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| smartboyhw | What's the next meeting coming? | 11:32 |
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| smartboyhw | Hello | 11:52 |
| bootini | hi | 11:57 |
| bootini | next meeting ... dunno | 11:57 |
| astraljava | smartboyhw: Calendar is at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar. | 12:15 |
| smartboyhw | Yeah, great... | 12:28 |
| * skaet waves | 14:01 | |
| * stgraber waves | 14:01 | |
| stgraber | smoser, stokachu, jibel, NCommander, jamespage: ping | 14:01 |
| NCommander | o/ | 14:01 |
| seb128 | hey | 14:02 |
| smartboyhw | Oh, what meeting is this? | 14:02 |
| stgraber | #startmeeting 12.04.1 team meeting | 14:02 |
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| smartboyhw | Good... | 14:02 |
| Daviey | smoser is here, he is just slacking. | 14:02 |
| stgraber | #topic Action items review | 14:02 |
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| arges | o/ | 14:02 |
| stgraber | so, only action on the list is xnox's usual item but he's not around, so keeping on the list ;) | 14:03 |
| stgraber | #topic Review of upcoming deadlines | 14:03 |
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| stgraber | Daviey: good to know ;) | 14:03 |
| smartboyhw | o/ | 14:03 |
| stgraber | - today 21:00 UTC: Beginning of PointReleaseProcess and DesktopInfrastructureFreeze | 14:03 |
| stgraber | - 2012/08/09: KernelFreeze, LanguageTranslationDeadline, SRU Fix Validation Testing | 14:03 |
| stgraber | - 2012/08/16: FinalFreeze, ReleaseNoteFreeze | 14:03 |
| stgraber | - 2012/08/23: Ubuntu 12.04.1 | 14:03 |
| smartboyhw | o/ | 14:04 |
| stgraber | please remind all your team members that uploads for the point release need to happen by TODAY 21:00 UTC (7 hours from now) | 14:04 |
| stgraber | smartboyhw: yes? | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | Er, thank you for giving us, the QA team, to test daily builds | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | We will be testing the builds progressively in the weeks... | 14:05 |
| smartboyhw | .. | 14:05 |
| stgraber | cool, thanks | 14:05 |
| stgraber | #topic Quick look through the current bug lists, checking for progress. | 14:05 |
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| stgraber | The number of targeted bugs went from 106 last week to 75! | 14:05 |
| stgraber | Of these 75, 32 are in fix commited state (likely waiting in -proposed) | 14:05 |
| stgraber | and 9 are marked "in progress" (waiting to be approved). | 14:05 |
| stgraber | So that's 34 bugs that still need fixing of which 12 aren't assigned to somebody. | 14:05 |
| seb128 | it would help if http://people.canonical.com/~arges/point-release/milestone-12.04.1.html was updated | 14:05 |
| seb128 | the current page is from july 26 | 14:05 |
| stgraber | arges: ^ | 14:06 |
| arges | seb128, yes | 14:06 |
| arges | seb128, so i'm trying to get it set up as a cronjob on cranberry | 14:06 |
| smoser | o/ | 14:06 |
| arges | seb128, working with DAs on getting that going | 14:06 |
| arges | and skaet , Ursinha , bdmurray etc | 14:06 |
| seb128 | can you run it manually once today? | 14:07 |
| arges | seb128, yea i'll just do that | 14:07 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:07 |
| stgraber | The full list of bugs can be found at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=49926 | 14:07 |
| stgraber | The list of remaining bugs to fix can be found at: http://goo.gl/RUiZe | 14:07 |
| stgraber | Some of these aren't assigned to someone yet: http://goo.gl/22zV2 | 14:07 |
| stgraber | Any bug that's on the list and doesn't have a fix in -proposed or waiting in the unapproved queue will be re-targeted to 12.04.2 shortly after 21:00 UTC today. | 14:07 |
| stgraber | It'd be good if all teams could go through the bug list and re-target bugs to realistic milestones before I re-target the rest to 12.04.2. | 14:07 |
| stgraber | If you have any bug that absolutely needs to be fixed for 12.04.1 and needs to stay on the list, please ping me with the bug number so I make sure not to move it to 12.04.2. Current list is: bug 1017001, bug 991982, bug 1029531 and bug 987411. | 14:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1017001 in apt (Ubuntu Quantal) "package resolvconf 1.63ubuntu14 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: pre-dependency problem - not installing resolvconf" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017001 | 14:08 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 991982 could not be found | 14:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1029531 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "cdromupgrade from Lucid to Precise failed with unmet dependencies without network connection" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029531 | 14:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 987411 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu Quantal) "layout of browser slide in Lubuntu slide show broken (german)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/987411 | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | how to ping? | 14:09 |
