[04:37] <gnomefreak> are there any iossues i need to know about?
[06:43] <Stanley00> gnomefreak: you there? I have some issue with the theme, in the top bar, some are black, some are white
[06:47] <gnomefreak> Stanley00: im kind of here but what you are descibing im not sure i know the answer
[06:48] <gnomefreak> ok im out need to get crap done before 4am
[06:48] <Stanley00> gnomefreak: yeah, I can come over that by re select the theme in Appearance...
[07:24] <red_> Morning. Question can I downgrade from Ubuntu 12 to smaller or do i need to reinstall?
[07:25] <wilee-nilee> you will have to reinstall
[07:26] <red_> ok thanks wilee is there ny way to make it smaller to run on my vista laptop quicker?
[07:28] <wilee-nilee> red_, smaller would not make it run faster, what is the chip speed and your ram amount?
[07:28] <red_> sorry not able to tell u all i know this laptop was vista buisness
[07:28] <wilee-nilee> a lighter desktop might help like lubuntu
[07:29] <red_> put ubuntu on the other day from a mag
[07:29] <red_> ok will check out lubuntu
[07:29] <ActionParsnip> lubuntu rocks
[07:29] <wilee-nilee> red_, you might try installing the lubuntu desktop before you reinstall and see if it helps
[07:30] <red_> ok how do i do that can it be done sudo?
[07:30] <ActionParsnip> red_: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[07:30] <red_> sorry i not know much about pc
[07:30] <wilee-nilee> that it
[07:31] <wilee-nilee> thats*
[07:31] <red_> thank you
[07:32] <wilee-nilee> red_, don't tell anyone but ActionParsnip's help is about the best you can get here. ;)
[07:32] <red_> will go do it now
[07:32] <red_> ok
[07:32] <red_> i trust i think
[07:33] <red_> how do i copy from this screen?
[07:33] <wilee-nilee> if you highligt it just paste it to the terminal no save needed
[07:33] <wilee-nilee> or copy needed
[07:34] <wilee-nilee> at least in my client xchat
[07:34] <ActionParsnip> red_: just trype it, it's not a hard command
[07:35] <red_> o well it wont do it just do it old way
[07:36] <red_> just unpacking
[07:42] <red_> still unpacking......
[07:43] <ActionParsnip> you could've installed just lxde but the lubuntu desktop installs a theme and makes it a little nicer
[07:45] <red_> ok i like  nice!
[07:46] <red_> tbh just use chrome
[07:47] <ActionParsnip> SR1161494
[07:48] <red_> so looks like all done shall i reboot now
[07:49] <ActionParsnip> red_: if you want, not really necessary
[07:49] <red_> ok
[07:49] <red_> how will it take affect?
[10:25] <dr_willis> still havent fully figured out the web apps stuff. ;) it work with firefox only or chromium only?
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> i've used it in chrome/ium
[12:15] <BluesKaj> HI all
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> hi BluesKaj
[12:16] <BluesKaj> hi ActionParsnip
[12:23] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, had a startup freeze this morning , after login ... so I used the recovery kernel which installed a couple of libs , something liborc if I recall
[12:24] <BluesKaj> not org , but orc
[12:24] <BluesKaj> but whatever it was seems fixed now
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: weird
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: not seen anything myself but I've been about 20 hours since I used Quantal last
[12:27] <BluesKaj> yeah ,  ActionParsnip , at first I thought my grapphics card was cooked  ..it was such a strange freeze , small wavy lines across part of the screen. Had to do a hard reboot.
[13:20] <edgy> Hi, I cannot do a dist-upgrade because ksirk which belongs to kdegames is cannot be installed, can some please confirm?
