[01:05] hi all [01:06] I'm thinking about switching to 64 bit version, I got i5 what do you think? [01:08] why wouldn't you? [01:08] there are very few reasons not to [01:08] Higher RAM usage is one of them. [01:08] Software incompatibility is the other one. [01:09] None of them is bad for most people, so... [01:09] RAM is cheap as dirt [01:09] and... yeah [01:09] I should totally buy more RAM. [01:10] 4GiB isn't cutting it for me. [01:10] But I need new speakers too because these are starting to fail. [01:10] heh, I just checked newegg, for $160 you can have 32GB [01:10] 4 Gib is not enough?!! [01:10] 4gb isn't cutting it? [01:11] for $160 you can have 32GB [01:11] Whenever it starts using SWAP (only God knows why), I feel like I'm on Windows XP with 64MiB. [01:11] change the swappiness setting down to 10 [01:11] It only starts using swap when I'm out of RAM [01:11] * DracoDanLRPC wants swap to go away [01:12] DracoDanLRPC, don't mount it [01:12] the kernel should just lie to the apps "yep, you are in swap now" [01:12] you don't have to mount a swap file [01:12] there are still software issues sometimes [01:12] 4GIB is enough as far as I know, you hardly ever go on swap [01:12] things like Oracle getting all pissy without swap [01:12] My issues are mostly memory leaks involving Firefox, or attempting to run Virtual Machines. [01:13] Compiz/Unity/X.org like to memory leak too. [01:13] oracle what? [01:13] oracle is a company, not software [01:13] Are the issues with swap on-file and suspend still issueful? [01:14] good word, issueful [01:14] if it doesn't exist, it should [01:14] RDBMS [01:14] he's talking about virtualbox [01:14] or at least I'm told, I'm not a DBA but I support the systems for the DBAs [01:16] DBA? what is that? [01:21] all I want from 64-bit is better performance, as Phoronix' benchmark test proves it [01:21] The better performance shows up in specific workloads, but yeah, you'll have it. [01:24] I don't know... I think I'll wait few months.......... [01:25] 64 bit still have some issues === samsul_ is now known as samsul [07:20] Okay, Ubuntu is broken, can't start xserver [07:20] apparently it's because the nvidia-driver is broken because there is no xorg-video-abi-12 [07:21] gt240+gddr5 doesn't work with nouveau, so i need the blob driver for working linux [07:23] why can't i file bugs from terminal? ubuntu-bug just wants to open a browser. Something difficult to do when you can't start X [07:48] apport-cli [08:26] Has anyone else had problems with firefox on qq? [08:27] For me, it hangs pretty much every time I click on something, and comes back alive in ~10s [08:29] Walther: not in my case :D [08:30] almost every 5s I get a hang that lasts for 10-20s [08:30] pretty annoying, as you might guess [08:31] Works fine here too. [12:03] hi, how can i turn off the search option in nautilus to be activated on type? [12:05] hi, how can i get rid of the search thing in nautilus? i liked the old way. this one is too slow [12:24] Hiyas all [12:26] hi [12:40] or maybe at least: will i be able to choose nautilus to behave either way? [12:42] anyway, please keep it simpler... if i wanted to make a full search id want to click for it... [12:46] most important question should be how would i want the system to behave when i'm in a hurry [12:46] and when im looking for some file with "mz.." for name but wouldnt know the exact thing id be faster to type "n" and go back in the unchanged list [12:47] as much for my feedback... [14:45] hello, are there any non-PAE kernel variants available in quantal or are they dropped for this release? [14:48] thomas001: I think they should still be there but not default? [14:49] thomas001: packages.ubuntu.com still shows a linux-image-generic [14:49] oh, hmm [14:49] penguin42, which has PAE enabled, i am running it [14:49] thomas001: hmm that would be a pain for some of my machines; I tended to start with the xubuntu installs that were still non-pae [14:51] penguin42, hmm why? i only need a non-pae kernel because of intel's linux drivers [14:51] thomas001: I've got some old machines [14:51] with no pae capabilities? [14:51] nod [14:53] will then a pae enabled kernel not work or will pae be simply disabled on your hardware? [14:53] it won't work [14:57] http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/linux-image-generic-pae looks like PAE is now for all [14:59] thomas001: Yeh, in Precise it always went with PAE by default on installation (except for Xubuntu), but still had the other package [14:59] hmph, that's going to make the next upgrade to those machines fun; I guess I can leave them at precise for a few years and by then they might be dead [15:00] or you compile the kernel your old machines ;) [15:01] yep === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:53] * cwillu