[00:07] o/ [00:10] howdy vychune [00:12] ready for this meet? [00:12] i'll only be here 30 mins i work tonight [00:13] yep i'm ready [00:15] it doesn't start until 7:30 however [00:16] of course [00:16] brb [00:20] HAI netritious [00:20] >.> [00:20] hey there Svpernova09! [00:21] what are you doing here? lol, you know what I mean. [00:22] ping alyawn binarymutant cyberanger Juzzy orias pace_t_zulu Svpernova09 vychune wrst [00:23] pong [00:23] meeting starts in seven minutes [00:23] heh [00:23] omg yes [00:23] whats today's agenda? [00:23] unofficially leadership elections [00:25] and/or some chat about the LoCo [00:26] netritious: let me check something [00:26] * orias looks for refreshments [00:26] * netritious hands orias a tall one [00:27] howdy cyberanger [00:29] pace_t_zulu: you around? [00:30] netritious: terms expire this meeting, so not late on that, just on time [00:30] I was pretty sure it was August, but thanks for double-checking cyberanger [00:31] let me switch machines [00:31] there we go [00:32] I'm ready when everyone else is ready. I'm more than happy to wait on stragglers though. [00:36] i may be in and out cooking [00:36] k [00:37] just a sml bot [00:38] sml cyberanger? [00:38] is that like effe emme elle? [00:39] small bit [00:40] let's get this party started ya'll [00:40] operating at 9600 baud, not fun [00:40] #startmeeting [00:40] Meeting started Fri Aug 3 00:40:44 2012 UTC. The chair is cyberanger. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [00:40] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [00:40] ouch [00:41] netritious: high latency too (satellite phone) [00:41] eeek [00:41] #chair netritious [00:41] Current chairs: cyberanger netritious [00:41] wrst: you here? [00:41] #chair wrst [00:41] Current chairs: cyberanger netritious wrst [00:42] I would rather you chair cyberanger, but I'll try if needed. [00:43] netritious: take another look, it's three chairs [00:43] meetingology: has some new tricks the old bot didn't have [00:43] cyberanger: Error: "has" is not a valid command. [00:43] and is still new enough to be dumb at moments ^ [00:44] LOL [00:44] nice. where /is/ wrst? [00:44] netritious: wrst you & myself are all chairing it [00:44] im showing away in xchat [00:44] let's do roll call? [00:44] wrst: attending to family perhaps [00:44] most likely [00:45] whered Svpernova09 and orias go? [00:45] netritious: reping maybe? [00:45] >.> [00:46] <.< [00:46] netritious: per the blog post... [00:46] # A minimum of six members should be present to hold elections. [00:46] # It is preferable that a minimum of two members from each region attend the elections. [00:47] however, having four is better than some prior meetings [00:47] Right, and elections doesn't have to happen, but the meeting should. [00:47] that's why all headers end in (unofficial) [00:47] on the blog post [00:47] netritious: if elections don't happen, what do you propose, one month extension [00:47] west tn does have enough for it's region though [00:48] lemme see something real quick (over 9600 baud, might not be THAT quick) [00:48] raise your hand if you're here for the meeting please? [00:48] o/ [00:48] here [00:49] o/ [00:49] lol... here :) [00:50] I happen to know Ubik is out of town today, so he might be more focused on his trip (we'll see) [00:51] Ubik: you here? [00:51] well there is four :) better than two, and who knows, someone might show up. [00:52] netritious: everyone besides Ubik & Svpernova09 have been idle for over an hour, Svpernova09 over a half and Ubik about a minute [00:53] so... your all west tn, do you want to do any elections on your seat [00:53] I'm neutral, east tn, but there's 3 of you here, so...? [00:53] we could or we could talk about LoCo biz [00:53] o/ [00:54] yes vychune? [00:54] alyawn: remind me, your metro knoxville, yes [00:54] ? [00:54] chattanooga [00:54] we can, or just let it be if there's no changes [00:54] raising hand for presence late sorry [00:54] even better, my area ;-) [00:54] heh [00:54] awesome, and then there was five. [00:54] you're the one hogging my bandwidth then :) [00:55] not likely [00:55] netritious: so, no middle, two in east tn, 3 in west, loco biz, your call [00:56] I motion we postpone elections until we get the minimum (logical yet unofficial) attendees [00:57] *number of attendees [00:57] netritious: well, when was the last time we've had 6 people [00:57] w4ett's days? more recent? [00:58] when was the last time we had five? my point being, it's not important I don' think. [00:58] why not use a different method of voting, that enable absentee votes? [00:58] just asking to grasp if