| yooozy | hi all | 01:05 |
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| yooozy | I'm thinking about switching to 64 bit version, I got i5 what do you think? | 01:06 |
| DracoDanLRPC | why wouldn't you? | 01:08 |
| DracoDanLRPC | there are very few reasons not to | 01:08 |
| Daekdroom | Higher RAM usage is one of them. | 01:08 |
| Daekdroom | Software incompatibility is the other one. | 01:08 |
| Daekdroom | None of them is bad for most people, so... | 01:09 |
| DracoDanLRPC | RAM is cheap as dirt | 01:09 |
| DracoDanLRPC | and... yeah | 01:09 |
| Daekdroom | I should totally buy more RAM. | 01:09 |
| Daekdroom | 4GiB isn't cutting it for me. | 01:10 |
| Daekdroom | But I need new speakers too because these are starting to fail. | 01:10 |
| DracoDanLRPC | heh, I just checked newegg, for $160 you can have 32GB | 01:10 |
| yooozy | 4 Gib is not enough?!! | 01:10 |
| bjsnider | 4gb isn't cutting it? | 01:10 |
| DracoDanLRPC | for $160 you can have 32GB | 01:11 |
| Daekdroom | Whenever it starts using SWAP (only God knows why), I feel like I'm on Windows XP with 64MiB. | 01:11 |
| bjsnider | change the swappiness setting down to 10 | 01:11 |
| Daekdroom | It only starts using swap when I'm out of RAM | 01:11 |
| * DracoDanLRPC wants swap to go away | 01:11 | |
| bjsnider | DracoDanLRPC, don't mount it | 01:12 |
| DracoDanLRPC | the kernel should just lie to the apps "yep, you are in swap now" | 01:12 |
| bjsnider | you don't have to mount a swap file | 01:12 |
| DracoDanLRPC | there are still software issues sometimes | 01:12 |
| yooozy | 4GIB is enough as far as I know, you hardly ever go on swap | 01:12 |
| DracoDanLRPC | things like Oracle getting all pissy without swap | 01:12 |
| Daekdroom | My issues are mostly memory leaks involving Firefox, or attempting to run Virtual Machines. | 01:12 |
| Daekdroom | Compiz/Unity/X.org like to memory leak too. | 01:13 |
| bjsnider | oracle what? | 01:13 |
| bjsnider | oracle is a company, not software | 01:13 |
| arand | Are the issues with swap on-file and suspend still issueful? | 01:13 |
| bjsnider | good word, issueful | 01:14 |
| bjsnider | if it doesn't exist, it should | 01:14 |
| DracoDanLRPC | RDBMS | 01:14 |
| yooozy | he's talking about virtualbox | 01:14 |
| DracoDanLRPC | or at least I'm told, I'm not a DBA but I support the systems for the DBAs | 01:14 |
| yooozy | DBA? what is that? | 01:16 |
| yooozy | all I want from 64-bit is better performance, as Phoronix' benchmark test proves it | 01:21 |
| Daekdroom | The better performance shows up in specific workloads, but yeah, you'll have it. | 01:21 |
| yooozy | I don't know... I think I'll wait few months.......... | 01:24 |
| yooozy | 64 bit still have some issues | 01:25 |
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| ripps | Okay, Ubuntu is broken, can't start xserver | 07:20 |
| ripps | apparently it's because the nvidia-driver is broken because there is no xorg-video-abi-12 | 07:20 |
| ripps | gt240+gddr5 doesn't work with nouveau, so i need the blob driver for working linux | 07:21 |
| ripps | why can't i file bugs from terminal? ubuntu-bug just wants to open a browser. Something difficult to do when you can't start X | 07:23 |
| trijntje | apport-cli | 07:48 |
| Walther | Has anyone else had problems with firefox on qq? | 08:26 |
| Walther | For me, it hangs pretty much every time I click on something, and comes back alive in ~10s | 08:27 |
| Stanley00 | Walther: not in my case :D | 08:29 |
| Walther | almost every 5s I get a hang that lasts for 10-20s | 08:30 |
| Walther | pretty annoying, as you might guess | 08:30 |
| bekks | Works fine here too. | 08:31 |
| jakubo | hi, how can i turn off the search option in nautilus to be activated on type? | 12:03 |
| jakubo | hi, how can i get rid of the search thing in nautilus? i liked the old way. this one is too slow | 12:05 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:24 |
