=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:06] aMorning all [07:22] morning diplo :) [07:23] Hello all! Morrning diplo. [07:23] morning jussi :) [07:23] christel: Im not talking to you. I was 10 mins away and you didnt come see me. :P [07:24] haha i would if i'd known before you were like "so i am in farnborough but i am leaving in an hour" :P [07:24] well we only ended up in farnborough because we were just driving around and the road took us there... [07:25] hehe [07:26] i am so tired :( [07:26] but then that we went and visited a guy from the mer community, and he both scared and thrilled me... (he has a [very fast] Jaguar...) [07:26] then the boxter wasnt so fun anymore... [07:27] haha [07:27] i saw the car pics, you looked like you were enjoying it ;) [07:28] yeah, when I was in control... [07:28] :P [07:31] hehe [07:41] boys and their toys.. ;) [07:46] morning [07:51] i'm finding the controversy over jonah lehrer's misquoting of bob dylan confusing [07:52] i don't care that he made this particular thing up, i still like his work [07:56] hehe [07:59] Good morning peeps :) [07:59] GOOD MORNING BIGCLAM [08:00] christel: sorry, no hangover today :P [08:00] christel: good morning my dear :) [08:00] how are you lovelychops? :D [08:00] Heh [08:01] In need of a weekend. Lucky there is one starting in a few hours [08:01] How are you deary? [08:02] i am in a slightly devilish mood but very very well :D [08:03] thyself? :D [08:03] I thought that was your normal state [08:03] You've already asked that :P [08:03] oh [08:03] SEE i just pay no attention! [08:04] i was enjoying some most delectable thoughts [08:04] and pondering trying AlanBell for breakfast [08:04] errrr [08:04] AlanBell's eggs [08:05] It's an easy mistake to make. I've often confused AlanBell for his chickens... [08:06] i'm not sure he'd fit in my frying pan ;) [08:07] I might have some eggs too [08:07] will try not to cook myself [08:08] good morning breakfast! [08:08] ;) [08:08] Haha [08:09] i am unsure whether to fry, omelette, scramble or boil [08:09] hrm hrm hrm === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:09] poached eggs [08:09] ooh yes [08:10] that sounds scrumptious actually [08:10] Poached for me please [08:10] morning TheOpenSourcerer \o/ [08:10] yo christel et al. [08:11] * TheOpenSourcerer got overtaken on Shortheath road (residential) again this morning. because I stick to the 30mph speed limit. :-( [08:11] Complain to your local police station, I expect they could do with the revenue ? [08:11] Why can't these idiots just get up a few minutes earlier? Then they wouldn't be in such a rush. [08:12] haha [08:12] my mum does a constant 50mph on every road [08:12] tbh a few years ago I used to be like that [08:12] lol [08:12] But I'm sloooow now [08:12] AlanBell: _every_ road? [08:13] bigcalm: motorways and everything [08:13] I find it much less stressful having plenty of time to get somewhere, and it also amuses me to watch people getting more and more excitable in my rear view mirror ;-) [08:13] diplo: as you get older, you come the realise the cost of fuel, tyres, sanity. There little to actually rush for :) [08:14] yeah, that and now also the safety of my boys as well [08:14] Having kids made me slow down on residential roads. I tend to not hold back on Motorways or dual carriageways etc. [08:14] AlanBell: economical on the motorways, not so healthy in a 20 zone [08:14] A lot less fiery as well, I was known to be a bit of a road rage and actually get out of the car to punch people in my early days [08:14] bigcalm: you do soound like a grumpy old 50 year old at times you know that right :) [08:15] * TheOpenSourcerer would probably have been punched by diplo had we crossed roads then ;-) [08:16] czajkowski: I can't avoid it, so I shall embrace it. My eyebrows are slowly turning white :D [08:16] morning czajkowski <3 [08:16] I rarely do more than 75/80 on motorways.. I drive to Plymouth a lot as my grans is theree and I used to drive down there at anywhere between 80-95 and one day I decided to see what it was like driving at 50/60 all the way [08:16] Took me 20 mins longer and saving me 1/4 a tank of fuel [08:16] My nasal hair is now growing faster than that on my head. [08:17] TheOpenSourcerer: thanks for that lovely image [08:17] Happy Friday, folks! :-D [08:17] christel: ello elo;) [08:17] czajkowski: for you. Anything my dear :-) [08:17] hellooo JamesTait \o/ [08:17] Did we all see Adobe have released a nice new FOSS Font :-D [08:17] * JamesTait hugs christel [08:18] TheOpenSourcerer: why yes! [08:18] * christel