| stgraber | any other bugs that you know won't make it by the deadline but is needed for the point release? | 14:09 |
| smartboyhw | I thoughy 1029531 is a serious one | 14:09 |
| stgraber | yes, and if you look up, you'll see that it's on the list of bugs that are allowed to be fixed post-deadline | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | What is bug 991982/ | 14:10 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 991982 could not be found | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | See... | 14:10 |
| stgraber | critical security bug | 14:10 |
| stgraber | can't give more details than that, sorry. I have the fix for it but because of its nature, it'll only be uploaded very shortly before we build the final images. | 14:11 |
| stgraber | #topic Media oversizedness | 14:11 |
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| stgraber | Just wanted to give a quick status update on that one. | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | Yeah, they really need to be fixed | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | Thanks, stgraber | 14:11 |
| stgraber | infinity uploaded a new live-build fixing the duplication of kernel headers | 14:12 |
| stgraber | this should free around 2MB per affected livefs | 14:12 |
| stgraber | so that's still between 5MB and 7MB that need to be tracked down and fixed by either changing whatever's taking the extra space or removing langpacks | 14:12 |
| smartboyhw | Removing langpacks would be a good idea, I think | 14:12 |
| smartboyhw | Put it in the DVDs:) | 14:13 |
| stgraber | removing some langpacks is the usual last option, sadly we've been using that trick quite a lot lately so there's pretty much nothing to remove | 14:13 |
| stgraber | anyway, I'll be looking into that later this week (after the deadline), it might require some uploads or if we're lucky, just seed changes | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | HAHA | 14:14 |
| seb128 | do we know what took the place between 12.04 and 12.04.1 | 14:15 |
| seb128 | ? | 14:15 |
| smartboyhw | Daily builds? | 14:15 |
| seb128 | what about daily builds? | 14:16 |
| stgraber | seb128: nope, though the current guess is firefox/thunderbird/libreoffice, but that's just a guess | 14:16 |
| smartboyhw | It's the Daily Builds compiled for 12.04.1 and 12.10, which we QA Team test... | 14:16 |
| stgraber | skaet: hmm, I thought the upper limit was 703MB bug I see a kubuntu build at 704MB not marked as oversized... will have to check if that's just a rounding issue or if something's broken with the check | 14:17 |
| skaet | seb128, we've got scripts that will pull the changelogs | 14:17 |
| smartboyhw | It is 703MiB... | 14:17 |
| seb128 | skaet, I though we had tools telling us what changed between isos? | 14:18 |
| smartboyhw | I mean the limit | 14:18 |
| stgraber | seb128: I believe we have tools to diff the manifests though we don't have enough history data to pinpoint the image where we went oversized | 14:18 |
| skaet | stgraber, yeah, all of the flavors will need to be double checked. | 14:18 |
| stgraber | so will have to go through a pretty long list | 14:19 |
| smartboyhw | Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Normal Ubuntu... | 14:19 |
| smartboyhw | Xubuntu | 14:19 |
| smartboyhw | .. | 14:19 |
| stgraber | #topic Round table | 14:20 |
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| stgraber | stgraber@castiana:~$ echo $(shuf -e NCommander seb128 stgraber stokachu arges jibel skaet smoser jamespage) | 14:20 |
| stgraber | smoser stokachu seb128 jibel NCommander stgraber skaet jamespage arges | 14:20 |
| stgraber | smoser: you win :) | 14:20 |
| smartboyhw | Congrats... | 14:20 |
| skaet | seb128, there are some tools, but improvements needed. :/ | 14:20 |
| smoser | ok. | 14:20 |
| smoser | we have made some progress.. again, maas is our big thing that is left out | 14:20 |
| smoser | roaksoax is working on that. | 14:20 |
| smoser | i had told him that today is deadline, but honestly i think that next week is a better target for his work (and more realisitic) | 14:21 |
| smoser | fi there are other thing sthat you feel need priority, then i'm willing to go find a stick. | 14:21 |
| Daviey | .. well today is simply not viable. | 14:21 |
| smartboyhw | I agree... | 14:21 |
| smoser | other than that, i think we're doing ok, and that is all from me. | 14:21 |
| stgraber | smoser, Daviey, jamespage: can you give me a list of server bugs that you will fix for the point release but won't make it today? | 14:22 |
| smoser | stgraber, can i come back to you with that? | 14:22 |
| stgraber | sure, just make sure you give me that before 21:00 UTC if you don't want to see your bugs getting milestoned to .2 :) | 14:22 |
| stgraber | stokachu: | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw | Could one of you go to the Ubuntu QA Meeting on 8th August? | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw | I will add it to the agenda to discuss about 12.04.1 | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw | 1400UTC | 14:23 |
| smoser | k | 14:23 |
| stgraber | smartboyhw: can you wait until we're done with the roundtable and get to the AOB part of the meeting? (I won't make it at least, meeting conflict) | 14:24 |
