[05:11] <Kilos> fp
[05:11] <Kilos> must surely be fp
[05:15] <Kilos> morning all
[05:15] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:15]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[05:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:20] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[06:00] <LelaOrca129> hi
[06:00] <LelaOrca129> I'm from Brasil
[06:01] <LelaOrca129> Pseudoescorpião http://lelaorca.blogspot.com
[07:59] <magespawn> morning all
[08:00] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[08:00] <Kilos> and others
[08:00] <magespawn> how the sheep Kilos?
[08:01] <Kilos> still alive and lame
[08:01] <Kilos> grrr
[08:01] <magespawn> can they recover from the toxin?
[08:01] <Kilos> shes also old so maybe the stress was too much
[08:02] <magespawn> does happen
[08:02] <Kilos> normally yes if you get it quick enough, but i missed the 4 ticks on her belly
[08:02] <Kilos> normally only around butt so didnt look further
[08:03] <magespawn> harsh and it is winter
[08:03] <Kilos> yeah
[09:17] <Mezenir> howdt
[09:17] <Mezenir> y
[09:18] <Kilos> hi mez
[09:18] <Kilos> grr
[09:18] <Kilos> Mezenir, 
[09:18] <Mezenir> howsit going ?
[09:19] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[09:19] <Kilos> magespawn, you here
[09:19] <Kilos> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso
[09:19] <Kilos> dd: opening `/dev/cdrom': No such file or directory
[09:19] <Mezenir> good thanks
[09:19] <magespawn> yes Kilos
[09:19] <Kilos> why i sukkel always to get the correct path
[09:19] <Mezenir> cdrom0
[09:19] <Mezenir> ?
[09:19] <Kilos> ah i try that
[09:21] <Kilos> nope
[09:21] <magespawn> what you trying to do Kilos?
[09:22] <Kilos> wanna make an iso of a cd
[09:22] <magespawn> using the command line or do you have a gui program?
[09:22] <Kilos> then put that iso on ubuntuone for ian to get
[09:23] <Kilos> im on unity but the way i did it with maverick not same
[09:24] <Kilos> the right click function doesnt give options other than eject
[09:25] <magespawn> hold brb
[09:26] <Kilos> Right-click the icon of the CD 
[09:26] <Kilos> Select "Copy Disc..."
[09:26] <Kilos> Alongside "Copy disc to:", change the drop-down to read "File image" 
[09:26] <Kilos> Click "Write"
[09:26] <Kilos> that doesnt work with unity
[09:27] <smile> http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:Smile4ever/Intel <= So far, is it okay? :p
[09:27] <smile> or are there spelling mistakes
[09:27] <smile> :p
[09:30] <Kilos> i go try with maverick
[09:35] <magespawn> hey Kilos any luck
[09:35] <magespawn> ?
[10:02] <magespawn> i am out of here, see you later Kilos
[10:21] <Kilos> hi guest
[10:21] <Kilos> Guest1031, 
[10:21] <Kilos> superfly, you got 5 mins please
[10:22] <Kilos> what is the path to my cdrom
[10:22] <Kilos> tried /dev/cdrom0
[10:22] <Kilos> and /media/cdrom0
[10:22] <Kilos> and both without the 0
[10:22] <Kilos> nlsthzn, hi there
[10:23] <nlsthzn> al
[10:23] <nlsthzn> alo
[10:23] <Kilos> lol
[10:23] <nlsthzn> I just sat down right now... was away
[10:23] <Kilos> tell me the path nlsthzn 
[10:24] <Kilos> how come i can never find the path to cdrom
[10:24] <nlsthzn> use nautilus to go to the CD-Rom then hit ctrl + L to see the paht
[10:27] <nlsthzn> Kilos, ^^
[10:27] <Kilos> ah its not cdrom
[10:27] <Kilos> its /media/g71-2omo67
[10:27] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn 
[10:28] <nlsthzn> np
[10:28] <nlsthzn> I don't know the "real" way to figure out these things in terminal but I have found some short-cuts for myself that work :p
[10:28] <Kilos> hehe
[10:30] <Kilos> No such file or directory
[10:30] <Kilos> lol
[10:31] <Kilos> with nautilus it shows a drive first the media then that number
[10:34] <Kilos> http://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/how-to-find-the-mount-point-device-name-of-your-cddvd-disc-drive-in-ubuntu/
[10:34] <Kilos> ill look what they say
[10:34] <nlsthzn> k
[10:36] <Kilos> oh my its /dev/sr0
[10:36] <Kilos> mount|grep ^'/dev' 
[10:37] <Kilos> No such file or directory
[10:37] <Kilos> sigh
[10:48] <nlsthzn> that is very odd uncle Kilos 
[10:48] <Kilos> yeah
[10:49] <Kilos> yet i can cd to /media/ and see it there
[10:50] <Kilos> once in i ls and get
[10:50] <Kilos> apt  G71-21OM067
[10:52] <Kilos> i wonder if the mount point is actually that long name or if it must be cdrom0 or sr0
[10:55] <Kilos> got it working via gui
[11:19] <charlvn> good afternoon
[11:19] <charlvn> hi Kilos, nlsthzn 
[11:19] <Kilos> hi Cantide charlvn 
[11:19] <charlvn> how's it going?
[11:19] <nlsthzn> hi charlvn 
[11:19] <Cantide> afternoon everyone \o/
[11:19] <charlvn> hi Cantide 
[11:20] <Kilos> bbnn going to unity
[11:40] <charlvn> wb Kilos 
[11:40] <charlvn> in unity?
[15:15] <Kilos> nlsthzn, does your right click safely remove function work for a usb stick
[15:16] <nlsthzn> normally
[15:16] <nlsthzn> that or eject
[15:16] <Kilos> mine does but when i have a drive mounted the right click unmount does
[15:16] <Kilos> how do you eject and internal hdd
[15:17] <Kilos> there no unmount with the right click on unity?
[15:17] <Kilos> was handy that
[15:17] <Kilos> and right click a drive and use format
[15:19] <Kilos> those were handy functions
[15:49] <smile> hoi :p
[15:58] <Kilos> hi smile 
[15:59] <Kilos> been inna hot bath
[15:59] <Kilos> so clean as a whistle
[15:59] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[15:59] <smile> Kilos: good ;)
[15:59] <Kilos> and lekker warm
[16:00] <Kilos> i gotta be up at mid night
[16:00] <Kilos> sigh
[16:01] <Kilos> to send an iso fora gigabyte install cd to ubuntuone for my son
[16:02] <Banlam> when you say send
[16:02] <Banlam> what method are you using?
[16:02] <Banlam> oh
[16:02] <Banlam> wait
[16:02] <Kilos> um
[16:02] <Banlam> uploading to ubuntuone?
[16:02] <Kilos> ya that
[16:02] <Banlam> why can't he just download it?
[16:02] <Kilos> is there another way
[16:02] <nuvolari> o/
[16:02] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos  :>
[16:02] <Banlam> from a normal site?
[16:02] <nuvolari> hi Banlam, smile 
[16:03] <Banlam> heya
[16:03] <smile> hi nuvolari, did you have a nice day? :)
[16:03] <Banlam> kilos, is there something special about your specific ISO?
