[05:41] good mornings [05:52] morning [05:58] good morning all [05:58] this be me from unity [05:58] now need to get sound working here [05:59] oh my no top tool bar on xchat [06:00] or pidgin [06:01] bbl lemme try sort this out first [07:08] good morning all [07:09] morning inetpro, Squirm [07:09] Maaz: coffee on\ [07:09] charlvn: Huh? [07:09] Maaz: coffee on [07:09] * Maaz puts the kettle on [07:13] Coffee's ready for charlvn! [07:14] Symmetria: nice news http://ht.ly/1lLNjj [07:37] good morning guys [07:42] morning all [07:42] heh Kerbero thanks, its been a mission [08:48] morning Kerbero, sflr, magespawn, Symmetria [08:48] dag [08:48] hey charlvn [08:49] Symmetria: good work! [08:54] hi psydroid [08:54] hi charlvn [12:44] hoi allemaal :) [12:44] Kerbero: hoe gaan dit? :p === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [13:46] hi smile [13:47] Maaz: coffee on [13:47] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [13:51] Coffee's ready for charlvn! [13:53] hiya superfly sflr inetpro nuvolari and other fellas [13:53] hey Kilos [13:53] hi magespawn [13:53] hi Kilos [13:53] lol what you know about unity? [13:53] xchat got no tool bar at the top [13:54] Kilos: toolbar? [13:54] like, with icons? [13:54] or are you talking about the menu? [13:54] ya that think where you get preferences etc [13:54] oh ya menu [13:54] Kilos: hover your mouse over the bar at the top of the screen [13:55] oh my [13:55] will pidgin be the same? [13:55] goodness gracious bally dammit me [13:55] Kilos: all of them [13:55] ty superfly [13:55] np [13:56] maybe ill try a dejadup backup from maverick to see if all my settings arrive [14:03] hey Kilos! where you've been? [14:03] lol fighting new pc sflr and unity a bit too [14:04] and sorting a lame sheep [14:04] on and off all day today [14:04] busy bee! hehe [14:05] hehe should just cut its throat and put inna pot [14:06] might not be a good idea, until you are sure what caused it to go lame [14:07] lol its them paralysing ticks. found another 4 but on the belly near the wool and normally they around the backside [14:09] if I remember correctly the ticks put out a toxin that causes the paralysis. [14:11] thats it [14:11] but these are black with red/orange legs [14:11] not like the karoo one [14:11] or the ones in northern natal [14:13] flat ticks not like blue ticks [14:13] I did not know about those specific ones. [14:14] are you getting used to unity? [14:15] kinda but not lekker without 9 desktops [14:15] I normally only keep 2 around myself [14:16] i used to use 1 workspace each for iftop pidgin mail and xchat [14:17] can i remove the office icons to somewhere else so left panel got more space? [14:17] Btw, for weird awesomeness, google The Avalanches - Frontier Psychiatry [14:18] hows things Trixar_za [14:19] Slow and a little boring. I could code something in Nimrod to learn the language better, but I'm lazy :P [14:20] hehe [14:23] Wait. It was Julius Caeser that accidentally set fire to the Library of Alexandria? [14:23] No wonder he got stabbed in the back... and front [14:26] lol [14:27] 8ta 2+1 bundle is a bargain compared to other sp's hey [14:28] Yeah [14:28] but what a schlep to get it going. first had to fone them and have the 3g goodie activated on sim [14:28] And they take less than what they advertised [14:28] Like I bought 100MB for R40 [14:28] And they only took R37 [14:29] but its good when needing clean installs and updates and all new packages on a new release [14:29] ya i noticed that too [14:29] R149 was R148 [14:29] lol [14:30] some chappies [14:30] CellC cuts data to 15c/MB in and out bundle: http://www.techcentral.co.za/cell-c-takes-knife-to-data-prices/33876/ [14:31] i am out of here, later guys. [14:31] Yeah, they also used to have 30c/MB with Virgin [14:31] Then they moved it up to 60c/MB [14:32] and then without warning and while still advertising it as 60c/MB, they started taking R2,50/MB [14:32] ALL while being run by CellC [14:32] So guess which network I despise more than any other? [14:32] :P [14:32] Also that Trevor is a lying idiot with no basis in science at all :/ [14:35] The low frequency they're using isn't something new and the range is less than something at a higher frequency. Also it's only 50 higher than the old 900 network the old BRICK phones used. [14:35] [14:36] no man lower freqs actually do go further but not a 50m diffs [14:37] 14 meg ham frequency goes around the world [14:37] sometimes [14:37] 27m cdradio up to like 20 ks [14:37] wow [14:37] ya Kerbero but the there 7m too [14:37] Kilos, so you are from the Kc days [14:38] lol [14:38] good buddy days [14:38] Yes, it goes further, but it loses quality as it goes, so technically you lose information at larger distances [14:38] kilocycles vs kiloherz [14:38] :P [14:38] o0 [14:39] n o man Trixar_za tv is like 90m i think [14:39] and line of site [14:39] but clear [14:39] Yes, but they use repeater towers [14:40] Which doesn't count [14:40] :p [14:40] ya but our tower here