[02:29] <bcgrown> why can't i have multiple apps use the sound card at once?  and how do i fix it?  i'm on xubuntu 12.04 64-bit
[02:29] <bcgrown> audio is an onboard Intel HDA / Realtek ALC887
[02:37] <Desirre> good evening! can someone help me? there's someone from Brazil here?
[02:42] <Desirre> actually, I think my problem is pretty simple... I've installed Xubuntu and everything was doing right, but when I upgraded it, my audio stopped working... now I can't listen my musics nor any sound... what I supposed to do?
[02:45] <Desirre> my husband suggested reinstall Xubuntu, but I prefer try another approach... 'cause I don't wanna miss my archives and I don't have any ways to do a backup yet... it's an NETbook and I don't have an external HD
[02:48] <Unit193> May want to have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting and even https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio
[04:26] <Riley24> hey guys i could use some help with pavucontrols
[04:27] <Riley24> im having issues getting it to switch output controls
[04:34] <rdx> i need hacker
[04:34] <rdx> anyone here
[04:35] <rdx> please buzz
[07:05] <livingdaylight> greetings
[07:25] <koegs> does anybody know how to tell xscreensaver to turn off the backlight? "xset dpms force off" works
[07:27] <Sysi> it doesn't do it if you leave it for a while?
[07:29] <koegs> nope, backlight stays on permanently
[07:29] <koegs> i mean, screen is turned black after 10 minutes, screen is locked, but backlight stays on
[07:31] <Sysi> you can set display sleep to 10 minutes in power managment settings
[07:44] <koegs> ok, if i disable xscreensaver and configure power management settings, the backlight is turned off
[07:44] <koegs> but it seems like the screen is not locked
[07:46] <koegs> and xflock4 still does not disable the backlight
[07:48] <Sysi> screen should be turned off even xscreensaver enabled, with xflock at least it's turned off in ten minutes
[07:49] <Sysi> I wonder if script with "sleep 2" first for launching xflock and then xset dpms force off would work
[08:22] <martinphone> i have 50 jpg files that would be much easier to read in a single pdf file, is there any way to do so?
[08:24] <Unit193> !info sam2p
[08:31] <martinphone> Unit193, is that command line alone?
[08:32] <Unit193> Yes.
[08:36] <martinphone> Unit193, im now reading the readme and dont see any section for "convert every image inside a directory" option...
[08:41] <TheSheep> hi folks
[08:42] <TheSheep> I have a quaint problem with thunar -- I just noticed that it doesn't show the trash in the sidebar
[08:43] <Sysi> does thrash work at all?
[08:44] <TheSheep> Sysi: how do I tell?
[08:44] <TheSheep> there is ~/.local/Trash directory filled with the files I have deleted...
[08:45] <Sysi> if you press del after selecting files it goes there?
[08:46] <TheSheep> yes
[08:47] <TheSheep> my first sspicion is that the xubuntu devs have disabled it because they prefer the panel plugin for the trash
[08:47] <TheSheep> if that is the case, I would like to know how to enable it
[08:47] <TheSheep> because I do not prefer the panel plugin
[08:47] <Unit193> Still there in Quantal by default.
[08:48] <TheSheep> I'm on Precise
[08:48] <TheSheep> I'm not sure when it disappeared
[08:48] <Unit193> (By that I was saying it wasn't removed, I am also on precise and have it)  Could try backing up the config for thunar and removing the config dir.
[08:49] <Sysi> could be related to gtk bookmarks too
[08:49] <TheSheep> Unit193: the config of thunar is a text file and has nothing about trash in it
[08:49] <TheSheep> Sysi: bookmarks work
[08:58] <TheSheep> OK, solved, I didn't have gvfs installed
[08:59] <Sysi> oh, I thought thunar wouldn't have trash functionality at all without it
[09:26] <knome> madnick, o hai!
[09:50] <madnick> knome: hi
[09:50] <knome> madnick, hmm, you not at -devel :)
[09:50] <madnick> knome: oh, sorry
[10:34] <livingdaylight> hi
[11:34] <pimperle> hi
[11:34] <pimperle> on one of my boxes "sudo -i" gives me a shell to run root gui apps from, on the other the X display access is being denied for the root user
[11:35] <pimperle> xhost output is the same on both machines
[11:35] <pimperle> what could cause this?
