/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/03/#ubuntu-za.txt

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Squirmmorning04:48
Kilosmorning charlvn and the rest of ubuntu-za05:28
KilosMaaz, coffee on05:44
* Maaz washes some mugs05:44
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!05:48
KilosMaaz, ty05:48
MaazYou are welcome Kilos05:48
Kilosmorning SmilyBorg_w 06:14
SmilyBorg_whey there06:14
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Squirmlo06:56
Kiloshi Squirm 06:59
magespawngood morning all07:16
Kiloshi magespawn 07:16
Kiloswhen you got time i got some stuff you can try inna shop to speed up your internet connection07:17
magespawnokay you have my attention.07:19
Kiloshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG5cEik2ABY07:20
Kilosi think thats the one07:20
magespawnwill check it out ty.07:20
Kiloswinding more cable to your pc router connection07:20
Kilosyw07:20
* Kilos greets cocooncrash 07:21
cocooncrashHi Kilos 07:22
Kiloswhat happened SadBorg 07:38
SadBorgMy girlfriend and I moved into separate apartments after a little over 2 years of living together. We haven't borken up, just living separately.07:40
Kilosoh i thought you had work probs07:41
SadBorgIt's hard enough being apart, but I can't stand being on my own. Any my new place is so alien and cold 07:41
SadBorgif I'm not careful, I'll end up with work problems. Not easy to function at work when I'm in tears every 5 minutes07:42
SadBorgdunno how I managed to drive to work like that07:42
Kiloseish07:42
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magespawnhey Kilos08:03
Kilosmagespawn, lemme know if it works here hey08:03
Kiloslol08:03
Kilosyes?08:03
magespawnno luck with that hack but I will try another cable as the one I tried only has four strands.08:05
Kilosoh it said same cable methinks08:06
Kilosone can buy them08:06
Kiloscat6 cables i think they are called08:06
magespawni have but the one plugged in is a premade08:07
Kiloswell this is supposed to be a poor mans workaround to that08:07
Kilosif you have one in there i dunno if the added cable will then again double the speed08:08
magespawnwill check it out a bit later08:10
Kilosk08:15
charlvngood morning all09:15
Kiloshi charlvn 09:16
charlvnhi Kilos 09:20
charlvnMaaz: coffee on09:20
* Maaz flips the salt-timer09:20
charlvnKilos: how's it going this fine morning09:20
smilehi Kilos & charlvn :p09:22
charlvnhi smile 09:22
smilegood morning :)09:22
charlvnhow's the weather in BE, here in NL it's nice and sunny today09:23
MaazCoffee's ready for charlvn!09:24
Kiloshi smile charlvn i maintain09:29
smilecharlvn: it's fine! :D09:29
Kiloslearning bits and pieces with unity09:29
smilethere is some wind and some clouds, but the sun is shining :p09:29
smileand it's warm outside :)09:30
smileKilos: hi hi :) have you slept well today?09:30
Kilosnope been struggling with lame sheep09:31
Kilosgave pennicillin injection and put stuff onna hooves to prevent ticks hopping on09:32
smileKilos: not good :(09:32
charlvnshame that sucks Kilos :(09:46
Kilosya09:48
Kilosbbl10:04
magespawnhey Kilos no luck with that cable trick so far.11:00
Kilosare you trying it on a cat6 cable magespawn 11:02
Kilosi dont think it will work there11:02
Kilosthe cat6 is already doing what we are trying to do11:02
magespawni only have cat511:06
magespawnbut yes ithink you are right11:06
Kilosi think its basically for the single cables11:07
Kilosthe cheap ones11:07
magespawnahh well, worth a try.11:08
Kilosyeah maybe cat5 isnt done like that11:32
Kiloshi not_found_droid 11:32
not_found_droidKilos: alo uncle 11:37
inetproKilos: Ubuntu Hour at The Mall of Rosebank on Saturday 11 August 2012 12:00-14:00 SAST Details: http://t.co/Zb6Inbcr and http://t.co/DV6awq0n11:52
Maazinetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro Dankie dat jy my laat weet het boetie. hoop als gaan goed en loop vlot daar" 1 day, 20 hours, 50 minutes and 47 seconds ago11:52
inetprohmm... 11:53
* inetpro been away that long?11:53
Kilosya11:54
inetproKilos: ek dink jy kan daai pos op twitter11:54
Kilosok sal doen11:55
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Kiloshi Trixar_za 12:08
Trixar_zaHey Kilos12:08
Kilosinetpro, did you see the tweet12:08