[16:03] <nuvolari> semi nice
[16:03] <Kilos> those drivers wont install but the cd looks whats installed and gives the option to install whatever else is needed Banlam 
[16:03] <nuvolari> had to run around to get different SIM cards
[16:03] <nuvolari> and laundry day
[16:04] <Banlam> kilos, ok. are the drivers not available on gigabyte's website?
[16:04] <Kilos> its a gigabyte mb install cd Banlam 
[16:04] <smile> nuvolari: well take a break between the runs, I would suggest ;)
[16:04] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[16:04] <Banlam> that's where i alwys got my drivers
[16:04] <Banlam> you just plug in your motherboard details
[16:04] <Banlam> and you can get them all
[16:04] <Banlam> and pick what OS you're using
[16:04] <smile> nuvolari: why did you need those? :p is one not enough?
[16:05] <Kilos> i will tell him that Banlam ty. but i think he has tried all the gigabyte stuff online and still battling
[16:05] <nuvolari> smile: nope, not when vodacom is having it's er, when it's acting like awoman
[16:05] <Banlam> kilos, ok, how big's the ISO?
[16:05] <smile> nuvolari: oh i see
[16:05] <Kilos> 637m
[16:05] <Banlam> ouch
[16:06] <Kilos> but i got the 8ta 2 +1 and always sleep early
[16:06] <Banlam> cool
[16:06]  * Banlam is very happy with his 8ta data
[16:06] <nuvolari> vodacom is usually OK, but it's been happening more often that I only get GPRS data
[16:06] <Kilos> so the plus 1 would have been wasted anyway
[16:06] <nuvolari> so today I got fed up
[16:06] <Kilos> nuvolari, get 8ta
[16:07] <Kilos> 3g for R149
[16:07] <Banlam> that depends where nuvolari resides
[16:07] <nuvolari> Kilos: :> exactly what I did oom Kilos 
[16:07] <Banlam> 8ta's reception is pretty much zero outside of major city centres
[16:07] <Kilos> they will check when he fones them to activate 3g
[16:07] <nuvolari> MTN and 8ta, but 8ta is just over 3x faster at my spot
[16:07] <Banlam> nice
[16:07] <Kilos> yay nuvolari and hows connection?
[16:08] <Kilos> lekker man
[16:08] <nuvolari> Kilos: how do I get that 3Gb oom Kilos ?
[16:08] <nuvolari> Kilos: so far it's been beautiful!
[16:08] <nuvolari> lekker quick
[16:08] <Kilos> mine is a bit slower than voda but R200 for 500m cant compete
[16:08] <Kilos> put sim in fone
[16:08]  * Banlam has gotten 5mbps+
[16:08] <Kilos> fone 188 i think
[16:09] <Kilos> talk to op
[16:09] <nuvolari> joh, Banlam on 8ta?
[16:09] <Kilos> mine max 300kB/s today
[16:09]  * nuvolari got 1.xMbps today
[16:09] <Banlam> nuvolari, yup
[16:09] <Kilos> Banlam, is there a way to speed it up?
[16:09] <nuvolari> MTN got 0.3Mbps
[16:09] <Banlam> Kilos, no idea. I live fairly close to a tower
[16:09] <Kilos> wow im jealous
[16:10] <Kilos> me too
[16:10] <Kilos> 1k
[16:10] <Banlam> and my cellphone is capable of those speeds
[16:10] <Kilos> but way outa town
[16:10] <nuvolari> wow... WOW!
[16:10] <Kilos> im using a 3g modem
[16:10] <nuvolari> 2.15Mbps
[16:10] <Kilos> wow
[16:10]  * Kilos cries
[16:10] <nuvolari> 0.36Mbps upload
[16:10] <nuvolari> which is about the same as MTN
[16:11] <Kilos> nuvolari, get that bundle man
[16:11] <Kilos> its where you buy data
[16:11]  * Banlam is on the 60+60 for the year
[16:11] <Kilos> if not your sim needs activating 
[16:11] <Kilos> thats lekker Banlam 
[16:11] <nuvolari> meh, I got the 266 for 2Gb bundle
[16:11]  * nuvolari facepalms :'(
[16:11] <Banlam> mmm, i have to ration myself
[16:11] <Kilos> R149 for 3g dom donner
[16:11] <Banlam> but so far it's been going quite well
[16:12] <Kilos> lol
[16:12] <nuvolari> that's why I faceklap myself oom Kilos :P
[16:12] <Kilos> lol
[16:12] <Kilos> but 1 g of that is after 11pm or 12pm
[16:12] <Banlam> nuvolari, you have to phone customer care and tell them you want to buy the 2+1 deal, then they'll activate your sim card. you won't be able to use that card for data or calls on the extended mtn network though
[16:12] <Banlam> only on 8ta networks
[16:13] <Banlam> then, as kilos mentioned, it will show up when you dial *188#
[16:13] <Kilos> ya
[16:13] <nuvolari> hmm, do I know that I'm on the 'normal' 8ta network?
[16:13] <nuvolari> *how do I know
[16:13] <Kilos> you wont have the 3g special
[16:13] <Banlam> have you checked on their coverage map?
[16:14] <Banlam> 8ta.com/coverage
[16:14] <Kilos> must be good coverage if he is getting 1m/x
[16:14] <nuvolari> Banlam: yeah, I just made it onto the map. Actually I took a chance because I didn't think I'll have coverage
[16:14] <Banlam> select '8ta network' at the top of the page
[16:14] <nuvolari> oh like so
[16:14]  * nuvolari checks
[16:14] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:14] <Kilos> bbnn
[16:47] <nuvolari> oh hi NeVeR_ 
[16:47] <NeVeR_> yo yo
[16:50] <Kilos> yo NeVeR_ 
[16:50] <Kilos> im back nuvolari 
[16:51] <nuvolari> welkom terug oom! Lekker gemunch?
[16:51]  * nuvolari het 'n paar skyfies in 'n pan in die oond gesteek
[16:51] <NeVeR_> yo kilos
[16:51] <Kilos> ja avo toebroodjies
[16:51] <NeVeR_> anyone here heard of a company called itemate?
[16:51] <Kilos> die pc werk nou honderd nuvolari dankie weer
[16:52] <nuvolari> oh my word! laat oom Kilos my nou huistoe verlang... my ma maak die heerlikste avo-broodjies!
[16:52] <Kilos> lol met sout en bietjie asyn in gemeng
[16:52] <nuvolari> Kilos: :D rerig oom? Dit is wonderlike nuus!
[16:53] <Kilos> moet nog net die dvd toets maar dit sien darem nou wat is op n cd
[16:54] <nuvolari> ek't lankal moed opgegee met optiese media. die goed het te veel issues
[16:54] <Kilos> dit wou nie eers die sata drive of dvd sien nie
[16:54] <nuvolari> tel dit nou die sata drive ook op oom?
[16:54] <Kilos> maar nou die giga mb se plan gesien
[16:54] <Kilos> ja
[16:55] <Kilos> ek is op 12.04 op die sata
[16:55] <nuvolari> \o/ wat het oom gedoen om hom te fix?
