[00:02] I need help [00:03] I installed KDE 4.9 using backports and somehow now after the restart muon software center and the updater is gone [00:03] is there a fix for this? [00:05] nvm I figured it out I can install it by reinstalling muon [00:05] that was just rather odd how it just got removed after installing KDE 4.9 === gani_ is now known as gani [00:23] eendafy: Hi === thiago is now known as Guest950 [03:17] is there anyone alive in the channel? lol [03:17] anyone here? [03:17] helllllooooo out there [03:18] 392 active users not a single one lol [03:24] hello hello hello (echo echo echo) [03:27] lol [03:28] hey where is Keyboard & Mouse in the latest version of 12.04? === thiago is now known as Guest20808 [03:48] endafy: same place as before === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [03:52] Daskreech: its actually not there [03:54] endafy: System settings -> Input devices ? [03:57] Daskreech: thank you [03:58] endafy: Welcome [03:58] been looking over an hour and typing mouse didnt highlight it [04:30] endafy: It did here [04:30] endafy: alt=F2 -> mouse should work as well === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy [04:56] ALguem Portugues? [05:03] !pt [05:03] Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado. === ubuntu is now known as Guest75874 === Guest75874 is now known as ubuntu__ === ubuntu__ is now known as Guest88255 [05:38] hi [05:38] hi [05:39] whats up skreech? [05:39] Not much [05:39] Howare you doing? [05:39] pretty fine mate, thanks [05:40] this is my first IRC chat [05:40] ah well welcome :) [05:40] always syateed in yahoo and google chat, never tried this [05:40] if you have any questions please ask [05:40] thanks :D [05:41] errr, i am still getting the general idea [05:41] is this a room i am in? [05:41] sorry if i use yahoo terminologies [05:41] Yes [05:42] It's often called a Channel but sure it's basically a room :) === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [05:42] haha thanks :) [05:42] so how do i select a room/channel of my own choice? [05:43] you'd type /join and the room name [05:43] which should start with a # [05:43] like /join #kubuntu-offtopic [05:43] i see [05:44] isnt there a room list of some sort somewhere? [05:44] i have no ideaaaa of room names, this is the room whicch my client connected to by default [05:44] idea* [05:45] faiz: There is but this is one of the larger servers so they prefer if you don't get a list of the channels [05:45] it's maybe 25000 ? [05:45] oops [05:45] so too many for you to look through and a lot for them to serve upfor you to give up [05:45] perhaps I can help. What are you looking for? [05:46] i have no idea mate about whats on offer [05:46] just wanted to look around [05:46] thanks for the tip anyway :) [05:47] perhaps you can tell me one thing, the best client for irc chat in your opinion is........... [05:47] faiz: depends on your inclinations [05:48] I like konversation but your needs may be different from mine [05:48] i just have this quassel installed by default here [05:49] i was check8ing what this is and i landed here in the room :P [05:49] Quassel is nice it allows you to run a client server setup which can be pretty neat [05:49] checking* [05:49] if you like having a lot of scripts then X-chat is very good [05:49] if you want something super minimal then irssi is great [05:50] if you want something integrated with your other chat clients then Pidgin is a good candidate [05:50] ease of use is the one i am looking for [05:50] something which wouldnt need a martian to decode [05:51] quassel is not bad till now..will try konversation out [05:51] Well I like konversation It's a non complicated IRC client in my eyes [05:52] yeah, will give it a try [05:52] tell me mate, is the concept of adding friends popular in irc? [05:52] sure [05:52] Umm [05:52] Not really? [05:53] I mean you can kinda but esp in here it's sort of viewed as rude [05:53] i see.. thanks :) [05:53] its a one time stand then ? :P [05:55] No it's just a much larger group. [05:55] Some people have been here years [05:55] in the same room? [05:56] but more so this is a support channel so most people who blast through here just want to ask a question quickly and leave [05:56] Not really a "friend" [05:56] yes [05:56] You can be in thousands of rooms at the same time [05:56] across multiple servers [05:56] err....really!! [05:57] this is interesting!! [05:58] :-) === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 [05:58] how is the weather in georgia anyway? :) [05:59] Hot rainy and filled with fire === Rajesh is now known as Guest56512 [06:02] oops ssorry minor pc problem :) [06:03] Welcoem back [06:03] Welcome even [06:03] thanks mate :) [06:04] so you were telling me how to be ubiquitous... [06:13] http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html < < isn't GNU and Linux the same thing? [06:14] noot really [06:19] faiz, as Ubuntu is based on Debian, and Debian is GNU, is Ubuntu also GNU? [06:21] Guest56512: No [06:21] for your first question [06:22] Ubuntu is based on Debian [06:22] Debian is GNU [06:22] it doesn't follow that Ubuntu is GNU [06:22] actually I think Debian might not be GNU [06:24] Wikipedia says Debian is based on GNU [06:28] "Debian (play /ˈdɛbiən/) is a computer operating system composed of software packages released as free and open source software primarily under the GNU General Public License along with other free software licenses.[5] Debian GNU/Linux, which includes the GNU OS tools and Linux kernel,[6] is a popular and influential Linux distribution." Line copied from Wikipedia: Are they talking about two different OS? [06:28] Debian and Debian GNU/Linux? [06:33] * gnomefreak so confused. why did you ay Debian and Debian? are they not the same? [06:33] a/ay/say [06:34] I said, "Debian" and "Debian GNU/Linux" [06:35] that's what I am asking, are both the same? [06:35] ah ok [06:35] Guest56512: i dont think they are but i havent run Debian in maybe 5 or more years [06:38] Guest56512: Ok if you want a small history lesson I can explain that if you like [06:39] yeah, sure, go on === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [06:41] hey guys, I'm using the new kde 4.9 and when I try under system settings/display and monitor to add a new screen and I press apply nothing changes [06:42] So back when this whole "Free software" Movement started it was done as response to UNIX being very well designed but being cut apart and closed down by companies trying to control profit lines [06:42] disse: It doesnt detect the display? [06:42] it detects it [06:43] I am able to make my changes [06:43] but after applying nothing changes [06:43] Guest56512: So they started a movement to replicate the UNIX design without taking any of the actual code from UNIX so that they couldn't be called thieves or beholden to licenses from the companies. So they made GNU or GNU's Not UNIX [06:44] disse: Sohow are you able to make changes? [06:44] disse: You may need to log out and backin to get the changes seen [06:44] I can click the boxes and so on [06:44] I rebooted 3 times ... [06:44] I mean in different settings [06:44] nothing changed [06:45] Guest56512: The idea was to build over all the tools and libraries and kernel from older UNIXs [06:45] and the configuration set back to it's default [06:45] disse: Oh Hmm what are you trying to change? [06:45] oke, I have a hdmi-0 and a dvi-1 display [06:45] dvi-1 is disabled [06:46] I enabled it and made it to the right of the hdmi-0 [06:46] Then I applied it [06:46] went back to the overview [06:46] and now the funnies [06:46] When I click to the settings again [06:46] It is again deactivated [06:47] I applied the setting and saved it as standart [06:51] Daskreech, ?? [06:51] Guest56512: Ok back :) [06:51] Guest56512: They built most of the toold but couldn't get the kernel up and running (still haven't as a matterof fact) [06:52] disse: do you get both the monitors? [06:53] Guest56512: Along came linus and made a kernel that people could use. Except that a kernel by itself isn't very useful [06:53] no [06:53] I made a little video to demonstrate it [06:53] so people took the GNU tools that already existed and paired them wih the Linux Kernel and the both of them GNU and Linux became the basis of a lot of the work that you see [06:54] disse: Oh .. ok [06:54] Guest56512: So Debian is a GNU/Linux Distro. It puts together GNU tools and the LInux kernel to make something that people can use [06:55] Guest56512: But, for