[01:00] <cpatrick08> I saw that kde 4.9 was released for precise via ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports  and was wondering when it would be available for quantal
[03:42] <Tm_T> yay package conflicts
[03:45] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/traces/1204-kde-490-apt.txt
[04:02] <ScottK> Tm_T: amd64?
[04:03] <Tm_T> yes
[04:03] <ScottK> Archive skew.  Wait and try again.
[04:03] <Tm_T> aww, still?
[04:04] <ScottK> Could be something failed and needs a retry.
[04:04]  * ScottK hasn't been watching the PPA.
[04:04] <Tm_T> ScottK: what about that mess I had with nepomuk?
[04:04] <ScottK> Dunno.
[04:05] <Tm_T> have to look the build status when I get to the office ->
[04:07] <ScottK> It looks like it's built now, so not sure.
[04:07]  * ScottK needs to sleep.
[04:54] <Tm_T> hmh, more funneehs
[05:23] <kio_http> I can see kde 4.9 packages in the kubuntu backports ppa, is it safe to use these as there is no anouncement on kubuntu.org?
[05:24] <Tm_T> kio_http: it's quite possible not all packages are there yet, or final test is not done yet
[05:25] <Tm_T> s/done/successfully done/
[05:25] <kubotu> Tm_T meant: "kio_http: it's quite possible not all packages are there yet, or final test is not successfully done yet"
[05:25] <Tm_T> aww
[05:28] <kio_http> I see there is a kubottu here now
[07:57] <dpm> Riddell, around?
[08:10] <Riddell> hi dpm 
[08:12] <dpm> hey :) you pinged me a while ago about disabling langpacks for Quantal, and I directed you to pitti. I see he applied the changes to langpack-o-matic already. Could you please send an announcement to the ubuntu-translators list explaining the change?
[08:13] <Riddell> can do
[08:14] <dpm> Thanks. If you could find some time for it today it'd be great, as we'd then disable the KDE templates in Launchpad and open Quantal translations straight away
[08:16] <Riddell> Tm_T: did you work it out?
[08:17] <Tm_T> Riddell: well, I can sort the package issues locally, but that wouldn't help others
[08:17] <Tm_T> so I'm wondering if these are something that should be fixed on packaging
[08:19] <Riddell> Tm_T: it's not clear from what you pasted what you told apt to do
[08:19] <Tm_T> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (wajig daily-upgrade in short)
[08:20] <Riddell> mm
[08:22] <Tm_T> added more to the bottom of the file
[08:22] <Tm_T> brb, gotta buy lunch
[08:37] <Tm_T> chomp
[08:39] <allee> Tm_T: here finished right now a precise 4.8->4.9 upgrade. The upgrade was well, no conflicts or missing pkgs, or outdated versions.
[08:40] <allee> Congrats!  Now a logout/in ;-)
[08:41] <Riddell> allee: i386 or amd64?
[08:41] <allee> Riddell: amd64
[08:42] <Tm_T> so it could be just me, after installing plasma-active stuff to Kubuntu
[09:01] <allee> ah, that reminds me to try active with quantal because quantal, for first time handles, my laptop touchscreen perfectly
[09:08] <Riddell> allee: I've no idea what state active is in, I took a random snapshot but it hasn't had a release so I don't know if it works
[09:14] <Riddell> time to rebuild large parts of 4.9 then
[09:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: do-release-upgrade -d
[09:43] <shadeslayer> upgrade hanged when it tried to restart atd
[09:44] <shadeslayer> might also be because of some weird stuff that the hosting provider installs from it's own repos
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:41] <apachelogger> "I cant stack 2 panels on top of eachother to use as a quicklaunchbar"
[11:42] <apachelogger> you know
[11:43] <apachelogger> I always was annoyed by plasma not giving containments/panels a depth, now there is even a use case for that
[11:43] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:43] <Riddell> you were annoyed at something without a use case?
[11:44] <apachelogger> well, I was annoyed about plasma upon breaking itself in version upgrades suddenly had overlapping panels
[11:44] <apachelogger> and the first time that happend it took me like a week to figure out why my tray was having oddly
[11:44] <apachelogger> (one panel was slightly higher than the other)
[11:46] <apachelogger> if plasma had just very basic 3d simulations that would not have happend to be begin with
[11:48] <apachelogger> SteveRiley: what kfn needs is a "hottest topics last week" feature ^^
[12:02] <shadeslayer> the weather is just horrible here
[12:02] <shadeslayer> kubotu: weather Gurgaon
[12:02] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[12:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ did you disable that?