[16:55]  * nuvolari verstaan nou hoekom oom Kilos skielik so vinnig tik op IRC :P
[16:55] <Kilos> battery uitgehaal en pc geboot daarsonder
[16:55] <Kilos> haha
[16:56] <Kilos> en my usb hub wer weer met die modem in
[16:56] <Kilos> werk
[16:56] <Kilos> of voda of my maverick was siek
[16:57] <Kilos> het maverick as tweeded drive hier en dit boot ook
[16:57] <Kilos> tweede
[16:57] <nuvolari> ha! 8ta = uninterrupted Ubuntu-ZA meetings :D
[16:57] <Kilos>  skyf
[16:58] <Kilos> ja gaan goed wees
[16:58] <nuvolari> ja sies oom
[16:58] <Kilos> 16 dae om te voorbery
[16:58] <nuvolari> ek't gister Riaan Cruywagen se boek klaar gelees en hy sê mense vermink afrikaans
[16:58] <Banlam> vermink?
[16:58] <nuvolari> maar oom is eintlik engels, so oom is verskoon
[16:58] <Kilos> ja ons doen
[16:59] <Kilos> hahaha baie dankie
[16:59] <nuvolari> Banlam: ek sal gou die stukkie in sy slot tik. Dit was baie waar
[16:59] <Kilos> my ouma aan ma se kant was du preez
[16:59] <Banlam> cool, dankie
[17:00] <Kilos> Banlam, them torrent goodies is that just for downloading
[17:00] <Kilos> ?
[17:00] <Banlam> kilos, torrenting is for file sharing
[17:00] <Banlam> peer to peer
[17:00] <Kilos> wont help my big upload hey
[17:00] <Banlam> mainly used for sharing illegal files
[17:01] <Kilos> oh
[17:01] <Banlam> kilos, well you can create a torrent for it
[17:01] <Banlam> and then give it to your son (if i remember correctly)
[17:01] <Banlam> then he will download it directly from your PC
[17:01] <Kilos> na i battled enough to make an iso of it
[17:01] <Banlam> but it's a complicated way of doing things
[17:01] <Banlam> yeah
[17:01] <Banlam> ubuntoone
[17:01] <Banlam> or dropbox would be easier
[17:01] <Kilos> yeah
[17:01] <Banlam> or google drive
[17:02] <Banlam> or whatever
[17:02] <Kilos> where is dropbox
[17:02] <Kilos> also free
[17:02] <Kilos> ?
[17:02] <Banlam> yes
[17:02] <charlvn> good evening
[17:02] <Banlam> 8ta after hours is from 11-05
[17:02] <Banlam> btw
[17:02] <Kilos> why would it be easier?
[17:02] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[17:02] <Banlam> easier than torrenting i mean
[17:02] <charlvn> hi Kilos :)
[17:03] <Kilos> maybe ill use ubuntuone
[17:03] <Banlam> kilos, what upload speeds do you get?
[17:03] <Kilos> tried one file there and ian got it so should get the iso too
[17:03] <Kilos> dunno
[17:03] <Kilos> how do i check that?
[17:04] <Banlam> just wondering if 11pm-5am is enough time to upload it
[17:04] <Banlam> speedtest.net is the easiest
[17:04] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[17:04] <Kilos> in cli?
[17:04] <Banlam> oh
[17:05] <Banlam> hmm
[17:05] <Banlam> not sure
[17:05] <Kilos> http:// then
[17:05] <Banlam> oh yes
[17:05] <Banlam> needs a browser that supports flash
[17:05] <Banlam> will test your upload and download speeds
[17:05] <nuvolari> Banlam: http://typewith.me/p/wat's_nuus
[17:05] <Banlam> by uploading and downloading a few mb
[17:05] <Kilos> ok lemme try
[17:06] <Banlam> nuvolari, ah right
[17:06] <Banlam> is daar n afrikaans term vir CD? :P
[17:06] <Banlam> KD?
[17:07] <nuvolari> KS
[17:07] <nuvolari> Kompak Skyf 
[17:07] <Banlam> S?
[17:07] <Banlam> lol
[17:07] <nuvolari> Afrikaans se IT terme is bietjie vreesaanjaend
[17:07] <nuvolari> aftaster
[17:07] <nuvolari> = scanner
[17:07] <Banlam> mm
[17:07] <Banlam> maar nogals snaaks :)
[17:08] <nuvolari> aftaster klink pervers
[17:08] <Banlam> maar ek dink, selfs ek sou meer afrikaans woorde gebruik het as daai ou
[17:09] <Kilos> upload .32mb/s
[17:09] <nuvolari> Toe ek dit lees toe begin ek net lag want; daar is regtig soveel Afrikaanse kunstenaars wat meer engels in hulle sinne gooi as Afrikaans
[17:09] <Kilos> download 1.87mb/s
[17:09] <nuvolari> Kilos: yeah, I think that's the norm
[17:10] <nuvolari> had the same upload speed for MTN and 8ta
[17:10] <charlvn> which technology is this?
[17:10] <charlvn> hsdpa?
[17:10] <Kilos> so will 637m make it before 5am
[17:10] <Banlam> kilos, 0.32Mb/s = 0.04MB/s = 2.4MB/min
[17:10] <Kilos> dunno charlvn 3g modem
[17:11] <Kilos> must be 
[17:11] <Banlam> 637/2.4 = 265min
[17:11] <Banlam> = 4.5hours
[17:11] <Banlam> so if you start at 11PM, and you keep a constant speed
[17:11] <Banlam> you should be done before 4am
[17:11] <Banlam> with an hour to spare
[17:12] <Kilos> hopefully there no breaks then you gotta start again or will only missing data go up?
[17:12] <Banlam> i'm not 100% sure
[17:12] <Banlam> as it's just one big file
[17:12] <Kilos> oh it has a sync thingie
[17:13] <nuvolari> Banlam: upload or download? uncle Kilos' download is a little bit quicker
[17:13] <Kilos> lets hope
[17:13] <Banlam> nuvolari, he needs to upload
[17:13] <nuvolari> oh :-/
[17:13] <Banlam> kilos, i don't know if there are settings, but make sure that upoloads aren't limited in ubuntuone.
[17:13] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:13]  * inetpro about to read the backlog
[17:13] <Banlam> i know dropbox has a settings
[17:13] <Banlam> :)
[17:13] <charlvn> hi inetpro 
[17:13] <Kilos> lol hi inetpro 
[17:13] <inetpro> you guys talk a lot today
[17:13] <Kilos> hes checking if im wasting data now
[17:14] <Kilos> hehe
[17:14] <nuvolari> inetpro: "8ta rocks" is all you need to know
[17:14] <inetpro> hi charlvn and everyone else
[17:14] <nuvolari> lo inetpro 
[17:14] <Kilos> inetpro, upload to ubuntuone of 637m what if there breaks in connection
[17:15] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[17:15] <inetpro> eish Kilos, gimme a chance to catch up
[17:15] <Kilos> lol
[17:15] <inetpro> what are you talking about?
[17:15] <Kilos> catch up first
[17:16] <inetpro> why you have so much to upload to ubuntuone?
[17:16] <Kilos> its an iso of a gigabyte mb 
[17:16] <Kilos> cd
[17:16] <Kilos> for ian
[17:16] <inetpro> yikes
[17:16] <inetpro> why?