[11:35] <pimperle> /etc/sudoers are the same as well
[11:37] <pimperle> what else could cause the DISPLAY variable to be unset and display access to be forbidden?
[11:38] <pimperle> i installed all latest updates
[11:43] <livingdaylight> hia
[11:44] <livingdaylight> I'm interested in the recent release of Voyager; most of you heard of it?
[12:00] <astraljava> Yes I've listened to it, but what does this have to do with Xubuntu support?
[12:06] <livingdaylight> astraljava, hi, nice to see someone is here :)
[12:07] <livingdaylight> astraljava, and I'm not talking of the music band Voyager, the distro based on xubuntu
[12:08] <livingdaylight> there are ppa's for it, and just was curious what the difference was between installing voyager or bringing the ppa's into xubuntu
[12:11] <livingdaylight> astraljava, ?
[12:12] <livingdaylight> why is this room so quiet? bordering unfriendlyness
[12:12] <knome> everyone is a volunteer
[12:12] <astraljava> I'm at work, so cannot pay attention all the time.
[12:12] <astraljava> Can't speak for others, but I believe none of us are paid to watch this.
[12:13] <Sysi> you should ask voyager guys, I guess there isn't much difference
[12:13] <livingdaylight> since he worked with xubuntu and other aspects of ubuntu I thought someone here might know about it.
[12:15] <knome> i haven't heard of "him" working with xubuntu really.
[12:15] <Sysi> as far as I understand from google translated homepage, it's just xubuntu with additional stuff
[12:16] <livingdaylight> Sysi, yes, basically
[12:18] <livingdaylight> there doesn't seem to be an irc channel, so, thought to hop in to find out more.
[12:19] <livingdaylight> It looks beautiful but not sure whether he's brought compiz and what not into xubuntu. I wondered if the purpose of xubuntu is to be a 'lighter' alternative to kde/gnome whether it defeats the purpose
[12:21] <livingdaylight> btw, astraljava I know and appreciate that no one is being paid/ all are volunteers, but that is true of all channels, or most at least. It just feels really dead here and I got happy when you responded, but then you disappeared again, which speaks of more than volunteerism
[12:22] <knome> not really, you are getting it wrong.
[12:22] <knome> in addition to having volunteers only, we actually have less manpower too.
[12:25] <livingdaylight> you have a lot more than a lot of other channels, lol.. don't get me wrong, I appreciate the ethos, and I ask and patient; if someone answers great, but of course I'm human and its frustrating when someone begins a convo and switches off immediately or peoople only pipe in to say that they are volunteers and therefore don't have to say even 'hi' - sorry - dont konw...
[12:25] <knome> note that not all of the users are actually "helping" here, some of them are just sitting/idling
[12:26] <astraljava> livingdaylight: As I said, I'm at work, and have a chance to just occasionally glance at the channels. I'm sorry if you felt neglected. I can't do better.
[12:26] <livingdaylight> astraljava, its fine, I thought your remark was inviting me in conversation
[12:28] <livingdaylight> so, no comment on xubuntu + compiz /awn etc being equal to kde/gnome in bloatware?
[12:30] <aquix> I run xubuntu 12.04 with compiz and cairo-dock and have a stable, cool and smooth laptop.
[12:31] <aquix> I think many docks and compiz suffer from the pulseaudio effect. I was a buggy when released but got less resource hungry with time, but distaste stuck.
[12:32] <knome> compiz isn't really light, so if a light os is your primary goal, don't use that.
[12:33] <livingdaylight> this is the ppa: https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa
[12:34] <knome> for xfce 4.10, yes.
[12:34] <knome> but that's not officially supported
[12:35] <Sysi> 4.10 packages aren't there anymore
[12:35] <Sysi> devel packages were there
[12:35] <knome> mmh, that too.
[12:35] <livingdaylight> aquix, I am looking to run on laptop which is fairly new, Acer Aspire timelineX 4830t but everything I try runs very HOT whereas windows used to run very cool on it :s
[12:35] <knome> installing compiz won't help
[12:36] <knome> upgrading bios worked for me with an older laptop
[12:36] <GridCube> livingdaylight, what do you mean by hot?