[12:06] <apol_> JontheEchidna: ping
[12:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: weather Vienna, AT
[12:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: apparently
[12:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: help weather
[12:06] <kubotu> no help for topic weather
[12:06] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[12:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: might just have been removed
[12:08] <apachelogger> I don't see it in the blacklist anyway
[12:09] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:34] <shadeslayer> agateau: really stupid question, but I can't seem to make KMessageWidget resize dynamically
[12:35] <shadeslayer> I've added a vertical layout to my ui file and call KMessageWidget::setLayout on it
[12:35] <shadeslayer> it being my KMW ofcourse
[12:36] <shadeslayer> relevant code snippet : http://paste.kde.org/527114/
[12:44] <echidnaman> apol_: pong
[12:45] <apol> jtechidna: here?
[12:45] <apol> xD
[12:45] <apol> damn
[12:45] <apol> you have a lot of nicks
[12:45] <jtechidna> ;)
[12:46] <jtechidna> that was my third fallback nick
[12:46] <jtechidna> the office must have lost internet connection last night
[12:46] <apol> jtechidna: I'm thinking of moving the actions in MuonMainWindow to the QApt::Backend
[12:46] <apol> jtechidna: does that sound sane to you?
[12:47] <jtechidna> the actions?
[12:48] <apol> jtechidna: MuonMainWindow::setupActions()
[12:48] <jtechidna> I'd like to keep LibQApt Qt only
[12:49] <apol> ah
[12:49] <apol> ergh
[12:49] <apol> true
[12:50] <apol> the backend is in libqapt
[12:50]  * apol thinks again...
[12:50] <apol> or tries too... >.<
[12:51] <jtechidna> perhaps there could be a separate KDE integration library that provides common UI bits, like presenting errors, warnings, etc
[12:52] <apol> jtechidna: I'll create an "apt-ify mainwindow class", that does these things
[12:52] <apol> jtechidna: and see how far I can go
[12:52] <jtechidna> ok
[12:52] <jtechidna> apol: btw, I've started to port muon-installer to the resources stuff. I think I've been careful not to break anything on the QML side, but please let me know if I did
[12:53] <apol> jtechidna: have you changed anything in the libmuon part?
[12:53] <jtechidna> a few things
[12:53] <apol> uh
[12:53] <apol> i see
[12:53] <apol> ok
[12:53] <apol> I'll try
[12:54] <apol> jtechidna: and yes, thanks for the s/application/resource
[12:55] <jtechidna> Qt Creator is great for that, but not so much for refactoring QML code
[12:55] <jtechidna> brb, coffee
[12:56] <apol> :P
[13:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If atd restart is hanging I seriously doubt it's the upgrade's fault.
[13:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thought so ... like I said, there were some weird packages installed
[13:22] <shadeslayer> saw a couple of bug reports about atd hanging while restarting on the upgrade though
[13:23] <shadeslayer> then again, dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install to the rescue ;)
[13:54] <ScottK> The respun kdelibs for 4.8.5 is out, so I'm working on building those.
[13:58] <Riddell> UDS sponsorship application time, visit sunny Denmark!
[13:59]  * Riddell nudges jtechidna, debfx, yofel_,ScottK, Mamarok, shadeslayer, apachelogger into applying
[13:59] <shadeslayer> already on that page ;)
[13:59] <apachelogger> why it always is at such inconvenient times is beyond me -.-
[13:59] <jtechidna> I probably won't be able to make any of the fall UDS's due to uni until I'm out of uni :(
[13:59] <Riddell> valorie, SteveRiley, afiestas_, apol: do consider it
[14:00] <Riddell> agateau: you know you want to
[14:00] <ScottK> Quintasan too.
[14:00] <apol> Riddell: when is it?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> jtechidna: muwhahahaha ... I no more have that issue \o/
[14:00] <jtechidna> shadeslayer: lucky sun of a gun :P
[14:00] <agateau> Riddell: I do!
[14:00] <afiestas_> Riddell: already done 
[14:00] <shadeslayer> ;)
[14:00] <Riddell> jussi: not too far for you to come?
[14:01] <jtechidna> two more years until I have my 4-year degree...
[14:01] <shadeslayer> ofcourse, I'm still waiting for my last sem results, and hopefully I should pass all of it
[14:01] <shadeslayer> wat
[14:01] <shadeslayer> jtechidna: how old are you ? 0.o
[14:01] <jtechidna> shadeslayer: turning 21 later this month
[14:01] <shadeslayer> you're .... younger than me? :O
[14:02] <jtechidna> lol
[14:02] <agateau> Riddell: where does one ask for sponsoring?
[14:02] <shadeslayer> agateau: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/sponsorship/
[14:03] <jtechidna> shadeslayer: I started contributing back in '08 when I was 17
[14:03] <shadeslayer> likewise
[14:03] <shadeslayer> started in October-November 2008 I think
[14:04] <shadeslayer> contributions were probably 6 more months down the line
[14:04] <jtechidna> basically I saw this new KDE4 thing, and hopped on to #kubuntu IRC to give some suggestions :P
[14:04] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:04] <jtechidna> wandered in to #kubuntu-devel, and one thing led to another...