[17:17] <inetpro> isos are typically available online anyway
[17:17] <Kilos> luckily i copied his months ago because his has been /stolen/lost/whatever
[17:17] <inetpro> Kilos: don't waste your bandwidth
[17:18] <Kilos> inetpro, i dunno if you can get the mb cd iso online and he cant get individual drivers to work
[17:18] <Kilos> it will be the nighttime 1g
[17:19] <inetpro> Kilos: mb cd?
[17:19] <Kilos> i sleep before 11pm
[17:19] <Kilos> the one supplied with gigabyte motherboards
[17:19] <inetpro> eish!
[17:19] <charlvn> surely you can download the individual drivers from some other place on the internet?
[17:20] <inetpro> charlvn: exactly
[17:20] <Kilos> its for a windows pc for a client he must repair
[17:20]  * Banlam suggested this, gigabyte's website is very comprehensive
[17:20] <charlvn> most hardware manufacturers have a very nicely catalogue of drivers online
[17:20] <Kilos> he has tried for 3 days charl
[17:20] <charlvn> *nice
[17:20] <Kilos> they wont install
[17:20] <charlvn> ok that doesn't help
[17:21] <Kilos> im hoping the cd will see and install
[17:21] <Kilos> and that 11pm to 5am data i will never use
[17:22] <charlvn> i don't know what the current deal is in south africa with bandwidth but it might even be cheaper to burn it to a cd/dvd and ship it than to do it over the internet
[17:22] <Kilos> time
[17:22] <Kilos> client needs pc
[17:22] <charlvn> it's what we used to do with large quantities of data all the time - just ship cds/dvds or even full hard drives
[17:22] <charlvn> ah ok
[17:23] <Kilos> shipping means i gotta find transport to town to po
[17:23] <Kilos> and the cost
[17:23] <charlvn> ah yeah that's not handy either
[17:23] <charlvn> neh sounds like internet is the best way to go
[17:23] <Kilos> i think so
[17:23] <charlvn> did you try to compress the iso with an algorithm like 7z or so to see if it can get smaller?
[17:23] <charlvn> 7z has amazing compression
[17:24] <Banlam> that's a good idea
[17:24] <Kilos> oh that another thing i need to ask you guys
[17:24] <Kilos> it doesnt show as .iso
[17:25] <Kilos> brasero.toc.bin
[17:25] <charlvn> you mean the extension is different?
[17:25] <charlvn> oh i see
[17:25] <Kilos> thats what its called
[17:25] <Kilos> so i dunno if he will get it to work with windows
[17:25] <Kilos> will he have to use ubuntu
[17:25] <charlvn> good question
[17:25] <charlvn> can you mount it under ubuntu?
[17:26] <Banlam> .bin is fine
[17:26] <Kilos> i have it on my desktop here
[17:26] <Banlam> daemon tools won't have an issue with it
[17:26] <Banlam> if i recall correctly
[17:26] <charlvn> like do a: mkdir /tmp/sopmething; sudo mount -o loop brasero.toc.bin /tmp/something
[17:26] <charlvn> cause if you can mount it like an iso it should be fine right?
[17:26] <Kilos> will windows work? so he can download and burn to cd?
[17:27] <charlvn> not sure what the windows tools are capable of
[17:27] <charlvn> i guess it depends on what he uses... if he uses nero, it could do almost anything possible
[17:27] <charlvn> but if he uses the built-in windows tool, it might or might not work, i don't know
[17:27] <nlsthzn> Kilos, get ashampoo 6 for windows... free and does all yuor iso burning needs
[17:28] <Kilos> he has kubuntu 11.10 as well on same pc methinks
[17:28] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn will tell him
[17:28] <inetpro> hmm.... now that I've read the backlogs it's dinner time
[17:28]  * inetpro will have to read again laters
[17:28] <Kilos> hehe
[17:28] <charlvn> lol it happens
[17:28] <charlvn> enjoy inetpro 
[17:29] <Kilos> enjoy inetpro 
[17:29] <nuvolari> nice... debian to make xfce its default desktop
[17:29] <nlsthzn> wow
[17:29] <nlsthzn> bold move by debian
[17:30] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commit;h=2a962cc65cdba010177f27e8824ba10d9a799a08
[17:30]  * nlsthzn is thinking of trying lubuntu 12.10 when it comes... like the new icons :p
[17:30]  * nuvolari scouts lubuntu
[17:30] <nlsthzn> hahaah
[17:30] <nlsthzn> pretty funny post
[17:33] <Kilos> i prefer unity to xubuntu
[17:33] <Kilos> tried xubuntu in 11.04
[17:34] <Kilos> unity just needs to add a few thing gnome does and it will be fine
[17:35] <Kilos> like where is places computer nlsthzn 
[17:35] <nlsthzn> :)
[17:35] <nlsthzn> I really enjoy Unity too
[17:35] <nlsthzn> but the way gnome is going these days I don't know how long Ubuntu can hold on using it
[17:35] <Kilos> one needs to get to computer to right click a cd and copy disk to a file for the iso
[17:36] <Kilos> had to go maverick to do this one
[17:37] <nuvolari> what do you mean nlsthzn ?
[17:37]  * nuvolari is outdated on both unity and gnome
[17:37] <nlsthzn> have you seen the latest about nautilus nuvolari ?
[17:37] <nuvolari> nope, using thunar
[17:39] <nlsthzn> one sec
[17:39] <nlsthzn> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/is-the-new-nautilus-a-step-in-the-direction-poll
[17:40] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, ^^
[17:40] <nlsthzn> the way they are dumbing down everything is beyond idiotic
[17:40] <Kilos> dumbing down?
[17:41] <nlsthzn> Kilos, they are removing so much functionality from everything it begins to be hindersome
[17:41] <Kilos> ah ty
[17:41] <Kilos> nlsthzn, wheres computer on unity
[17:41] <nlsthzn> android has had mass appeal and trust me, it is simple for those that need it and super complex if you want it too...
[17:41] <nlsthzn> Kilos, ?
[17:42] <Kilos> supposed to be before home isnt it
[17:42] <nuvolari> wtf?? Folders no longer sorted by default
[17:42] <nuvolari> it's becoming like mac
[17:43] <nuvolari> it frustrates me when working on a mac... nothing is sorted
[17:43] <nuvolari> by default
[17:43] <nuvolari> and good luck in quickly finding a way to sort your views
[17:43] <nlsthzn> it is called file system AFAIK uncle Kilos 
[17:43] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, just a bunch of sillyness
[17:44] <nuvolari> yeah
[17:44] <Kilos> i will try find it ty nlsthzn 
[17:45] <nuvolari> it's just plain stupid to remove the type ahead thingy
[17:45] <nuvolari> (or wait, it think of something else)
[17:45] <nlsthzn> look in nautilus uncle Kilos ... it is a default on the favourites
[17:46] <Kilos> nautilus open files right
[17:46] <Kilos> so how do i look in nautilus
[17:47] <nlsthzn> right hand side at the top
[17:47] <nlsthzn> there is a list of favourites... file system is there if memory serves...