[13:21] <penguin42> edgy: I've just installed ksirk here
[13:21] <edgy> penguin42: then let me paste the output I am getting
[13:24] <penguin42> sure pastebin it if it's more than a line or 2
[13:24] <edgy> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1130650/
[13:26] <edgy> penguin42: maybe if you installed kdegames you would see the problem
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> edgy: could remove the games, update then reinstall the games
[13:26] <edgy> ActionParsnip: ok, let me try
[13:32] <penguin42> edgy: Hmm you seem to have a corrupt archive
[13:32] <penguin42> edgy: Delete the ksirk archive from /var/cache/apt/archives and try again - and it's worth running a memory test if you hit any more like that
[13:33] <edgy> penguin42: I am getting lots of chromium segfaults, too, so if you also don't get those, then you are right may be I need to check the memory
[13:33] <edgy> penguin42: do you?
[13:33] <penguin42> edgy: right, don't do an upgrade with dodgy memory
[13:33] <penguin42> edgy: I get an occasional one but it's rare
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> edgy: I'd check it
[13:34] <penguin42> edgy: Give it a few hours in memtest86
[13:34] <edgy> penguin42: the one in the boot menu?
[13:35] <penguin42> yeh
[13:35] <edgy> ok will do, thanks  all
[13:39] <Stanley00> well, I have snall pronlem with fresh install Quantal. In the top bar, I have some white background menus (like sound, sesstion) and others have black background :( What can I do for this issue?
[13:46] <Stanley00> well, looks like I am the only one get this problem, so I just wait for new update then :D
[13:47] <ebischoff> hello people... installed quantal on 2 machines already and it is globally very good. I'm getting no sound on one of the machines (while it worked fine under precise), if someone is interested by this problem I'm here to help debugging it.
[13:48] <penguin42> ebischoff: I'm running kubuntu, so I can't guide you through the gui, but I've got a few things you could try
[13:48] <ebischoff> penguin42: does something else than kubuntu exist?
[13:48] <penguin42> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems  is one source of things to check
[13:48] <ebischoff> :-)
[13:48] <penguin42> ebischoff: Oh well that's fine then :-)
[13:49] <penguin42> ebischoff: So you on Kubuntu then?
[13:49] <ebischoff> switching to private conversation to avoid flooding this chanel, if you like
[13:49] <penguin42> no
[13:50] <ebischoff> ok
[13:50] <penguin42> it's fine to stay on this channel - it's not busy and anyway other people might find the solution to their problem when they look at the log
[13:50] <ebischoff> of course we would have reported the solution here, but as you wish
[13:50] <penguin42> ebischoff: so, you go to system settings-Xmultimedia-Xand select phonon - and then click Audio Hardware setup
[13:50] <penguin42> oops read a > for each X
[13:51] <ebischoff> so this is a mac under kubuntu, just switched it from precise to quantal a few hours ago
[13:51] <penguin42> does it show the correct sound card in the 'Hardware' there?
[13:51] <ebischoff> I'm there
[13:52] <ebischoff> it shows a whole list in the scroll button. Default value is "Integrated audio", I don't know whether it's correct or not
[13:52] <ebischoff> su
[13:52] <ebischoff> oops
[13:52] <penguin42> Password:
[13:52] <ebischoff> lol
[13:53] <penguin42> ebischoff: So for me I see a section labelled 'Hardware' and the top entry is 'Sound card' and I have a choice between Built-in Audio and the HDMI on my Radeon -  what are your choices?
[13:53] <ebischoff> it is on "Built-in audio"
[13:54] <ebischoff> and there is quite a wide range of choices
[13:54] <penguin42> ok, probably right - unless you're using HDMI
[13:54] <penguin42> and then the 'profile' below that - I've got Analogue stereo duplex ?
[13:54] <ebischoff> there's no hdmi, this is a mac so the screen is part of the uc
[13:54] <penguin42> ok
[13:54] <ebischoff> Analogue stereo duplex as well
[13:55] <ebischoff> going through gstreamer, you too ?
[13:55] <penguin42> and then below that Device Configuration, I've got Sound Device: Playback (Built-in audio analogue stereo) and connector Analogue output
[13:55] <penguin42> yeh I also have gstreamer
[13:56] <penguin42> so I assume given the fact you're here, neither of the speaker tests work?