[14:04] <shadeslayer> jtechidna: for me it was windows crashing on me and a kubuntu CD lying around to recover my data
[14:04] <shadeslayer> Mamarok pointed me to this channel after she got fed up of my questions :P
[14:05] <jtechidna> lol
[14:05] <jtechidna> I remember. You were very... enthusiastic ;-)
[14:05] <shadeslayer> ;)
[14:06] <ScottK> He didn't even let exams distract him back then.
[14:06] <jtechidna> heh
[14:07] <agateau> Riddell: requested sponsorship. How long until I know if it is accepted?
[14:07] <Mamarok> Riddell: I have a problem: the application page is hard-coded to my old mail address, although that is not used anymore, and is not in launchapad anymore either
[14:07] <Riddell> rbelem: you too
[14:07] <Riddell> agateau: august 17th I think
[14:07] <jtechidna> agateau: they'll email you with ack/nack a few weeks afterwards
[14:07] <agateau> jtechidna: ok, thanks
[14:08] <jtechidna> then you'll email/call up the travel agency they give you
[14:08] <jtechidna> and they'll set you up
[14:08] <jtechidna> you just have to be careful or they'll schedule your flight to leave during the closing ceremonies :P
[14:09] <agateau> I see :)
[14:09] <jtechidna> (speaking from experience)
[14:09] <jtechidna> back on the oneiric UDS my flight got delayed due to that Volcano
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Ej-whatever-the-hell-it's-name-was 
[14:11] <jtechidna> luckily it was only delayed on the way there :P
[14:11] <jtechidna> not fun being stuck in a foreign country
[14:11] <Mamarok> Eyjafjallajökull
[14:13] <apachelogger> jtechidna: lol
[14:13] <apachelogger> jtechidna: someone from akademy got stuck in poland for like 2 days (weekend)
[14:13] <apachelogger> can't recall who though
[14:13] <jtechidna> ouch
[14:14] <apachelogger> unless you have business to attend that is not too terrible IMHO, can do some sight seeing and stuff
[14:14] <jtechidna> yeah
[14:15] <jtechidna> man, I have final exams for the spring semester May 9-16. hopefully they don't schedule UDS during those :s
[14:16] <jtechidna> but given their track record, they probably will
[14:16] <jtechidna> things were fine until they changed up the release schedule to release on 10.10.10 :P
[14:17]  * apachelogger waves fist
[14:17] <agateau> shadeslayer: pauseError->setLayout(...) that looks wrong: it should be d->ui.verticalLayout->addWidget(pauseError)
[14:17] <shadeslayer> agateau: yeah, did that as well, still no luck
[14:18] <agateau> shadeslayer: how does it look?
[14:18] <Mamarok> what do they mean by "Would you be willing to participate as member of the crew?"?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> agateau: http://i.imgur.com/cCim2.png
[14:18] <agateau> Mamarok: man cameras and stuff like that
[14:18] <Mamarok> as in crew organizing uds-r?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> agateau: http://paste.kde.org/527156 < ui file
[14:19] <jtechidna> The crew was responsible for changing signs around the meeting venue
[14:19] <jtechidna> I did it and got a nice t-shirt
[14:20] <agateau> shadeslayer: mmm, can you push the code to bzr +junk or kde scratch?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> sure
[14:20] <shadeslayer> give me a couple of minutes
[14:20] <agateau> actually, one thing you need to do is to add the KMW once
[14:20] <agateau> at startup, create the widget, just don't show it
[14:20] <agateau> when you get an error, set the error message and call animatedShow()
[14:21] <shadeslayer> hmm .. sounds sane, I'll just add it to the d-pointer ...
[14:21] <agateau> otherwise you will create a KMW everytime there is an error
[14:21] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:21] <agateau> not sure it is going to fix your problem, but it's better anyway
[14:23] <csslayer> ScottK: hi, I notice there is some discussion about kubuntu and ibus.. while I would recommend kubuntu to switch to fcitx, I'm the main developer of fcitx, I already send a mail to maillist, but seems no kubuntu-dev reply on it yet. do you have any concern on this?
[14:23] <rbelem> Riddell, yup :-)
[14:23] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:23] <ScottK> csslayer: Hello.  I had intended to reply, but lost track.
[14:24] <ScottK> (I actually thought I had)
[14:24]  * apachelogger points out that it seems one needs to switch input technology every 3 years or so
[14:24]  * rbelem is hacking zatab now
[14:24] <ScottK> Since we're part of the Ubuntu project, it's generally better for us to use the same things they are unless there's a good reason.
[14:25] <ScottK> csslayer: What are the advantages of fcitx over ibus?
[14:25] <apachelogger> rbelem: that reminds me
[14:25] <apachelogger> yofel_: did you ask zareason about shippery?
[14:25] <csslayer> ScottK: well, as I already stated in the mail, quite a lot better kde integration.
[14:25] <rbelem> Riddell, i will be two days in home, before switching to samsung
[14:25] <ScottK> Right.
