[08:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:29] <mandel> morning all!
[11:12] <gatox> good morning!
[12:08] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:10] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[12:27] <alecu> hello, all!
[12:27] <gatox> alecu, hi
[12:27] <ralsina> helloa alecu!
[12:30] <alecu> gatox, ralsina: I need to run some errands in a few minutes... I don't think I'll be able to join the team meeting.
[12:30] <ralsina> so, team meeting moved to tomorrow
[12:30] <alecu> gatox, ralsina: is it ok if we move it to tomorrow?
[12:31] <alecu> ralsina: thanks!
[12:31] <gatox> alecu, fine by me
[12:41] <mandel> lunch time here in spain :)
[12:41]  * mandel lunch
[12:41] <mandel> oh, *.ar hello :)
[12:46] <dobey> hmm
[12:53] <ralsina> mandel, dobey, thisfred: just in case, team meeting moved to tomorrow because alecu is not available
[12:54] <thisfred> kk
[12:54] <thisfred> thx for the review btw
[12:54] <ralsina> thisfred: you're welcome
[13:33] <dobey> thisfred: what is 'cosas' exactly?
[13:39] <thisfred> stuff
[13:39] <thisfred> things
[13:39] <thisfred> manuel came up with the name, which I liked
[13:52] <mandel> ralsina, ack
[13:53] <ralsina> briancurtin: no meeting, same time tomorrow because of missing alecu
[13:54] <briancurtin> ralsina: alrighty
[13:56] <mandel> ralsina, have you check under the sofa?
[13:56] <ralsina> mandel: yes. No alecu, but I found half a pack of cookies!
[13:58] <ralsina> mandel: you will know, someday, what you can find under sofas when you live with a kid
[13:58] <mandel> ralsina, I've shared a house with 6 britons I know what to expect, we once found a sausage :)
[13:58] <dobey> i found an underground tomb for the knights of the round table, once
[14:00] <ralsina> dobey: I found jimmy hoffa
[14:00] <ralsina> dobey: says he was looking for your tomb
[14:01] <ralsina> dobey: meaning that tomb you found, not *your* tomb
[14:07]  * thisfred found a very dusty Higgs Boson
[14:11] <dobey> ugh
[14:11] <dobey> pbuilder-quantal update was so slow, that sudo had to ask me for the password again for the pbuilder-quantal foo.dsc command :(
[14:11] <dobey> what the heck
[14:12] <mandel> dobey, hohoho that is a new record..
[14:14] <dobey> seriously. i wonder why it's so slow
[14:16] <mandel> dobey, well.. don't complain I'm updating xcode and it has been stuck in 1 min left for over 10 min..
[14:17] <briancurtin> ha, reminds me of installing visual studio. it gets to 1 min left right away, then takes 20 minutes.
[14:18] <ralsina> but those are special minutes! Your last minutes together!
[14:19] <gatox> alecu, ping.... is there any way to run test_external_interface from u1-client with u1trial?? maybe i'm missing something.... but everything fails running that independently
[14:20] <gatox> mandel, maybe you know too ^
[14:20] <ralsina> gatox: alecu is not here
[14:20] <gatox> ahhhh right
[14:21] <mandel> gatox, mya I see the output?
[14:22] <gatox> mandel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1125273/ and goes on and on failing that way
[14:22] <mattgriffin> mandel: my mountain lion update displayed "-2" minutes for a little while
[14:22] <mandel> mattgriffin, updates & times nothing to be trusted :)
[14:27] <dobey> gatox: u1trial -t test_blah_blah path/to/test_blah.py? or is test_external_interface the .py?
[14:27] <gatox> dobey, test_external_interface is the .py file
[14:27] <dobey> ah
[14:28] <gatox> i'm executing the tests like this: PYTHONPATH=. u1trial --reactor=twisted tests/platform/ipc/test_external_interface.py
[14:28] <mandel> gatox, which platform?
[14:28] <gatox> mandel, ubuntu
[14:29] <dobey> gatox: you need to not use -r twisted then, and just use the gi reactor, i think
[14:29] <gatox> dobey, i'll try
[14:29] <mandel> gatox, exactly, you are using the wrong reactor, you need glib for the dbus tests, right dobey?
