[01:44] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19085980 [01:44] this story makes no sense and is so technical that it clearly went over the head of the journalist and everyone reading it [01:45] i have no idea what it even means or why they even bothered to write it [01:46] ok, so reading the original story explains it: the algorithm automatically makes articulated "action figures" from skeleton weighted mesh animations [01:47] but geez, the story is so convoluted... [06:54] morning all [06:55] that is an odd story ali1234, the whole copyright thing makes zero sense [06:55] as i said, if you read the original press release it makes perfect sense [06:55] but they've tried to simplify it for laymen, to the point where all sense is lost [06:56] and the copyright angle is i guess just thrown in to make it more than a crazy ball of nonsense [06:56] well, press release makes sense if you're familiar with skeletal animation systems and 3d printers anyway [06:57] once you understand that, the copyright thing makes sense. cos ripping the meshes and animation from games is easy [06:57] they do it all the time and make papercraft models [06:58] but those aren't posable like an action figure, which is what this new tech does [06:58] so now chinese can rip game graphics and make off-license action figures without paying for an expensive designer [06:58] the 3d printing aspect isn't so important there, they have proper factories :) [06:59] good morning [07:05] ali1234: yeah, I understand copyright and 3d printing, just don't see why the article said copyright would be a problem unless microsoft/sony use it, when it is a pixar funded project and those others have nothing to do with it [07:05] Morning all [07:05] yeah, they're just fishing for a reason to actually post it [07:06] i expect the copyeditors will show up for work soon and clean it up or remove it entirely [07:06] it's painfully obvious that the journalists post all the bad articles after they finish work [07:11] I'm in a oh why did I drink so much last night feeling this morning [07:11] :/ [07:11] good morning diplo :) [07:12] oh here's another great one: "what would ernest shackleton have tweeted?" [07:12] "it's rly rly cold lol" [07:15] when i finish building my reprap i shall print 3d models of all of you [07:15] * christel nods [07:32] Quiet in here again this morning, crumpets aren't helping much with soaking up the booze :( [07:35] diplo: you need to add bacon :) [07:40] I have bacon, but at home :( [07:40] aww [07:41] you should always carry bacon with you my dear! [07:41] And I was dubious whether I'd get to work on time as it was, let alone cooking bacon as well [07:41] * christel hugs diplo [07:41] If we had a grill or hob I would have some here, just a toaster and microwave :/ [08:03] you can make bacon in the microwave [08:06] Calling what we have herre a microwave may have been to kind :) [08:11] i INSIST that you cook some bacon in the microwave [08:12] i'm with ali1234 on this one [08:13] Good morning all! :) [08:13] GOOD MORNING HANDSOME <3 [08:13] * christel hugs JamesTait [08:13] * JamesTait hugs christel back [08:14] how are you this fine morning? :D [08:14] Tired. :( But only two more days to work and then two weeks off. [08:15] Not sure if that'll help with the tired or make it worse. ;) [08:15] How's christel? [08:15] oooh do you have amazing holiday plans? :D [08:15] she is well! i am doctoring a heavy head by applying vast quantities of bacon! [08:16] nursing. [08:16] "doctoring" means "faking" for some reason. one nurses one's head after too much gin. [08:16] Well, she may be doctoring it as well. :-P [08:17] haha [08:17] i have little faith in nurses! [08:17] * bigcalm slowly awakens [08:17] christel: No holiday plans, really. Very arm-wavy discussions about camping for a night, going to Gulliver's Kingdom and maybe making a trip to London to see what we can see of the Olympic atmosphere. [08:18] :D [08:18] gosh i havent been camping for years, used to love it! [08:18] I expect most of it will be spent catching up on things around the house. My office needs a good clean out and tidy up, and then I might even be able to get the ceiling done. [08:18] go camping! [08:18] hehe [08:19] morning bigclam :) [08:19] Ewwo christel :) [08:19] I'm