| smartboyhw | Sorry... | 14:24 |
| stgraber | seb128: you're up (no stokachu apparently) | 14:25 |
| seb128 | hey | 14:25 |
| seb128 | so desktop is mostly done for .1, some bugs didn't made it but that's not end of the world and not important for the iso | 14:25 |
| arges | stgraber, yea no stokes. i know he's been heads down with multiarch work | 14:25 |
| seb128 | we still have a nux and some easy updates in the proposed queue | 14:25 |
| seb128 | upload date is counted for what goes in right? | 14:26 |
| stgraber | yes | 14:26 |
| stgraber | if it's in unapproved, it's fine by me | 14:26 |
| seb128 | we delayed the unity performances improvement to after .1, too risky that late | 14:26 |
| seb128 | otherwise something to sort for .1 | 14:26 |
| seb128 | the desktop team really wants whoopsie off by default | 14:26 |
| seb128 | what's the right place, people to discuss, decide this? | 14:26 |
| skaet | seb128, start a thread on ubuntu-release | 14:27 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:27 |
| smartboyhw | I will go to #ubuntu-release now to see... | 14:27 |
| seb128 | .. | 14:27 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm... | 14:27 |
| seb128 | I'm done otherwise | 14:27 |
| seb128 | what's the opinion of people here on whoopsie by default? | 14:27 |
| arges | seb128, skaet : i've been noticing its popping up a lot less with the latest precise... does it not pop up if its a known crash? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | arges, it does stop bothering you after 3 times, but that's considered a bug by the whoopsie guys, it should bother you every time you hit the bug | 14:28 |
| arges | seb128, hmm. whats the bug #? | 14:29 |
| arges | i've love to make sure i'm sending those reports | 14:29 |
| skaet | arges, ev will know for certain and should be part of the discussion at any rate. | 14:29 |
| seb128 | arges, not sure | 14:29 |
| arges | ok | 14:29 |
| stgraber | I think it'll be an interesting discussion, whoopsie was definitely designed to be always on but I can also see how it's annoying for some users. | 14:30 |
| seb128 | the cost-benefit seems in our disfavor at this point imho | 14:30 |
| seb128 | (I discussed that with pitti and didrocks and some others last week) | 14:30 |
| arges | either way it would be good for it to be switchable for those of us that want to send those reports | 14:31 |
| seb128 | we bother lot of users and give the impression that the system is unstable | 14:31 |
| stgraber | I'm wondering if we couldn't get away with changing the popup message and offering to "always silently report" and "never report for that user" in that same dialog, so that user can choose to stop being poked all the time but still send the crashes (making the choice to send us data without reviewing it first) | 14:31 |
| seb128 | imho we should have it always one, but not for the lts since it's too early | 14:31 |
| seb128 | errors.ubuntu.com is still buggy and we still have backlog of issues and annoy users too much | 14:32 |
| skaet | seb128, can you include the bug number info in the email thread (and if no bug number exists create one?) | 14:32 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:32 |
| stgraber | so yeah, I think it's a good discussion to have and one where we definitely need Evan involved, so ubuntu-release@lists.u.c sounds like the right place for that | 14:32 |
| seb128 | is ev on that list? | 14:32 |
| stgraber | good question | 14:32 |
| stgraber | skaet: can you check? (I don't have mailman access to that one) | 14:33 |
| skaet | seb128, I'll check, but make it explicit to him, just in case | 14:33 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:33 |
| smartboyhw | I'm back | 14:33 |
| stgraber | jibel: | 14:33 |
| stgraber | around? (I know you're sprinting) | 14:33 |
| jibel | hi | 14:33 |
| jibel | Ran manual upgrade tests, found 1029531 | 14:33 |
| jibel | Continued with SRU verification | 14:34 |
| jibel | Found a little confusion around Wubi images that were overwritting Quantal ones. | 14:34 |
| jibel | infinity fixed it 1 hour ago, waiting for Precise wubi images to show up and proceed to verification. | 14:34 |
| smartboyhw | Bug 1029531 | 14:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1029531 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "cdromupgrade from Lucid to Precise failed with unmet dependencies without network connection" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029531 | 14:34 |
| jibel | wubi.exe will need an update to point to the location of 12.04.1 disk images. | 14:34 |
| smartboyhw | I know that one | 14:34 |
| jibel | smartboyhw, please wait until .. | 14:34 |
| smartboyhw | I mean the bug | 14:34 |
| jibel | Not much otherwise since I've been sprinting all week, will continue with SRU verification next week. | 14:35 |
| jibel | .. | 14:35 |
| skaet | jibel, I've put a ping in to ev on update to 12.04.1 | 14:35 |
| jibel | skaet, ta | 14:35 |
| seb128 | did we sort out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsettings-desktop-schemas/+bug/1022864 btw | 14:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1022864 in gsettings-desktop-schemas (Ubuntu Quantal) "Lucid to Precise upgrade test failed: User settings are not preserved on upgrade" [High,New] | 14:35 |