Trixar_zaThe droid font is pretty extensive. I installed it and low and behold, it's showing Chinese and Japanese characters12:12
Kiloslol12:23
Kiloscan one only get myunity from a ppa goodie12:26
Kilosnope found in that top thing12:27
Kilosdash12:27
inetproKilos: dankie, ja12:31
Kilosmooi12:31
Kilosi hope its safe to install ubuntu tweak12:34
Kilosanother ppa12:34
Kilostumbleweed, is ubuntu tweak wise for me12:35
Kilosor inetpro ^12:37
Kilosreading http://www.webupd8.org/2012/04/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html i get bang12:39
tumbleweedKilos: we had a long discussion on whether ubuntu-tweak should be included in Ubuntu, a couple of years ago12:42
tumbleweedhttp://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.motu/674012:42
tumbleweedwe decided not to12:42
Kilosty tumbleweed 12:42
not_found_droidWho need to type when they can talk12:43
Kilosthere is some kinda tweak thing in software centre too must i leave that as well12:43
tumbleweedI liek this post in that discussion: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.motu/676812:43
tumbleweedgnome-tweak and myunity are in Ubuntu, because they just let you change configuration options12:44
Kiloscalled ubuntu user ausgape12:44
Kilosi cant copy it to paste here12:45
tumbleweedubuntu-tweak encourages adding lots of PPAs, and similarly dangerous things, that mean you are having to trust many more developers not to break your machine12:45
Kilosoh my12:45
Kilosok ill try get things done wioth myunity only ty12:45
Trixar_zaIn one word: TweakUI and Lockergnome for Windows12:46
Trixar_zaWell, ok, maybe more than one12:46
Trixar_zaMy mind remembered Lockergnome later12:46
Trixar_za:P12:46
Trixar_zaOh and Gamegain and a few others12:49
Trixar_zaBut then again, the GNOME philosophy is to treat the user like an idiot :/12:50
Trixar_za(What else do you call hiding configurable?)12:51
Trixar_zaAnd I'm paraphrasing Linus Torvalds before somebody jumps me on it12:53
Trixar_zahttps://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html13:01
Trixar_zaHe since moved to XFCE, but yea13:01
Trixar_zaI like offending people, because I think people who get offended should be offended. ---Torvalds, Linus (2012-06-14).13:07
Trixar_za<313:07
not_found_droidI am getting my tweaking fix with android13:07
Kilosi tried to open the myunity thing and it shows in the menu onna left for 10 secs then disappears13:08
Kilosall i wanna do is increase font sixe throughout13:09
Kilosused to be in system13:09
Kilosappearance i think13:09
Trixar_zaRun it in terminal and see if an error pops up13:09
Kilosok13:10
Kilosnope just goes back to prompt13:10
Trixar_zaWeird13:11
Trixar_zaDoes it have a -debug package?13:11
Kiloslol what is supposed to open13:11
Kilosi even got synaptic will go see13:12
Kilosnope13:13
KilosMaaz, google how to use myunity in ubuntu 12.0413:14
MaazKilos: "Install MyUnity 3.0 on Ubuntu 12.04/11.10/11.04 (New Release ..." http://www.noobslab.com/2012/02/install-myunity-30-on-ubuntu.html :: "MyUnity 3.0 Supports Ubuntu 12.04 and Themes - Softpedia" http://news.softpedia.com/news/MyUnity-3-0-Supports-Ubuntu-12-04-and-Themes-255220.shtml :: "Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Features Unity Configuration Tool MyUnity ..." http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-12-04-LTS-Features-Unity-Configuration-Tool-23913:14
magespawnKilos sorry for long wait. no i only have cat513:16
Kilosnp magespawn who knows what will happen without trying the mod hey?13:16
Trixar_zaFunny enough, I remember that Ubuntu tended to fix itself after a restart13:17
magespawnindeed and he may be on a cable modem which might affect it. or it could just be a hoax/joke?13:17
Kiloslol ill try a resatart13:18
Trixar_zaMind you, I had a very limited understand how how Ubuntu worked. Even after understanding SliTaz and how it works, I still find Debian and Ubuntu's design mysterious13:18
Kilosbbl13:18
Trixar_zaNot sure if that's a good or bad thing13:18
Kiloslol13:18
Kiloscosts nothing to try except time13:18
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Trixar_zawb Kilos13:57
Kilosty Trixar_za i found them font settings13:58
Kilosand that myunity thing was underneeth another open window13:59