taking my kids camping next weekend! [08:19] diplo: :D [08:19] Not sure if this is a good or bad thing yet [08:19] bigcalm: you never came back last night! *sulk* [08:20] The boys are all for camping. I am too, but I worry that they won't be when we actually do it. [08:20] whereabouts, diplo? North or South? [08:20] christel: I'm so sorry :'( [08:20] diplo: you'll have lots of fun i am sure -- where are you off to or is that undecided? [08:20] christel: I wanted to, but I ended up being a taxi man [08:20] christel: were you on there all night? [08:21] South wales : http://www.threecliffsbay.com [08:21] bigcalm: sad as it would be to admit to it.. yes :x [08:21] Well I'm about to phone them up when I sober up a little more, they had places last week [08:21] christel: better than drinking alone :D [08:21] Swansea specifically [08:22] Only thing I am worried about is doing it with just me with the kids, guess I'm finding it a little daunting. [08:23] diplo: oh that looks beautiful :) [08:23] My brother's on holiday in Cardiff this week. Apparently it's raining :( [08:23] That's my two other issues, is putting up the tent ( still not sure I can do it on my own ) and really don't want it to rain :( [08:24] hmmm... Wales = Rain. [08:25] TheOpenSourcerer: I once drove over the Severn Bridge into Wales - it started raining the second we finished crossing the bridge [08:25] Well I wanted to go to Weymouth area but not exactly the best week for it at the mo [08:25] dwatkins: haha [08:25] morning TheOpenSourcer \o/ [08:25] "Oh look, Wales has a burger place near the bridge.. aaaand it's raining already" [08:25] I begrudge having to pay to get INTO Wales. [08:26] It would be nice not to have to pay for repeated visits, or if you're descended from Welsh families like mw. [08:26] I begrudge paying so much when the bridge itself is now paid off [08:26] I know it needs upkeep, but it's getting kind of dear to cross now. [08:27] There's a bridge in Berkshire they charge you 20p to cross. It's a small one, mind. [08:27] We went over a small toll bridge a few weeks ago in Oxfordshire - 5p ;-) [08:28] haha which one, TheOpenSourcerer? [08:28] TheOpenSourcerer: I know that place! [08:28] i think i've only driven across a couple of times.. but then i usually only go to wales for rugby or cricket and then more so when i lived in bristol so it was easier to hop on a train and then drink vast quantities of beer whilst there :s [08:28] Somewhere between Oxford and Banbury [08:28] sadly i've not been to enjoy much of the welsh countryside [08:28] TheOpenSourcerer: There was a rumour that they were thinking of selling it. Been in the family for generations, apparently. [08:28] Wales is lovely, Scotland's beautiful. [08:29] (yes, I appreciate that I'm saying that having recently mentioned that my ancestors are Welsh...) [08:29] morning guys [08:29] Morning all [08:30] hiya [08:30] dwatkins: scotland i've seen more of :) [08:30] it reminds me of home :) [08:30] christel: I live in Edinburgh - even the drive to work has an awesome view :D [08:30] where's home, christel? [08:30] oh i bet! i <3 edinburgh [08:31] northern norway :) [08:31] ooh neat [08:31] I spent a week in Stavanger once, that had great scenery, I imagine it's just more awesome in the north. [08:32] yesterday, I still can run 2 instance of skype under ubuntu. but not today ? [08:32] * dwatkins finds a random place in nothern Norway and confirms this is the case: http://goo.gl/maps/TSz6h [08:32] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.78939&lon=-1.35358&zoom=17 is the place, I think. [08:32] i grew up in a tiny place in the very slim part of norway so we kind of get "everything" (coast, sweden, large glaciers, stunning mountains, the arctic circle, some pretty nifty caves etc etc and of course northern lights *and* midnight sun depending on the time of year!) [08:33] excellent, christel [08:33] christel: Sounds really boring. :-P [08:33] christel: As compared to our rain, rain, rain, grey skies, rain, OOH LOOK - SUN!, oh no more rain.... [08:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svartisen is like five minutes walk from our house [08:34] JamesTait: hahaha i do love a spot of rain ;) [08:34] glacier: n. a lake with a slope [08:34] We do have some lovely countryside