| skaet | for wubi, but haven't heard back. will keep it on the radar. | 14:35 |
| jibel | seb128, no, not yet, it's on my todo first thing next week | 14:36 |
| seb128 | nobody replied to pitti's comment | 14:36 |
| seb128 | jibel, thanks | 14:36 |
| stgraber | NCommander: | 14:38 |
| NCommander | Highbank migrated to updates and is set for 12.04.1 | 14:38 |
| NCommander | I'm getting armadaxp checked in prep for 12.04.1 and we're looking pretty solid for the release | 14:38 |
| NCommander | .. | 14:39 |
| stgraber | stgraber: | 14:41 |
| stgraber | I've been going through the foundations bug, clearing the list quite a bit. We're now left with an eglibc update and the security bugs to upload | 14:42 |
| stgraber | eglibc should land this weekend at the latest, the others will land just before final freeze | 14:42 |
| stgraber | I've been doing a bit of verification, trying to get that list a bit shorter, uploaded and tested a refreshed ubiquity (picking up the ARM stuff and the d-i-u fix) | 14:43 |
| stgraber | I'll continue with the nagging for the rest of today, deal with the freeze (+ re-target) and then start looking into the oversizedness problem | 14:44 |
| stgraber | .. | 14:44 |
| stgraber | skaet: | 14:44 |
| skaet | New translations are being uploaded to -proposed now. | 14:44 |
| skaet | Daily Precise builds have been enabled for all the images on the manifest. | 14:44 |
| skaet | #action Flavor leads participating, please verify that the images are as you expect, and start smoke testing tomorrow to make sure all the right 12.04.1 bits are in place. | 14:44 |
| skaet | #link http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds | 14:44 |
| skaet | Will be starting on updating the Release Notes for 12.04.1 this week, and pulling information from the various leads. | 14:44 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Flavor leads participating, please verify that the images are as you expect, and start smoke testing tomorrow to make sure all the right 12.04.1 bits are in place. | 14:44 |
| skaet | What's new is that we will be snapshotting (and saving) what is currently there for 12.04 and then updating the notes to reflect the 12.04.1 status and changelogs. | 14:44 |
| skaet | .. | 14:44 |
| skaet | stgraber, there's an ABI bump on the new kernel, will you be handling it as well? | 14:45 |
| skaet | s/it/d-i changes/ | 14:45 |
| stgraber | skaet: I can do that, yes. | 14:45 |
| skaet | stgraber, thanks! :) | 14:45 |
| stgraber | skaet: what's the ETA for the new kernel? | 14:45 |
| stgraber | I know they have an extra week to have their things uploaded | 14:46 |
| skaet | stgraber, I'll get with you offline about it. There's one that just went up, but not sure if there will be another. | 14:46 |
| * skaet trying to get some more info on that | 14:48 | |
| skaet | .. | 14:48 |
| stgraber | jamespage: | 14:48 |
| Daviey | stgraber: he is away today | 14:49 |
| stgraber | ok | 14:49 |
| stgraber | arges: | 14:49 |
| arges | stgraber, been trying to get my reports on cranberry, working on this. | 14:49 |
| arges | in the meantime will get it working on my desktop. just updated the report. | 14:49 |
| arges | .. | 14:50 |
| stgraber | #topic AOB | 14:51 |
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| smartboyhw | o/ | 14:51 |
| stgraber | smartboyhw: go ahead | 14:51 |
| smartboyhw | Yep | 14:51 |
| smartboyhw | As I said before, I invite you to one of our QA meetings | 14:51 |
| smartboyhw | Since the QA team would like to talk about 12.04.1 | 14:52 |
| smartboyhw | Er... Maybe on 8th August or 15th August.. | 14:52 |
| smartboyhw | .. | 14:52 |
| skaet | smartboyhw, I'll try to be there | 14:52 |
| skaet | .. | 14:53 |
| stgraber | I have a conflict at that time but might still be looking at IRC, we'll see. | 14:53 |
| smartboyhw | The 8th August or 15th August? | 14:53 |
| smartboyhw | I only need 1 representative. | 14:53 |
| smartboyhw | .. | 14:54 |
| skaet | smartboyhw, I can do the 8th. | 14:54 |
| stgraber | my conflict is on every Wednesdays, so if skaet can make it, that's good. Though it sounds like we're having a lot of meetings (release + 12.04.1) and we already have jibel from QA in the 12.04.1 meeting to coordinate the work. | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | Good. I will add it to the agenda | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | 1400UTC, chair phillw. | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | .. | 14:55 |
| stgraber | alright, time to get back to trying to fix these 34 remaining bugs ;) | 14:55 |
| stgraber | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
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| stgraber | thanks everyone! | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | Thanks.. | 14:55 |
| skaet | Thanks stgraber | 14:55 |
| arges | thanks | 14:56 |
| arges | :q! | 14:56 |
| jibel | thank you stgraber | 14:56 |
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| czajkowski | pleia2: beuno shall we start :) | 17:00 |
| pleia2 | si! | 17:00 |
| beuno | o/ | 17:00 |
| czajkowski | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