[17:47] <nuvolari> hmm. yeah, they're definitely on a cuicidal path here :-/
[17:48] <nuvolari> bwahaha! Classic: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-W6xanziZKTo/UB1gMpGlVmI/AAAAAAAAUoI/gB4aMvgV9lA/s700/dife.jpg
[17:49] <Kilos> nope nlsthzn computer shows all drives connected
[17:50] <Kilos> ill wait till we catch someone on unity
[17:50] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, lol
[17:50] <nlsthzn> Kilos, I haven't booted into Ubuntu in weeks... sadly Windows is working very nicely for me at the moment (OK, I shouldn't say sdaly)
[17:51] <Kilos> ill give unity another week and if im still sukkeling will put another desktop
[17:51] <Kilos> lol np nlsthzn 
[17:52] <nlsthzn> Kilos, a lot of what is a hassle in unity is directly related to issues with gnome 3... 
[17:52] <Kilos> oh isnt that stable yet
[17:52] <Kilos> gnome2 is kiff
[17:53] <Kilos> maybe because ive spent so much time on it
[17:57] <nlsthzn> not about stability... but about changes
[17:57] <nlsthzn> things taken out etc.
[17:57]  * nlsthzn goes for late dinner
[17:57] <nlsthzn> bbl
[17:57] <Kilos> eish not even 8pm and i ready to go sleep but gotta wait till after 11pm
[17:57] <Kilos> enjoy nlsthzn 
[17:58] <superfly> Kilos: it's like using Ubuntu after using Windows... you're used to Windows, so it seems terrible. You just need to get used to it.
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah inna way superfly 
[17:59] <Kilos> but things like computer should be there still
[17:59] <Kilos> and places
[17:59] <Kilos> and right click format
[17:59] <Kilos> or safely remove and unmount not eject
[17:59] <superfly> Kilos: Unity is a new desktop, it does things differently
[18:01] <Kilos> yeah but when i google how to make an iso off a cd i dont find the unity way of doing it
[18:01] <Kilos> im not complaining
[18:01] <Kilos> just saying whats worse here
[18:01] <charlvn> Kilos: right clicking on the iso should do the trick
[18:01] <Kilos> or more difficult
[18:01] <charlvn> there is an option to burn to cd if i remember
[18:02] <charlvn> but i could be wrong, i normally use the "standard" gnome3
[18:02] <charlvn> not unity
[18:02] <charlvn> oh wait sorry, an iso off a cd, read wrong
[18:02] <Kilos> i wanted to create an iso from a cd charlvn 
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <charlvn> just do it on the command line, it's super easy
[18:02] <charlvn> it's the only way i ever do it honestlyt
[18:03] <Kilos> has kubuntu got apps places  system superfly ?
[18:03] <charlvn> dd if=/dev/sr0 of=my.iso
[18:03] <Kilos> i couldnt get the correct path for the cdrom charlvn 
[18:03] <charlvn> ah that's irritating
[18:04] <charlvn> it should just be sr0 by default
[18:04]  * nuvolari feels so dirty now... 8tamail is using M$ :'(
[18:04] <superfly> Kilos: apps places?
[18:04] <charlvn> nuvolari: outlook?
[18:04] <Kilos> its couldnt find sr0 cdrom0 cdrom /media/cdrom
[18:04] <charlvn> wow weird
[18:05] <Kilos> oh my superfly its top left of gnome top panel applications places and system
[18:05] <superfly> Kilos: no, KDE has no places menu
[18:05] <nuvolari> charlvn: Windows Live
[18:05] <Kilos> /dev/cdrom /dev/cdrom0 /dev/sr0
[18:05] <charlvn> nuvolari: oh i see
[18:05] <nuvolari> or something, I can't say this or that :P 
[18:05] <Kilos> i gave up and went to maverick
[18:05] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[18:06] <charlvn> Kilos: if you mount the cd you should be able to see it under the mount points
[18:06] <charlvn> what the path to the device is
[18:06] <Kilos> how do you mount it if you cant find it
[18:06] <charlvn> ah i see, it doesn't mount automatically?
[18:06] <Kilos> neil said open it and you will see path
[18:06] <Kilos> was /media/sr0
[18:07] <Kilos> i tried that same dd command charlvn 
[18:07] <Kilos> ask nlsthzn 
[18:07] <charlvn> yeah but if you can't mount it you have a bigger problem
[18:08] <Kilos> so used mavericks gui way
[18:08] <charlvn> sorry i'm not too much help there.... i do almost everything at the command line :S
[18:08] <Kilos> when i put cd in it shows here in launcher
[18:08] <charlvn> well if you can open the cd then it's already mounted
[18:08] <Kilos> and i can open it
[18:09] <charlvn> nah then it's mounted
[18:09] <Kilos> but dd command didnt work
[18:09] <charlvn> just go to the command line and type mount
[18:09] <charlvn> somewhere under there it will show a device that is mounted under /media somewhere
[18:09] <charlvn> then you know what the device name is
[18:09] <charlvn> and then you can use dd... simple
[18:09] <Kilos> ok i try it again
[18:10] <Kilos> i actually could cd /media/ and saw the cd in there
[18:10] <charlvn> yeah then it is definitely mounted
[18:11] <charlvn> and you already know the mount point so you just need to determine the device that is mounted there
[18:11] <charlvn> cause you need the device for dd
[18:12] <charlvn> if you use the mount command without any parameters it will show you the list of mount points and the devices that are mounted at each point
[18:13] <Kilos> /dev/sr0 on /media/G71-21OM067 type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,mode=0400,dmode=0500,uhelper=udisks)
[18:13] <charlvn> then it's definitely sr0
[18:13] <charlvn> now try the dd command again with if=/dev/sr0
[18:15] <Kilos> dd if=/dev/sr0 of=my.iso
[18:15] <Kilos> somethings happening
[18:15] <charlvn> you might need to run that through sudo, i can't remember anymore
[18:15] <charlvn> if it's starting to copy you should be fine
[18:16] <Kilos> when made last iso with maverick and gui way pc went so slow i couldnt even swop workspaces
[18:16] <charlvn> that sucks
[18:16] <Kilos> it doesnt give feedback like the gui way
[18:16] <charlvn> that is unfortunate yes
[18:17] <Kilos> same pc now using sata drive and unity i can still switch
[18:17] <charlvn> yeah it was probably just keeping your ide busy
[18:17] <Kilos> 677226496 bytes (677 MB) copied, 131.95 s, 5.1 MB/s
[18:17] <charlvn> perfect
[18:17] <charlvn> well done
[18:18] <Kilos> you well done ty very much
[18:18] <Kilos> now where is it?
[18:18] <Kilos> hehe
[18:18] <charlvn> np!
[18:18] <charlvn> if you used the exact command above, my.iso should be in your pwd (path to working directory)
[18:18] <Kilos> pwd?
[18:18] <charlvn> if you run pwd you have the exact path
[18:18] <Kilos> oh
[18:19] <nuvolari> lol! oom Kilos, are you loaded on bandwidth?