[14:25] <csslayer> ScottK: and gtk-free.
[14:26] <ScottK> We have two problems:
[14:26] <ScottK> 1.  Get precise working.
[14:26] <ScottK> 2.  Make it really good in quantal.
[14:26] <ScottK> For problem #1 it's got to be ibus.
[14:26]  * rbelem hugs apachelogger 
[14:26] <ScottK> So I think we need to go through the ibus stuff, get it working and then look into alternatives.
[14:26] <ScottK> gtk free is definitely nice.
[14:26] <freeflying> ScottK: +1 for adopting fcitx in kubuntu
[14:26]  * apachelogger rehuggles the rbelem
[14:27] <rbelem> :-)
[14:27] <ScottK> freeflying or csslayer : Are there packages for it?
[14:27] <freeflying> ScottK: yes, and well maintained in Debian
[14:27] <ScottK> OK.  That's good news.
[14:27] <freeflying> ScottK: also csslayer is the upstreamer maintainer
[14:27] <csslayer> ScottK: yes, we have quite well communication with debian packager.
[14:28] <ScottK> That's all good.
[14:28] <freeflying> ScottK: he did offer his hands to help make it better in kubuntu
[14:28] <csslayer> ScottK: not to say I'm kimpanl's maintainer, too :)
[14:28] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ seems worth investigating.
[14:28] <ScottK> :-)
[14:28] <ScottK> That's also important.
[14:28] <freeflying> Riddell: I strongly second csslayer's proposal
[14:28] <ScottK> Quintasan: ^^^ you around?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> agateau: interesting, as soon as I allocate memory to KMW it shows up
[14:29] <ScottK> He was looking into quantal while I was focused on precise.
[14:29]  * freeflying switched to use fcitx 2 yrs back
[14:29] <Riddell> I do keep hearing good things about fcitx
[14:29]  * rbelem goes back to zatab
[14:29] <agateau> shadeslayer: oh right
[14:30] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:30] <agateau> shadeslayer: call hide() on it after creating it
[14:30] <freeflying> Riddell: or we may bring it to UDS, and get csslayer there? :P
[14:30]  * apachelogger found an agateau
[14:31] <agateau> apachelogger: where did you find that?
[14:31] <apachelogger> agateau: if you get a chance please run gwenview with video through gdb, when video locks up get a thread apply all bt sample
[14:31] <apachelogger> actually
[14:31] <apachelogger> more like 4 samples or so
[14:32] <apachelogger> I suspect there is a deadlock in the frame delivery, just not sure why as the code is only locked in one function 
[14:32] <apachelogger> all bit mysterious
[14:32] <apachelogger> also I cannot replicate the issue on vlc master
[14:32] <shadeslayer> agateau: repo is kde:scratch/garg/ktp-call-ui , branch is holdCalls
[14:33]  * agateau clones
[14:33]  * apachelogger doesn't get anything done because he is hopping from one construction site to another -.-
[14:33] <ScottK> freeflying: I think we should fix it for quantal and not wait for UDS.
[14:33] <ScottK> If we're going to make major technology changes, the release right after LTS is the best place.
[14:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Based on what I'm hearing it seems reasonable to me to take fcitx for a spin and see how it goes for beta 1.
[14:35] <agateau> apachelogger: what is this "sample" argument?
[14:35] <apachelogger> agateau: nah, I meant get the output of that, then continue, get another output, continue, get another output
[14:36] <apachelogger> i.e. draw samples of the thread states at various times ^^
[14:36]  * apachelogger adds gwenview to phonon's functional release QA
[14:37] <freeflying> ScottK: terrific
[14:37] <happyaron> cool!
[14:38] <agateau> apachelogger: ah ok!
[14:38] <ScottK> freeflying: It still needs some others to agree and someone to do the packaging work.
[14:38] <ScottK> As I mentioned, I'm focused on precise at the moment.
[14:39] <happyaron> ScottK: what do you mean by packaging?
[14:39] <freeflying> ScottK: ppa:fcitx-team/nightly
[14:39] <freeflying> ScottK: you may give a try with precise
[14:40] <ScottK> freeflying: Right, but I have to get ibus working for 4.8.5.  I'm doing that first.
[14:41] <Riddell> ScottK: I agree although I'm not sure what it takes to change it
[14:41] <Mamarok> well, now I get an error: "The username (myriam) with which you tried to log in is already in use for a different account."
[14:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Hopefully Quintasan will show up and save us.
[14:44] <csslayer> Riddell: check im-switch file for ibus, and change QT4_IM_MODULE to QT_IM_MODULE, I think that will work.
[14:45] <jussi> Riddell: lets see if I can manage it :P
[14:46] <Riddell> jussi: bring along the bairn so we can coo
[14:46] <jussi> Riddell: Ill see what I can work up
[14:48] <agateau> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/527186
[14:49] <apachelogger> merci bc
[14:50] <apachelogger> hrm, vlc is locking
[14:50] <apachelogger> fun
[14:50] <apachelogger> I'll have to try with precise's vlc later
[14:50]  * apachelogger rushes to appointment
[14:56] <shadeslayer> agateau: any luck?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> any news from LittleGirl?