[14:29] <dobey> because ipc on linux is dbus and requires the main loop
[14:29] <gatox> mmmmm same problem
[14:30] <gatox> ok.... so... maybe i need to install something?..... but if i run the whole suit it works
[14:30] <gatox> i'm missing some configuration maybe...
[14:30] <dobey> then the test is broken
[14:30] <mandel> gatox, with u1trial you don't need to set the python path
[14:30] <mandel> gatox, so in trunk doing u1trial tests/platform/ipc/test_external_interface.py works
[14:30] <gatox> mandel, i was testing.... without the pythonpath i have the same problem
[14:30] <gatox> i'll check
[14:31] <mandel> gatox, I have just done the check in P everything works
[14:31] <gatox> mandel, thx!! i thought i needed to set the reactor
[14:31] <gatox> working now
[14:31] <dobey> gatox: well, doing -r gi, is the same as not passing -r at all
[14:32] <gatox> dobey, ahhhh ok! i didn't know that... thx
[14:32] <dobey> so "u1trial -r gi tests/platform/ipc/test_external_interface.py" should have worked as well
[14:32] <mandel> gatox, we updated u1trial to be smarter TM as it will usually choose the correct one on linux (always gi) and will choose the default one on windows and mac
[14:32] <dobey> and twisted is the default on darwin/win32
[14:32] <gatox> dobey, ahh right.... i missread your comment
[14:33] <mandel> dobey, he, we have some knowledge overlap, now ralsina can kill one of us!
[14:34] <dobey> mandel: we'll miss you :)
[14:34] <thisfred> small and qt: https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/u1db/cosas-delete/+merge/117908
[14:35] <dobey> so kunai!!!
[14:35] <ralsina> thisfred: looking
[14:35] <gatox> thisfred, do you need another review on that?
[14:35] <ralsina> briancurtin: when you have a minute, can you try to reproduce bug #1000983 ?
[14:36] <mandel> thisfred, would be awesome if you start naming branches as delete-cosas hehehe
[14:36] <thisfred> gatox, one is fine
[14:36] <gatox> thisfred, ack
[14:36] <briancurtin> ralsina: i'll check
[14:36] <dobey> mandel: cosas-no-mas!
[14:36] <mandel> :)
[14:36] <thisfred> mandel, I have loads of branches named: delete-stuff, fix-bug, make-it-work ;)
[14:37] <briancurtin> ralsina: ah crap, that's probably related to the hack we had to put in to get the synching screen to show up in the first place
[14:37] <ralsina> briancurtin: yes
[14:37] <thisfred> I find it's best to be vague, so you can change your mind mid branch ;)
[14:37] <briancurtin> confirming it now
[14:37] <ralsina> briancurtin: it doesn't seem to happen on ubuntu
[14:38] <mmcc> hi folks, so no meeting today? cool - I can avoid trying hangout on 3g…
[14:38] <mandel> thisfred, I like those names.. at least you nickname is not uber verbose as diegosarmentero :P
[14:38] <ralsina> mmcc: yes, not today, tomorrow same time
[14:38] <mmcc> ralsina: ack.
[14:39] <mandel> mmcc, I wrote a comment in the mp you set to need fixing, switching to compile to x86 and with 10.6 as a target should be done in diff branches to keep the concerns of the code limited
[14:39] <ralsina> launchpad is crazy slow to scan branches today, too
[14:39] <mandel> mmcc, I don't want to have to write crazy mps
[14:40] <thisfred> also: Happy IPA day, everyone. http://ipaday.org/
[14:40] <thisfred> that means I have the day off right?
[14:41] <mandel> thisfred, had it been tom and it would have been the most awesome day ever!
[14:41] <mmcc> thisfred: that's only a national holiday in Portlandia
[14:42] <briancurtin> lol
[14:42] <thisfred> mmcc, guess why I'm moving there ;)
[14:42] <mmcc> thisfred: I just assumed you were into double tall bikes
[14:43] <dobey> you like sleeping on public transportation too?
[14:43] <thisfred> there is that
[14:43] <briancurtin> im more interested in russian imperial stout day
[14:43] <thisfred> my friend brewed an excellent one of those with coffee
[14:44] <thisfred> but I like mine hopped to the gills
[14:44] <dobey> is that like vodka infused with dirt?