though. [08:34] Heh [08:36] JamesTait: yah, there's a few gems here too :) [08:37] JamesTait: oh yes indeed: http://rowla.dyndns.org/gallery/v/Events/Edinburgh/ (panoramas I took near home) [08:39] beautiful :) [08:40] +1 :) [08:42] :) [08:43] cheers; we were quite lucky with the weather [08:43] :D [08:44] aloha [08:45] Good morning czajkowski :) [08:46] one more day or work then on my holidays :) [08:46] Hey czajkowski. :) [08:46] ello JamesTait [08:46] You're getting a head start on me then. :) [08:47] Conspiracy theorists start your engines. [08:48] Got anything exciting planned, czajkowski? [08:48] yup we're renting a car on Sunday and heading down south [08:48] stopping at portsmouth [08:48] then heading on down to Dorset [08:48] hiya pretty girl M3 [08:48] er <3 [08:48] and staying a week there in a cottage [08:48] christel: herrro :) [08:50] czajkowski: Sounds lovely. And definitely more organised than us. [08:51] JamesTait: see I'm an organiser my other half less organised, it took the olympics to make him organsised! [08:52] good morning everyone. [08:53] brobostigon: o/ [08:53] JamesTait: o/ [08:54] new dr who trailer, looks a bit silly in places [08:56] http://imgur.com/Vc9m2 for anyone not currently able to watch video of Doctor Who... :) [08:59] I wonder why Docky crashes after using the update manager [08:59] * bigcalm blames directhex just because it's mono :P [09:01] Docky is written in mono? [09:01] yes, but the rewrite, plank is in vala [09:01] iain@snafu:~$ ps ux | grep ocky [09:01] iain 6486 1.6 1.1 1080364 45556 ? Sl 09:58 0:02 mono /usr/lib/docky/Docky.exe [09:02] every time, or specific updates? [09:02] may be confused by some services restarting e.g. dbus [09:03] directhex: almost every time. Maybe I should start recording what's being updated and if Docky then crashes [09:04] * dwatkins sees a facebook comment field and turns Ghostery back on to block this sort of thing [09:10] i am officially crap at doing my invoicing [09:11] christel: have you considered getting freshbooks to do it for you? [09:11] christel: You like the work more than the money [09:11] christel: It's why I won't ever go self employed [09:12] OpenERP is good for this :-) [09:12] We produce lovely invoices :-D [09:13] Heh [09:13] Some for OpenERP too ;-) [09:13] hehe [09:13] yeah i do like it, but it still means I need to do it, not someone else for me [09:13] :) [09:13] i got distracted by violent(!) computer games :x [09:14] Angry Birds again? [09:14] Sweet and innocent christel wouldn't know about anything more violent than AB [09:15] my wife uses unity2d, takes ages to log off/shutdown when using it - anyone else? [09:15] * AlanBell is a bit of a pacifist [09:15] aah there she blows [09:15] Wee [09:15] bigcalm: nah, city of heroes :) [09:16] Fixy fixy :P [09:16] Never heard of it [09:16] * bigcalm googles [09:17] mungojerry: When i used it last week all seemed fine for me [09:17] I see [09:17] mungojerry: all reasonably well here, also unity2d [09:17] bigcalm: i suspect it might not be your kinda thing! tis really rather childish :P [09:17] hmm [09:17] christel: reinforcing my image of a grumpy old man? :P [09:17] did anyone else read the valve blog entry about fps on Linux? [09:17] yes [09:17] valve rock [09:18] seems like Linux / OpenGL leaves win7 in the dust ;-) [09:18] i'd like to fast forward 3 years and see what's happening as a result [09:18] jussi: are you here? [09:18] It's good to see gaming studios finally waking up to the fact that win8 will result in a major suckage [09:18] hoover, they didn't even spend long on it yet, or do anything to the drivers [09:18] yes [09:18] jussi: BEER! [09:18] http://steeldata.jusnews.co.uk/2012/07/29/paul-beech-pibow-sells-thousands-in-first-week/ [09:18] I hope this trend catches on [09:18] mungojerry: indeed [09:19] we must all go for a ride in jussi's porsche [09:19] just like the oracle blokes: "We just typed 'make'" ;-) [09:19] AlanBell: :D [09:19] jussi: are you in the ukay now? :) [09:19] christel: Oxford [09:19] pibow sounds a bit too much like tebow [09:20] but looks like the best case i've seen [09:20] jussi: \o/ [09:20] christel: http://www.freshbooks.com/ will do your invoicing for you [09:21] jussi: we absolutely should beer before you finland [09:21] its cool how many homebrew