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| JoseeAntonioR | hablando español, huh? | 17:00 |
| czajkowski | Aloha and welcome to Augusts meeting of the lovely CC folks :) | 17:00 |
| itnet7 | Hey there!~ | 17:01 |
| pleia2 | JoseeAntonioR: un poco | 17:01 |
| czajkowski | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 17:01 |
| czajkowski | this weeks agenda | 17:01 |
| czajkowski | #topic LoCo Council catch up | 17:01 |
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| czajkowski | itnet7: greg-g huats ping | 17:01 |
| itnet7 | Hey there again ;-) | 17:02 |
| czajkowski | thanks for coming to the meeting , this is just a catch up like last cycle to let the CC know how things are going, how they can help in any way and just general feedback | 17:02 |
| itnet7 | Cool, thanks for having us! | 17:02 |
| czajkowski | also apologies from sabdfl for the meeting | 17:03 |
| czajkowski | and from paolo, cproffit | 17:03 |
| pleia2 | summertime means vacations :) | 17:03 |
| czajkowski | itnet7: so care to tell us how the LC is doing ? anything you want to share ? | 17:04 |
| itnet7 | Things are going pretty well as far as I can tell, we're trying to find ways of working together, though it seems a lot of us have a bunch of stuff going on lately in our personal lives | 17:04 |
| pleia2 | I know how that can get :\ | 17:05 |
| pleia2 | how many reapprovals this cycle? | 17:05 |
| czajkowski | we had over 34 to do | 17:05 |
| czajkowski | and we're down to 15 | 17:05 |
| pleia2 | wow! | 17:05 |
| czajkowski | so that's been really good | 17:05 |
| pleia2 | nice job | 17:06 |
| czajkowski | and keeps us on our toes | 17:06 |
| czajkowski | many come to our meeting and others due to timezone difference and language come via email | 17:06 |
| czajkowski | which has worked out well and something we started to do to help people | 17:06 |
| pleia2 | great | 17:06 |
| itnet7 | Teams are very excited, and have been doing a lot of great things | 17:06 |
| pleia2 | council itself aside, any issues you're seeing with loco teams more generally? | 17:07 |
| czajkowski | one issue I see a lot is people not communicating issues down to the rest of their teams | 17:07 |
| itnet7 | agreed | 17:07 |
| czajkowski | so we may post stuff to loco contacts list but we don't know if it goes to the rest of the team | 17:08 |
| * pleia2 nods | 17:08 | |
| czajkowski | an example of this would be the CDs even up to re approvals we note people havent received their cds and it's just a case of people have just not made any noise about it, and an email later and they have been sorted | 17:08 |
| pleia2 | has the loco council blog helped with that at all do you think? | 17:08 |
| czajkowski | pleia2: a little but again not the level I'd hoped to be honest. | 17:08 |
| pleia2 | that's tough | 17:09 |
| itnet7 | I haven't really been able to contribute to the LC Blog | 17:09 |
| YokoZar | The CDs issue seems to be a recurrent one, honestly. I wonder if we can figure out a way to track/manage that better. | 17:10 |
| czajkowski | itnet7: I think we as a team could improve on that, so our monthly report could go on there | 17:10 |
| czajkowski | YokoZar: well out of over 80 teams, only 5 didn't get them so far | 17:10 |
| czajkowski | a lot of is it down to people not filling in the form correctly, or the CDs being stuck at customs in some counteries | 17:10 |
| czajkowski | it has improved vastly | 17:10 |
| pleia2 | without my CC hat on, the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter has a LoCo section, which we are always looking to populate, so if there is ever anything you guys need added there to help spread the word, please let me know (already grab everything that goes to planet) or if you have ideas for that section | 17:10 |
| czajkowski | pleia2: thank you | 17:11 |
| itnet7 | awesome | 17:11 |
| pleia2 | good to hear at least the CD situation is improving :) | 17:11 |
| czajkowski | indeed | 17:11 |
| czajkowski | an like all things, there is often some tweaking needed | 17:11 |
| czajkowski | so now more notice is given to people to apply, but even then people apply late so then large orders come in one go so we did ry and get people to appy early so itcould be better handled | 17:12 |
| czajkowski | there is often the big confusion of a TEAM CONTACT and a TEAM leader | 17:12 |
| czajkowski | and then some teams have a team council | 17:12 |
| itnet7 | Yeah, That's true | 17:12 |
| czajkowski | this leads to utter confusion | 17:13 |
| pleia2 | I bet | 17:13 |
| czajkowski | we have given feedback to shippit on this | 17:13 |
| czajkowski | asking for some fields not to be made mantatory like for example state, or zip/postal code | 17:13 |
| czajkowski | as some counteries do not have this | 17:13 |
| * pleia2 nods | 17:13 | |
| czajkowski | and it messes up shipping | 17:13 |
| czajkowski | so we do give feedback as much as possible | 17:13 |
| itnet7 | they have worked hard at correcting the issues once they are aware of them!! | 17:14 |
| czajkowski | nods | 17:14 |
| pleia2 | so, how do we get more loco teams blogging/writing/cheering about the awesome stuff they do so the whole community can see? :) | 17:14 |