Kilosunderneath13:59
Kilosoh my13:59
Trixar_zaThe more I read about Linus Torvalds, the more I like him14:04
magespawni am out of here, see you all later14:21
Trixar_zaAnd I guess myunity is a single process program then14:22
Kiloswell it changed my font sizes which was all i needed at the mo14:37
Kilosgot tired of ctrl + everywhere14:37
superflyTrixar_za: unlike RMS, Torvalds is very pragmatic14:42
superflyopinionated, but pragmatic14:43
Trixar_zaWhat he has to say about RMS is also classic14:43
Trixar_zaBut I would probably get along more with Torvalds than RMS14:44
Trixar_zaI'm a self-confessed bastard myself14:44
* nlsthzn sent a message to the mailing list... but it doesn't seem to have gone through :/15:10
Kilosthe one about monthly reports nlsthzn 15:11
nlsthznah I guess it did go through :p15:12
nlsthznthanks uncle Kilos 15:13
Kiloshehe15:13
Kilosyw laddy15:13
Kilospeeps are very slack until you push on their buttons personally15:14
* nlsthzn won't know who has buttons that need pusing :p15:14
Kilosthey think later and then when later comes they have already forgotten what was supposed to be done later15:14
nlsthznpushing15:14
Kiloswhat do you still need nlsthzn ?15:15
nlsthznjust that anything that has happened the last month to be captured in the wiki :p15:15
nlsthznor someone to tell me and give links etc. and I or someone else can add them :15:15
Kilosi dont think anything has happened 15:16
Kilosbeen very quiet since last meeting15:16
Kilosmake an appeal to the lists for guys to mail you info and links15:17
Kilosnot leave for tomorrow15:17
Kilosdomani never comes15:18
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Kiloswb Trix[a]r_za 15:43
KilosMaaz, coffee on16:43
* Maaz puts the kettle on16:43
Kilosyou home superfly ?16:43
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!16:47
KilosMaaz, ty16:47
MaazYou are welcome Kilos16:47
superflyKilos: sortof around16:49
Kilosjust checking you home sir16:49
superflybeen "home" all week16:52
Kilosoh my. you sick?16:53
superflyno, just looking after the family17:03
magespawnevening all17:17
superflyhi magespawn17:27
Kiloshmmm hiya mae17:27
Kilosmagespawn, 17:27
magespawnhey superfly17:28
magespawnHi Kilos17:28
magespawnwhats up?17:30
Kiloswinning slowly17:30
Kilosgetting unified17:31
Kiloswhats news your side17:31
magespawnnot much, not unified though17:31
magespawnwhat is the command to find out the version of ubuntu again?17:32
Kiloslol17:32
Kilos?17:32
Kilosask maaz17:32
magespawnMaaz command to find version of ubuntu17:33
Maazmagespawn: Huh?17:33
KilosMaaz, google how to check what release of ubuntu you are using17:33
MaazKilos: "CheckingYourUbuntuVersion - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckingYourUbuntuVersion :: "How to Tell What Version of Ubuntu You Are Running - How-To Geek" http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/how-to-tell-what-version-of-ubuntu-you-are-running/ :: "Find which Ubuntu Linux Version you are running | Ubuntu Geek" http://www.ubuntugeek.com/find-which-ubuntu-linux-version-you-are-running.html :: "Check 17:33
Kiloscan you browse magespawn 17:33
magespawnlol suppose I should google 17:33
magespawnyup 17:33
magespawnbrb17:33
Kilos^^^17:33
Kiloshttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckingYourUbuntuVersion17:33
Kiloscharlvn_, where you17:34
magespawnlsb_release -a17:35
Kilosnuvolari, dis naweek jy mag kom gesels17:35
magespawnthat is the command, irks me when I forget stuff17:36
Kiloslol17:36
magespawn10.04 on a resurrected laptop17:36
Kilosthats good17:36
Kilosthe one with cracked screen?17:36
magespawnno this is another one'17:38
Kilosah17:38
Kiloswhat did you have to resurrect?17:38
magespawnowner was told it was broken beyond repair17:38
Kiloslol17:38
magespawncleaned the heat sink and hey presto17:38
Kiloswell done17:38
magespawnvery old though has 20 gig harddrive17:39
Kiloscpu overheating?17:39
magespawnbut everything works17:39
magespawnyes it was17:39
Kilos20g is good for lotsa peeps17:39
magespawnyes it is for me.17:39
Kiloslappy drives are expensive17:39
Kilosbetter for them to get an external if they need more place17:40
magespawnand on something this old not worth replacing17:40
Kiloswhat specs17:40