example, Android is a linux distro but it is not GNU since it uses none of those tools [06:55] In the same way PC-BSD is GNU because it ships with the GNU tools but it's not a LInux [06:57] oh.. thanks for the information... [06:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_IjywTSlaE&feature=youtu.be [06:57] not HD [06:57] but I think you can get what it should show [06:57] Guest56512: The GNU tools are most of the commands you are used to running. find, cd, ls, bash etc [06:58] so, what Ubuntu took from Debian.. when we say, Ubuntu is Debian based, what base are we talking about? [06:59] packaging system [06:59] disse: plan on making it not private? [06:59] kk [06:59] Guest56512: The scripts and packaging system [06:59] done [06:59] sry [07:00] usually it makes a good job of taking all thepackages as well but that's not always the case [07:00] and how folders are built [07:00] locations of the folders [07:01] ok, clear :) thanks [07:02] hi faiz [07:02] drat [07:02] :) [07:02] Guest56512: Sure [07:03] if you need any details of my display configurations, just ask :D [07:03] disse: identify outputs doesn't show up on the dvi-0 ? [07:03] dvi-1 is black [07:03] (that's the display you meant) [07:04] another funfact at this [07:04] oh sorry -1 [07:04] If I change it with the nvidia-settings-manager [07:04] noprob [07:04] the screen lights up and it works fine [07:04] oh well thats different [07:05] I am able to save it to the x conf file [07:05] if you are using the nvidia driver you use their manager [07:05] after reboot, you can imagine, it's back the same [07:05] which should work I think [07:05] The xorgconf file changes on reboot? [07:05] nope [07:05] it is the same [07:05] but not loaded? [07:05] I don't know [07:06] hmm [07:08] I'll try setting it by the nvidia-settings-manager and look through the logs [07:08] the real location is /etc/X11/xorg.conf isn't it? [07:09] Would be great if I could remember how to make X read from a particular file [07:09] yes [07:13] next fact: On login screen both displays are working [07:13] after logging in, the right one is disabled and black [07:15] Ah so do you have anything in your ~/.xsession-errors ? [07:16] yes [07:16] any EE ? [07:17] http://nopaste.me/paste/483832362501e1dfc1b09b [07:17] what is an EE [07:18] [07:18] ERROR: Error parsing configuration file '/home/disse/.nvidia-settings-rc' [07:18] but I think that is my problem [07:19] is there a ~/.nvidia-settings-rc ? [07:20] yes [07:22] I think, I got it now [07:22] I executed the program as root [07:22] now trying to reboot [07:24] no... [07:25] disse: what's the permissions on the file? [07:26] -rw-rw-r-- 1 disse disse 1274 Aug 5 09:25 .nvidia-settings-rc [07:28] but the error from failing to read the file is away [07:28] :q! [07:28] sry [07:30] I'm now on the end... [07:30] I'll try more at evening, bye [07:32] Ok [07:32] nini === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] [08:41] hey everyone, is there a way to force kde to shut-down despite error messages about things crashing (usually kwin recently) [08:47] yes [08:47] hit ctrl alt f1 [08:47] log in [08:48] type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop [08:48] OttovonBismarck: [08:48] also log in as root [08:48] sudo -i [08:49] type the following "init 3" [08:49] if kdm stop fails [08:49] Well my problem is leaving the computer on and having ktorrent shut it off when it stops seeding [08:49] use vuze [08:49] ktorrent is in complete shambles [08:50] idk why its even included [08:50] ok, but the problem isn't in ktorrent [08:50] it initiates shutdown finer [08:50] it's that shutdown is stopped by crash messages [08:50] you can also make a script to call rckdm stop when anything finishes [08:51] sounds like you have more issues than just ktorrent then [08:51] update to kde 4.9 [08:51] ? [08:51] so i need to write a script to shut down my computer [08:51] no [08:51] I am saying you can [08:51] yeah i just did, hopefully that improves things [08:52] http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/15380.html [08:52] 4.9 is pretty special [08:52] I like it [08:52] ive only had issues with reinstalling muon [08:52] but having crash notifications permanently stop a requested shutdown seems wrong [08:52] for