[13:56] <ebischoff> neither of them
[13:56] <penguin42> hmm ok
[13:56] <ebischoff> I have one message in dmesg, don't know if it's relevant
[13:57] <penguin42> what does it say?
[13:58] <ebischoff2> it says:
[13:58] <ebischoff2> [   19.537725] hda_codec: ALC889A: SKU not ready 0x400000f0
[13:59] <penguin42> huh, that sounds relavent, never seen one of those
[13:59] <ebischoff> neither have I
[13:59] <penguin42> ok, can you pastebin the output of the amixer command?
[13:59] <ebischoff2> sure
[14:01] <ebischoff2> http://pastebin.com/T3qmL1jD
[14:04] <penguin42> ebischoff2: Hmm that looks good, assuming anything else on that debug page I linked earlier doesn't work I think you'll have to file a bug against it - you could try booting the older kernel and see if that works
[14:04] <ebischoff> hmmm yes i just removed the old kernel (bad idea)
[14:05] <ebischoff> my instict tells me it has something to do with the new nvidia drivers
[14:05] <ebischoff> i could also try and go backwards
[14:06] <penguin42> unlikely
[14:06] <penguin42> while the nvidia drivers cause pain and damnation, I'm not aware of them causing sound pain and damnation
[14:07] <ebischoff> lol
[14:07] <ebischoff> I found some posts of people fixing sound by setting them up
[14:08] <ebischoff> like this one : http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2012/04/28/how-to-fix-nvidia-hdmi-audio-in-ubuntu-12-04/ (for precise, and for hdmi)
[14:10] <ebischoff2> i am also using  "options snd-hda-intel model=imac91"   in the modprobe configuration, if that rings any bell
[14:14] <penguin42> right but that link was an hdmi one, and I can see how hdmi audio would be connected to the nvidia driver
[14:14] <ebischoff> correct
[14:14] <penguin42> ebischoff2: Why don't you try taking the model= off - maybe that's changed?
[14:15] <ebischoff> will do. doing another test right now, if it fails it will be the next attempt
[14:15] <penguin42> worth seeing if you get the same dmesg
[14:15] <ebischoff> ah, that too, yes
[14:24] <ebischoff> does not fix the problem, does not remove the dmesg
[14:25] <penguin42> ebischoff: I can see some comments on the web about how that the error is not necessarily bad
[14:26] <ebischoff> ok (link?)
[14:26] <penguin42> ebischoff: Shrug - I'm out of ideas; I suggest following the stuff in that debugging procedure, and report a bug - then try an older kernel is my only other bet
[14:27] <ebischoff> ok
[14:27] <ebischoff> thanks for the dialog, anyway
[14:27] <penguin42> no prob
[15:25] <ebischoff> penguin42: with the 3.2.0 kernel, I get the sound again
[15:27] <ebischoff> (and the SKU message is there as well)
[15:29] <penguin42> ebischoff: OK, then best report the bug and mark it as a regression
[15:31] <ebischoff> what is the best procedure to do that?
[15:32] <ebischoff> (I would go to launchpad and file a bug, but i'm sure itr would lack all interesting debugging operation)
[15:32] <penguin42> probably the easiest thing is to boot with the broken kernel and then run    ubuntu-bug audio
[15:33] <ebischoff> audio ? even if we know the bug is in the kernel ?
[15:33] <penguin42> that'll file it on launchpad, add a comment saying it works with the 3.2.0 kernel
[15:33] <ebischoff> (rebooting on the broken kernel)
[15:33] <penguin42> ebischoff: Yeh but it's the audio part of the kernel
[15:33] <ebischoff> ok, understood
[15:36] <penguin42> the audio guys are a different type of mad :-)
[15:37] <Daekdroom> I laughed when I read that out of context ^
[15:37] <ebischoff> oh, i can even remember an article called "linux sound madness"
[15:38] <ebischoff> (or was it "insanity" ?)