type jobs the rpi has created [09:21] mungojerry: you mean in terms of cases and so on for the RPi? [09:21] christel: we can attempt something friday perhaps, we are reasonably busy though. (are you even anywhere nearby?) [09:22] dwatkins, yeah, and how it's also got people involved in community [09:22] but the money earning jobs mainly [09:22] neat, mungojerry [09:22] amazon thinks 50 shades of grey is in my viewing history, now is showering me with smut [09:23] ah, no, i have recent history turned off, so it is showing me topsellers. [09:24] * TheOpenSourcerer is beginning to wish he hadn't retweeted a tweet about a lost camera. Seems to have gone rather viral. Getting retweet notices every second... [09:27] TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.ifoundyourcamera.net/ ? [09:28] TheOpenSourcerer: go and delete the tweet [09:29] Will that remove the retweets? Then what is someone retweets the retweet? [09:29] /is/if [09:29] I think it will [09:30] TheOpenSourcerer: yarp [09:30] Can I just turn off libnotify for a while? [09:30] hehehe, webapps? [09:30] TheOpenSourcerer: you can turn off notification on twitter.com -- then it won't mail you [09:30] or gwibber? [09:30] hotot [09:31] Not getting (many) emails. [09:31] actually you can turn off the notifications by going into "busy" mode [09:31] though i'm not sure how you do that short of opening a fullscreen video player === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:50] RAIN :( [09:50] I thought you said you liked rain? [09:50] i lied :( [09:50] :P [09:50] :O [09:51] hot and sunny up north [09:52] Grey and grey here [09:53] oh dear, camping now confirmed... no getting out of it now! [09:54] diplo: \o/ [09:54] Had to change location though, still looks good and down the road [09:54] http://www.nicholastonfarm.co.uk/ [09:55] looks good! i am sure the boys (and you) will have a fab tiem :D [09:55] time* [09:55] Practise putting the tent up this weekend I think is in order + make sure I have all the bits [09:56] :D [09:58] must remember not to visit the twitter web page, rather to use a client instead ...twitter trending topics are always bad news :( [10:06] I always laugh at the trending topics, they're so completely irellevant to me most of the time [10:06] I'm thinking of Google+ which lists things like Justin Bieber as a trending topic half the time, though. [10:07] I don't laugh at bad news, obv. [10:08] I think I should stop looking at twitter because it makes me lose faith in humanity reading the hastag #DontYouJustHateWhen [10:10] makes me sad to read gossip about macualey culkin from the national enquirer that everybody is retweeting as fact [10:15] Tip: don't read hash tags [10:16] Morning all [10:16] bigcalm: indeed, I usually don't [10:16] and don't subscribe to people, rather RSS bots [10:16] I have a plugin which disabled most youtube comments, also. [10:16] Morning davmor2 [10:16] mungojerry: yeah, some really useful stuff is available via RSS [10:16] bigcalm: jellybean on the xoom is nice [10:16] thats all twitter is to me [10:16] davmor2: OTA? [10:16] e.g. vmwarekb sends tweets of new kb articles [10:16] ah I see, mungojerry - for me, twitter is people, google reader is RSS feeds [10:17] bigcalm: No I got bored of waiting so ged'ed it, I get the us wifi updates as goggle roll them out now :) [10:17] Haha [10:18] bigcalm: the nice thing is, it is still an official roll out so it works fine [10:18] What did you do to get that? [10:25] bigcalm: http://www.simonjstuart.com/2011/07/23/gedify-your-non-us-wifi-xoom-for-n00bs/ [10:25] * bigcalm is a n00b! [10:26] everyone's a noob at something [10:26] bigcalm: there are a couple of steps that aren't overwhelming clear but basically they are covered in the pre work trouble shooting, it takes about 5-10 minutes [10:27] davmor2: ta [10:28] bigcalm: and you are likely to have to run the gedifying twice the first time it fails to over write the existing, and definitely use the rear usb port much faster than the front ones [10:29] what does "gedify" mean? [10:29] Does it require windows? [10:29] Google Experience Device -ify [10:29] bigcalm: yeap that was the one downside [10:29] oh. [10:29] * bigcalm continues to wait for a UK release [10:29] what does that mean? [10:30] "Since Motorola lied to