[18:19] <Kilos> hehe /home/miles
[18:19] <charlvn> cool in your home directory
[18:19] <charlvn> sorry i'm off, bbl
[18:19] <Kilos> got 8ta 2 + 1 nuvolari 
[18:19] <Kilos> 1+ 1 now
[18:20] <nuvolari> for a good laugh: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PrtmyPE8-08/UB1lhpaxIrI/AAAAAAAAUsg/3MHXq7XzEBE/w497-h373/boo.gif
[18:20] <Kilos> ty charlvn 
[18:20] <Kilos> chow now
[18:20] <nuvolari> the best gif I've seen in a long time
[18:21] <Kilos> lol ek gebruik data vir goed wat moet werk nie om te lag nie
[18:21] <inetpro> wow you guys are full of it this evening!?
[18:21] <Kilos> what is it?
[18:21] <nuvolari> Kilos: dit is 'n moet oom Kilos!
[18:21] <Kilos> lol at inetpro 
[18:21] <Kilos> n wat?
[18:21] <inetpro> nuvolari: why would you ever want to use 8ta mail?
[18:21] <nuvolari> inetpro: just wanted to check it out
[18:22] <Kilos> haha hond met baaidjie
[18:22] <nuvolari> nee oom Kilos... nie net dit nie
[18:22] <nuvolari> wag vir die hele ding
[18:23]  * nuvolari het amper van die stoel af gevoeter
[18:23] <Banlam> lol
[18:23] <Kilos> dit bly net so, n hond met n voel agter hom
[18:23] <Banlam> en as dit klaar laai
[18:23] <nuvolari> hmm
[18:24] <Banlam> doen die voel iets aan die hondjie
[18:24]  * inetpro has learned the lesson to avoid lock-in to ISP mail accounts
[18:24] <Banlam> personal domain <3
[18:24] <Banlam> or gmail 'o/
[18:24] <nuvolari> gmail <3
[18:24] <Banlam>  \o/
[18:24] <charlvn> k back
[18:25] <charlvn> gmail has the same problem as isps except that you can switch iso without changing your email address
[18:25] <charlvn> but you still are locked into one provider
[18:25] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, hoe kyk oom die prentjie? maak dit in 'n browser oop
[18:25] <charlvn> if you run your mail under your own domain, you can move it around as you like
[18:25] <charlvn> without changing your mail address
[18:25] <charlvn> *switch isp
[18:26]  * Banlam 's personal domain emails all forward to his gmail in any case
[18:26] <Kilos> ja opera
[18:26] <charlvn> that's another way of doing it
[18:26] <nuvolari> Kilos: wel, dit lyk nie vir my of die vet tannie wil sing in daai opera nie
[18:27] <Kilos> lmga
[18:27] <charlvn> Banlam: but then you also want to have your outgoing mail sent from your own domain, not from @gmail.com
[18:27] <Kilos> nee dit bly net soos dit oop gemaak het
[18:27] <Kilos> hond en voel
[18:27] <nuvolari> :-/
[18:27] <Banlam> charlvn, yeah that is one problem, gmail let's you set reply address at least
[18:27] <nuvolari> en chrome/firefox oom Kilos ?
[18:27] <charlvn> that's good enough actually
[18:27] <Banlam> mm
[18:27] <charlvn> although you could also just register your domain for google apps
[18:28] <charlvn> and then have your mail delivered directly to google
[18:28] <Kilos> wag ek try ff
[18:28] <Banlam> charlvn, yeah, but effort
[18:28] <inetpro> hmm... I should look at moving my inetpro domain to google apps
[18:28] <charlvn> then your sent from address is also correct
[18:28] <Banlam> i just like that gmail is pretty much an archive for all my mails
[18:28] <charlvn> Banlam: true but not that much effort, i have done it a number of times
[18:28] <inetpro> inetpro.co.za still registered at @lantic
[18:28] <Banlam> mmm, maybe one day :/
[18:29] <Kilos> haha ja kraai is n pes ding
[18:30] <inetpro> or I should just get a VPS for me self
[18:30] <nuvolari> +1 for vps
[18:30] <nuvolari> (linode)
[18:31] <inetpro> nuvolari: link?
[18:31] <Kilos> charlvn, ty now its called .iso not .bin
[18:31] <nuvolari> inetpro: http://linode.com
[18:32] <smile> bye :)
[18:32] <charlvn> bye smile 
[18:32] <nuvolari> bye bye
[18:32] <charlvn> Kilos: np :)
[18:32] <Kilos> sleep tight smile 
[18:32] <smile> see ya all :)
[18:32] <smile> :D
[18:32] <charlvn> nuvolari, inetpro: rather go hetzner, imho much better
[18:32] <charlvn> what i use in any case
[18:33] <Kilos> found out why my 12.04 server cd didnt wanna install methinks
[18:33] <inetpro> charlvn: a loval account?
[18:33] <Banlam> if you have a vps, do you run your own mail and http servers etc?
[18:33] <inetpro> local as well
[18:33] <Kilos> its a 64 that other cpu
[18:33] <Kilos> amd64
[18:33] <charlvn> local account? not sure what you mean
[18:33] <inetpro> charlvn: I mean, local servers
[18:33] <charlvn> here is what i use: http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produkte_vserver/vq7
[18:33] <inetpro> as in South African hosted
[18:33] <nuvolari> hello tonberry352_ 
[18:34] <nuvolari> oh
[18:34] <nuvolari> I mean wb
[18:34] <nuvolari> :P
[18:34] <charlvn> oh sorry i don't know about that, my server is in germany
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34]  * Banlam uses serve hosting, american servers
[18:34] <charlvn> i think linode hosts in the usa and the uk
[18:34] <nuvolari> yeah
[18:34] <charlvn> wow linode is expensive compared to hetzner
[18:35] <Banlam> linode is a vps, hetzner is just shared hosting?
[18:35] <charlvn> hetzner even has native ipv6
[18:35] <Banlam> or is that ps?
[18:35] <Banlam> vos*
[18:35]  * Banlam checks link
[18:35] <Banlam> *vps 
[18:35] <charlvn> Banlam: i'm talking about a vps here
[18:35] <Banlam> ah k
[18:35] <charlvn> no shared hosting, stay away!!
[18:35] <charlvn> :)
[18:36] <inetpro> nuvolari: is that linode price a monthly cost?
[18:36]  * Banlam is on shared hosting
[18:36] <Banlam> but it's all i need
[18:36] <charlvn> lol
[18:36] <charlvn> no i like something i can control
[18:37] <nuvolari> inetpro: yeah
[18:37] <charlvn> but i've had a pretty bad experience with shared hosting and clients a long time ago, so i might be biased
[18:37] <Banlam> cost vs what i need, shared hosting is better
[18:37] <Banlam> for me
[18:37] <inetpro> eish!
[18:37] <Banlam> heh
[18:37] <charlvn> Banlam: that's probably true for most people
[18:37] <Banlam> i mean, i could use a vps
[18:37] <Banlam> but not warrant cost
[18:37] <Banlam> on my budget :)
[18:38] <charlvn> for 7,90 euro per month i'm not going to complain
[18:38] <Banlam> for sure
[18:38] <charlvn> :)
[18:38] <Banlam> that's a very good price
[18:38] <charlvn> indeed
[18:38] <charlvn> and they have good support and very low downtime
[18:39] <inetpro> charlvn: do they allow irc bots or irc bouncers?