[14:57] <agateau> shadeslayer: git clone went well, now I need to build it :)
[14:57] <shadeslayer> ;)
[14:58] <agateau> mmm, missing deps
[14:58]  * agateau hunts for telepathy dev pkg
[15:03] <yofel_> apachelogger: no, totally forgot to ask :(
[15:04] <yofel_> Riddell: do you know until when the sponship form is open? I'll know whether I'll be able to go around the 12th
[15:06] <agateau> shadeslayer: doesn't build here :/
[15:06] <shadeslayer> whut
[15:07] <shadeslayer> agateau: missing deps?
[15:07] <agateau> shadeslayer: no, missing error-free code :)
[15:07] <agateau> shadeslayer:  home/aurelien/tmp/ktp-call-ui/libktpcall/private/phonon-integration.cpp:103:1: error: control reaches end of non-void function [-Werror=return-type]
[15:08] <shadeslayer> I ... don't follow, plus, I've just deleted my root partition in preparation for a reinstall, so it's going to be a bit before I can fix issues
[15:08] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:08] <shadeslayer> that's weird
[15:08] <agateau> work-arounded it
[15:10] <agateau> shadeslayer: ok, build and installed. how can I test it?
[15:11] <shadeslayer> agateau: run /path/to/ktp-call-ui ... it should be where you usually install libexec libs
[15:12] <shadeslayer> or if you have dbus stuff setup correctly, just run ktp-contact-list and call your phone over xmpp ( I usually test with my jabber id and my gtalk id, gtalk being on the phone )
[15:12] <agateau> I don't think I have all of this setup
[15:13] <agateau> shadeslayer: running it says: ktp-call-ui(17599) KTp::TelepathyHandlerApplication::Private::_k_onInitialTimeout: No job received. Exiting
[15:13] <shadeslayer> agateau: yeah, you have to be a bit quick, it exits in about 15 seconds or so
[15:13] <shadeslayer> make sure you can switch to the contact list ASAP
[15:14] <Peace-> btw on quantal there is not 4.9 right?
[15:14] <Peace-> it's still 4.8.90?
[15:19] <agateau> shadeslayer: ok, got it to run, how do I trigger an error?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> agateau: just flip the condition on the check and hit pause ;)
[15:20] <shadeslayer> it's in call-window.cpp
[15:21] <agateau> shadeslayer: any hint regarding the line number? :)
[15:22] <shadeslayer> erm, sec
[15:22] <agateau> shadeslayer: ah, line 453
[15:23] <shadeslayer> agateau: it's in  CallWindow::operationFinished
[15:23] <shadeslayer> for confirmation
[15:23] <shadeslayer> ah yes, 453
[15:24] <shadeslayer> and it's already flipped .... so just go ahead and push that pause button
[15:24] <agateau> just realized that :)
[15:24] <agateau> wondering why it did not show when I blindly removed the '!'
[15:25] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:27] <shadeslayer> just read this somewhere
[15:27] <shadeslayer> "C is truth"
[15:27] <shadeslayer> so .. profound
[15:29] <agateau> shadeslayer: GammaRay tells me verticalLayoutWidget_2, which is inside errorWidget, is not in a layout
[15:29] <shadeslayer> I don't think I've touched verticalLayoutWidget_2
[15:29] <agateau> then you should
[15:29] <shadeslayer> I thought it had 3 at the end
[15:30] <shadeslayer> it went something like : somePage->verticalLayout->errorWidget->layout
[15:30] <shadeslayer> s/layout/verticalLayout2/
[15:30] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "it went something like : somePage->verticalLayout->errorWidget->verticalLayout2"
[15:30] <agateau> yes, that's how it look in designer indeed
[15:30] <agateau> gammaray disagrees
[15:30] <shadeslayer> then either one of them is broken
[15:31] <agateau> anyway, verticalLayout_3 is floating inside errorWidget, that is wrong
[15:32] <agateau> shadeslayer: is errorWidget needed?
[15:32] <agateau> shadeslayer: looks like it's not used by the code
[15:33]  * agateau tries a fix
[15:33] <shadeslayer> agateau: that's what d_ed suggested, and no, it's not used by anything else
[15:35] <agateau> shadeslayer: quick fix gives this: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/02/plasma-windowedb18532.png
[15:35] <shadeslayer> bbl after dinner
[15:35] <agateau> shadeslayer: but one can declare KMessageWidget inside the ui, that's simpler
[15:35] <shadeslayer> agateau: resize the window?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> does 
[15:36] <shadeslayer> km
[15:36] <shadeslayer> *does KMW follow the new size?