[14:44] <briancurtin> ralsina, joshuahoover: i can't reproduce bug #1000983
[14:45] <joshuahoover> briancurtin: i'll see if i can reproduce with the latest version and let you know
[14:59] <joshuahoover> briancurtin: based on my test just now with 3.0.2, bug #1000983 is fixed
[14:59] <joshuahoover> briancurtin: i'll mark it that way
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:00] <briancurtin> me
[15:01] <mandel> me
[15:01] <dobey> meh
[15:02] <joshuahoover> dobey: are you guys doing a call now?
[15:02] <ralsina> joshuahoover: no, alecu can't make it so we are doing it tomorrow
[15:02] <ralsina> joshuahoover: sorry forgot to tell you
[15:02] <ralsina> me
[15:02] <joshuahoover> ralsina: ah, ok...same time tomorrow?
[15:02] <joshuahoover> not me
[15:02] <ralsina> joshuahoover: yes, same time
[15:02] <joshuahoover> thanks
[15:03] <gatox> go for me?
[15:04] <gatox> DONE:
[15:04] <gatox> Some reviews for mandel, rewriting ipc menu implementation with tdd.
[15:04] <gatox> TODO:
[15:04] <gatox> Finish with u1-client branch and propose. Start working on u1-cp menu branch (tdd way)
[15:04] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:04] <gatox> No
[15:04] <gatox> briancurtin, go
[15:04] <briancurtin> DONE: more debugging on SyncTimestampChecker test failure for unicode3
[15:04] <briancurtin> TODO: now that i've isolated and found that the test works in the interpreter, put it back together and find the actual failure
[15:04] <briancurtin> NEXT: mandel
[15:04] <mandel> DONE: Lots of branched landed in the fsevents daemon \o/. Fixed some code in MPs as per reviews. Work on refactoring the main of the daemon so that it will read from a named pipe when we use it to run the tests. Canonical admin stuff.
[15:04] <mandel> TODO: more work on the tet daemon (should be the last push).
[15:04] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:04] <mandel> dobey, please
[15:05] <dobey> DONE: client release/upload, merged couple of update branches to stables,
[15:05] <dobey> TODO: new cp upload with scroll fix, fix review issues in refactor branch, reorg to drop ubuntuone-installer for good, SRUs for lucid/natty/oneiric; figure out OOM issue
[15:05] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:05] <dobey> ralsina: go
[15:05] <ralsina> DONE: "fixed" quantal scrollbars, some bug triaging, some reviews, helped thisfred with a qt thing, negotiated contracts, some 1-1s, dash call TODO: objectives, finish contract, more bug triaging,   more reviews, fix something
[15:05] <thisfred> me
[15:06] <ralsina> NETXT thisfred
[15:06] <thisfred> DONE: cosas design 1, added keyboard support TODO: background sync in cosas | documentation BLOCKED: no
[15:12] <mmcc> oh hey, me too:
[15:12] <mmcc> DONE: re-reviews, 10.6 ARC whole-project review, py2app packaging fsevents daemon
[15:12] <mmcc> TODO: more daemon packaging, first-run code, VM research
[15:12] <mmcc> BLCK: none
[15:13] <thisfred> el hombre come una manzana
[15:13] <thisfred> I am definitely gonna learn spanish with duolingo
[15:21] <ralsina> thisfred: I am pretty sure you can avoid handling Enter by just setting edit triggers on the widget
[15:22] <thisfred> ralsina, cool
[15:22]  * thisfred googles edit triggers
[15:22] <ralsina> thisfred: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qabstractitemview.html#editTriggers-prop
[15:22] <thisfred> thx
[15:26] <thisfred> ralsina, hmm, editKeyPressed was already set, but I guess enter is not the editkey?
[15:28] <ralsina> thisfred: probably F2
[15:28] <thisfred> ralsina, really?
[15:28] <thisfred> wow
[15:29] <ralsina> thisfred: that has a long tradition dating back all the way to visicalc
[15:29]  * thisfred is not a traditionalist
[15:29] <ralsina> thisfred: http://www.qtforum.org/article/34713/cross-platform-edit-f2-key.html
[15:29] <ralsina> or rather http://lists.qt.nokia.com/pipermail/qt-interest/2010-January/017408.html
[15:30] <ralsina> thisfred: why not AnyKeyPressed?
[15:31] <thisfred> ralsina, won't that break the arrow keys?