[18:39] <charlvn> inetpro: afaik they allow everything as long as it's legal
[18:39] <charlvn> inetpro: it's a vps so what you do with it is pretty-much up to it
[18:40] <charlvn> *to you
[18:40] <charlvn> i irc from it in any case, run irssi inside screen
[18:41] <inetpro> ok cool, so they haven't complained about that?
[18:41] <nuvolari> linode has IRC support :P
[18:41] <nuvolari> (not on freenode though :-/)
[18:41]  * inetpro wonders whether to consider FreeBSD or Ubuntu 
[18:41] <charlvn> inetpro: nope never had any issues
[18:42] <charlvn> it's a pretty common thing to do afaik
[18:42] <Banlam> yeah
[18:42] <Banlam> can't see wht they'd complain
[18:42] <nuvolari> yeah, I think it's the windows hosts that has the urge to complain about IRC traffic
[18:42] <nuvolari> Squirm: ^^ true/not?
[18:42] <charlvn> nuvolari: i think it's the shared hosts actually
[18:42] <Banlam> again, why?
[18:43] <charlvn> even the linux shared hosts
[18:43] <nuvolari> oh
[18:43]  * Banlam hadn't even thought of running irc from shared host
[18:43] <charlvn> yeah me neither
[18:43] <inetpro> charlvn: run quassel-core
[18:44] <charlvn> if it's a dedicated host or vps usually, as long as you're not doing anything illegal, you can do whatever you want
[18:44] <Kilos> i kissed something here, whats wrong with gmail?
[18:44] <charlvn> inetpro: quassel isn't bad but i prefer to stick to the command line for everything possible
[18:44] <charlvn> inetpro: i also use mutt for my mail
[18:44] <inetpro> Kilos: you kissed what?
[18:44] <Kilos> lol
[18:44] <charlvn> yeah what's that about... :)
[18:45] <Kilos> missed
[18:45] <charlvn> ah :)
[18:45] <nuvolari> +1 for CLI IRC client
[18:45] <Kilos> rofl
[18:45] <Kilos> typo man
[18:46] <Kilos> nuvolari, tot die klank kaart werk
[18:46] <nuvolari> eeek, I probably need to interrupt my uptime sometime to actually redeem my free storage space
[18:46] <charlvn> btw gnu freetalk is a nice command line xmpp client
[18:46] <nuvolari> \o/
[18:46] <nuvolari> hoe't oom dit gefix?
[18:47] <nuvolari> of het dit gewerk, maar net die verkeerde settings?
[18:47]  * inetpro wonders whether people use jails on Ubuntu servers?
[18:47] <Kilos> gaan kyk in synaptic en al die klank goed gereinstall
[18:47] <charlvn> i've looked at a chroot jail at some point but afaik it isn't too secure
[18:47] <nuvolari> charlvn: ever tried bitlbee?
[18:47] <Kilos> i even installed synaptic in this unity
[18:47] <charlvn> nuvolari: nope what's that?
[18:48] <nuvolari> charlvn: allows you to connect to xmpp via IRC
[18:48] <charlvn> oh i see, interesting
[18:48] <charlvn> i'm not sure how secure that is though
[18:48] <nuvolari> it's a service though, not a client, although you can run your own bitlbee instance
[18:48] <charlvn> ah
[18:49] <charlvn> sounds interesting but i prefer to minimise the number of third party services i use
[18:49] <inetpro> charlvn: so what's the best way to run multiple sites these days?
[18:49] <charlvn> stuff i don't run myself i mean
[18:49] <inetpro> say I want to run multiple sites on my vps
[18:49] <charlvn> inetpro: you mean like apache vhosts or something?
[18:49] <inetpro> yep
[18:50] <charlvn> most people i know just use the standard apache vhost functionality
[18:50] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:50] <charlvn> i spent some time on nginx, it's awesome but it is a bit of a learning curve for me
[18:50] <charlvn> i have been working with apache for so many years it's almost second nature
[18:50] <inetpro> me too but I'm always open for learning new tricks
[18:51] <charlvn> thing about apache is it being so bloated so i'm also quite keen to move away to something else
[18:51] <charlvn> nginx is definitely one of the things at the top of my list to learn
[18:51] <charlvn> i used lighttpd a number of years ago but wasn't too impressed
[18:52] <inetpro> lighttpd is good
[18:52] <charlvn> it's quite stable but the lack of .htaccess files was a problem for me back then
[18:52] <charlvn> but it was mainly because i was still doing a lot of php development and that changed now
[18:52] <charlvn> so no longer much of a concern anyway
[18:52]  * nuvolari goes to hit the hay
[18:53] <inetpro> nuvolari: good night
[18:53] <nuvolari> night everyone
[18:53] <charlvn> afaik nginx does have an alternative to .htaccess files for stuff like the rewrite module but haven't used it yet
[18:53] <charlvn> ciao nuvolari 
[18:53] <Kilos> sleep tight nuvolari 
[18:55] <charlvn> i also need to go do some other stuff, ciao all
[19:36] <inetpro> and suddenly everything s dead quiet again
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <Kilos> im battling to stay awake till 11.05
[19:38] <Kilos> inetpro, whats a  CPU with VT 
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: allows virtualisation 
[19:38] <Kilos> how would you find that out?
[19:39] <inetpro> can run virtual machines properly on the same machine
[19:39] <inetpro> hmm... hang on
[19:39] <Kilos> thats what i wanna try
[19:39]  * Kilos hangs on
[19:39]  * inetpro forgot how to check
[19:40] <inetpro> have done it before
[19:40] <inetpro> egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: see whether you get any output from that ^^
[19:42] <Kilos> k
[19:42] <inetpro> if you get output it doesn't mean that it's enabled in the BIOS though
[19:42] <inetpro> should have an option about it in the BIOS
[19:42] <Kilos> nothing
[19:43] <inetpro> eish
[19:43] <inetpro> then you don't have it
[19:43] <inetpro> I guess
[19:43] <Kilos> ty
[19:43] <Kilos> sigh
[19:43] <Kilos> would it be called vt in bios
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't think you'll  find it 
[19:44] <inetpro> your hardware clearly doesn't support it
[19:44] <Kilos> ok ill remove virtualbox
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: no need
[19:44] <Kilos> ty sir
[19:44] <inetpro> virtualbox will work
[19:45] <Kilos> oh
[19:45] <inetpro> but not perfect
[19:45] <Kilos> does it use lotsa ram?
[19:45] <inetpro> yes
[19:45] <Kilos> got 1g
[19:46] <Kilos> maybe i get used to unity first before trying fancy stuff
[19:46] <inetpro> without VT your main session will become very slow
[19:47] <Kilos> its already slower that the old p4
[19:47] <Kilos> maybe 12.04 uses more resources
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: that's not a very scientific comparison
[19:48] <Kilos> lol
[19:48] <Kilos> im no scientist
[19:48] <Kilos> i say what i see
[19:49] <inetpro> you must compare apples with apples
[19:49] <Kilos> lol
[19:49] <Kilos> cpu 2.8g and 1.7g
[19:50] <Kilos> ram 1g and 640m
[19:50] <Kilos> colour black and white
[19:50] <Kilos> modem same
[19:50] <inetpro> black and white colors?