Kilosbut they most likely want winsucks17:40
magespawnthe owner went and got a new one, gave me the old one, installed 10.4 as it only has 512 ram17:41
Kilosah17:41
magespawnwin was running slow17:41
Kiloscpu speed?17:41
magespawnnot sure hold on17:41
Kilosnow i forgot how to ask for that17:42
superflycat /proc/cpuinfo i think17:42
magespawnintel celeron 1.5ghz17:42
magespawnsingle core17:43
Kilosthe fly told me once but now its somewhere on the maverick drive or external17:43
Kilosoh thats slow17:43
Kilosbut good for 10.0417:43
magespawnyes but it is fine for things like this, i also use in the shop to connect to the server17:43
Kilosbut more ram will be good17:43
magespawni was just amused the other computer shop got it so wrong17:44
Kilosi found most releases like 640m ram to run lekker17:44
magespawndo not think I have any laptop ram17:44
superflymagespawn: they only know windows, what do you expect?17:44
Kilosha ha ha17:44
magespawnbut this was a hardware problem they told the owner that something had melted and could not be replaced17:45
Kiloswindows doesnt work, pc stuffed17:45
Kilosthey were just covering their ignorance17:45
Kilosmost likely didnt even open it17:46
Kilosthis launcher thing on the left is same as adding apps to top panel with gnome17:47
Kilosi could live with unity i think17:48
superflyno Kilos, noooo!!!!!17:48
Kiloslol17:48
superfly*sob* I think we've lost him17:48
Kiloswhat superfly must i go kde?17:48
Kilosor add cinnamon17:49
superflyKilos: stick to Unity :-) I was joking with you17:49
Kiloswhew17:49
* Kilos wipes brow17:49
superflyof course I don't know Unity, so I can't help you, whereas if you used KDE, I would be able to17:50
Kilosif its the future then one must go with the flow or go kde17:50
superflybut stick to one thing, don't run between them17:50
Kilosha ha ha17:50
zerefKilos: gnome-shell?17:51
Kilosbut installing kubuntu-desktop isnt same as a full kubuntu install17:51
superflynot quite17:51
Kiloszeref, unity isnt that bad if you have data to google how to do this or that17:51
superflymostly17:51
Kilosswitching desktops is now 2 clicks not just one anymore17:52
Kilosso one could lose time over the gnome way17:52
Kilossuperfly, what do the weed and crash kid use, do you know?17:53
Kilossomeone must enjoy unity17:53
Kilosnlsthzn, you use unity hey?17:54
superflyKilos: as far as I know, tumbleweed uses Gnome Shell and cocooncrash uses KDE17:55
Kilosand old langjan seems to be getting good with unity17:55
Kilosoh my goodness17:55
zerefKilos: i use short-cuts + i'm using the keyboard more often, which is far quicker for me17:55
* tumbleweed uses gnome fallback + xmonad. I'm not a shell fan17:55
tumbleweedI do quite like unity, though17:55
Kilostumbleweed, you a gnome follower?17:56
Kilosunity isnt bad, just a new learning curve17:56
nlsthznKilos, I have a unity install17:57
tumbleweedKilos: not really17:57
Kilosoh tumbleweed to open other terminals on other desktops you do ctrl +alt +t17:57
tumbleweedit's quite likely to be different on each desktop17:58
tumbleweede.g. for me, alt-shift-enter17:58
Kilosi like to open one terminal on xchat workspace and minimised terminal for my ibid17:58
superflyctrl+shift+n17:58
tumbleweedctrl-alt-t is a gnome thing17:58
Kilosoh17:58
Kiloswhew17:59
Kilosisnt unity a gnome spinoff17:59
Kilosim sure ive seen lotsa gnome stuff17:59
superflyKilos: Unity is a desktop shell, like Gnome Shell or Plasma (KDE)18:00
Kilosok18:01
Kilosnlsthzn, you happy with unity?18:02
magespawni like to try lots of different ones, and I am still using win a fair amount18:08
Kilosmagespawn, there another sneeky thing with win to add free ram18:08
Kilosyo Banlam 18:08
nlsthznKilos, I love the idea... but there seems to be some major buginess for me at least still making it a trying experience18:09
Kilosoh did you try it18:09
Kilosfrom the cd fix video18:09
Kilosoh sorry nlsthzn thought it was mage answering18:10
nlsthznno worries :)18:10
Kilosnlsthzn, it gets better as you find how to do things18:11
nlsthznbeen using it since 11.04 uncle Kilos... I know the ins and outs... but when it doesn't do what it is supposed to I want to throw my PC out the window :)18:11
Kiloslol18:11
Kilosmaybe you expect a bit much18:12