[15:36] <agateau> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/02/plasma-windowedq18532.png
[15:36] <shadeslayer> whee
[15:37] <shadeslayer> agateau: I didn't know that you could declare a KMW in the ui file
[15:37] <agateau> shadeslayer: it is a bit tricky
[15:37] <agateau> shadeslayer: KMW inherit from QFrame, so you add a QFrame
[15:37] <shadeslayer> show me the tricks o wise one
[15:38] <agateau> shadeslayer: then right click it and select "promote to..."
[15:38] <agateau> shadeslayer: then fill the form
[15:38] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[15:38] <shadeslayer> I'll try that after reinstalling Kooboontoo
[15:40] <BluesKaj> in the US it's Koobuntoo , bun as in hotdog bun :)
[15:40] <jocarter> that's awful.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> that's the way I've heard it pronounced on some youtube tutorials
[15:42] <BluesKaj> in Canada it's the same as shadeslayer's 
[15:43] <agateau> shadeslayer: here you go: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/02/plasma-windowedc18532.png
[15:44] <agateau> shadeslayer: and the patch: http://paste.kde.org/527228/
[15:44] <apol_> jtechidna: JontheEchidna: which one are you?
[15:46] <jocarter> BluesKaj: yeah at least "kooboontoo" is close to how "ooboontoo" should be pronounced. but I guess technically it's not a word so it should matter
[15:46] <jocarter> BluesKaj: just kind of sad to hear it being butchered like that :)
[15:46] <shadeslayer> agateau: looks flipping awesome
[15:47] <Riddell> yofel_: dunno ask jono I guess
[15:47] <Riddell> Mamarok: did you get sorted or is it still broken?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> agateau: thank you :)
[15:48] <BluesKaj> americanization of words are rampant in the US , like processes has become prawsesseeze in some places ..and on it goes
[15:48] <agateau> shadeslayer: you're welcome!
[15:49] <shadeslayer> agateau: any notes on how we can improve the UI ?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> you should setup a fix-shitty-ui's-in-KDE-hack-day once every month and take a project and tell them what needs improvement :P
[15:50] <jussi> shadeslayer: ++
[15:50] <agateau> shadeslayer: that is one of the thing I want to achieve with extra mile bugs
[15:51] <jussi> seriously, we should have a UI focus day
[15:51] <shadeslayer> jussi: agateau what KDE needs right now is loads of polish
[15:51] <agateau> the frame around the avatar should be reworked I think
[15:51] <agateau> I would try to make it look like a media player
[15:52] <agateau> black bg
[15:52] <agateau> takes full width (including borders
[15:52] <shadeslayer> yeah, that's something I want to do as well
[15:52] <agateau> no bevel
[15:52] <shadeslayer> focus on the video itself
[15:52] <shadeslayer> or the avatar for that matter
[15:52] <agateau> yes
[15:53] <agateau> the bottom toolbar and statusbar could be merged as well
[15:53] <agateau> but I don't know the application well enough to give good advice there
[15:53] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:02] <jtechidna> apol_: jtechidna is my work one, JontheEchidna is at home
[16:02] <apol_> ... xD dude, use Quassel
[16:03] <apol_> jtechidna: i sent you an e-mail
[16:03] <jtechidna> ok, I just got back from lunch
[16:03] <jtechidna> apol_: I'll take a look at the branch when I get back home
[16:03] <jtechidna> neat @ Muon on Arch tho :)
[16:04] <apol_> xD
[16:04] <jtechidna> Is arch still using alqm or alpm or whatever?
[16:05] <apol_> jtechidna: no idea :D
[16:05] <jtechidna> look like it.
[16:05] <apol_> jtechidna: it only lists the OCS stuff there
[16:06] <jtechidna> I think the next step on the OCS frontier would be getting a "Desktop Widgets" section
[16:10] <BluesKaj> jtechidna:  I'm not the dullest knife in the drawer , but I still do not "get" the activities reason for being
[16:10] <jtechidna> I don't use 'em
[16:11] <jtechidna> virtual desktops work fine for me
[16:11] <BluesKaj> yup , that's what I use
[16:13] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:18] <Mamarok> Riddell: got it sorted, actually part of it, they areworking on it
[16:18] <Riddell> well done
[16:33] <shadeslayer__> so, I think I found a bug in the installer
[16:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer__: surely not!
[16:34] <shadeslayer__> clicking the 'x' here doesn't do anything : http://i.imgur.com/AiVJf.png
[16:34] <shadeslayer__> :P
[16:34] <shadeslayer__> iirc the last time I tried to click it, it crashed the installr
[16:34] <shadeslayer__> *installer
[16:34] <shadeslayer__> so maybe someone disabled it
[16:36] <shadeslayer__>  brb reboot
[18:32] <ScottK> When I build kdepim-runtime for 4.8.5, it doesn't build akonadi_calendarsearch_agent.  When I build kdepim-runtime 4.8.4 against the kde4libs/kdepimlibs for 4.8.5, then it does.  Here's the full 4.8.4 -> 4.8.5 diff for kdepim-runtime: http://paste.debian.net/181730/
[18:32] <ScottK> Thoughts?