[15:31]  * thisfred tries
[15:31] <ralsina> thisfred: probably :-)
[15:31] <ralsina> why isn't there a EnterKeyPressed trigger? Shame on you TrollTech^wNokia^wCommunity^wNoone!
[15:32] <ralsina> thisfred: so, doubeClicked is probably a good idea, and you have to keep enter in the keypressEvent :-(
[15:33] <thisfred> ralsina, yeah, doubleclicked already worked
[15:33] <ralsina> in that case +1
[15:33] <thisfred> thx
[15:33] <ralsina> and sorry for the wild goose chase
[15:34] <thisfred> no problem, I was kind of hoping there was a simpler solution
[15:35] <ralsina> thisfred: when you press enter, the  QAbstractItemView::activated signal is triggered
[15:35] <ralsina> So if you put the item editing in a separate method, you can connect it
[15:36] <thisfred> ralsina, let me try that
[15:36] <ralsina> thisfred: it's also triggered by double clicks, so you may have double-activation
[15:41] <thisfred> it works, but if I double click, and edit, enter closes the editor. When I hit enter to activate, the subsequent enter does nothing...
[15:42] <thisfred> ralsina, maybe the event is not propagated
[15:42] <ralsina> could be
[15:42] <ralsina> so let's just do what worked ;-)
[15:44] <thisfred> yeah
[15:47] <mmcc> hrm, looks like py2app is confused by "from .typed import TypedConfigParser" in configglue
[15:49] <ralsina> mmcc: doesn't bunle the module?
[15:50] <ralsina> mmcc: I had that kind of thing with py2exe and had to manually bundle a few things
[15:51] <mandel> ok, EOD for me a few mins early I need to do some errands before they close the bank
[15:51] <mandel> see you all tom!
[15:51] <dobey> hrmm
[15:51] <mmcc> ralsina: yeah, it bundles configglue but misses configglue.typed. I think I can work around it if I just tell it to include the whole configglue package instead of trying to be minimal
[15:51] <mmcc> bye mandel
[15:51] <ralsina> mmcc: yes, configglue is small anyway
[15:51] <ralsina> bye mandel, good luck at the bank!
[15:52] <dobey> mmcc: what version of configglue is it pulling?
[15:52] <mmcc> dobey, our buildout has configglue-1.0-py2.7.egg/
[15:52] <dobey> ah ok
[15:53] <dobey> just making sure it wasn't grabbing 0.2 or something
[16:24]  * briancurtin lunch+quick errand
[16:34] <dobey> ok, off to lunch, and an appointment. be back in a while.
[16:46] <thisfred> el caballo no es mío
[16:46] <thisfred> that'll come in handy
[16:53] <ralsina> thisfred: well, caballo is an alias for heroin, so you never know
[16:54] <thisfred> ah, same in english. Definitely useful around these parts then
[16:55] <ralsina> if there's one thing you need to know about drugs it's how to say "that drug is not mine, officer"
[17:00] <alecu> hello back!
[17:05] <mmcc> seems like there should be a convenient command to split changes in a branch into separate pipes
[17:05] <mmcc> so I could pick chunks like in shelve, but send them to pipes instead of shelving them. am I missing something nice to do this?
[17:05] <ralsina> mmcc: if there is one, noone has ever mentioned
[17:06] <ralsina> mmcc: some combination of cherrypicking and pumping?
[17:06]  * mmcc is unfamiliar with cherrypicking in the bzr context
[17:07] <ralsina> mmcc: so you setup the "full" branch, setup the pipeline, go to stage 1, merge selected changesets from the full branch, pump, move to stage 2, repeat
[17:07] <ralsina> mmcc: http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/CherryPick
[17:07] <mmcc> ralsina: aha. ok
[17:08] <ralsina> mmcc: of course "convenient" may be overstating my case
[17:09] <mmcc> right… too much for my currently simple case, but good to know if things get big later
[17:09] <mmcc> right now I just have one file with three simple changes that should be three separate simple pipes
[17:09] <ralsina> mmcc: OTOH manuel is the expert on this, so feel free to ask again tomorrow :-)
[17:27] <ralsina> anyone needs a review?