every Xoom customer outside of the US (misleading us into thinking that the Xoom was a GED, when in fact it isn’t), I’ve decided to put up this n00b’s guide to making your WiFi Xoom a GED." [10:30] It means that a GED gets all of the latest things 1st [10:30] The Galaxy Nexus being another GED [10:30] i see [10:30] GED is good [10:31] ali1234: the xoom in the us is a GED which means Google trial it for all updates, Europe doesn't get the update for another 12months or so [10:31] bigcalm: i am bored! entertain me! [10:31] christel: have you seen the white elephant trick? [10:31] me does a jig for christel and falls over [10:31] bigcalm: no, show me! [10:31] davmor2: awww <3 [10:31] davmor2: ello [10:32] all the contractors working with us are stuck in the dark ages and use nokia non-smart phones. then they received smartphones to use google auth (rather than a cheaper solution of using key fobs), and they are amazed at the improved call quality [10:32] czajkowski: proddington prod how are you [10:32] i think it's cos their phones were ancient tech in the phone world [10:33] that's really funny [10:33] cos my nokia has significantly better audio quality than any other phone i've ever used [10:33] davmor2: not bad now yourself? [10:33] bigcalm: you're totally fired -- that was a rubbish trick [10:34] christel: I got the name wrong: white-eared elephant ;) [10:34] christel: pick a card any card [10:35] * hoover waddles off to get some ice cream [10:35] christel: put the business card down its the wrong kinda card :P [10:35] czajkowski: busy but good thanks [10:36] christel: and the credit card [10:37] aw [10:38] christel: no not the tesco club card either [10:38] but you said any card :( [10:39] christel: and stop looking in the deck for the queen of hearts or the ace of spades now I mentioned the queen :D [10:45] the people that work for me are idiots, that is all [10:45] You have employees? [10:46] yes, a couple -- though this referred to one of my freelancers [10:47] i am not entirely sure how he decided that "nourrices" would translate as "wet nurse" in a section about fuel containers [10:47] "Furthermore, the thermal motors of the fire pump groups must be tested at least once a forthnight and wet nurses must be refilled after every use." [10:47] ... what [10:48] Hahaha [10:48] (now i will admit that nourrices could indeed be wet nurse, but in this context i suspect he wanted "fuel containers" or even jerry cans!) [10:48] http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nourrice_%28homonymie%29 [10:48] ali1234: aye! but CONTEXT :P [10:50] yeah it basically means both those things [10:50] indeed :) [10:51] i am mostly baffled by the fact that he didn't question it and thought it was totally fine to say wet nurses in that sentence [10:51] yeah [10:51] well, i'm guessing it's a kind of slang/idiom [10:53] like "dumb waiter" probably wouldn't translate very well if you just took it literally [10:55] indeed! [10:55] Most waiters are dumb... [10:56] Most waiters are writers/actors? [10:56] bigcalm: put that tray down and do some work [10:57] bigcalm: you are wrong, most waiter/waitresses are unsuccessful writers/actors the successful ones don't need to wait tables :D [10:59] interestingly google translate only gives the nurse-type definition [11:12] folks may (may not ) enjoy my latest blog post http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/08/02/finally-a-statement-i-can-agree-with-i-am-not-a-geek-feminist/ [11:14] tl;dr? [11:14] czajkowski++ [11:14] wow, backlash? [11:14] czajkowski: Just finished reading it, got wind of it via Jan Wildeboor. [11:15] bigcalm: :P [11:15] Sorry, I'm working :S [11:16] bigcalm: oh you actually do work! [11:16] ¬.