| czajkowski | we we had hoped team reports would help there | 17:15 |
| czajkowski | at least to give us an insight reguarly but many dont do this and would like better intergration into loco.u.c which has been promoted a lot | 17:15 |
| pleia2 | team reports in general are in a pretty sad state, very few teams across the ubuntu community do them anymore | 17:15 |
| itnet7 | pleia2: as far as I can see, maybe we can indvidually encourage when we here some of the great things that teams are doing | 17:15 |
| czajkowski | itnet7: +1 | 17:16 |
| itnet7 | *hear | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | that'd be good | 17:16 |
| czajkowski | some of the re approval applications I've seen are mind blowing | 17:16 |
| czajkowski | it's amazing | 17:16 |
| beuno | and come out of the blue! | 17:16 |
| itnet7 | They have been great, and when teams take their time it makes the process go much smoother | 17:16 |
| beuno | you suddenly hear about amazing events | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | maybe use the loco council blog if they need a place to blog to? "guest post from the great columbian team!" or somesuch | 17:16 |
| itnet7 | pleia2: that sounds like a good idea! | 17:17 |
| YokoZar | czajkowski: ~shipit forms, I think there's "some solution" out there that knows exactly which countries need states/postal codes, and in those cases exactly how many digits they should be | 17:17 |
| JoseeAntonioR | erm, about the CD stuff, it's recurrent in South America (as far as I know), and some countries didn't get them out even if they paid their taxes, although a lot of them did get them paying | 17:17 |
| czajkowski | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ItalianTeam/ReApprovalApplication2012 as an example, highlight they have 27 Ubuntu members | 17:17 |
| pleia2 | gosh :) | 17:18 |
| czajkowski | pleia2: indeed right! | 17:18 |
| czajkowski | so maybe we should highlight these teams each month on the blog | 17:18 |
| pleia2 | yeah, that'd be really great, it's very inspiring | 17:18 |
| czajkowski | ok | 17:19 |
| pleia2 | sounds like things are mostly going well anyway, anything the CC can do to help at all? | 17:19 |
| czajkowski | itnet7: we shall do that | 17:19 |
| czajkowski | no I think we do need as a council to work better on feedback and moving things on ourselves | 17:19 |
| * pleia2 nods | 17:20 | |
| czajkowski | we have ideas and plans, and then we dont seem to be able to push past the discussion to make a decison as we have lots of opinions | 17:20 |
| czajkowski | which I find frustrating | 17:20 |
| itnet7 | agreed | 17:20 |
| itnet7 | but it seems that it's usually only contrversial type decisions | 17:20 |
| czajkowski | itnet7: well thats true indeed | 17:20 |
| itnet7 | I think for the most part we are working well, on day to day stuff | 17:20 |
| itnet7 | it's just the big items really | 17:21 |
| czajkowski | but thats sometimes where the bullet has to be bitten or we end up going around in circles hitting the same issue every few months | 17:21 |
| itnet7 | Yeah, I agree | 17:21 |
| czajkowski | itnet7: aye so we do work well we just could do with a bit more commuicating | 17:21 |
| czajkowski | I know timezones and personal lives are rather busy at times | 17:22 |
| pleia2 | I know you guys were doing hangouts (and inspired CC to as well), still doing those at all? | 17:22 |
| czajkowski | pleia2: we cant seem to find a suitable timezone one that isn't a weekend :/ | 17:22 |
| czajkowski | so no | 17:22 |
| * pleia2 nods | 17:22 | |
| czajkowski | which is a shame as they do work as the CC can tell to improve communication, even if the hangout is only 15 mins | 17:23 |
| pleia2 | yeah, just helps us pick up loose ends | 17:23 |
| itnet7 | czajkowski: we can probably work on trying to make the time, as I think the few I was able to attend were worthwhile | 17:23 |
| czajkowski | indeed | 17:23 |
| czajkowski | anyone any other comments. | 17:24 |
| pleia2 | thanks for coming :) | 17:25 |
| czajkowski | cheers | 17:25 |
| itnet7 | Thanks pleia2 ! | 17:25 |
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| czajkowski | anything else folks ? | 17:26 |
| pleia2 | a few updates | 17:26 |
| czajkowski | #topic updates | 17:26 |
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| czajkowski | pleia2: you have the floor | 17:26 |
| pleia2 | the forums council brought to our attention the needed upgrade to 4.x of the forums software, so czajkowski followed up on the ticket and things are moving forward | 17:26 |
| pleia2 | it's now tossed out to the community to help write the SSO plugin: http://www.jorgecastro.org/2012/07/31/ubuntu-forums-needs-single-sign-on-again/ | 17:27 |
| pleia2 | the upgrade is required for new spam prevention tools, forums staff are killing themselves manually managing spam right now :\ | 17:27 |
| pleia2 | so help is appreciated! | 17:27 |
| czajkowski | indeed, we have loads of developers surely someone can help | 17:28 |
| pleia2 | the CoC rewrite is still pending, when dholbach comes back from vacation he'll merge in some changes we discussed and we'll do another call to the community for final feedback once we've gone through it again | 17:28 |
