> The point is, you need more cell towers with lower frequencies to maintain quality
[14:40] <tonberryE352> your words make no sense
[14:41] <Kilos> what now Tonberry ?
[14:41] <tonberryE352> goes further but loses quality
[14:41] <tonberryE352> that makes no sense
[14:41] <Kilos> oh that
[14:41] <Trixar_za> Read it on Wikipedia. I did. Rather than trust that Trevor Noah.
[14:42] <Trixar_za> Why else use HIGHER frequencies for newer devices?
[14:42] <Trixar_za> Better data transmission over greater distances
[14:43] <Trixar_za> For example. Shortwave radio. How far does that reach and how is the quality the further away you are from the source?
[14:43] <Trixar_za> The quality of gets degraded the further you get away from the source
[14:43] <tonberryE352> comparing analog to digital is cheating 
[14:43] <tonberryE352> and fm vs am
[14:44] <Trixar_za> Well, I read this on Wikipedia about the rise of 2G and 3G devices
[14:44] <Trixar_za> And I'm speaking from memory
[14:44] <tonberryE352> quality ALWAYS degrades further away from the source
[14:45] <Trixar_za> yes, the rate of derogation is based on the distance from the source. Higher frequency can travel further with less loss of quality than a vastly lower frequency over the same distance.
[14:47] <Kerbero> "rate of derogation" ftf?
[14:47] <Kerbero> *wtf
[14:47] <Kerbero> Trixar_za, imho i don't think you know what you are talking about
[14:47] <tonberryE352> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_path_loss
[14:48] <Kerbero> "[16:40] <Trixar_za> The point is, you need more cell towers with lower frequencies to maintain quality" <- that is exactly opposite of what is true
[14:48] <Trixar_za> Just. Read. The. Damn. Wikipedia. Article.
[14:48] <Trixar_za> I'm just going to shut up now
[14:48] <Kerbero> both me and tonberry have degrees in electronic enginering, so i would rather trust us than wikipedia
[14:50] <Trixar_za> Yes, just like GPs and Nurses are qualified to do info commercials on dieting supplements and exercising machines.
[14:51] <Kerbero> no, that is biokineticists
[14:51] <Trixar_za> Exactly.
[14:52] <Kerbero> ok fair enough, we are doing our masters degrees in telecommunication
[14:52] <Trixar_za> Right, now I believe you
[14:53] <Trixar_za> Still, explain to me why new cellphones now use 1800/1900 frequencies compared to the old bricks using the 800/900 frequencies?
[14:54] <tonberryE352> lack of open bands
[14:54] <Trixar_za> And why CellC feels 950 is superior
[14:54]  * superfly is no electrical engineer, but working in the wireless space is enough to be able to agree with Kerbero
[14:54] <tonberryE352> smaller antennas
[14:54] <Kilos> smaller antennae but shorter conerage
[14:54] <Kilos> coverage
[14:55] <Kilos> higher the frequency the closer repeaters must be
[14:55] <Kilos> as with short wave radio and fm
[14:56] <Trixar_za> So that's CellC's deal. They don't have as many towers, so they lower the frequency to avoid having to build and upgrade more of them
[14:57] <Trixar_za> And then they have Trevor sell it as 'better'
[14:57] <tonberryE352> they are just playing the hand they have been dealt
[14:58] <Kerbero> Trixar_za, exactly
[14:58] <Trixar_za> Eh, I still don't like them. They pretty much FUD'ed Virgin Mobile out of the running.
[14:58] <Trixar_za> Slowly degrading service too
[14:58] <Trixar_za> Half the reason I jumped ship to 8ta first chance I got
[15:41] <smile> hi charlvn :)
[15:44] <Trixar_za> Dammit. Stuck on another webcomic
[15:44] <Trixar_za> http://notinventedhe.re/
[15:44]  * Trixar_za shares the suffering
[15:44] <Trixar_za> :P
[15:48] <Kilos> hi smile charlvn 
[15:49] <Kilos> superfly, you busy?