[12:36] <livingdaylight> can't find the link now but he spoke somewhere of his association with xubuntu https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit
[12:37] <livingdaylight> GridCube, the chassis and mousepad aread get uncomfortably hot
[12:37] <GridCube> oh
[12:37] <knome> livingdaylight, yes, mr_pouit is a xubuntu developer, but he is NOT the voyager developer.
[12:38] <livingdaylight> currently running Bodhilinux which is better but the distro is a little bit quirky
[12:38] <livingdaylight> knome, no? my bad then. I thought he was
[12:38] <knome> livingdaylight, nope. he's not.
[12:40] <livingdaylight> since unity haven't been able to find a new home.
[12:41] <livingdaylight> maybe just need to ubuntu + cinnamon ppa hrmph
[12:43] <livingdaylight> http://voyager.legtux.org/index.php/a-propos-2/ the xubuntu 12.10 promo is sweet
[12:46] <GridCube> livingdaylight, have you seen this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireTimeline ?
[12:48] <livingdaylight> GridCube, actually this week only I joined that launchpad group. But don't know how to benefit from it.
[12:48] <livingdaylight> GridCube, thanks for looking that up
[12:49] <GridCube> they say they have a mailing list at the bottom of that page
[12:49] <GridCube> you could ask  them there, it might be helpful
[12:49] <livingdaylight> GridCube, actually, I hadn't seen that particular link, so, that is helpful. I found the launchpad group via another link
[12:50] <livingdaylight> yes, thank you. Because, I'm finding it is an issue with most distros and shouldn't have to run puppylinux or something on a i3 processor
[12:50] <livingdaylight> :)
[12:52] <GridCube> it might be some kernel issue, i have really superficial knowledge on those topics, but you might have to try getting a kernel that supports you notebook fans architecture? dunno
[12:53] <livingdaylight> GridCube, http://clip2net.com/s/2aGtL
[12:54] <livingdaylight> yes, and ubuntu is my best chance I believe of finding a match, i believe.
[12:55] <GridCube> ask in the ml :) they might know better, if they answer :P
[12:56] <livingdaylight> ml ?
[12:57] <aquix> there are many things that can cause a hot laptop, like badly configured laptop control. but pinpointing the spesific problem can take some googling, and most likely you'll get ubuntuforums threads. have you installed lm-sensors   ?
[12:58] <aquix> *fan control
[12:58] <livingdaylight> aquix, i have now :)
[12:59] <livingdaylight> I did look in synaptic and found a number of things which promised to check cpu tmp and fan controls
[12:59] <livingdaylight> powertop also doens't come by default
[13:00] <GridCube> gkrellm is the popular one :P
[13:00] <aquix> ran sensors-detect ?                also check in top to see what if anything eats the cpu
[13:00] <livingdaylight> last time I did all that i wasn't running much at all.
[13:04] <livingdaylight> aquix, could you tell me whether I should go ahead? http://pastebin.com/rYEPj7PF
[13:05] <aquix> yup
[13:05] <aquix> have you installed your graphics card drivers?
[13:05] <livingdaylight> no
[13:06] <livingdaylight> don't have graphic cards on this laptop
[13:06] <livingdaylight> some onboard graphics
[13:06] <aquix> whats it called?
[13:08] <aquix> I might recommend a terminal program called  inxi     it shows hardware specs, drivers and other system info. great when troubleshooting
[13:09] <GridCube> lspci | grep "VGA"
[13:09] <GridCube> :P
[13:10] <livingdaylight> http://pastebin.com/qZui6dz5 is that it? 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[13:10] <GridCube> intel should work well with the generic drivers
[13:10] <GridCube> mines do
[13:11] <GridCube> anyway you could try gksu jockey-gtk and see if it offers you some drivers
[13:11]  * GridCube is sad because jockey-gtk is being abandoned :(
[13:11] <aquix> yeah, mesa drivers usually do
[13:13] <livingdaylight> GridCube, gksu jockey-gtk just brought me back to prompt
[13:13] <aquix> I got a laptop with optimus graphics card (bought in a hurry).   Thank god for bumblebee :)
[13:13] <GridCube> D:
[13:13] <livingdaylight> i had a look at bumblebee but not appropriate for my graphics I was told
[13:14] <livingdaylight> should I go ahead and confirm modifying /etc/modules?
