[01:05] <yooozy> hi all
[01:06] <yooozy> I'm thinking about switching to 64 bit version, I got i5  what do you think?
[01:08] <DracoDanLRPC> why wouldn't you?
[01:08] <DracoDanLRPC> there are very few reasons not to
[01:08] <Daekdroom> Higher RAM usage is one of them.
[01:08] <Daekdroom> Software incompatibility is the other one.
[01:09] <Daekdroom> None of them is bad for most people, so...
[01:09] <DracoDanLRPC> RAM is cheap as dirt
[01:09] <DracoDanLRPC> and... yeah
[01:09] <Daekdroom> I should totally buy more RAM.
[01:10] <Daekdroom> 4GiB isn't cutting it for me.
[01:10] <Daekdroom> But I need new speakers too because these are starting to fail.
[01:10] <DracoDanLRPC> heh, I just checked newegg, for $160 you can have 32GB
[01:10] <yooozy> 4 Gib is not enough?!!
[01:10] <bjsnider> 4gb isn't cutting it?
[01:11] <DracoDanLRPC> for $160 you can have 32GB
[01:11] <Daekdroom> Whenever it starts using SWAP (only God knows why), I feel like I'm on Windows XP with 64MiB.
[01:11] <bjsnider> change the swappiness setting down to 10
[01:11] <Daekdroom> It only starts using swap when I'm out of RAM
[01:11]  * DracoDanLRPC wants swap to go away
[01:12] <bjsnider> DracoDanLRPC, don't mount it
[01:12] <DracoDanLRPC> the kernel should just lie to the apps "yep, you are in swap now"
[01:12] <bjsnider> you don't have to mount a swap file
[01:12] <DracoDanLRPC> there are still software issues sometimes
[01:12] <yooozy> 4GIB is enough as far as I know, you hardly ever go on swap
[01:12] <DracoDanLRPC> things like Oracle getting all pissy without swap
[01:12] <Daekdroom> My issues are mostly memory leaks involving Firefox, or attempting to run Virtual Machines.
[01:13] <Daekdroom> Compiz/Unity/X.org like to memory leak too.
[01:13] <bjsnider> oracle what?
[01:13] <bjsnider> oracle is a company, not software
[01:13] <arand> Are the issues with swap on-file and suspend still issueful?
[01:14] <bjsnider> good word, issueful
[01:14] <bjsnider> if it doesn't exist, it should
[01:14] <DracoDanLRPC> RDBMS
[01:14] <yooozy> he's talking about virtualbox
[01:14] <DracoDanLRPC> or at least I'm told, I'm not a DBA but I support the systems for the DBAs
[01:16] <yooozy> DBA? what is that?
[01:21] <yooozy> all I want from 64-bit is better performance, as Phoronix' benchmark test proves it
[01:21] <Daekdroom> The better performance shows up in specific workloads, but yeah, you'll have it.
[01:24] <yooozy> I don't know... I think I'll wait few months..........
[01:25] <yooozy> 64 bit still have some issues
[07:20] <ripps> Okay, Ubuntu is broken, can't start xserver
[07:20] <ripps> apparently it's because the nvidia-driver is broken because there is no xorg-video-abi-12
[07:21] <ripps> gt240+gddr5 doesn't work with nouveau, so i need the blob driver for working linux
[07:23] <ripps> why can't i file bugs from terminal? ubuntu-bug just wants to open a browser. Something difficult to do when you can't start X
[07:48] <trijntje> apport-cli
[08:26] <Walther> Has anyone else had problems with firefox on qq?
[08:27] <Walther> For me, it hangs pretty much every time I click on something, and comes back alive in ~10s
[08:29] <Stanley00> Walther: not in my case :D
[08:30] <Walther> almost every 5s I get a hang that lasts for 10-20s
[08:30] <Walther> pretty annoying, as you might guess
[08:31] <bekks> Works fine here too.
[12:03] <jakubo> hi, how can i turn off the search option in nautilus to be activated on type?
[12:05] <jakubo> hi, how can i get rid of the search thing in nautilus? i liked the old way. this one is too slow
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:26] <jakubo> hi
[12:40] <jakubo> or maybe at least: will i be able to choose nautilus to behave either way?
[12:42] <jakubo> anyway, please keep it simpler... if i wanted to make a full search id want to click for it...
[12:46] <jakubo> most important question should be how would i want the system to behave when i'm in a hurry
[12:46] <jakubo> and when im looking for some file with "mz.." for name but wouldnt know the exact thing id be faster to type "n" and go back in the unchanged list
[12:47] <jakubo> as much for my feedback...
[14:45] <thomas001> hello, are there any non-PAE kernel variants available in quantal or are they dropped for this release?
[14:48] <penguin42> thomas001: I think they should still be there but not default?
[14:49] <penguin42> thomas001: packages.ubuntu.com still shows a linux-image-generic
[14:49] <penguin42> oh, hmm
[14:49] <thomas001> penguin42, which has PAE enabled, i am running it
[14:49] <penguin42> thomas001: hmm that would be a pain for some of my machines; I tended to start with the xubuntu installs that were still non-pae
[14:51] <thomas001> penguin42, hmm why? i only need a non-pae kernel because of intel's linux drivers
[14:51] <penguin42> thomas001: I've got some old machines
[14:51] <thomas001> with no pae capabilities?
[14:51] <penguin42> nod
[14:53] <thomas001> will then a pae enabled kernel not work or will pae be simply disabled on your hardware?