[19:50] <Kilos> old one white
[19:50] <Kilos> lol
[19:50] <inetpro> ai
[19:51] <Kilos> new one got see through side panel
[19:51] <Kilos> can see data flowing
[19:51] <inetpro> yikes! Does that have anything to do with the price of eggs?
[19:51] <Kilos> no
[19:51] <Kilos> apples you mean
[19:52] <inetpro> nee man
[19:53] <inetpro> if you are going to compare the resource utilisation between the two different versions you'd have to test and compare the real data on the same box
[19:54] <Kilos> oh the maverick drive is faster here 
[19:54] <Kilos> its used to 1.7g cpu and 640m ram so this is christmas
[19:55] <inetpro> as in comparing exactly how much RAM is used when doing the same basic functions
[19:55] <inetpro> on the same exact hardware
[19:55] <Kilos> oh i just took it for granted if one takes longer to open the same app it is slower
[19:56] <Kilos> both drives are in same pc
[19:56] <Kilos> maverick on ide drive
[19:57] <Kilos> oh maybe i must look at those posts where they complained that unity 12.04 was slow
[19:57] <Kilos> i member seeing some guys sorted the prob
[19:58] <Kilos> i go google
[20:03] <inetpro> slow is a very relative concept
[20:04] <Kilos> whew
[20:04] <inetpro> many factors can play a role in slowing down a system
[20:04] <Kilos> maybe the nvidia-goodie no happy
[20:05] <Kilos> i forget what it was
[20:05] <Kilos> current
[20:05] <Kilos> nvidia-current
[20:06] <Kilos> i swtill havent found how to configure it
[20:06] <Kilos> still as well
[20:06] <Kilos> still get the popup message that prop drivers are available
[20:10] <Kilos> Finally, Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal (supposed to be released in October 2012) will get rid of Unity 2D and have a lone version of Unity that won't need 3D acceleration to work flawlessly, so hopefully this next version of Ubuntu will be easier to run on old computer and low specs devices like netbooks!
[20:13] <Kilos> maybe its 3d acceleration that needs to be sorted
[20:14] <inetpro> maybe
[20:15] <Kilos> like nouveau-firmware
[20:15] <Kilos> dunno if that will clash with nvidia-current
[20:16] <inetpro> superfly: ping
[20:16] <superfly> inetpro: pong
[20:16] <inetpro> did you advise against using hetzner?
[20:17] <inetpro> superfly: what do you think of http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_vserver/vq7
[20:17] <superfly> inetpro: I personally prefer not to
[20:18] <inetpro> somehow I remember someone saying something about bad service
[20:18] <inetpro> superfly: which service are you using at the mo?
[20:18] <superfly> inetpro: Linode
[20:18] <inetpro> ahh
[20:19] <superfly> I need to backup my Linode and reinstall though to make use of the extra space they gave me a while back
[20:19] <inetpro> you have a 512 MB RAM VPS or more?
[20:19] <superfly> yes
[20:19] <superfly> the 512
[20:19] <inetpro> ok
[20:20] <inetpro> eish!
[20:20] <superfly> it works pretty well, unless you try to run something ridiculous like EtherPad (which uses OpenOffice!!!)
[20:21] <inetpro> $19.95 vs €7.90 is a big difference
[20:21] <inetpro> what!?
[20:21] <inetpro> etherpad uses OpenOffice?
[20:21]  * inetpro was not aware of that
[20:23] <inetpro> superfly: I'm itching to start my own VPS
[20:23] <inetpro> just for the fun of it
[20:23] <superfly> inetpro: I've had to deal with hetzner a few times, and I honestly don't like them
[20:24] <inetpro> and then maybe when all works out, hosting a site or two for non-profits
[20:24] <superfly> Linode is not the cheapest, but their service is good
[20:24] <superfly> and they don't place any real restrictions on what you do
[20:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:25] <superfly> inetpro: also, apt-get doesn't count toward your bandwidth
[20:26] <inetpro> cool
[20:26] <inetpro> that is interesting
[20:30] <inetpro> superfly: you pay month to month or 12 month?
[20:30] <superfly> month to month
[20:33] <inetpro> ok, at 10% discount it might be worth it to pay once per year
[20:34] <superfly> I wonder if I can change to that... just have to make sure I have enough moola to do so
[20:35] <inetpro> at 24 months you get 15% discount but that's a bit steep
[20:37] <inetpro> but at the current exchange rate could bring down the monthly costs to just below R140 per month
[20:38] <inetpro> month to month looks like about R162.19 per month at the moment
[20:39] <superfly> yeah
[20:40] <inetpro> not a massive difference in the short term but a worsening exchange rate could hurt you in the long run 
[20:42]  * inetpro wonders whether Kilos is still awake
[20:42] <Kilos> bloep
[20:42] <Kilos> now you woke me
[20:42] <Kilos> 22 mins to go
[20:42] <inetpro> hah, falling asleep :-)
[20:42] <Kilos> lol ya
[20:43] <Kilos> thats why i gotta have sound
[20:43] <Kilos> bloep here and bing bong on pidgin
[20:44] <Kilos> dont you guys ever sleep
[20:44] <Kerbero> Kilos: no
[20:44]  * inetpro will have to reconsider priorities before considering a VPS
[20:44] <Kerbero> *bloep*
[20:44] <Kerbero> :P
[20:44] <inetpro> Kerbero: wb
[20:44] <Kilos> wow Kerbero and you said nothing all day
[20:45] <Kerbero> i was sleeping all day
[20:45] <Kilos> Kerbero, you dunno bloep
[20:45] <Kerbero> and now i'm awake
[20:45] <Kilos> haha
[20:45] <Kerbero> it is quarter to 17h on my biological clock
[20:45] <Tonberry> your clock sucks
[20:46] <Kerbero> lol\
[20:46] <Kerbero> jy is vinnig tuis
[20:46] <Kilos> when you get an incoming mail in evolution or a message in xchat pc goes bloep
[20:46] <Tonberry> kar
[20:46] <Kilos> its not a beep 
[20:46] <Kerbero> i've hear it once
[20:46] <Kerbero> then i turned it off
[20:46]  * inetpro checks out South Africa Rand vs US Dollar http://www.rainbownation.com/business/randvsdollar.asp
[20:47] <Kilos> i need sound to know something is happening
[20:47] <Kerbero> hmm
[20:47] <Kerbero> good for exporters
[20:47] <Kerbero> rainbownation
[20:47] <Kilos> or i would never know another im tool was working
[20:47] <Kerbero> isn't it fabulous
[20:48] <inetpro> rand not looking very good at the moment
[20:48] <inetpro> exporters must be smiling thogh
[20:48] <inetpro> though*
[20:49] <Kilos> hasnt looked good for 20 or 30 years
[20:50] <Kilos> i remember R2 to a pound
[20:50] <Kilos> dollar was 60c i think
[20:50] <Kilos> petrol pta to toti R6
[20:51] <Kilos> monthly pay R150
[20:51] <inetpro> sjoe
[20:52] <Kilos> night guys . sleep tight. i go get tea and come get ready to send 700m to ubuntuone
[20:52] <Kilos> julle moet lekker doedoe ou ballies
[22:52] <LelaOrca> hi
[22:52] <not_found> hey LelaOrca 
[22:52]  * not_found is bored and need to feed the trolls