[13:15]  * GridCube doesnt know
[13:15] <livingdaylight> aquix, ? the core-temp thingy sensors-detect came back with
[13:16] <livingdaylight> http://pastebin.com/rYEPj7PF
[13:16] <livingdaylight> its still waiting for a yes/no
[13:17] <livingdaylight> k, went ahead with that
[13:17] <aquix> I always do
[13:17] <livingdaylight> now, inx?
[13:17] <livingdaylight> inxi
[13:17] <livingdaylight> sudo apt-get install inxi ?
[13:18] <aquix> try, can't remember if it's in the repos
[13:19] <livingdaylight> apparently not
[13:19] <GridCube> !info inxi
[13:19] <GridCube> nope
[13:20] <aquix> livingdaylight  look at this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1889898              there is also a program called thinkfan worth searching for
[13:20] <livingdaylight> ok, aquix | GridCube - thank you VERY much
[13:21] <GridCube> :) dont worry, and good luck
[13:21] <aquix> no problem
[13:21] <livingdaylight> hah, i7 - i wish, mines just i3 :)
[13:22] <livingdaylight> still could apply?
[13:22] <aquix> here   http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/shell-system-information-tool-for-linux.html
[13:25] <livingdaylight> sweet
[13:26] <aquix> yup, it's a sweeth little program, and you can also call on it here in irc so anyone can see your specs with /exec         like this..
[13:30] <livingdaylight> running into dependency issues gawek and mesa-utils missing, but sudo apt-get install gawk is not installing
[13:30] <livingdaylight> gawk : PreDepends: libsigsegv2 (>= 2.9) but it is not going to be installed
[13:31] <livingdaylight> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[13:31] <livingdaylight> -f = force? is that safe?
[13:33] <aquix> hmm, strange
[13:35] <aquix> try  sudo apt-get install  gawk mesa-utils
[13:35] <aquix> then the deb file again
[13:35] <livingdaylight> launched synaptic and says a package is broken and to use the broken filter
[13:36] <aquix> if not try       sudo apt-get -f install
[13:37] <Sysi> or just skip the tool it'll probably fail anyway because of missing dependencies
[13:44] <z121231211> Alright, I probably should've listened last time, but before installing Xubuntu I used nomodeset and it worked fine. Then I installed without the needed display drivers. Now I can't boot into Xubuntu.
[13:44] <z121231211> Is there a way to boot into a command-line mode or install drivers without having to boot it up?
[13:47] <TheSheep> z121231211: yes and yes
[13:48] <z121231211> Oh cool, I guess booting up the live cd would be simpler. How do I install the vesa drivers on an installation that way?
[13:49] <TheSheep> z121231211: vesa should be installed by default
[13:50] <TheSheep> z121231211: but the way you would do it is 1. boot your livecd, 2. mount the disk on which your / is, 3. chroot to it, 4. install it normally
[13:50] <TheSheep> z121231211: won't work for things that need to install additional stuff in kernel, like nvidia drivers
[13:51] <z121231211> I'm using AMD and heard something about "aticonfig --initial"
[13:51] <z121231211> How do I chroot?
[13:51] <Sysi> you can boot regular installation with nomodeset too
[13:52] <z121231211> How?
[13:52] <z121231211> Is there a key I have to press before booting?
[13:53] <Sysi> press/hold shift right after bios
[13:53] <z121231211> Alright, I'm going to save this and try to boot in with either nomodeset or with live CD, brb
[14:02] <martinphone> whats the easiest way to enlarge an open app?
[14:02] <martinphone> im looking for an option that includes drawing with the mouse plus a key
[14:03] <martinphone> from the corner of the app...
[14:05] <xubuntu426z12123> Alright, I'm in the live cd right now. Couldn't get to nomodeset by mashing shift for my installation.