hugs JamesTait [08:18] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/adobe-releases-source-sans-pro-a-new-open-source-font/ [08:18] Looks nice [08:18] it's all about fonts and branding you know :) [08:19] Indeed. I like the idea they will be using it for their open source products. Wonder where they got that idea? [08:19] they have open source products? [08:20] There is a need for a font family other than Ubuntu? [08:20] Morning popey [08:20] They are making them now: http://brackets.io/ [08:21] not massive glyph coverage in it [08:22] yet... [08:22] They are working on monospaced and greek & cyrillic [08:22] It's opensource - release early, release often :-D [08:24] TheOpenSourcerer, nasal combover? [08:24] Oooh nice idea oimon - although pulling them out with pliers has a certain masculinity that appeals to me ;-) [08:26] it's one way to initiate crying [08:27] I knew I was starting to age a bit when I had hair coming out on my back [08:27] :P [08:27] Why does pulling nasal hair cause one's eyes to water? [08:28] perhaps you're causing the tear-ducts to move [08:28] Not for me - unless it is a full "Clump"... [08:28] This wins as the most OT convo :) [08:28] :P [08:28] clump is rather a good word. [08:28] * dwatkins winces at the thought [08:28] TheOpenSourcerer: is that because you've had practice? [08:29] Almost certainly bigcalm [08:29] http://via.me/-3nnc98u#!/-3nmtvv0 [08:29] popey: that's Space Boss' ride? [08:29] yes [08:30] is it big enough? [08:30] Does it blend? [08:30] hah [08:31] bigcalm, but bum hairs are the same..longest hairs in the body, since they are connected to your eyeballs [08:31] oimon: I thought toe hairs had that title... [08:31] oimon: not something I've ever plucked to find out [08:32] "He's not a nosehair plucker, he's a nosehair plucker's son..." [08:32] i have a rogue bristly hair on the smooth underside of my wrist, keeps on reapparearing [08:32] its funny, in finnish we have different words for hair on your head and hair on your body... [08:32] And how many words for snow jussi? [08:33] popey: That's a quite beautiful piece of machinery. [08:33] one is just "hair" the other translates to "fur" [08:33] jussi: what if the wrong kind of hair grows somewhere, e.g. thicker hair on the back which should be under the arms? [08:33] I guess that's still not on the head. [08:33] dwatkins: its all "fur" [08:33] :D [08:34] that makes me quite furry... [08:34] popey: that is a very fancy bus [08:34] traffic and trains around the olympics are super quiet [08:34] it's been a good week [08:35] via.me doesn't work if I block everything ghostery blocks. [08:37] Did you all see Valve's news about game performance on Linux :-) http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/08/valves-optimizations-make-linux-port-of-l4d2-outperform-windows-version/ [08:39] good morning everyone. [08:39] morning brobostigon :) [08:40] morning christel :) [08:40] why are you all sat there pulling hairs? :o [08:40] practising for when it's an olympic sport [08:41] aah makes se.. no it doesnt [08:41] :P [08:41] well, i am getting some hair loss. [08:42] still only have a couple of greys in my late 30s [08:42] it's not always an advantage [08:42] people think i'm a young whippersnapper who doesn't have 20yrs experience of using unix [08:42] i have no idea if i have any grey hairs yet, i don't dare to not colour my hair in case i do [08:42] lol [08:43] Age is no indicator for greyness. Just ask AlanBell ;-) [08:44] ah but isnt he approaching 60? :x [08:44] * christel hides behind TheOpenSourcerer [08:44] he is approaching 60! [08:44] very slowly, from behind [08:44] * TheOpenSourcerer ducks [08:44] popey: haha <3 [08:46] I just caught popey's second line and immediately thought of Gary_.... [08:46] * AlanBell is indeed approaching 60 [08:46] Naughty :) [08:46] will get there in 23 years or so [08:47] Puts it into perspective. 