| pleia2 | I think that's it :) | 17:28 |
| czajkowski | okie dokie | 17:29 |
| czajkowski | thank for coming folks | 17:29 |
| czajkowski | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Aug 2 17:29:47 2012 UTC. | 17:29 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-02-17.00.moin.txt | 17:29 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-02-17.00.html | 17:29 |
| czajkowski | nicely done :) | 17:29 |
| pleia2 | I'll update the wiki and meeting minutes in a bit | 17:30 |
| pleia2 | looks like the membership board is next on the agenda, so I'll drop them an email too | 17:30 |
| czajkowski | lovely jubbly | 17:31 |
| czajkowski | right dinner time | 17:31 |
| czajkowski | toodles | 17:31 |
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| s-fox | ping s9iper1 :) | 21:52 |
| s9iper1 | hey s-fox | 21:52 |
| s9iper1 | shall we start ? | 21:53 |
| s-fox | s9iper1, not yet, you're the only candidate here at the minute :) | 21:53 |
| s9iper1 | ok | 21:53 |
| s-fox | hello Fitoschido :) | 21:55 |
| micahg | it's also not 22:00 UTC yet :0 | 21:57 |
| s-fox | Ping Fitoschido | 22:01 |
| Fitoschido | HI | 22:03 |
| Fitoschido | ! | 22:03 |
| Fitoschido | I'm her | 22:03 |
| Fitoschido | e | 22:03 |
| iulian | OK, who's here from the board? | 22:03 |
| s-fox | o/ | 22:04 |
| beuno | o/ | 22:04 |
| micahg | o/ | 22:04 |
| iulian | #startmeeting | 22:04 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Aug 2 22:04:51 2012 UTC. The chair is iulian. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 22:04 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 22:04 |
| s-fox | i count 3 iulian ;) | 22:05 |
| iulian | We're 4, aren't we? | 22:05 |
| s-fox | oh never mind. it is late here. i am tired ;) | 22:05 |
| s-fox | /ignore me | 22:05 |
| iulian | OK, I forgive you this time. | 22:06 |
| s-fox | :) | 22:06 |
| * s-fox gives iulian a cookie :) | 22:06 | |
| iulian | Wait, it's late here as well. :) | 22:06 |
| iulian | OK, enough chatting. | 22:06 |
| iulian | Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards. | 22:06 |
| Fitoschido | hi all! | 22:06 |
| iulian | The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO). | 22:06 |
| s9iper1 | hello | 22:06 |
| iulian | Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions. | 22:07 |
| iulian | During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote | 22:07 |
| iulian | s9iper1: You're the first one on the list. Fire away! | 22:08 |
| s9iper1 | ok thank s | 22:08 |
| s9iper1 | Hello every body! | 22:08 |
| s9iper1 | This is bilal shahid Irc nickname S9iper1.i am an Information Technology student :).Here is my launchpad id link https://launchpad.net/~s9iper1 | 22:08 |
| s9iper1 | and here is my wiki page link | 22:08 |
| s9iper1 | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/BilalShahid | 22:09 |
| s9iper1 | and further i and my friends arranged a precise release party here here are some pictures of them | 22:09 |
| s9iper1 | http://s9iper1.blogspot.com/2012/05/blog-post_9007.html | 22:09 |
| s9iper1 | http://s9iper1.blogspot.com/2012/05/blog-post_14.html | 22:09 |
| beuno | I get a 503 | 22:11 |
| beuno | ah, there you go | 22:11 |
| beuno | nice | 22:12 |
| iulian | Questions? | 22:12 |
| iulian | micahg, s-fox, beuno? | 22:12 |
| s-fox | s9iper1, do you have any plans for next 6 months with ubuntu involvement ? | 22:13 |
| s9iper1 | yes of course i mostly spend my free time with bugs and ubuntu | 22:13 |
| iulian | s9iper1: Are you going to focus just on triaging bugs? | 22:14 |
| s9iper1 | no i am also working on php web development these days | 22:14 |
| iulian | I mean, within Ubuntu. | 22:15 |
| s9iper1 | ok for that i will focus on python | 22:15 |
| s9iper1 | and kenvandine is also helping me for that | 22:16 |
| s9iper1 | next my aim will be involve in bazar branches | 22:17 |
| iulian | OK, so that would be going towards MOTU perhaps? | 22:17 |
| s9iper1 | yeah | 22:17 |
| iulian | Great, thanks s9iper1. | 22:18 |
| s-fox | i don't have any more questions | 22:18 |
| iulian | No more questions from me. | 22:18 |
| s9iper1 | ok | 22:18 |
| iulian | #voters micahg s-fox beuno iulian | 22:18 |
| meetingology | Current voters: beuno iulian micahg s-fox | 22:18 |
| s-fox | +1 | 22:18 |
| iulian | #vote Grant s9iper1 Ubuntu membership | 22:18 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Grant s9iper1 Ubuntu membership | 22:18 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 22:18 |
| beuno | +1 | 22:18 |
| meetingology | +1 received from beuno | 22:18 |
| s-fox | +1 | 22:18 |
| meetingology | +1 received from s-fox | 22:18 |
| micahg | +1 bug triage is very important and we need more people helping with this | 22:19 |
| meetingology | +1 bug triage is very important and we need more people helping with this received from micahg | 22:19 |
| iulian | +1 Keep up the good work. | 22:19 |
| meetingology | +1 Keep up the good work. received from iulian | 22:19 |
| iulian | #endvote | 22:19 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Grant s9iper1 Ubuntu membership | 22:19 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 22:19 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 22:19 |