[14:06] <xubuntu426z12123> Odd, my name got weird
[14:12] <craigbass1976> Is there any way to get rid of the "Recenttly Used" choice when opening files?
[14:23] <z121231211> Alright I chroot-ed on to the other filesystem. aticonfig isn't installed and I don't know how I'd get it.
[14:23] <TheSheep> !find aticonfig
[14:24] <z121231211> bash !: event not found
[14:24] <z121231211> bash: !find: event not found*
[14:25] <Pici> z121231211: that was a command for ubottu, our channel bot.
[14:25] <z121231211> Oh
[14:25] <Pici> z121231211: it said that 'aticonfig' is in the fglrx package.
[14:26] <z121231211> Ah thanks, installing things. Finally getting somewhere
[14:27] <TheSheep> sorry I wasn't clear
[14:28] <TheSheep> z121231211: you can also use the search at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[14:29] <z121231211> It was downloading, but I got an error. Mostly no such files and permission denied
[14:29] <z121231211> Would that be the limitations of chroot?
[14:30] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get update
[14:30] <TheSheep> it has links to old versions, newer versions appeared in the meantime
[14:31] <z121231211> Alright, doing that now
[14:31] <TheSheep> or not
[14:31] <TheSheep> also, make sure your disk is not mounted read-only
[14:31] <TheSheep> 'mount' will tell you
[14:33] <z121231211> Where is 'mount' or do I type that in?
[14:33] <TheSheep> you type that
[14:34] <z121231211> It's downloading files right now. Right-click>properties says there's read/write permissions for Owner but read only for everyone else
[14:34] <TheSheep> that's ok
[14:35] <z121231211> mount says rw,nosuid,nodev
[14:35] <z121231211> uhelper=udisks
[14:35] <TheSheep> ok
[14:36] <TheSheep> rw == read-write
[14:36] <z121231211> Ok, all good then
[14:38] <TheSheep> if you get the errors again, can you pastebin them?
[14:38] <z121231211> Sure
[14:40] <z121231211> Actually I can't copy from terminal
[14:40] <z121231211> Or I guess, how do I copy from terminal?
[14:42] <gry> hi
[14:43] <TheSheep> z121231211: you just select it
[14:43] <TheSheep> z121231211: and then you press the middle mouse button to paste it
[14:45] <z121231211> Alright
[14:51] <z121231211> I guess fresh installations take awhile to update
[14:57] <z121231211> http://pastebin.com/6yf8S7gy
[14:57] <z121231211> How it went
[14:58] <z121231211> There was a permission denied at the end but not sure if that'd be significant
[14:58] <TheSheep> hehe, fun, that's an artifact of the chroot
[14:59] <TheSheep> to do it correctly you should rebind /dev and /proc before doing chroot
[15:00] <z121231211> How do I do that?
[15:01] <z121231211> http://pastebin.com/cENXm30r
[15:01] <z121231211> Tried it again, error messages
[15:01] <TheSheep> so, if you have your disk mounted under /media/yourdisk, you should first do  mount --bind /dev /media/yourdisk/dev
[15:01] <TheSheep> and then chrrot /media/yourdisk
[15:01] <livingdaylight> tried to create a 'Linux' group in Diigo to save all the links and tips posted earlier for my benefit. But, Diigo wants a minimum of a 6 letter entry, but Linux is spelt with 5 letters - silly Diigo - what doo they care whether my group is a 3 or 5 letter word?
[15:03] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: call it 'linux diigo group' :D
[15:03] <baizon> "Linux <3"
[15:03] <z121231211> TheSheep: How do I get out of chroot?
[15:03] <TheSheep> baizon: why would you exclude the 3.x kernel?
[15:03] <TheSheep> z121231211: type "exit"
[15:04] <baizon> TheSheep: its the web 2.0 smiley :P
[15:04] <livingdaylight> TheSheep, \o/
[15:08] <z121231211> TheSheep: Alright, mounted /dev and /proc. Should I just do all of that again?
[15:10] <z121231211> TheSheep: omg it's doing something different! :D
[15:12] <nsahoo> on ubuntu, what's the difference between xubuntu-desktop and xfce4?