27 years to go for some of us :S [08:47] bigcalm: yes, that is a word I would use about Gary_ :P [08:47] Hah [08:48] or just 13 years for some of us :-( [08:48] you old farts... I have 30 years to go... [08:50] Anyone know if Dustin Kirkland hangs about in any channels? [08:51] 24 for me :) [08:51] diplo: given he is in US, unlikely to be awakje atm [08:51] yeah, sorry meant for later [08:52] Just tinkering with some of his code and fancied a chat [08:53] yeah, he is around, in #ubuntu-devel iirc - nick also iirc is kirkland [08:53] a really nice guy [08:53] yeah followed him for years and blog, not a Canonical guy anymore though is he, went off to work on eCrypt [08:54] TheOpenSourcerer: awww [08:54] christel what? [08:54] 13 years! (i am slow) [08:55] Twice as close as we are [08:55] Oh - well yeah. I don't worry about it. I still "feel" like a big kid inside and probably always will :-D Much to wife's constant annoyance. [08:55] thanks jussi anyhoo [08:55] More than [08:55] TheOpenSourcerer: for some reason that does not surprise me at all :P [08:55] diplo: he is present in #ubuntu-devel atm, but I guess not active [08:56] Why do the Jocks have a day off on moday? [08:56] s\Monday [08:57] I've joined to remind myself later, suppose I really ought to work now [09:14] TheOpenSourcerer: dunno, but they don't get the one at the end of the month that we get [09:14] Morning (early?) davmor2 [09:15] is SATA hotswappable? [09:15] ali1234: yes [09:15] cool [09:15] bigcalm: Yeap I'm gonna knock off a bit earlier I'm feeling a bit bluh [09:15] Oh my - another chuck of possibly interesting leads appear in our inbox... [09:16] so they do [09:16] morning all [09:17] u1 on my android never uploads my photos anymore, always seems to be logged out whenever i run it [09:17] :( [09:17] And they keep on coming... [09:18] oimon: Only issue I get is "Failed to upload" [09:18] occasionally [09:18] I wish I could trace back a bit :/ [09:18] i don't think it's trying anymore [09:19] wonder if it happens after a version update [09:20] also, my android foced updates on me the other day, even apps i chose to update manually, it suddenly decided to run all updates [09:20] that means i got the new g+ app :( [09:20] Guessing you don't like [09:21] seems to be very picture-centric, even if the picture is irrelevant [09:21] and text overlays pics [09:21] not clean like it was before [09:21] Quite like it now tbh [09:21] you need to get android 4 [09:21] it has all different apps and they are much better [09:21] not sure it will be out for my htc [09:22] still v early days for my touchpad too [09:22] i'll prolly get android 4 when everyone else has android 8. slowpoke.jpg [09:24] so far i haven't seen super compelling reason to want JB [09:24] its better, but its not £400 better [09:25] i thought performance was the big thing? [09:25] 4.1 [09:25] oimon: What v you on for U One on android ? [09:25] performance will be a big thing in cyanogen's version [09:25] since they get the linaro massive improvements [09:25] there are nice things like being able to block notifications and stuff [09:26] diplo, 1.2.2 [09:26] but googles new standards for the play store might help stop airpush stuff anyway [09:26] yeah same... odd then it's not working [09:26] mine only uploads photos on wifi [09:26] and only once a day i think [09:27] ok, it's working now i've logged in [09:27] but not retrospectively [09:27] maybe it's either when i turn phone off, or the version updated, but i had to login first [09:27] morning all [09:28] ah, it is working retrospectively now [09:29] popey: you seen my bug perchance ? [09:29] another annoying thing is that google play insists on installing google books, 9MB [09:29] Flashtek, nope, bug number? [09:29] bug 1032306 [09:29] Launchpad bug 1032306 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installer crashed at who are you" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032306 [09:29] have to remove it manually until play updates the next time, and screws my phone [09:29] thanks [09:32] Flashtek, doesn't crash here [09:32] Flashtek, it wont let me get past the "Who are you?" screen without putting a name in [09:32] popey: lol [09:32] popey: might be Kubuntu specific then I guess ?? [09:33] oh, kubuntu, didnt notice that [09:33] * popey gets an iso [09:34] what phone are they using in the latest ubuntu android video? [09:34] and dock [09:34] which video? [09:34] i think they're using a nexus [09:34] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/ubuntu-for-android-demoed-on-video-at-fisl [09:35] having this would make me buy a HD telly. get home and pop the phone into the dock in font of telly [09:35] brb, brekky awaits [09:35] same one as before with the landscape dock I think oimon [09:36] no that video is still the motorola atrix 2 [09:36] the first time it was the atrix i though [09:36] you can see motorola along the top of the name of the phone [09:37] oimon: Read the comments ( first one is translated ) they say it's the Atrix2 in the translation [09:37] just saw that, cheers. tend to avoid the comments this early in the day ;D [09:38] it's always been the atrix2... [09:38] and accessing android features within the guest OS has always been possible on those phones [09:38] i don't have sound on this pc, but i can tell he's talking balearic/spanish/portgu [09:40] "But the telephone companies that are working with us to bring this pre-installed on phones are targeting the next generation that is quad-core with 1.5GB and 2GB." [09:40] yeah portugese, I couldn't last the whole video :P [09:41] didn't atrix have a laptop style device you could plug the phone into too? [09:42] wonder if it's wishful thinking to think that in the future we could have hot desks at work and just plug our mobiles in like this [09:43] I think the ubuntu for android thing is quite plausible as a product [09:43] i for one am holding out for it [09:44] it gives the manufacturers some kind of justification for putting quad core chips in phones [09:44] it's completely plausible [09:44] they already sell it with their own toy distro on it [09:44] which was based on ubuntu [09:45] putting a properly supported distro on it can only be an improvement [09:45] its got some nice integration too [09:45] like accessing your phone contacts in thunderbird [09:45] sure. [09:46] if they are making a second one, the first one must have done ok [09:46] even without any of that [09:46] AlanBell, who has my usb3 caddy? [09:46] popey: I do [09:46] cool [09:46] ali1234, my impression is thht they are working with vendors to release this as a thing, not just a homebrew feature [09:46] oimon: of course [09:47] there's no money in it if it's homebrew [09:47] putting a real official ubuntu instead of a half-cut self rolled distro is a win for everyone [09:47] Any samba/wins people here? Issue being [09:47] i've never seen an atrixx in the UK. everyone is htc, apple and samsng my circles [09:47] We have a customer who we vpn into [09:47] on the topic, it would be pretty stupid of me to expose a samba server to the internet because i'm too lazy to setup a vpn right? [09:48] A machine(s) are configured i think to look at our ip range incorrectly and are filling /var/log/messages on ,lots of our servers with [09:48] gord: yes [09:48] setting up a vpn isn't even that hard [09:48] gord, when i used samba actively, there were vulneriabilites aplenty [09:48] process_name_reqyest nmbd Error should be sent to a WINS Server [09:48] i don't think you are grasping just how lazy i want to be [09:48] Want to know how to trace back to what is causing this ? [09:48] it's easier than setting up samba, that's for sure [09:49] maybe i could just run a ps3mediaserver and expose that [09:49] I'm guessing dns ? [09:49] i already have samba setup [09:49] just buy a qnap nas, they have vpn built in [09:49] gord, for a windows client to access? [09:49] for anything i have to access [09:49] What are you wanting to do with it gord ? [09:50] access what specifically [09:50] i have ooodles of bandwidth now, so i want to stream my ripped dvd collection from whereever i am in the world instead of copying onto my laptop all the time [09:51] gord, use vlc? [09:51] I'd just put apache on an odd port and put a .htaccess in the root [09:52] and stream over http [09:52] I stream my music via a web app [09:53] Jessica Ennis just broke the 100m hurdle WR in the heptathlon. :-) [09:53] gord, you are giving the impression that you leave the house [09:54] TheOpenSourcerer, in the heat? [09:54] http://videojs.com/ [09:54] http://labs.official.fm/codecs/mp3/ [09:54] is it still ramadan btw? [09:55] hmm [09:55] anyone run JB and run 12.04 , can you connect your phone and move files to it ?? [09:55] oimon: Dunno if a heat or the final - Wouldn't have thought there would be elimination rounds in the Heptathlon somehow. [09:55] i thin kit's heats atm [09:55] oimon: often for weeks at a time! [09:55] gord: I've actually used this one http://jplayer.org/ [09:56] And I am writing my own web page for my server at home for it [09:56] two weeks in copenhagen coming up! [09:56] <3 copenhagen [09:56] my sister lives there for 4 years, and i haven't visited yet :S [09:56] shocking! [09:56] Butter chicken at India Palace. Have it. [09:57] denmark is loovely [09:57] mainly due to having baby and not liking planes [09:57] oimon: :o shocking [09:57] i don't think i'll do two weeks this time ;) [09:57] maybe can skip uds entirely [09:57] gord: booo but then I wont see you [09:57] :( [09:57] now mrs oimon is preg again i don't think we will go for another 2 years at least [09:57] one less box of tea bags I suppose [09:57] oimon: you know babies can go on planes you know :) [09:57] babies LOVE planes [09:57] * christel nods [09:58] yes, all that loud crying that makes my journey