¬ [11:16] tl;dr pah! [11:16] czajkowski: I'll read it later :) [11:17] will read later too [11:17] from what i read, the woman at the oscon was complaining about hassle from men AND women [11:22] everybody judges people on how they dress, it's by design and part of culture/fashion [11:24] mungojerry: there is a bit of a clash at times, women in eu do dress a lot more relaxed than many of the women I've met in the states. cultural. [11:25] pfft i am in czajkowski's moderation queue! ;) [11:26] moderated [11:26] ;) [11:26] :P [11:27] the comment on the mailing list seemed quite OK, he was just suggesting that some of NP was lacking in technical clarity and her following could be based on her looks [11:29] i find the relentless political correctness of ubuntu to be quite tiring [11:30] which is why i mainly hang out here [11:31] i didn't have any issue with his comments tbh -- otoh the cynic in me also recognise that "sex sells" and she might very well have a larger following due to the fact that she isn't afraid to show off her chest, but i am not sure it really matters -- sure, she might not be providing the most in-depth of tech talk but if that's the level you're at you're probably already knowledgable enough to make your own choices as to what you ... [11:31] ... want to run/do -- and if a cute girl manages to bring a few entry-level users to the FOSS world (be that because of her chest or because she said ubuntu was awesome) then yanno, that is probably a good thing regardless? [11:31] i am political correctness personified! [11:31] lol [11:32] christel, maybe, but such people shouldn't get shocked/offended if their overtly sexual behaviour shocks/offends others (men and/or women) [11:32] the bit I struggle with is that people openly comment on "celebrities" in a completely mainstream context and this is considered normal, but not something you would say to a real person you know [11:33] the UK has a very different idea of what political correctness means to the US [11:33] ali1234, that's true too [11:33] AlanBell: that's just them/us mentality [11:33] mungojerry: i must admit i've not watched any of her videos, i've seen her website (after the ML posts, never heard of her before) though so i don't really know how she is overtly sexual in her behaviour [11:33] people posting offensive comments on celeb's twitter are just repeating the kind of stuff they shout at random strangers while out on the booze on a friday night [11:34] that said, i am probably one of those people who offend people -- there's frequently plenty of cleavage and i shall admit to flirting with lamp posts when noone else stands still for long enough :) [11:34] it's all about reinforcing who is a member of the group and who is an outsider [11:36] christel: lol. [11:36] czajkowski: well, tis true! :P [11:37] christel: I saw what you did there you left the 'in' of the word 'correctness' easy mistake [11:37] christel: You're not a flirt, are you? ;) [11:37] JamesTait: never ;) [11:37] i only offend people over the internet [11:38] IRL you'll be lucky to get two words out of me [11:38] aww [11:38] i am probably equally obnoxious irl :) [11:38] (as online) [11:39] I only offend people, but in the best possible taste [11:39] davmor2: You're not offensive, you're just a Brummie. :-P [11:40] * JamesTait offends an entire city in one fell swoop. [11:40] * christel claps [11:40] well played! [11:40] Had to be done, really. [11:40] it must be hungry o clock [11:41] And I know davmor2 will take it in the spirit it was intended. [11:41] if i was a nudist, would i need to "edit myself" for oscon in order not to cause offence? yes [11:42] JamesTait: how do you know I was born in Birmingham? [11:43] it's the smell [11:43] it never goes away [11:43] JamesTait: although I would go around tell people from wolverhapton that they are brummies generally not appreciated :D [11:44] s/would/ would not [11:44] davmor2: Hmm... born I'm not so sure about, but Google+ tells me you live in Wolverhampton, and to an ignorant Notts lad that's close enough. ;) [11:45] gosh i havent been to nottingham in Many Years [11:45] christel: Awwww and there was me finkin' twas de aqsunt [11:45] Me neither. [11:46] i once went to see the castle. it was very disappointing [11:46] heh [11:46] that bloke on the field with a tractor and grass cutters has the best job out there [11:46] davmor2: :P [11:46] hello popey \o/ [11:46] Agreed. I think the last time I was in Nottingham was shopping for wedding stuff just before Christmas, and it was horrible. [11:46] popey has landed! [11:47] Erm, that would be Christmas 2002. [11:48] haha [11:48] I like Nottingham, but I really only see it at night when I come up to headoffice [11:48] I stay in a hotel in the centre of town and then go out drinking/eating [11:48] Must take a day off one time when I visit to look around. [11:48]