mutters something about just using a 64bit kernel [17:55] cwillu: I don't think there are 64bit machines that don't support PAE; I mean old machines; e.g. early P4, Athlons etc [18:27] I meant that if you have a 64bit machine, running a 32bit kernel with pae is mildly idiotic :p [18:28] I think the whole issue is about having a machine that is 32-bit with no PAE. [18:29] Daekdroom, which is point: [18:29] er, my point [18:30] anything remotely modern will be 64bit, so we should be using a 64bit kernel even on 32-bit userspace, except when the processor really is 32-bit, in which case, pae shouldn't be forced [18:33] That is exactly penguin42's point too. [18:34] If they are complaining about machines that do not have PAE, then they obviously do not have 64-bit, so using a 64bit kernel is out of question. [18:34] (^ poorly written sentence, sorry) [18:37] nod [18:37] (Unfortunately I do also have to run a machine in 32bit for work; and it's quite happily 64bit capable - but some commercial software still isn't multiarch happy yet) [18:39] something with a kernel module? [18:40] otherwise it really really shouldn't care (and I believe it'd be considered a kernel bug if it did) [18:40] cwillu: No, just screwups with library placements and depends on stuff [18:40] you do not need to have any 64bit userspace at all to use a 64bit kernel [18:40] cwillu: True, but that's a weird mix which I don't think any distro supports - I've done it in the past [18:40] i.e., the filesystem is identical [18:41] and I hate to think what dkim modules would make of it [18:41] something with a kernel module? :p [18:42] well yes :-) [18:43] cwillu: That was a comment in a different context of course! [18:57] hi, all. I installed build-essential and automake, but I still don't have autogen.sh [18:58] I think that's generated isn't it? [18:58] hmm no [18:58] penguin42, I think you may be right [18:58] and now I [18:59] 'm very confused [18:59] litropy: go back a step, what are you trying to do [18:59] I'm trying to install the driver for my usb wifi card [18:59] I downloaded the wireless-testing git tree [19:00] And ... theres no autogen.sh [19:00] why were you expecting one? [19:02] well, strangely many guides say to go into the folder and run autogen.sh, however all I have is a Makefile and a Kconfig [19:02] ... aside from headers and such [19:02] .c's and .h's [19:03] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/carl9170 [19:03] That's the dev page for the driver I need [19:03] I did download and move the correct firmware (.fw) to /lib/firmware [19:04] so just checking, you did try the 'additional drivers'/jockey stuff to see if there was a driver first didn't you? [19:06] penguin42, yes. [19:07] penguin42, and unfortunately, I need the bleeding edge driver from the git tree. [19:08] looking at that link it looks like a full kernel tree, not just a driver source [19:11] litropy: Can you make sure you file a bug with that hardware as not working, and point to where that code is [19:12] penguin42, it is. But it's already downloaded and I have the whole directory at ~/ [19:12] penguin42, I will once I have a better understanding of my problem. [19:13] litropy: Well if it's a full kernel tree then your choices are either to build yourself a custom kernel build from it, or to try and extract the driver of interest and see if it'll build as a module on the ubuntu kernel [19:16] penguin42, I'm going for the latter. supposedly, once this is all done, I can $sudo modprobe carl9170 and have the card in ifconfig/Network [19:17] litropy: Are you sure that's not in the standard kernel? [19:18] litropy: I have a /lib/modules/3.5.0-5-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/carl9170/carl9170.ko or is it just you need the bleeding edge version? [19:24] penguin42, I've got to get back to you - something just came up. === len is now known as Guest50934 === jalcine is now known as Jacky === elleuca is now known as Guest51523 [21:55] Hello. I run ubuntu 12.10. Unity does not launch when I initiate the system. I have to go to terminal and run it from there [21:55] how to fix it? [21:57] ozpy: does lightdm start at all or does it just fail when you try to login? [22:04] trism, I just see the desktop. I have to Alt+Ctrl+F2 [22:05] > Unity [22:05] To get it running [22:06] ozpy: can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors ? [22:09] How can I access that file? [22:09] trism, I went to terminal and typed that but nothing === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [22:10] ozpy: gedit ~/.xsession-errors; or use pastebinit [22:16] trism, one sec [22:32] trism, I got a phone call from a relative and need to leave. Will come back on monday. Thanks for helping me [22:33] ozpy: no problem, you're welcome