| iulian | s9iper1: Congratulations. | 22:19 |
| s-fox | Congrats :) | 22:19 |
| s9iper1 | thanks all of you | 22:19 |
| micahg | thanks for all your hard work s9iper1 and please keep it up :) | 22:19 |
| s-fox | thank you for your efforts | 22:19 |
| iulian | Fitoschido: Hello there. Could you please introduce yourself? | 22:19 |
| Fitoschido | Hi, I'm Adolfo Jayme Barrientos, a Ubuntu Spanish Translator since 2010 | 22:20 |
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| Fitoschido | I also contribute to other free software project such as Xfce and The Document Foundation but I spend the most of my free time in Ubuntu. It's a very welcoming project for me | 22:20 |
| iulian | Nice to hear that. | 22:20 |
| Fitoschido | I've also participated in Ubuntu Mexico meetings last year, and gave a quick course via IRC on translating Ubuntu to other new Ubuntu users wishing to contribute to the project | 22:21 |
| Fitoschido | Even when I'm primarily involved in l10n, I'm also a Bug Squad member. I have a few Bazaar branches, but I'm (still) not a coder. I'm still learning ;-) | 22:21 |
| Fitoschido | Launchpad: http://pad.lv/~fitoschido | 22:21 |
| Fitoschido | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fitoschido | 22:21 |
| micahg | Fitoschido: is there a reason you were only able to get one testimonial? | 22:22 |
| Fitoschido | I haven't asked other people to do that for me, I guess. | 22:23 |
| beuno | Fitoschido, so, tell us a bit more about what you do | 22:25 |
| beuno | your wiki page is a bit thin on details | 22:25 |
| Fitoschido | Well, as I already said, I'm a translator. Primarily to Spanish, and a bit of Catalan. | 22:26 |
| beuno | Fitoschido, so how often do you translate? any particualr focuses? | 22:26 |
| Fitoschido | I translate every week. I focus on GNOME, but I've also contributed to LibreOffice and Xfce | 22:27 |
| Fitoschido | I've recentrly translated many Ubuntu App Showdown apps as well | 22:27 |
| Fitoschido | This is my recent activity: https://translations.launchpad.net/~fitoschido/+activity | 22:28 |
| beuno | cool | 22:28 |
| iulian | Any more questions for Fitoschido? | 22:29 |
| beuno | Fitoschido, how long have you been translating? | 22:29 |
| s-fox | i have no more questions | 22:30 |
| Fitoschido | My first Launchpad contribution was in 2010-09-26 | 22:30 |
| Fitoschido | before that I translated some Windows software, but that does not count ;-P | 22:30 |
| Fitoschido | I'm an Ubuntu user since 9.04 | 22:31 |
| Fitoschido | and became addicted :) | 22:31 |
| iulian | Fitoschido: OK, thanks for the information. | 22:31 |
| iulian | #vote Grant Fitoschido Ubuntu membership | 22:31 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Grant Fitoschido Ubuntu membership | 22:31 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 22:31 |
| s-fox | +1 | 22:31 |
| meetingology | +1 received from s-fox | 22:31 |
| iulian | +1 | 22:31 |
| meetingology | +1 received from iulian | 22:31 |
| beuno | +1 | 22:31 |
| meetingology | +1 received from beuno | 22:31 |
| micahg | +1 | 22:32 |
| meetingology | +1 received from micahg | 22:32 |
| iulian | #endvote | 22:32 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Grant Fitoschido Ubuntu membership | 22:32 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 22:32 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 22:32 |
| iulian | Fitoschido: Welcome aboard! | 22:32 |
| s-fox | congratulations Fitoschido | 22:32 |
| Fitoschido | Thanks a lot dudes! :) | 22:32 |
| iulian | Is xander21c here? | 22:32 |
| s-fox | JoseAntonioR are you here? | 22:32 |
| JoseAntonioR | I'm here, on his behalf | 22:32 |
| s-fox | why? | 22:33 |
| JoseAntonioR | Let me explain | 22:33 |
| beuno | JoseAntonioR, so, that won't work | 22:33 |
| JoseAntonioR | beuno: one sec | 22:33 |
| JoseAntonioR | Well, xander21c membership expired a few days ago, and he would like to get it back up, the problem is he won't be able to attend any meetings until he's back home (on a trip right now) | 22:33 |
| JoseAntonioR | So, this is basically a request to get membership back-up | 22:33 |
| beuno | JoseAntonioR, yeah, that's not a problem | 22:34 |
| beuno | no need to come to a meeting | 22:34 |
| beuno | what's his launchpad id? | 22:34 |
| JoseAntonioR | xander21c | 22:34 |
| iulian | https://launchpad.net/~xander21c | 22:34 |
| beuno | JoseAntonioR, ok, I'll get that sorted out for you now | 22:34 |
| iulian | That's fine then. We'll reactive it now. | 22:34 |
| JoseAntonioR | thanks, guys! | 22:35 |
| iulian | reactivate even. | 22:35 |
| iulian | Thanks! | 22:35 |
| iulian | s-fox: You can go to bed now. :) | 22:36 |
| iulian | #endmeeting | 22:36 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Aug 2 22:36:12 2012 UTC. | 22:36 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-02-22.04.moin.txt | 22:36 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-02-22.04.html | 22:36 |
| s-fox | bye | 22:37 |
| Fitoschido | bye! and thanks! | 22:37 |
| s9iper1 | good bye and thanks all !! | 22:37 |
| JoseAntonioR | congrats, Fitoschido | 22:38 |
| Fitoschido | JoseAntonioR: thanks! I'm very excited | 22:39 |
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