is like 10ks away [14:40] The point is, you need more cell towers with lower frequencies to maintain quality [14:40] your words make no sense [14:41] what now Tonberry ? [14:41] goes further but loses quality [14:41] that makes no sense [14:41] oh that [14:41] Read it on Wikipedia. I did. Rather than trust that Trevor Noah. [14:42] Why else use HIGHER frequencies for newer devices? [14:42] Better data transmission over greater distances [14:43] For example. Shortwave radio. How far does that reach and how is the quality the further away you are from the source? [14:43] The quality of gets degraded the further you get away from the source [14:43] comparing analog to digital is cheating [14:43] and fm vs am [14:44] Well, I read this on Wikipedia about the rise of 2G and 3G devices [14:44] And I'm speaking from memory [14:44] quality ALWAYS degrades further away from the source [14:45] yes, the rate of derogation is based on the distance from the source. Higher frequency can travel further with less loss of quality than a vastly lower frequency over the same distance. [14:47] "rate of derogation" ftf? [14:47] *wtf [14:47] Trixar_za, imho i don't think you know what you are talking about [14:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_path_loss [14:48] "[16:40] The point is, you need more cell towers with lower frequencies to maintain quality" <- that is exactly opposite of what is true [14:48] Just. Read. The. Damn. Wikipedia. Article. [14:48] I'm just going to shut up now [14:48] both me and tonberry have degrees in electronic enginering, so i would rather trust us than wikipedia [14:50] Yes, just like GPs and Nurses are qualified to do info commercials on dieting supplements and exercising machines. [14:51] no, that is biokineticists [14:51] Exactly. [14:52] ok fair enough, we are doing our masters degrees in telecommunication [14:52] Right, now I believe you [14:53] Still, explain to me why new cellphones now use 1800/1900 frequencies compared to the old bricks using the 800/900 frequencies? [14:54] lack of open bands [14:54] And why CellC feels 950 is superior [14:54] * superfly is no electrical engineer, but working in the wireless space is enough to be able to agree with Kerbero [14:54] smaller antennas [14:54] smaller antennae but shorter conerage [14:54] coverage [14:55] higher the frequency the closer repeaters must be [14:55] as with short wave radio and fm [14:56] So that's CellC's deal. They don't have as many towers, so they lower the frequency to avoid having to build and upgrade more of them [14:57] And then they have Trevor sell it as 'better' [14:57] they are just playing the hand they have been dealt [14:58] Trixar_za, exactly [14:58] Eh, I still don't like them. They pretty much FUD'ed Virgin Mobile out of the running. [14:58] Slowly degrading service too [14:58] Half the reason I jumped ship to 8ta first chance I got [15:41] hi charlvn :) [15:44] Dammit. Stuck on another webcomic [15:44] http://notinventedhe.re/ [15:44] * Trixar_za shares the suffering [15:44] :P [15:48] hi smile charlvn [15:49] superfly, you busy? [15:49] dont say always [15:49] Kilos: not terribly [15:49] lol [15:50] would you advise myunity installed, i think this is still 2d [15:50] should rahter stay 2d [15:50] rather [15:51] it helps one make more workspaces [15:51] hehe [15:51] but it going full unity is gonna slow things down i will stay 2d [15:52] hi Kilos :p [15:52] Why not switch to XFCE? :P [15:52] * Trixar_za strokes XFCE [15:53] Trixar_za, this isnt too bad, i said i would give it a full go before changing [15:53] i didnt enjoy xfce 11.04 much [15:53] xubuntu 11.04 you mean, Kilos ? :p [15:54] I was just about to say [15:54] :P [15:54] ;) [15:54] xubuntu ya smile [15:54] XFCE4.6 made some impressive changes. 4.8 is even better [15:54] :P [15:54] <3 XFCE4 [15:55] na i been happy on ubuntu so will give unity a fair chance [15:55] I prefer a lightweight vs. functionality balance myself [15:58] Kilos: ok :) [15:59] Trixar_za: me too. but i love unity too :p [15:59] I don't like KDE much :p [16:00] Kilos: I find myunity doesn't have enough options to customise [16:01] for example, i would like to remove the workspaces button :p [16:03] lol [16:03] i wanted more workspaces that all [16:03] lol. :p [16:03] Only thing that really bugs me about XFCE is adding shortcuts to the Taskbar [16:04] I want the option to minimise to applet :) for terminal [16:05] smile, is it only myunity that can doo that or is there another workspace manager thing [16:07] Kilos: at the desktop tab, can't you just increase h desktop? :p [16:07] ? [16:08] Kilos: in myunity [16:08] :p [16:08] i havent installed my unity yet [16:09] waiting to hear from superfly if i go full unity if pc is gonna be slower than 2d [16:09] hi psydroid [16:11] Kilos: Oh i see :p [16:11] well for me the graphical effects (compiz) is sitting comfortably at 1% of processor capacity :p [16:12] but for you, it may be different [16:12] my graphical card is taking