[15:13] <nsahoo> trying to decide what I should install
[15:13] <baizon> nsahoo: integration into ubuntu stuff, like usc indicators, etc.
[15:13] <z121231211> TheSheep: Alright it installed and I was able to do "aticonfig --initial". Just in case: http://pastebin.com/Ed6e2BVf
[15:13] <baizon> i recommend xubuntu
[15:14] <nsahoo> baizon: why?
[15:14] <z121231211> TheSheep: Should I do anything else?
[15:14] <baizon> nsahoo: like i said, you get more features :)
[15:15] <nsahoo> baizon: ok
[15:21] <z121231211> TheSheep: Just booted up, no errors. Thanks a ton!
[15:55] <livingdaylight> TheSheep, or, come to think of it, "GNU/Linux" :D
[17:45] <Riley24> would someone here mind helping me with pavucontrols for somereason my volume keys arnt working
[17:45] <Riley24> even though i have my built in speakers set as default the volume keys only control hdmi out
[17:48] <Riley24> anyone here
[17:54] <TheSheep> Riley24: we are here, but we don't know how to solve that
[17:54] <TheSheep> Riley24: have you tried searching the forums?
[17:54] <Riley24> yes
[17:55] <TheSheep> Riley24: you could try the sound mixer panel plugin?
[17:55] <TheSheep> Riley24: it lets you choose which sound card and track to use
[17:55] <Riley24> it switches channels fine and the slider works but my volume key only controls hdmi out
[17:56] <Riley24> there isnt one im on voyageros witch is xubuntu 12.04
[17:57] <Riley24> it only has pavucontrols and pulse audio eq
[17:57] <Riley24> alsamixer is there in terminal and it is set right
[18:01] <TheSheep> Riley24: one workaround you could try is to set shortcuts on your volume kesy to alsamixer
[18:01] <TheSheep> Riley24: or amixer
[18:01] <Riley24> how would i do that
[18:01] <Riley24> i only need pavucontrols to switch outputs
[18:03] <TheSheep> does "amixer sset Master playback +20dB" work for you?
[18:03] <TheSheep> (type that in terminal)
[18:06] <Riley24> only shows 0.00db gain
[18:06] <TheSheep> :/
[18:06] <TheSheep> how about "amixer -c 1 sset Master playback +20dB" ?
[18:08] <Riley24> im not seing -c anywere
[18:12] <Riley24> well this kind of explains it but im not sure how they did that
[18:12] <Riley24> http://askubuntu.com/questions/130927/how-to-switch-default-sound-device-controlled-by-hardware-keys-in-xubuntu
[18:22] <Riley24> sweet i did it!
[18:22] <Riley24> thank god lol
[18:23] <Riley24> i had to reset the string under settings editor
[18:47] <TheSheep> I wonder where would be the right place to ask for advice on buying a laptop
[18:48] <genii-around> TheSheep: Probably ##hardware
[18:48] <baizon> TheSheep: offtopic i think
[18:48] <TheSheep> genii-around: thanks
[18:48] <baizon> =)
[20:35] <liquidee> hello
[20:36] <liquidee> is there any quick way to setup xubuntu to look EXACTLY like it does in live cd?
[20:36] <liquidee> i have fresh xubuntu installation
[20:39] <TheSheep> liquidee: it should look the same
[20:40] <liquidee> TheSheep: i think i might have messed it up
[20:40] <liquidee> TheSheep, when i rebooted the machine after installation
[20:40] <TheSheep> liquidee: make sure you select the 'xubuntu' session on first login of your user, not the 'xfce' one
[20:40] <liquidee> yeah
[20:40] <liquidee> thats what i did
[20:40] <liquidee> :D
[20:40] <liquidee> i mean i choose xfce
[20:40] <TheSheep> then create a new user
[20:40] <liquidee> so i guess it overrided my settings
[20:41] <liquidee> oh
[20:41] <liquidee> brb, trying that
[20:41] <TheSheep> remember to give it admin rights
[22:15] <xubuntu298> Hello, anyone knows why ''gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf'' command won't work for me? I'm new to Xubuntu.
[22:18] <xubuntu298> Hello, anyone knows why ''gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf'' command won't work for me? I'm new to Xubuntu.