| jakubo | hi | 12:26 |
| jakubo | or maybe at least: will i be able to choose nautilus to behave either way? | 12:40 |
| jakubo | anyway, please keep it simpler... if i wanted to make a full search id want to click for it... | 12:42 |
| jakubo | most important question should be how would i want the system to behave when i'm in a hurry | 12:46 |
| jakubo | and when im looking for some file with "mz.." for name but wouldnt know the exact thing id be faster to type "n" and go back in the unchanged list | 12:46 |
| jakubo | as much for my feedback... | 12:47 |
| thomas001 | hello, are there any non-PAE kernel variants available in quantal or are they dropped for this release? | 14:45 |
| penguin42 | thomas001: I think they should still be there but not default? | 14:48 |
| penguin42 | thomas001: packages.ubuntu.com still shows a linux-image-generic | 14:49 |
| penguin42 | oh, hmm | 14:49 |
| thomas001 | penguin42, which has PAE enabled, i am running it | 14:49 |
| penguin42 | thomas001: hmm that would be a pain for some of my machines; I tended to start with the xubuntu installs that were still non-pae | 14:49 |
| thomas001 | penguin42, hmm why? i only need a non-pae kernel because of intel's linux drivers | 14:51 |
| penguin42 | thomas001: I've got some old machines | 14:51 |
| thomas001 | with no pae capabilities? | 14:51 |
| penguin42 | nod | 14:51 |
| thomas001 | will then a pae enabled kernel not work or will pae be simply disabled on your hardware? | 14:53 |
| penguin42 | it won't work | 14:53 |
| thomas001 | http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/linux-image-generic-pae looks like PAE is now for all | 14:57 |
| penguin42 | thomas001: Yeh, in Precise it always went with PAE by default on installation (except for Xubuntu), but still had the other package | 14:59 |
| penguin42 | hmph, that's going to make the next upgrade to those machines fun; I guess I can leave them at precise for a few years and by then they might be dead | 14:59 |
| thomas001 | or you compile the kernel your old machines ;) | 15:00 |
| penguin42 | yep | 15:01 |
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| * cwillu mutters something about just using a 64bit kernel | 17:53 | |
| penguin42 | cwillu: I don't think there are 64bit machines that don't support PAE; I mean old machines; e.g. early P4, Athlons etc | 17:55 |
| cwillu | I meant that if you have a 64bit machine, running a 32bit kernel with pae is mildly idiotic :p | 18:27 |
| Daekdroom | I think the whole issue is about having a machine that is 32-bit with no PAE. | 18:28 |
| cwillu | Daekdroom, which is point: | 18:29 |
| cwillu | er, my point | 18:29 |
| cwillu | anything remotely modern will be 64bit, so we should be using a 64bit kernel even on 32-bit userspace, except when the processor really is 32-bit, in which case, pae shouldn't be forced | 18:30 |
| Daekdroom | That is exactly penguin42's point too. | 18:33 |
| Daekdroom | If they are complaining about machines that do not have PAE, then they obviously do not have 64-bit, so using a 64bit kernel is out of question. | 18:34 |
| Daekdroom | (^ poorly written sentence, sorry) | 18:34 |
| penguin42 | nod | 18:37 |
| penguin42 | (Unfortunately I do also have to run a machine in 32bit for work; and it's quite happily 64bit capable - but some commercial software still isn't multiarch happy yet) | 18:37 |
| cwillu | something with a kernel module? | 18:39 |
| cwillu | otherwise it really really shouldn't care (and I believe it'd be considered a kernel bug if it did) | 18:40 |
| penguin42 | cwillu: No, just screwups with library placements and depends on stuff | 18:40 |
| cwillu | you do not need to have any 64bit userspace at all to use a 64bit kernel | 18:40 |
| penguin42 | cwillu: True, but that's a weird mix which I don't think any distro supports - I've done it in the past | 18:40 |
| cwillu | i.e., the filesystem is identical | 18:40 |