Kilosyou guys are to clever and expect funny things from a pc18:12
Kilosi wish they wouldnt make gwibber part on default install18:13
nlsthznnope... just what it is supposed to do... if it did it 10 minuites ago.. why not now :p18:14
nlsthzngwibber only real twitter app for gnome... but it isn't to great I agree18:14
Kilosi use twitter in pidgin18:14
Kilosdidnt you see todays tweet18:15
Kilossuperfly, all good with family, hows mrs_fly recovering18:16
Kilos?18:16
superflyKilos: getting there18:17
Kilostakes time18:17
Kilosbut they also enjoy being nursed18:17
nlsthznI didn't know that pidgin could do that... nice :)18:17
Kilospidgin rocks nlsthzn 18:18
nlsthznisn't to shabby18:19
Kilossaw a link where they say twitter doesnt work in 12.04 pidgin but mine is working18:19
Kilosjust did a deja-dup backup from maverick and it all works18:20
Kilosi also still use evolution not thunderbird18:20
Kilosnever lost one mail18:21
Kilosand now my usb hub isnt messing around with the 3g modem like on vodacom18:23
Kilos8ta works kiff here18:23
Kilosfrom the same tower18:23
smilebye! :D18:30
smile:)18:30
Kilossleep tight smile 18:30
smilethanks Kilos :)18:31
smileyou too18:31
smileand charlvn too :p18:31
Kilosty18:31
Kilosyo Tonberry tonberry352_ 18:34
Kilosoh my goodness18:36
Kilosmagespawn, you safe i see18:36
Kilosmore than half net split18:36
magespawnwow there goes Maaz18:37
magespawnyup still here Kilos18:37
Kiloshow can qp be affected by the netsplit when she be installed here onna pc18:37
KilosMaaz, wb18:37
MaazThank you so much Kilos my good good friend18:37
KilosWB everyone18:38
Kilosexactly half split18:38
Kilostumbleweed, can you tell me how come my bot got affected by this last netsplit when its installed here on my pc?18:40
Kilosi can understand maaz cause he is in germany18:40
tumbleweedKilos: it connected to a different server to you18:40
tumbleweedMaaz: dig irc.freenode.net18:41
Maaztumbleweed: Records: 193.219.128.49, 38.229.70.20, 50.22.136.18, 86.65.39.15, 130.239.18.172, 140.211.167.98 and 140.211.167.9918:41
Kilosoh a freenode server?18:41
tumbleweedwhich one you connect to would be random18:41
Kilosok ty that explains it18:41
magespawnyou can specify can't you?18:45
Kilosi dunno how because xchat often has different servers18:46
Kilosbut random is good if the one you choose dies18:46
Kilosbut would be nice to make QP use same as my xchat18:47
Kilosthen at least bot wont split without you18:47
Kilosmagespawn, did you get that bit about free ram on winsucks18:48
magespawntumbleweed can you specify the server the ibid connects to?18:48
magespawnyes i did but did not try it. no time today18:48
Kilosoh ok would be interesting too seeing as you do lots of ms stuff18:49
magespawnwill give it a go when I can. do not see why it should only work in win18:50
Kilosthe command isnt a linux one18:50
Kilosbut the idea is good if one can convert it to linux18:50
Kiloschowed lotsa data trhem youtube vids18:51
Kilosmrs_fly, wb18:51
Kiloshaha the fly woke up his server18:52
magespawnyeah only watch them at the shop18:52
KilosSmilyBorg_l, wassup18:52
Kilosits dark time18:52
Kilosuncapped is really the answer hey magespawn 18:53
magespawnftw18:53
Kilosimagine running your shop on broadband costs18:53
Kilosmind you 8ta got good deals18:53
magespawnwould just be too slow when the system gets loaded18:53
magespawn3g does not handle mutiple computers very well18:54
Kiloswhat speed you getting with mweb?18:54
magespawn1meg18:54
Kilosmaybe a good 3g router18:54
Kilosah a meg is way past sa's broadband18:54
magespawncan use it as a fallover18:55
Kilosim happy when i hit 350 k18:55
magespawnsorry 1Mbps18:55
Kilosi got that18:55
Kilos8ta hit 325kB/s here today but mostly around 125 kB/s18:56
magespawnso the peak for download is about 100Kbps but it is more stable under load than 3g18:56
Kilosyeah18:56
Kiloswonder where nuvolari might be18:57
Kilostoo dark for heli and beach18:58
Kilosslepp tight magespawn and all others. see you tomorrow18:59
Kilossleep as well18:59
tumbleweedmagespawn: yes19:12
magespawnthat would be a way for kilos to do it19:12
magespawngood night all.19:29
charlvngood evening all21:49
charlvnanyone still awake?21:49

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