[15:49] <Kilos> dont say always
[15:49] <superfly> Kilos: not terribly
[15:49] <Kilos> lol
[15:50] <Kilos> would you advise myunity installed, i think this is still 2d
[15:50] <Kilos> should  rahter stay 2d
[15:50] <Kilos> rather
[15:51] <Kilos> it helps one make more workspaces
[15:51] <Kilos> hehe
[15:51] <Kilos> but it going full unity is gonna slow things down i will stay 2d
[15:52] <smile> hi Kilos :p
[15:52] <Trixar_za> Why not switch to XFCE? :P
[15:52]  * Trixar_za strokes XFCE
[15:53] <Kilos> Trixar_za, this isnt too bad, i said i would give it a full go before changing
[15:53] <Kilos> i didnt enjoy xfce 11.04 much
[15:53] <smile> xubuntu 11.04 you mean, Kilos ? :p
[15:54] <Trixar_za> I was just about to say
[15:54] <Trixar_za> :P
[15:54] <smile> ;)
[15:54] <Kilos> xubuntu ya smile 
[15:54] <Trixar_za> XFCE4.6 made some impressive changes. 4.8 is even better
[15:54] <Trixar_za> :P
[15:54] <Trixar_za> <3 XFCE4
[15:55] <Kilos> na i been happy on ubuntu so will give unity a fair chance
[15:55] <Trixar_za> I prefer a lightweight vs. functionality balance myself
[15:58] <smile> Kilos: ok :)
[15:59] <smile> Trixar_za: me too. but i love unity too :p
[15:59] <smile> I don't like KDE much :p
[16:00] <smile> Kilos: I find myunity doesn't have enough options to customise
[16:01] <smile> for example, i would like to remove the workspaces button :p
[16:03] <Kilos> lol
[16:03] <Kilos> i wanted more workspaces that all
[16:03] <smile> lol. :p
[16:03] <Trixar_za> Only thing that really bugs me about XFCE is adding shortcuts to the Taskbar
[16:04] <smile> I want the option to minimise to applet :) for terminal
[16:05] <Kilos> smile, is it only myunity that can doo that or is there another workspace manager thing
[16:07] <smile> Kilos: at the desktop tab, can't you just increase h desktop? :p
[16:07] <Kilos> ?
[16:08] <smile> Kilos: in myunity
[16:08] <smile> :p
[16:08] <Kilos> i havent installed my unity yet
[16:09] <Kilos> waiting to hear from superfly if i go full unity if pc is gonna be slower than 2d
[16:09] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[16:11] <smile> Kilos: Oh i see :p
[16:11] <smile> well for me the graphical effects (compiz) is sitting comfortably at 1% of processor capacity :p
[16:12] <smile> but for you, it may be different
[16:12] <smile> my graphical card is taking care mostly of the effects i think :p
[16:20] <Trixar_za> Arg
[16:21] <Trixar_za> Do you guys know of a flatfile based php snipped that allows you to integrate a basic comments engine?
[16:21] <Trixar_za> snippet*
[16:38] <charlvn> Kilos: you can install compizconfig-settings-manager and use that to manage your compiz configuration
[16:38] <charlvn> then you should be able to disable most of the special effects
[16:38] <Kilos> oh ty charlvn 
[16:39] <charlvn> i usually tend to turn all that cr4p off anyway because it just wastes resources and memory
[16:39] <Kilos> i just wanna add 5 desktops
[16:39] <Kilos> other stuff seems ok
[16:40] <charlvn> in gnome3 you can dynamically create new desktops and destroy them
[16:40] <charlvn> not sure how that works in unity though
[16:40] <superfly> sorry Kilos, was called away to supper
[16:40] <Kilos> np
[16:41] <charlvn> Kilos: i should add, be very careful what you do with compizconfig-settings-manager, it's very easy to break things with that
[16:41] <charlvn> Kilos: ask me, i know :)
[16:41] <Kilos> life comes first superfly 
[16:41] <Kilos> especially family
[16:41] <Kilos> oh my charlvn 
[16:42] <charlvn> Kilos: another tool you might want to try first is called MyUnity
[16:43] <Kilos> lol
[16:43] <superfly> oom, apparently Ctrl+Alt + arrow keys allows you to move between workspaces
[16:43] <Kilos> read bout it, but im in 2d mode and if going my unity is gonna slow pc then ill leave it rather
[16:43] <charlvn> Kilos: MyUnity is a much more user friendly tool, it also lets you tweak the workspace configuration
[16:43] <Kilos> lekker to have things work fast
[16:44] <Kilos> superfly, i just wanna add 5 more
[16:44] <Kilos> the switcher on the left works ok
[16:44] <Kilos> just double work the gnome2 way
[16:45] <charlvn> Kilos: there are two settings, h desktop and v desktop
[16:45] <charlvn> you can create horizontal and vertical desktops like that
[16:45] <Kilos> where are these settings
[16:46] <charlvn> Kilos: in myunity or in compizconfig-settings-manager
[16:46] <Kilos> lol
[16:46] <charlvn> seems like you can use either but i would recommend the former
[16:46] <Kilos> i read up on it
[16:46] <charlvn> strange that these things do not come installed by default
[16:46] <Kilos> also saw some complaints about the button
[16:46] <charlvn> they are both optional packages you have to install later
[16:47] <Kilos> that started with 10.10 i think
[16:47] <charlvn> the button?