care mostly of the effects i think :p [16:20] Arg [16:21] Do you guys know of a flatfile based php snipped that allows you to integrate a basic comments engine? [16:21] snippet* [16:38] Kilos: you can install compizconfig-settings-manager and use that to manage your compiz configuration [16:38] then you should be able to disable most of the special effects [16:38] oh ty charlvn [16:39] i usually tend to turn all that cr4p off anyway because it just wastes resources and memory [16:39] i just wanna add 5 desktops [16:39] other stuff seems ok [16:40] in gnome3 you can dynamically create new desktops and destroy them [16:40] not sure how that works in unity though [16:40] sorry Kilos, was called away to supper [16:40] np [16:41] Kilos: i should add, be very careful what you do with compizconfig-settings-manager, it's very easy to break things with that [16:41] Kilos: ask me, i know :) [16:41] life comes first superfly [16:41] especially family [16:41] oh my charlvn [16:42] Kilos: another tool you might want to try first is called MyUnity [16:43] lol [16:43] oom, apparently Ctrl+Alt + arrow keys allows you to move between workspaces [16:43] read bout it, but im in 2d mode and if going my unity is gonna slow pc then ill leave it rather [16:43] Kilos: MyUnity is a much more user friendly tool, it also lets you tweak the workspace configuration [16:43] lekker to have things work fast [16:44] superfly, i just wanna add 5 more [16:44] the switcher on the left works ok [16:44] just double work the gnome2 way [16:45] Kilos: there are two settings, h desktop and v desktop [16:45] you can create horizontal and vertical desktops like that [16:45] where are these settings [16:46] Kilos: in myunity or in compizconfig-settings-manager [16:46] lol [16:46] seems like you can use either but i would recommend the former [16:46] i read up on it [16:46] strange that these things do not come installed by default [16:46] also saw some complaints about the button [16:46] they are both optional packages you have to install later [16:47] that started with 10.10 i think [16:47] the button? [16:47] even aptitude gdebi etc [16:47] someone wanted to remove the myunity button [16:47] ah [16:47] Kilos: are you using Ubuntu 12.04? [16:48] yessir [16:48] had the funniest experience with the drives. after being here this morning pc lost both sata and ide drives [16:48] Kilos: Apparently MyUnity is the better of the two [16:49] bbl dinner [16:49] er, what? [16:49] ok ty superfly will try it [16:49] The student prices is $100 for PyCon? [16:49] Though I personally prefer a less demented desktop environment [16:49] superfly: the other one has more options but myunity seems to be more user friendly [16:49] What is the full prices then? You're paying as much as a concert ticket to go to a conference about a programming language [16:49] :/ [16:50] Trixar_za: nothing unusual, try going to oscon for example [16:50] or that mobile conference in barcelona, whatever it's called [16:50] found that trying to boot with battery in, pc cant see sata drive but booting to bios with battery out sees the sata immediately [16:50] I know they have to pay for the venue, but that's kind of bad [16:50] yup [16:51] that's why i like to do unconferences, not regular conferences [16:51] ok bbl (this time for real) :) [17:01] :) [17:15] http://notinventedhe.re/on/2009-11-9 [17:15] Yes, because refactoring leads to broken code [17:20] bbl === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [17:23] hmm nm disconnects on its own when im away for a while [17:25] could that be an 8ta prob or some setting here [17:26] lo nuvolari hoekom so stil [17:28] hi tumbleweed with maverick if i hovered mouse over nm it showed the signal strenth from the tower, also other goodies in the top panel also gave feedback [17:28] is it something i must install here or has it been scrapped [17:38] Kilos: no idea if anything will tell you that. I've never seen network manager give me a useful indication of signal strength [17:39] i dunno what you call them little popup windows with info in [17:39] ah, never looked at that on 3g [17:39] it shows well on broadband [17:39] thats how i know when its time to mail vodacom and moan [17:44] good evening [17:48] brb [18:02] himage [18:02] yo rorr [18:02] hmm [18:02] hi roryy [18:02] hey kilos [18:03] how goes? [18:03] ok ty and you? [18:03] good [18:03] im trying unity [18:04] 12.04 at long last [18:04] hi drussell you see ^^ [18:16] Kilos: hey, congrats ;o) [18:17] lol ty drussell [18:17] wb magespawn [18:17] Hey Kilos [18:18] Kilos: I almost finished watchin' at animals are beautiful people :p [18:18] one minute to go :p [18:18] lol [18:18] while I was on vaction I couldn't watch ;) [18:18] never mind [18:18] jamie uys :p [18:18] ^^ [18:19] they good movies hey [18:19] and funny [18:20] :) [18:31] bye! :p [18:31] sleep tight smile [18:32] thanks! :) [18:40] night all. sleep tight [19:16] Night all === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za