[18:37] <rdieter> ScottK: kdepim-runtime-4.8.5/agents/CMakeLists.txt:#add_subdirectory( calendarsearch )
[18:37] <rdieter> ScottK: looks like it's commented-out
[18:38] <ScottK> rdieter: Thanks.  Missed that in the diff.
[18:38] <ScottK> That would certainly do it.
[18:39] <rbelem> ScottK, kubuntu-desktop seems to be broken on arm
[18:46] <BluesKaj> rbelem:  how ?, working fine here 
[18:46] <BluesKaj> oh sorry didn't see arm , rbelem
[18:47] <BluesKaj> been thinking about an arm project for my HT
[18:48] <rbelem> :-)
[18:49] <ScottK> rdieter: That was exactly it.  Thanks again.
[18:49] <rdieter> ScottK: np (I ran into it too)
[20:18] <ScottK> rdieter_laptop: Did you hit any other issues?
[20:19] <rdieter_laptop> ScottK: just saw an odd build failure in kdf, but I'm seeing it's reproducible or not
[20:19] <SteveRiley> apachelogger: hottest topics from...what? the forum? the irc channel(s)?
[20:19] <ScottK> rdieter_laptop: kdf?
[20:19] <rdieter_laptop> ScottK: ark added some icons, but that's welcome
[20:20] <ScottK> Yeah, that counts as a fix.
[20:20] <rdieter_laptop> ScottK: nobody really should care about kdf anyway (kde disk formatter) :-/
[20:21] <rdieter_laptop> err, wait, KDiskFree
[20:21] <rdieter_laptop> I guess I was mixing it up with kfloppy
[20:24] <ScottK> If I believe https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeutils/kdf/repository/show?rev=KDE%2F4.8 it doesn't look like anything changed in it for 4.8.5.
[20:26] <SteveRiley> Riddell: i presume you're referring to UDS? indeed, the date would work. i'll need to check into travel costs. 
[20:26] <ScottK> SteveRiley: You can ask if Canonical will sponsor you.
[20:30] <SteveRiley> ScottK: ah, ok... http://uds.ubuntu.com appears not to have info on how to get sponsored. is there another route to finding out how?
[20:31] <SteveRiley> (i am the Delta lounge at DCA airport, shitty connection, slow web pages, errors, &c. *whine*)
[20:31]  * SteveRiley gets another gin tonic
[20:33] <ScottK> SteveRiley: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/sponsorship/
[20:33] <ScottK> SteveRiley: You're about 90 minutes from my house then.
[20:34] <SteveRiley> ScottK: well i come here about every three months. we should meet up
[20:34] <ScottK> And yes, copious alcohol before flying out of DCA is a great idea (although make sure you can make it 30 minutes from takeoff without having to get up ...)
[20:34] <ScottK> OK.
[20:35] <SteveRiley> ah, the alaska air gate is very close to the lounge. fortunately
[20:36] <jjesse> DCA is a nice airport to fly in and out of
[20:36] <jjesse> realitively painless
[20:36] <SteveRiley> whoops, didn't read what you wrote closely enough. i don't recall a 30-minute must-sit requirement last time i flew out of dca
[20:38] <ScottK> It's been awhile since I did, maybe they got rid of it (I'm a lot closer to BWI).
[20:39] <SteveRiley> they got the tsa pre-check here. yay. 10 seconds through security, love it
[20:39] <SteveRiley> anyway... all this airport stuff ain't kubuntu-devel related
[20:42] <ScottK> Don't even get me started on TSA.  That would definitely be OT.
[20:58] <SteveRiley> okie, sponsorship request has been submitted. will let you all know what happens ... time to fly!
[21:07] <valorie> going to UDS would be lovely, but I don't think this year
[21:07] <valorie> just booked tickets to the Randa sprint in Switzerland, end of Sept.
[21:07] <valorie> \o/
[21:08] <valorie> on of these days I won't be visiting my daddy every other night, and will get active here again
[21:11] <elliria> Hey there' it's littlergirl checking in on my tablet. I hope you guys got my last-second email!
[21:13] <ScottK> Hello elliria .
[21:14] <ScottK> Not sure.
[21:14] <elliria> Is everything going well?
[21:15] <ScottK> Reasonably.
[21:15] <ScottK> Could use more help, as always ...
[21:17] <elliria> I'll help again when I'm back on my computer. Hopefully that won't be too long. (:
[21:17] <ScottK> Sure thing.
[21:19] <elliria> Have fun meanwhile! I'm off to learn about the tablet. (:
[22:01] <ScottK> Why did we add wxwidgets to the supported seed?
[22:01]  * ScottK certainly doesn't want to support such insanity.
[22:04] <Daskreech> Do we add any Kubuntu info to http://kde.org/info/4.9.0.php or http://www.kde.org/download/distributions.php ?