[16:47] <Kilos> even aptitude gdebi etc
[16:47] <Kilos> someone wanted to remove the myunity button
[16:47] <charlvn> ah
[16:47] <superfly> Kilos: are you using Ubuntu 12.04?
[16:48] <Kilos> yessir
[16:48] <Kilos> had the funniest experience with the drives. after being here this morning pc lost both sata and ide drives
[16:48] <superfly> Kilos: Apparently MyUnity is the better of the two
[16:49] <charlvn> bbl dinner
[16:49] <Trixar_za> er, what?
[16:49] <Kilos> ok ty superfly will try it
[16:49] <Trixar_za> The student prices is $100 for PyCon?
[16:49] <superfly> Though I personally prefer a less demented desktop environment
[16:49] <charlvn> superfly: the other one has more options but myunity seems to be more user friendly
[16:49] <Trixar_za> What is the full prices then? You're paying as much as a concert ticket to go to a conference about a programming language
[16:49] <Trixar_za> :/
[16:50] <charlvn> Trixar_za: nothing unusual, try going to oscon for example
[16:50] <charlvn> or that mobile conference in barcelona, whatever it's called
[16:50] <Kilos> found that trying to boot with battery in, pc cant see sata drive but booting to bios with battery out sees the sata immediately
[16:50] <Trixar_za> I know they have to pay for the venue, but that's kind of bad
[16:50] <charlvn> yup
[16:51] <charlvn> that's why i like to do unconferences, not regular conferences
[16:51] <charlvn> ok bbl (this time for real) :)
[17:01] <smile> :)
[17:15] <Trixar_za> http://notinventedhe.re/on/2009-11-9
[17:15] <Trixar_za> Yes, because refactoring leads to broken code
[17:20] <Trixar_za> bbl
[17:23] <Kilos> hmm nm disconnects on its own when im away for a while
[17:25] <Kilos> could that be an 8ta prob or some setting here
[17:26] <Kilos> lo nuvolari hoekom so stil
[17:28] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed with maverick if i hovered mouse over nm it showed the signal strenth from the tower, also other goodies in the top panel also gave feedback
[17:28] <Kilos> is it something i must install here or has it been scrapped
[17:38] <tumbleweed> Kilos: no idea if anything will tell you that. I've never seen network manager give me a useful indication of signal strength
[17:39] <Kilos> i dunno what you call them little popup windows with info in
[17:39] <tumbleweed> ah, never looked at that on 3g
[17:39] <Kilos> it shows well on broadband
[17:39] <Kilos> thats how i know when its time to mail vodacom and moan
[17:44] <magespawn> good evening
[17:48] <magespawn> brb
[18:02] <Kilos> himage
[18:02] <Kilos> yo rorr
[18:02] <Kilos> hmm
[18:02] <Kilos> hi roryy 
[18:02] <roryy> hey kilos
[18:03] <roryy> how goes?
[18:03] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[18:03] <roryy> good
[18:03] <Kilos> im trying unity
[18:04] <Kilos> 12.04 at long last
[18:04] <Kilos> hi drussell you see ^^
[18:16] <drussell> Kilos: hey, congrats ;o)
[18:17] <Kilos> lol ty drussell 
[18:17] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[18:17] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[18:18] <smile> Kilos: I almost finished watchin' at animals are beautiful people :p
[18:18] <smile> one minute to go :p
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <smile> while I was on vaction I couldn't watch ;)
[18:18] <Kilos> never mind
[18:18] <smile> jamie uys :p
[18:18] <smile> ^^
[18:19] <Kilos> they good movies hey
[18:19] <Kilos> and funny
[18:20] <smile> :)
[18:31] <smile> bye! :p
[18:31] <Kilos> sleep tight smile 
[18:32] <smile> thanks! :)
[18:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:16] <magespawn> Night all