| penguin42 | and I hate to think what dkim modules would make of it | 18:41 |
| cwillu | <cwillu> something with a kernel module? :p | 18:41 |
| penguin42 | well yes :-) | 18:42 |
| penguin42 | cwillu: That was a comment in a different context of course! | 18:43 |
| litropy | hi, all. I installed build-essential and automake, but I still don't have autogen.sh | 18:57 |
| penguin42 | I think that's generated isn't it? | 18:58 |
| penguin42 | hmm no | 18:58 |
| litropy | penguin42, I think you may be right | 18:58 |
| litropy | and now I | 18:58 |
| litropy | 'm very confused | 18:59 |
| penguin42 | litropy: go back a step, what are you trying to do | 18:59 |
| litropy | I'm trying to install the driver for my usb wifi card | 18:59 |
| litropy | I downloaded the wireless-testing git tree | 18:59 |
| litropy | And ... theres no autogen.sh | 19:00 |
| penguin42 | why were you expecting one? | 19:00 |
| litropy | well, strangely many guides say to go into the folder and run autogen.sh, however all I have is a Makefile and a Kconfig | 19:02 |
| litropy | ... aside from headers and such | 19:02 |
| litropy | .c's and .h's | 19:02 |
| litropy | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/carl9170 | 19:03 |
| litropy | That's the dev page for the driver I need | 19:03 |
| litropy | I did download and move the correct firmware (.fw) to /lib/firmware | 19:03 |
| penguin42 | so just checking, you did try the 'additional drivers'/jockey stuff to see if there was a driver first didn't you? | 19:04 |
| litropy | penguin42, yes. | 19:06 |
| litropy | penguin42, and unfortunately, I need the bleeding edge driver from the git tree. | 19:07 |
| penguin42 | looking at that link it looks like a full kernel tree, not just a driver source | 19:08 |
| penguin42 | litropy: Can you make sure you file a bug with that hardware as not working, and point to where that code is | 19:11 |
| litropy | penguin42, it is. But it's already downloaded and I have the whole directory at ~/ | 19:12 |
| litropy | penguin42, I will once I have a better understanding of my problem. | 19:12 |
| penguin42 | litropy: Well if it's a full kernel tree then your choices are either to build yourself a custom kernel build from it, or to try and extract the driver of interest and see if it'll build as a module on the ubuntu kernel | 19:13 |
| litropy | penguin42, I'm going for the latter. supposedly, once this is all done, I can $sudo modprobe carl9170 and have the card in ifconfig/Network | 19:16 |
| penguin42 | litropy: Are you sure that's not in the standard kernel? | 19:17 |
| penguin42 | litropy: I have a /lib/modules/3.5.0-5-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/carl9170/carl9170.ko or is it just you need the bleeding edge version? | 19:18 |
| litropy | penguin42, I've got to get back to you - something just came up. | 19:24 |
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| ozpy | Hello. I run ubuntu 12.10. Unity does not launch when I initiate the system. I have to go to terminal and run it from there | 21:55 |
| ozpy | how to fix it? | 21:55 |
| trism | ozpy: does lightdm start at all or does it just fail when you try to login? | 21:57 |
| ozpy | trism, I just see the desktop. I have to Alt+Ctrl+F2 | 22:04 |
| ozpy | > Unity | 22:05 |
| ozpy | To get it running | 22:05 |
| trism | ozpy: can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors ? | 22:06 |
| ozpy | How can I access that file? | 22:09 |
| ozpy | trism, I went to terminal and typed that but nothing | 22:09 |
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| trism | ozpy: gedit ~/.xsession-errors; or use pastebinit | 22:10 |
| ozpy | trism, one sec | 22:16 |
| ozpy | trism, I got a phone call from a relative and need to leave. Will come back on monday. Thanks for helping me | 22:32 |
| trism | ozpy: no problem, you're welcome | 22:33 |
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