that's a high number, or not [00:58] ok, how about... [00:59] netritious: if it's not important, why postpone till we have it? [00:59] So is the motion not carried or...? [00:59] we can postpone it for this meeting at least, if there's a better issue to takle atm [01:00] I'm usually available on here, provided I get a ping [01:00] but I can't really second it, if it'll keep getting tabled [01:01] if it's not having 6, I can table it saying "restructing voting rules" or something [01:01] I think the two w tn poc's are fine. [01:01] Does anyone have a nomination for w tn point of contact? [01:01] netritious: so, extend current terms one month, to focus on current issues this meeting, is that the motion? [01:02] currently it is Svpernova09 and orias I believe. [01:02] netritious: that's correct [01:02] nova and orias are good with me [01:02] they're terms were automatically extended [01:03] yeah, me to. I thought that if we didn't vote they would serve another term? [01:03] (last election we were short on west tn, so after voting the rest, there was a vote to automatically renew, pending a step down letter or a challenge or something) [01:03] so yeah, no need to vote I guess? then not really postponing. [01:04] sounds logical [01:04] I motion that we move along lol. [01:04] netritious: so are we extending for the default 6 mo term, or just a one month postpone of elections [01:04] seconded [01:05] (sounds like we're agreed current leadership works for at least a month, worry about next month then) [01:05] any opposed? [01:06] no [01:06] no [01:07] [agreed] extend leadership term [01:07] netritious: next item [01:08] ( meetingology, unlike mootbot, is silent, no ack) [01:08] #topic Increasing attendance to the monthly LoCo IRC meetings, or is it important? [01:09] meetingology: #topic Increasing attendance to the monthly LoCo IRC meetings, or is it important? [01:09] netritious: Error: "#topic" is not a valid command. [01:09] * netritious is a chair n00b [01:09] [topic]Increasing attendance to the monthly LoCo IRC meetings, or is it important? [01:09] netritious: syntax change mootbot to meetingology [01:10] roger. thx cyberanger [01:10] on the one hand, I can't make meetings on thursday anymore (today is an exception that barely happened) [01:10] on the other, not sure it's right to talk about changing something to just the people that made it to the meeting [01:11] It does seem that receiving reminders does increase attendance, even if it's just a little. [01:11] that and elections has typically drawn more than avg too [01:11] Any night other than Thursday would also be better for me [01:11] so I'd like to see that repeat for a normal one [01:12] cyberanger: I put it to the list, but no one replied with an issue for Thur. nights. [01:12] then there's an issue, as I replied [01:12] and saw others reply [01:12] I do know that Svpernova09 will be occupied on the first Thu of the month, you and alyawn to now. [01:12] hm, that's odd. [01:13] (granted, some that replied tripped mailman errors that only I saw, and they didn't repost I guess) [01:14] hm. seems odd. [01:14] regardless, you have a point. we shouldn't move a meeting night just b/c the ppl showed, well, showed. [01:14] I only received the one email [01:14] sounds legit [01:14] I've had list issues since I enherited the list from w4ett [01:15] So weird that it was tested and eighteen replied? [01:15] netritious: becuase the errors weren't pass or fail [01:15] Back on topic though: How to increase attendance to these meetings? [01:16] One suggestion is to move the meeting night. [01:16] Any other suggestions? [01:16] some were members somehow getting the list, but getting flaged as non-members [01:16] others were mis-flagged as spam [01:16] Incentives? [01:16] majority made it [01:16] Ah, yes, that would be good. A reason to come. :) [01:17] I would like to either use the meeting time to possibly start doing some tutorials, right here in IRC. [01:17] netritious: I think actually when 2 out of 5 say they have issues with thursday, and an additional member (that we know of) has that too, that's enough to make a motion of some kind on it [01:18] tutorials such as? [01:18] apache? [01:18] not to change it outright, but at least find out what works for those who showed [01:19] alyawn: maybe make suggestions to the list? [01:19] Well, maybe we should just defer meeting changes to list [01:19] alyawn: anything a member proposes (within reason, a howto on commiting a federal crime with ubuntu would be bad) [01:19] alyawn: good point. [01:19] ok.. so the primary rule is Ubuntu specific for tutorials? [01:19] cyberanger: can you get some support on the mailing list issues you are having? [01:20] sorry i'm late! [01:20] doesn't mailman allow you to mark something not spam? [01:20] howdy wrst [01:20] hey netritious sorry been providing support and also getting ready to install ubuntu for my brother so hopefully that excuses me :) [01:21] you don't need an excuse wrst [01:21] netritious: not at a rate that helps, considering how much spam lists.ubuntu.com gets [01:21] * wrst checks out the informative scrollback [01:22] cyberanger: is the first Thur of every month the official meeting day for LoCo's? [01:22] I've had to disapprove 350 messages on avg for zero approvals, this month, about 500 disapproved, for 5-10 legit [01:22] netritious: each loco sets it [01:22] maybe post to the Ubuntu-TN G= some stuff? [01:22] Looks like we may need another list? [01:22] it's not a loco council thing, it's just what worked back in feb 2009 [01:22] ah k, didn't know. [01:23] and the time was tweaked once for a few (namely jfenn2199 & myself) [01:23] But still, it concerns me that so many replied to the test, and you say so many replied that need to change the night of the meeting, but none of those came through? [01:23] netritious: the issues are getting support, just fighting time & the rate of spam in the mean time [01:24] cyberanger: are you the only one that can maintain the list? [01:25] If you need help managing it, I'd be glad to provide it. [01:25] the issue really boils down to members actually joining the list [01:25] yeah i could throw my hat in that ring also, i help with the support in an opensource project and the spam can be overwhelming for one person to maintain [01:26] alyawn: I would think the tutorials need to be Ubuntu centric yes. [01:26] the few others are too few and far between, I maintain it twice daily on avg [01:26] netritious, thought so [01:26] i've gotta go now tend to sleep stuff, but cyberanger, good to see we have doubled attendance from the last meeting!! [01:26] I'll get wrst in on it too (middle tn leadership) [01:27] sleep stuff for the youn 'un [01:27] thanks cyberanger... i think [01:27] ok, sounds good. [01:27] wrst: don't worry, stay focused on lp, I got the list [01:27] we'll just back each other up as we've already done [01:28] as needed [01:28] ha ha ok cyberanger now that sounds like a plan [01:28] Eighteen members replied to the test. Only one replied with a issue with Thur nights, and only one other in this meeting. [01:28] I don't think we need a motion for changing meeting nights, unless you make one cyberanger. [01:28] netritious: two, alyawn Svpernova09 & myself [01:28] Ah yes, true. [01:29] So three. [01:29] netritious: just curious would it work better for people during the daytime we seem to be having more irc activity then at present? [01:29] Three of eighteen that has signed up to the list and replied to the test. [01:29] I'm making a motion, tutorials as part of every other meeting, and making it a choice between the current day & time, and another day & time [01:29] and putting that on the list [01:29] Actually I just had a thought. [01:30] (with a clear way to absentee vote too) and approve one or another next meeting [01:30] There is no reaosn I can't start providing tutorials independently of these meetings. [01:30] that's the motion I propose (but I'm tabling the motion to hear you out) [01:30] Not at the same time as the meeting of course. [01:31] true, but I think it's spot on, we need to get back to meetups, tutorials, helping on irc, the forums [01:31] Sure, but I thought the current topic was how to increase attendance? Are we done with that? [01:31] if that's an incentive for some, why deny it [01:32] I think we ran everyone off. There was traciton now none, lol. [01:32] vychune: still here [01:32] orias: still here [01:32] alyawn: still here? [01:32] I think tutorials in a group session could be good, but will need to be time limited [01:32] and yes... still here [01:32] +1 [01:32] alyawn: yep sometimes the meetings can be too long like make you want to shoot yourself long! [01:32] haha wrst [01:33] now i really have to go :) [01:33] not to shoot anyone! [01:33] heh... good luck [01:33] yeah... still don't know how to truely resolve that one [01:33] heh [01:33] cyberanger: I was mainly trying to brainstorm. [01:34] We have enough here to do that. [01:34] So sending meeting reminders help. [01:35] yes... we need reminders of the reminders [01:35] Having incentive helps, like sharing information, maybe int he form of tutorials. [01:35] netritious: I follow, but I do think a motion should be made towards that meeting