[14:53] <penguin42> it won't work
[14:57] <thomas001> http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/linux-image-generic-pae looks like PAE is now for all
[14:59] <penguin42> thomas001: Yeh, in Precise it always went with PAE by default on installation (except for Xubuntu), but still had the other package
[14:59] <penguin42> hmph, that's going to make the next upgrade to those machines fun; I guess I can leave them at precise for a few years and by then they might be dead
[15:00] <thomas001> or you compile the kernel your old machines ;)
[15:01] <penguin42> yep
[17:53]  * cwillu mutters something about just using a 64bit kernel
[17:55] <penguin42> cwillu: I don't think there are 64bit machines that don't support PAE; I mean old machines; e.g. early P4, Athlons etc
[18:27] <cwillu> I meant that if you have a 64bit machine, running a 32bit kernel with pae is mildly idiotic :p
[18:28] <Daekdroom> I think the whole issue is about having a machine that is 32-bit with no PAE.
[18:29] <cwillu> Daekdroom, which is point:
[18:29] <cwillu> er, my point
[18:30] <cwillu> anything remotely modern will be 64bit, so we should be using a 64bit kernel even on 32-bit userspace, except when the processor really is 32-bit, in which case, pae shouldn't be forced
[18:33] <Daekdroom> That is exactly penguin42's point too.
[18:34] <Daekdroom> If they are complaining about machines that do not have PAE, then they obviously do not have 64-bit, so using a 64bit kernel is out of question.
[18:34] <Daekdroom> (^ poorly written sentence, sorry)
[18:37] <penguin42> nod
[18:37] <penguin42> (Unfortunately I do also have to run a machine in 32bit for work; and it's quite happily 64bit capable - but some commercial software still isn't multiarch happy yet)
[18:39] <cwillu> something with a kernel module?
[18:40] <cwillu> otherwise it really really shouldn't care (and I believe it'd be considered a kernel bug if it did)
[18:40] <penguin42> cwillu: No, just screwups with library placements and depends on stuff
[18:40] <cwillu> you do not need to have any 64bit userspace at all to use  a 64bit kernel
[18:40] <penguin42> cwillu: True, but that's a weird mix which I don't think any distro supports - I've done it in the past
[18:40] <cwillu> i.e., the filesystem is identical
[18:41] <penguin42> and I hate to think what dkim modules would make of it
 something with a kernel module? :p
[18:42] <penguin42> well yes :-)
[18:43] <penguin42> cwillu: That was a comment in a different context of course!
[18:57] <litropy> hi, all. I installed build-essential and automake, but I still don't have autogen.sh
[18:58] <penguin42> I think that's generated isn't it?
[18:58] <penguin42> hmm no
[18:58] <litropy> penguin42, I think you may be right
[18:58] <litropy> and now I
[18:59] <litropy> 'm very confused
[18:59] <penguin42> litropy: go back a step, what are you trying to do
[18:59] <litropy> I'm trying to install the driver for my usb wifi card
[18:59] <litropy> I downloaded the wireless-testing git tree
[19:00] <litropy> And ... theres no autogen.sh
[19:00] <penguin42> why were you expecting one?
[19:02] <litropy> well, strangely many guides say to go into the folder and run autogen.sh, however all I have is a Makefile and a Kconfig
[19:02] <litropy> ... aside from headers and such
[19:02] <litropy> .c's and .h's
[19:03] <litropy> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/carl9170
[19:03] <litropy> That's the dev page for the driver I need
[19:03] <litropy> I did download and move the correct firmware (.fw) to /lib/firmware
[19:04] <penguin42> so just checking, you did try the 'additional drivers'/jockey stuff to see if there was a driver first didn't you?
[19:06] <litropy> penguin42, yes.
[19:07] <litropy> penguin42, and unfortunately, I need the bleeding edge driver from the git tree.
[19:08] <penguin42> looking at that link it looks like a full kernel tree, not just a driver source
[19:11] <penguin42> litropy: Can you make sure you file a bug with that hardware as not working, and point to where that code is
[19:12] <litropy> penguin42, it is. But it's already downloaded and I have the whole directory at ~/
[19:12] <litropy> penguin42, I will once I have a better understanding of my problem.
[19:13] <penguin42> litropy: Well if it's a full kernel tree then your choices are  either to build yourself a custom kernel build from it, or to try and extract the driver of interest and see if it'll build as a module on the ubuntu kernel
[19:16] <litropy> penguin42, I'm going for the latter. supposedly, once this is all done, I can $sudo modprobe carl9170 and have the card in ifconfig/Network
[19:17] <penguin42> litropy: Are you sure that's not in the standard kernel?
[19:18] <penguin42> litropy: I have a /lib/modules/3.5.0-5-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/carl9170/carl9170.ko    or is it just you need the bleeding edge version?
[19:24] <litropy> penguin42, I've got to get back to you - something just came up.
[21:55] <ozpy> Hello. I run ubuntu 12.10. Unity does not launch when I initiate the system. I have to go to terminal and run it from there
[21:55] <ozpy> how to fix it?
[21:57] <trism> ozpy: does lightdm start at all or does it just fail when you try to login?
[22:04] <ozpy> trism, I just see the desktop. I have to Alt+Ctrl+F2
[22:05] <ozpy> > Unity
[22:05] <ozpy> To get it running
[22:06] <trism> ozpy: can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors ?
[22:09] <ozpy> How can I access that file?
[22:09] <ozpy> trism, I went to terminal and typed that but nothing
[22:10] <trism> ozpy: gedit ~/.xsession-errors; or use pastebinit
[22:16] <ozpy> trism, one sec
[22:32] <ozpy> trism, I got a phone call from a relative and need to leave. Will come back on monday. Thanks for helping me
[22:33] <trism> ozpy: no problem, you're welcome