some reason it completely removed muon on me [08:53] and no obvious way to change that behaviour [08:53] haha the apply:ok bug for wallpapers still exists [08:54] installing 4.9 reset my themes too [08:54] which pissed me off [08:54] 4.8 themes dont upgrade with it so I had to reinstall them [08:54] other than that though its faster and smoother [08:55] hopefully stuff crashes less when it's trying to shutdown [08:55] ive had a crash with rekonq [08:55] seems a little off [08:55] or they have a sane limit on how long crash dialogues can delay a shutdown [08:56] ie: not forever [08:56] right [08:56] as in give it 15 seconds then force it [08:56] I dont generally have issues with KDE [08:56] or a minute, seems like a rational behaviour [08:56] people talk of crashes [08:57] idk what people are doing [08:57] things only crash when i'm shutting it down [08:57] off topic thought, im trying to remember an ex's last name to look her up and its pissing me off [08:57] Why is ktorrent a mess btw? [08:57] Kate [08:57] magnet links are borked [08:58] heh her name happens to be katie [08:58] for the life of me I cant remember her last name [08:58] they work for me, be it slowly [08:58] havent thought of her in years [08:58] try vuze [08:58] vuze is wonderful [08:58] qtbittorrent worked ok for me in the past [08:58] right [08:59] there are a lot of them [08:59] there are even special magnet plugins for firefox [08:59] basically uses firefox downloader to download without uploading jack shit for magnet links [08:59] rude [09:00] not really some people dont have an upload speed thats acceptable [09:00] any upload is acceptable [09:00] like me I have a 5mb dl but my ul speed is like 200k [09:01] basically thats 2k/s irl speed upload [09:01] esp whenyou leave your computer on when you're not on it to torrent under the assumption that it will turn off with no user interaction [09:01] I only use torrent to get legal crap with tons of seeders anyway [09:05] OttovonBismarck: wanna try some fun shit, compile bespin [09:05] bespin is awesome === tonyr is now known as unixpro1970 === unixpro1970 is now known as tonyr === Sigma is now known as Guest90512 [09:43] Good morning [09:46] lordievader: morning:) [09:46] Hey gani, how are you? [09:46] fine:) how r you ??:) [09:47] gani: I'm doing good :), got some good music playing. [09:47] nice:) [10:03] dddd === Drachenblut is now known as Lord_Drachenblut === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 [11:04] Hello all , my keyboard is not working on kde what can i do ? === Rajesh is now known as Guest25908 [11:11] hey [11:11] hoy [11:11] you [11:11] damn [11:11] east___: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [11:11] is here anybody [11:12] east___: this is a support channel, if you have a question, just ask [11:13] hm, seems I missed the question === qwerty is now known as Guest96820 [11:38] Hallo hello. [11:38] Having a brain fart on how to set an application on KDE Startup, /usr/bin/pidgin. [11:40] autostart [11:40] mydogsnameisrudy: Aaaaah, perhaps under System Settings? [11:41] or startupmanager [11:41] hmmm [11:41] mydogsnameisrudy: Thanks, got it, =). [11:42] Digital Clock isn't showing 24-H though, I do have some German stuff enabled, but not sure what to do next. [11:43] rottingdead: Check the country and region settings. [11:43] lordievader_: Yeah, I think I found it, I'll know after 12 PM, it's AM here currently. [11:46] Looks like the Ubuntu servers are congested currently. [11:47] why do you say that rottingdead are they slow? [11:47] mydogsnameisrudy: Yeahp, when I go from 2.5 Megabytes to 50-100 KB/Second in a couple minutes, you know it.. [11:48] hmmm im always that slow ;) [11:48] mydogsnameisrudy: Eeeeeew, DSL, or Dialup? [11:48] dish [11:48] I remember those horrific dialup days, lol.. [11:49] im 30 miles from any town so [11:49] mydogsnameisrudy: Yeah, that stinks. [11:49] I'll wait till later on this download I guess. [11:50] Err, never mind, it's almost done now. [11:57] Anyway, I'm off, see ya's. [12:05] Guys, is 4.9 now released ? [12:07] yo guys ? [12:10] updating to 4.9 right now [12:15] HI all [12:15] Hey BluesKaj [12:15] morning [12:15] hey lordievader_, mydogsnameisrudy === ubuntu is now known as Guest78274 [12:47] * darkmillian appears [12:48] Hello? [12:48] *knocks* [12:48] Good afternoon darkmillian. [12:48] darkmillian, yes ? [12:49] I just installed Kubuntu 12.04, the installation carried-on well, I can get to the login screen [12:50] but once logged in I can't really do anything [12:50] the system just... idk [12:50] hang [12:50] darkmillian: A black screen? [12:50] I can see everything [12:50] I can click the K icon, once [12:51] after that every click on random location would turn the menu on [12:51] even right-clicking [12:52] This isn't my first time using Kubuntu but this problem is just.... wierd... [12:52] darkmillian: Did the live-cd work correctly? [12:52] yes [12:52] Live-USB actually [12:52] I'm using x64 btw [12:53] darkmillian: Hmm, not sure if it is possible with a usb but on the cd you can check for defects, perhaps something got corrupted on the usb which causes this. [12:54] reboot~ [12:54] darkmillian: Anyhow perhaps it is an option to burn Kubuntu to a cd and reinstall through the cd. === licensed_ is now known as licensed [12:55] * BluesKaj thinks this optional USB install procedure is premature ...too many problems with it ...it's constant problem with ubuntu , now it's transferring to kubuntu [13:00] No defect found. === kubuntu is now known as Guest26876 === Guest26876 is now known as darkmillian [13:01] Just rebooted to check for defects, now i'm in live-usb, everything is fine [13:01] darkmillian: Anyhow perhaps it is an option to burn Kubuntu to a cd and reinstall through the cd. [13:02] Mmmm.... [13:06] lordievader_, I think the usb install procedure itself is flawed , there just so many problems with it recognizing hw etc [13:07] BluesKaj: Could be, never trusted it, usually have a rewritable disc laying around and they usually work, so why not use it? [13:08] Hi guys [13:08] I deployed Kubuntu on a laptop computer and have some problems with the paket manager muon [13:08] lordievader_, exactly ..i have several RWs both CD and DVD [13:09] whenever i start it up, it kind of freezes and is continiously accessing the hard drive [13:10] Anybody knows something about this? Already googl'ed but there is nothing to be found [13:10] neg8: Change muon with synaptic and all your problems will go away, muon seems to broken here and there. [13:10] lordievader: k thank you, i will try that [13:14] neg8, have you updated/upgraded lately , muon should be mostly stable now [14:32] * darkmillian re-appears === ryan___ is now known as TheAncientGoat [14:33] Applied updates [14:33] Installed drivers [14:33] still no luck [14:36] help raise money for the KDE e.V. by participating in a usability study about notifications: https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/959309/KDE-Notification-User-Experience-Study [14:38] anyone help me compile custom kernel ? === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] [15:21] is it a known issue that conky quits after 20 mins or is that it a feature? === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 === marc__ is now known as hispeed_m [15:48] hello? [15:49] chafamarc: Hi ? [15:49] chafamarc: hi ? [15:49] BluesKaj: Which conky? The system monitor? [15:51] Daskreech, yeah the little one that sticks to left edge of the scrn in my case , not the one in the kmenu [15:53] Oh hmm I haven't kept up with how maintained conky is. I know it was the most hacked on system monitor for a while but I don't know if it's still maintained [15:53] a lot of hal and udev and upower stuff has changed since then so maybe it's just out of date? === Sigma is now known as Guest87568 [15:54] yeah , it's no biggie ..just thought I'd try it again [16:04] how do I set the cups logging to debug level? [16:09] I think you can set it in the cups config ? [16:09] Daskreech, thanks [16:14] Sure === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [17:05] err is there a way to print to samba printer with out cups? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:18] dougl, I think samba/smb are hard linked to cups ...but afaik there are other methods [17:32] BluesKaj, k - thanks [18:00] hi [18:01] b3jk3r: Hello, how are you? [18:02] You can use lpr as well [18:03] i'm fine thx :) i have small question anyone know how to turn on IPX? [18:04]