miserable is just a sign of how much they enjoy it [09:59] it's not fair to travellers to take a baby < 1yr on a plane [09:59] I still haven' taken mine [09:59] gord: not all do, but yeah some do and it's mostly the 2-4 year old that will not sit still or kick chairs that I have issues with [09:59] * AlanBell pictures babies enjoying flying while gord crys miserably [09:59] was sitting next to a small child on a plane once, every time i woke up he seemed to have grown until there was a full grown adult man next to me. i think the family was just messing with me [09:59] besides, it's usually a 4hr wait at the aorport, and not exactly conducive to stressfree living [09:59] wat [09:59] gord: lol [10:00] oimon: nah small babies are easiest, you just feed them and they are most happy [10:00] our family are in agreement anyway :) [10:01] gord: haha [10:01] * TheOpenSourcerer recalls flying back from St Lucia in Virgin Upper Class with our 1.5yr old who cried all the way. We were NOT Mr & Mrs popular on that flight ;-) [10:01] especially as long haul flights expose babies to huge amounts of radiation... [10:02] TheOpenSourcerer: aye long haul is damn hard on people [10:02] oimon: eh ?says who [10:02] Not in Upper Class it isn't (normally) [10:02] Used to travel all the time. [10:02] in my flying days i took a flight from new york full of american schoolgirl/cheerleader types [10:03] Gold VIP with BA and always turned left when entering the plane. No longer though :-( [10:03] Not now I have to pay for it myself. [10:03] A typical dose rate is 0.5 mrem per hour of flight. so a 12hr flight is the same as a chest xray [10:03] AlanBell: you need sell more stuff so that TheOpenSourcerer can fly in style! [10:04] so that level of radation is harmful for little children [10:04] What a great idea christel [10:05] ;) [10:05] sell a child ? [10:05] See that MS looks like it has to drop the "Metro" name... Now calling it Windows 8 UI Style or something [10:05] why has it had to drop the name? [10:05] Trademark infringement I guess. [10:06] someone else got there first and it isn't generic enough apparently [10:06] oh dear [10:06] you'd thing this sort of thing would be checked before release. [10:06] they obviously didn't consider Germany. [10:07] Metro is quite a big name in the USA though with parts of the transport system [10:07] they should call it patio instead [10:07] yes, it probably is generic in America [10:07] Decking! [10:07] (tm) [10:07] it was actually european partners who complained [10:07] I Got there first folks [10:08] oimon, assuming all forms of radiation react the same way to all things they come into contact with, your numbers work. humans aren't affected equally by cosmic rays and x-rays [10:08] Parquet! [10:08] (C) [10:08] they should call it sqrz (all lower case) [10:08] or even better sq.rz [10:09] 100 hours of flying in a year gives you approximately 50% more total radiation exposure than those who never fly. The biggest study says [10:09] you have nothing to fear. The FAA suggest that your increased rate of getting cancer is 0.005% for each year that you fly for 90 hours. [10:09] maybe they prefer children not to fly because it gives them longer to develop diseases [10:09] http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/252712.html [10:10] does anyone else get google books force-installed on their android? [10:10] oimon: nope. Don't think so. [10:10] Can you have a git repo with some svn externals in it? It sounds nuts, but I don't want to keep a load of externals in my own project repo [10:11] oimon: yes. It is installed. Says I can uninstall it though. [10:11] TheOpenSourcerer, yeah, until next time google market updates [10:12] then it reinstalls [10:12] swallows 9mb of precious memory and stops my phone working, since it's below the 15mb limit [10:12] oimon: Yes - it didn't really remove itself. Just flagged for update. [10:12] I don't use it but not really bothered tbh. [10:13] more of an issue if you have lack of sapce [10:13] even running apps on SD card takes internal memory for me [10:13] Ahh - I have an SIII [10:13] big space? [10:14] not sure where all my spce goes [10:14] 16GB I think. [10:14] oimon: Same issue, clear browser cache clears up some [10:14] There are certain logs you can clear if you are rooted? [10:14] diplo, yeah, i had to find a bookmark backup program [10:15] because clear cache didn't clear it but remove data did [10:15] yeah I have 11.35GB free. [10:15] From when I read up, it's to do with /System logs [10:15] diplo, would be interested to hear more :D [10:16]