[22:09] <Daskreech> or does thepackages have to move out of backports ?
[22:11] <yofel_> Daskreech: we usually do that together with the announcement - and with the packages slightly broken there was none
[22:12] <Daskreech> How slight?
[22:12] <yofel_> wrong lib version in kdelibs requiring a rebuild of several of the other packages
[22:13] <Daskreech> Ah
[22:13] <Daskreech> will it be topiced in #kubuntu ?
[22:14]  * micahg wonders why the new KDE stack didn't go though -proposed
[22:18] <Riddell> micahg: hmm that didn't occut to me for some reason, I'm not in the practice yet of using it outside freezes
[22:19] <yofel_> micahg: why should it? we're not in soft freeze?
[22:19] <ScottK> Still seems like overkill to me.
[22:19] <yofel_> wait, we're supposed to use that always now?
[22:19] <ScottK> Honestly, if people can't handle a little archive skew, they shouldn't run the devel release, no matter how smooth we try to make it.
[22:19] <Riddell> yofel_: for large package collections
[22:20] <ScottK> yofel_: Only for things that affect installability of multiple packages.
[22:20] <yofel_> ah
[22:20] <micahg> just something to keep in mind, that stack affects quite a bit
[22:21] <micahg> ScottK: while I agree, that's not the way it's being pushed, so I think we need to tread with more caution to prevent blowing up people's systems (in the end it's their fault, but we can mitigate most of it)
[22:21] <ScottK> Oh. Cantor.  Now I understand wx.
[22:22] <ScottK> micahg: Canonical management insanity is not my responsibility.
[22:26] <micahg> ScottK: it's project wide usage at this point AIUI
[22:27] <ScottK> Yes, well, if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you?
[22:28] <ScottK> The development release is for, um, development and $STUFF will happen.
[22:28] <ScottK> If you can't managed dealing with that $STUFF, don't run it.
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> 10 files changed, 1003 deletions(-)
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> that feel
[22:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what's that?
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I deleted 2 classes that were replaced by some that apol_ wrote
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> in Muon
[22:42] <apol_> JontheEchidna: :D
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> apol_: ApplicationModel and ApplicationProxyModel are no more
[22:43]  * apol_ hugs JontheEchidna
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> apol_: mind if I disable the role type debug in ResourcesModel?
[22:51] <apol_> JontheEchidna: no problem
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> k, cool
[22:51] <apol_> JontheEchidna: do you get a lot of warnings?
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> apol_: yeah
[22:52] <apol_> JontheEchidna: maybe we should look into this....
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> apol_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1126111/
[22:53] <apol_> JontheEchidna: do you get that in discover too?
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> apol_: dunno, tons of KNSBackend debug there xD
[22:53] <apol_> yes... I hate that too
[22:53] <apol_> JontheEchidna: I even sent the patch to attica
[22:53] <apol_> to fix that :S
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> apol_: no, I don't think I get those warnings in discover
[22:54] <apol_> JontheEchidna: ok then don't remove it and I'll check tomorrow
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> ok
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> the delegate looks normal, so I don't know what it's trying to get that ResourcesModel can't provide
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> apol_: btw, the aptify branch looks good
[22:56] <apol_> yep
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> maybe name the class QAptIntegration though?
[22:56] <apol_> JontheEchidna: feel free to change it
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> ok
[22:57] <apol_> JontheEchidna: I don't like to stop working when I know what I want to do just because I need to figure out a good name :$
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> apol_: also, I removed the broken Zeitgeist stuff
[22:58] <apol_> JontheEchidna: was it all this broken?
[22:58] <apol_> :P
[22:58] <apol_> i thought it was cool if it worked
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> even when it wasn't broken, nothing had zeitgeist integration that could be used
[22:59] <apol_> hm
[22:59] <apol_> ok
[22:59] <apol_> hten
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> to test it I had to compile a zeitgeist plugin for kate to use it
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> but that was the only thing that I ever had to test it with, lol
[22:59] <apol_> but zeitgeist is a good way to approach gnome :P
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> for some reason every app just returns 1 use, even uninstalled apps xD
[23:08] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!! 
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> hello
[23:10] <DoctorPepper>  can anyone please help me ,  trying to build networkmanagement plasmoid but i get the following errors:  /
[23:10] <DoctorPepper> usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/deprecated/gthread.h:135:3: error: conflicting declaration ‘typedef struct GStaticMutex GStaticMutex’
[23:10] <DoctorPepper> /usr/include/glib-2.0/glibconfig.h:160:30: error: ‘GStaticMutex’ has a previous declaration as ‘typedef struct _GStaticMutex GStaticMutex’
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> DoctorPepper: try running sudo apt-get build-dep networkmanagement
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> it should get you all the required build dependencies
[23:33] <skreech__> Hi DoctorPepper
[23:33] <DoctorPepper> hi