time, some might have been indifferent, and nobody proposed an alternative yet (despite some saying thursday was an issue) [01:35] o/ [01:35] you made the motion and no one seconded. [01:35] vychune: are you seconding? [01:36] I actually tabled it, for discussion [01:36] no responding [01:36] Oh lol [01:36] since we don't have that second option, [01:37] alyawn: is a tuesday better? [01:37] yes... [01:37] netritious: also, if it's not a vote, don't think we need a second, just an agreement [01:38] I disagree with changing the regularly scheduled meetings. [01:38] alyawn: say, fourth tuesday [01:38] netritious: I'm not changing it, just setting a second option, so we can get better input on the list & next meeting [01:38] any tuesday is fine with me [01:38] Ah ok, makes complete sense. [01:39] I think if we had first thursday OR forth tuesday, it makes it a choice, people have to pick [01:39] I think that is adding more complexity than neccessary cyberanger. [01:39] We can't even get replies to the mailing list. [01:40] Not in a predictable fashion anyway. [01:41] netritious: I think people saying they can't make it, or it's hard to make it, and offering no alternatives isn't a resolution to the issue [01:41] So I guess a better question is, if the mailing list is not going to work to communicate to the LoCo members, for wahtever reason, what can be done to rectify the situation? [01:41] agreed on the list [01:41] netritious: the list worked, mostly [01:42] the three issues I saw was it became two threads, due to some replying to the daily archive, others to the actual thread [01:42] i think the biggest issue is the purpose [01:42] others replied from an address not registered to mailman (but cross checked with lp, were members) [01:42] vychune: +1 [01:43] and the third was...maybe the third was resolved before this thread [01:43] we have to define the reason we do things [01:43] These meetings are not getting much accomplished. I feel like we are tlaking in circles here. [01:43] *talking [01:43] the purpose of a loco is defined [01:43] true [01:43] a loco [01:44] LoCo = Local Community [01:44] but not at a loco level, at the council level [01:44] but TN's loco may need more definition [01:44] We, the people here that registered on Launchpad, are Ubuntu LoCo Members [01:44] cyberanger: or that lol [01:44] right [01:45] ubuntu loco tennessee members, yes [01:45] members of the tennessee team [01:46] I think on the topic of meeting times, first thursday 8:30 ET 7:30 CT and 4th tues same time, should that go to the list, the adgenda on wp, so on [01:46] to be put to a decision on our next meeting on... [01:47] on the 6th of sept [01:47] cool [01:47] making that a motion [01:47] i think a topic sholud be made about getting more activites in here [01:48] but that put's meetings back to back [01:48] unless it;s a five week month of course [01:48] argh this keyboard layout [01:48] netritious: it puts two meetings in one month, but not back to back [01:49] if that was switched, we'd have a meeting on the 6th & 25th [01:49] for one month only [01:49] the 4th tuesday of the month and the first tues of the followign month is typically back to back [01:49] and we've don that before for elections once [01:49] *first thur [01:50] this month, this meeting, next month, on the 6th, a vote on which one to hold future meetings [01:50] opt. 1, keep the same, nothing is back to back [01:51] opt. 2, switch, sept 25th, next meeting after is oct. 23rd [01:51] so nothing is back to back (but sept would have two meetings due to the switch) [01:51] crap, gotta take this call guys. afk [01:52] vychune: agreed, but activities doesn't help some of us attend meetings (if it wasn't for the satphone I'm on, I'd be at work with no internet for this meeting, normally I'm on a work project or at church right now) [01:54] I think we need activities too [01:54] How about a Ubuntu Use-of-the-Month just as a conversation topic [01:55] well, that may work [01:56] ah darn, I only had an hour and a half for the meeting, gotta get back to work [01:56] one member gives a short Q&A for something they did or used ubuntu with/for [01:56] finish this project by morning [01:56] good luck, cyberanger [01:59] o/ [01:59] fedex time i gotta go [01:59] good talk guys [01:59] cya [01:59] o/ [02:19] #endmeetimg [02:19] heh... yeah [02:19] [endmeeting] [02:19] Meeting ended Fri Aug 3 02:19:23 2012 UTC. [02:19] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-us-tn/2012/ubuntu-us-tn.2012-08-03-00.40.moin.txt [02:19] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-us-tn/2012/ubuntu-us-tn.2012-08-03-00.40.html [02:22] nite! [02:22] Good night. [02:29] wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [02:29] p/ [02:29] o/ === wrst changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-tn to: Welcome to #ubuntu-us-tn the Tennessee Ubuntu Loco team | Visit our website http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/ | TN Loco forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=259 | Team wiki: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team [04:01] o/ [04:13] wrst, ah, but still a post somewhere isn't exactly apart of the system / pacman [04:13] but yeah if I looked hard enough I probably could have found it [06:54] I love the history command [07:03] oh man [07:03] I think I just installed everything kde [07:04] * chris4585 bangs head on keyboard [07:05] oh well :| [10:26] I really wish my external hdd was just magically ext4 instead of fat32 [10:28] that sucks [10:29] but any computer can read fat while ext is pretty specific [10:32] i keep my external on ext4, but its always connected to my server [10:32] well yeah, only reason it isn't switch right now is it would be a hassle to move 200 something gigabytes just to reformat it [10:33] I mean yeah, every computer can pretty much read fat but I don't ever take it anywhere lol [10:41] so wrst, I accidentally installed "kde" last night lol [10:41] when I just wanted kdebase [10:41] ha ha [10:41] how do you like it chris4585? :) [10:41] dunno yet, I've been too busy doing internet stuff to play around with it lmao [10:49] i have to say its nice but i just can not get into using it === pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu [11:20] yeah, same [11:20] http://imgur.com/a/IRf3K#3 [11:20] "This is what I call productivity" [11:21] http://imgur.com/a/IRf3K#0 *** [11:58] crap, ima have to redo my dual monitors :/ [12:00] next meeting we should do a post-your-desktop-a-thon [12:01] binarymutant: thats a good idea! [12:01] I'm full of em [12:01] full of something :P [12:01] * wrst is glad that he didn't have to say that :) [12:02] lol [12:06] binarymutant: how is debian treating you? [12:06] it's okay, still trying to set everything up again [12:07] like dualmonitors [12:07] i just have a few shell extensions i have to get when i set a system up, i try to keep it basic so i don't have issues, i used to modify everything [12:07] binarymutant, that sounds fun [12:07] binarymutant, you purged arch? lol [12:08] yeah I really need to stop modifying the system and just run everything as a user. That way I won't have to do anything if I change distros [12:08] chris4585, yeah they made me mad [12:08] back on good ole debian [12:08] lol? well whatever works [12:10] or doesn't work :) [12:10] brb gotta restart X [12:11] the arch bigots have angered me before in #archlinux ? but that isn't a reason I would give up arch though [12:15] chris4585: you are a brave man [12:16] i don't speak in #archlinux [12:16] yeah, well I guess I wont ever go back in there [12:17] this guy just wanted to be a douche because his ego and elitism was showing, they were all fine until I said archbang [12:18] chris4585: i go to watch the show , its like watching the crocs feed feed on the poor animals trying to cross the river [12:18] they pick on the weak and the wounded [12:18] and i am generally both so i just try to blend in and watch :) [12:18] apparently archbang is so different that mentioning a pacman related issue forced them to shove me out the door and look for help elsewhere [12:19] chris4585: they really don't care about the size of the community i think they prefer it to be small and elitist but they shouldn't have created such a good distro [12:19] which was fine I got what I wanted, came back to let the guy know what the issue was and he said he already knew what the issue was [12:19] I almost installed archbang [12:19] wrst, right? [12:20] binarymutant, it was pretty much my easy way of installing arch, which really wasn't all that much easier because the installer is the exact same as arch's [12:20] I just had gparted up with the installer [12:20] :) [12:21] so do they have an installer still? [12:21] I have no idea, I don't think they have updated their iso in a while [12:21] yeah the one I downloaded was from may I think [12:22] yeah, that is the same one I installed [12:22] chris4585: i tried archbang and it seemd just like the AIF but it installed a desktop [12:22] yeah [12:22] openbox [12:23] pretty much, then I just tweaked openbox to my liking.. which was weird because I started removing things after an install than installing [12:23] I don't like tint [12:23] tint2* [12:24]