[17:30] <gatox_> ralsina, nop yet
[17:31] <mmcc> ralsina: I have a stream of tiny reviews coming in just a minute
[17:31] <ralsina> come on team, I am trying to not go do canonicaladmin! ;-)
[17:31] <ralsina> mmcc: thanks
[17:32] <briancurtin> i'm back from lunch + "errands" but because UPS is (insert lots of profanity), i need to go to another location to ship this pacakge and i need to make sure it gets out today. i'll shift some time around, either staying later today or coming in early tomorrow
[17:33] <briancurtin> and since its my review day, feel free to assign me or send me reviews
[17:33] <briancurtin> back in hopefully a short amount of time. ugh.
[17:38] <mmcc> ralsina: a quick one: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-1032301/+merge/117957
[17:38] <ralsina> mmcc: looking!
[17:39] <ralsina> mmcc: someday I must mention why thematic naming schemes (like brew calling the folder wher eit puts stuff "Cellar") are both fun and annoying as all hell
[17:40] <mmcc> ralsina: word. see also 'brew tap' and 'bottles'
[17:40] <ralsina> mmcc: also, "2.5.0" > "2.5.0b1" is False
[17:40] <ralsina> mmcc: not sure if that will matter
[17:42] <mmcc> ralsina: yeah, probably not - the sorting wasn't really necessary, just so it does something expected
[17:42] <ralsina> mmcc: ok, +1 then
[17:54] <mmcc> ralsina: thanks. next: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-1032290/+merge/117959
[17:54] <mmcc> also trivial
[17:54] <ralsina> mmcc: on it
[17:55] <mmcc> btw, let me know if these are below the threshold for separate merges - they're definitely different changes and different bugs, but so small
[17:56] <ralsina> it's ok, small branches are cool
[17:56] <ralsina> specially if thy fix separate bugs
[17:57] <ralsina> mmcc: this second branch doesn't have the 1st one as prereq
[17:57] <ralsina> mmcc: so it seems to include those changes
[17:59] <mmcc> ralsina: huh - I thought bzr-pipeline did that automatically.
[18:00] <ralsina> mmcc: looks like no. You have to do it on the MP
[18:00] <mmcc> oh, ok.
[18:02] <mmcc> ralsina: new mp #2: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-1032290/+merge/117960
[18:03] <ralsina> mmcc: +1 and you don't need a second one for either branch
[18:04] <mmcc> ralsina, thx. two more coming…
[18:13] <gatox_> brb..... need to buy some snacks!
[18:22] <ralsina> looks like I forgot to have lunch!
[18:22] <ralsina> oh well
[18:25] <gatox_> ralsina, it happens
[18:28] <dobey> hmm
[18:28] <dobey> mmcc: but does brew have growlers?
[18:30] <ralsina> dobey: maybe openoffice can be a growler instead of a bottle
[18:31] <mmcc> dobey: no, such a shame. and I thought the individual scripts were recipes, but I guess they're 'formula'
[18:31] <mmcc> e
[18:31] <mmcc> oh right, py2app has recipes
[18:32] <ralsina> perhaps you can open the apps using a churchkey
[18:32]  * mmcc does not get that reference
[18:32] <mmcc> yet another small MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-1032292/+merge/117965
[18:33] <ralsina> oh, those are CAN openers
[18:33] <ralsina> goes to show I am not a native english speaker
[18:37] <dobey> also called church keys
[18:39] <ralsina> mmcc: +1
[18:40] <ralsina> looks like I am just old fashioned: "Church key initially referred to a simple hand-operated device for prying the cap (called a "crown cork") off a glass bottle; this kind of closure was invented in 1892"
[18:40] <mmcc> ralsina: http://www.talkingbottleopener.net/simpsons/simpsons.jpg
[18:41] <ralsina> mmcc: now you have sent me in an infructuous search of chinese crap shops looking or that. Hope you are happy!
[18:41] <ralsina> ;-)
[18:42] <mmcc> very
[18:45]  * briancurtin back
[18:45] <briancurtin> last time i ever use UPS in my life
[18:48] <dobey> eh?
[18:48] <dobey> alecu: around?
[18:48] <alecu> hola dobey
[18:49] <dobey> alecu: hey. did you see my reply on https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-dev-tools/runner-refactor/+merge/117122 ?
[18:50] <alecu> dobey: looking
[18:54] <mmcc> yet still another tiny mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-1032294/+merge/117968
[18:55] <mmcc> (that's the last one for now)
[18:56] <ralsina> mmcc: got it
[18:56] <ralsina> mmcc: +1 trivial
[18:56] <ralsina> mmcc: so feel free to merge all of them
[18:56] <mmcc> ralsina: ok will do. thanks
[18:57] <briancurtin> mmcc: also approved. do you have any others that need review?
[18:57] <alecu> dobey: the fix looks good. And though I agree that we can have some code coverage by u1trial running its own tests, I don't agree that it's the same as unit test coverage.
[18:57] <mmcc> briancurtin: I don't, no
[19:02]  * mmcc lunches
[19:02] <ralsina> mmcc: you should not globally approve all branches at once, or tarmac gets indigestion ;-)
[19:03] <ralsina> mmcc: one every 5-10minutes is usually a good diet
[19:03] <mmcc> ok, noted. hrmph.
[19:09] <dobey> alecu: ok, i'll file the bug as soon as lp lets me (it keeps resetting the connection)
[19:09] <dobey> oh, looks like it finally went through this time
[19:10] <alecu> yup, I think there was an announcement today about some lp maintainance...
[19:10] <dobey> yep
[19:11] <dobey> between 1100 and 1200 UTC though
[19:11] <dobey> so should have just started i guess, though i had the same issue earlier
[19:38] <dobey> brb
[20:01] <gatox> oh... eod!! see you tomorrow people!! bye!
[20:31] <ralsina> alecu: is there a chance you can take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1031197 tomorrow?
[20:33] <alecu> ralsina: it certainly clashes with my plan to start the u1 port to the shiny Raspberry Pi on my desk... but I can try to squeeze it in :-)
[20:33] <ralsina> alecu: please :-)
[20:33] <ralsina> alecu: it's a pain for jono and me
[20:33] <ralsina> alecu: and ayone who wants to use u1 on a server
[20:35] <alecu> ralsina: yes, I know it's a pain for app developers.... but why does this affects servers?
[20:35] <ralsina> alecu: what jono and I are doing is using sd on a server, and do something when a new file appears
[20:35] <ralsina> alecu: and this bug means we are told in the wrong moment :-)
[21:06] <mmcc> Looks like VMWare is the way to go for osx guests… virtualbox apparently still awaits real support: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/9388
[21:07] <mmcc> while VMWare has actual instructions: http://partnerweb.vmware.com/GOSIG/MacOSX_10_7.html (And people say it works great)
[21:08] <mmcc> I'm getting a 30-day free trial of VMWare now, but might have to wait a bit to download the osx installers, since they're big and I'm on 3g for another couple of hours
[21:09] <briancurtin> mmcc: that trial is useless FYI, if you're getting the same one that i did
[21:09] <briancurtin> i'll check the product name since i mix them up
[21:09] <briancurtin> mmcc: VMWare Workstation?
[21:10] <mmcc> briancurtin: no, VMWare Fusion
[21:10] <mmcc> I think it's mac-only
[21:10] <mmcc> what was useless about it?
[21:10] <briancurtin> mmcc: maybe that'll work then. i downloaded Workstation trial and it just lets you install it, that's it. if you want to even think about starting up a VM, you have to have the license key
[21:11] <briancurtin> i guess you could just open the program and not do anything with it for 30 days and be alright
[21:12] <ralsina> there is a VMWare player
[21:12] <ralsina> or at least used to be one
[21:12] <mmcc> well, it showed me a trial license key on the download page - maybe if you try downloading another copy it'll show you one too
[21:12] <briancurtin> that doesn't let you take snapshots or any of that fancy jazz
[21:12] <ralsina> you could not create VMs but you could use them
[21:12] <ralsina> ok
[21:13] <mmcc> actually briancurtin check out your evaluations dashboard: https://my.vmware.com/group/vmware/myeval
[21:13] <mmcc> it has the license keys for the eval products you've downloaded
[21:14] <briancurtin> yeah i did that (back then) but the trial was super selective about what you could do. i think it would have let me play already created VMs, which didn't help much. i ended up paying for it anyway
[21:34] <ralsina> EOD for me
[21:34] <ralsina> bye ppl!
[21:35] <briancurtin> bye ralsina
[21:40] <alecu> ok, father duties. May be back later. cheers!
[21:42] <dobey> later all, have a good night
[21:43] <mmcc> bye everyone
[21:43]  * mmcc is staying, just a mass bye
[22:10] <briancurtin> i have to jump off of here for a bit, GF needs the webcam for a meeting