[15:38] <LLStarks> anyone running gnome3?
[15:39] <LLStarks> my shortcuts died after latest updates
[15:41] <ebischoff> penguin42: should ubuntu-bug be run as root? it seems frozen
[15:42] <penguin42> ebischoff: Hmm it shoudln't freeze  - I don't think I normally run as root, but it should open a webpage for you
[15:42] <ebischoff> it did not
[15:43] <penguin42> ebischoff: Well as per the standard practice; if you ran it as root and it hung, try running it not as root - or the alternative :-)
[15:44] <ebischoff> :-)
[15:46] <ebischoff> ok, it's a bug in ubuntu-bug, it happens when i chose the correct answer in the peripherial list
[15:46] <penguin42> oh great, then you'd better file a bug....
[15:47] <Daekdroom> ubuntu-bug apport ?
[15:47] <ebischoff> ubuntu-bug audio
[15:47] <ebischoff> oh no, again
[15:47] <penguin42> yeh, use ubuntu-bug apport to report the bug in ubuntu-bug audio :-)
[15:48] <ebischoff> seems to happen evey time it needs to display a YesNo question
[15:48] <ebischoff> the bug is in apport-kde
[15:48] <penguin42> ebischoff: OK, try doing it in a terminal but before you run it do unset DISPLAY
[15:48] <penguin42> (in the same terminal
[15:49] <ebischoff> doing that...
[16:03] <Guest34609> hi
[16:03] <Guest34609> does anyone else have the same issue with me where the graphics has defaulted to VESA: G96 Board - 06010001
[16:04] <Guest34609> have to boot into ubuntu2D only as there is no 3d support
[16:04] <Guest34609> in ubuntu 12.10 aplha 3
[16:06] <penguin42> G96? What's that?
[16:06] <penguin42> motherboard or video card?
[16:06] <Shane_>  nvidia graphics care
[16:06] <Shane_> card
[16:06] <Shane_> before it was displayed as Geforce 9600M GT
[16:07] <penguin42> ok, have you installed the 'additional' driver for that?
[16:07] <Shane_> now i have no 3d support and x.org has defaulted to VESA
[16:07] <ebischoff> penguin42: filed as bug 1033233
[16:07] <Shane_> additional driver was installd yes.  but now I see there is no prop drivers displayed
[16:07] <penguin42> hmm, I'm not an Nvidia user so I'm not too sure
[16:08] <pspeter3> Hi, I've been trying to install ubuntu 12.10 alpha on my Asus UX32VD because I've heard the new kernel supports the hardware better. Unfortunately, after saying it successfully installs, there is no operating system. It seems like I also have an incomplete OS on both drives
[16:08] <Shane_> did an update just 2 days ago and the nvidia drivers are no more
[16:08] <pspeter3> my computer can't work right now so any help would be appreciated
[16:08] <penguin42> Shane_: Probably bes tto wait for someone who knows the nvidia stuff
[16:09]  * penguin42 pats his Radeon
[16:09] <Shane_> thanks penguin
[16:09] <Shane_> hehe
[16:09] <Shane_> when the ubuntu 2d support is removed from 12.10 im stuffed if this bug remains
[16:10] <Shane_> whats the issue pspeter3?
[16:11]  * penguin42 hasn't seen anything about 2d support being removed
[16:11] <penguin42> ebischoff: I've set the status/importance and tags for you
[16:12] <pspeter3> Shane_: For some reason it says during the install process that it can
[16:12] <pspeter3> t read the physical sector assuming 512
[16:12] <penguin42> pspeter3: Does it say whether that's the physical sector on your hard drive or your installation medium?
[16:13] <Shane_> seems that there is an issue with your harddrive. have you tried reformating it first
[16:13] <Shane_> using livecd?
[16:13] <ebischoff> thanks penguin
[16:14] <pspeter3> Shane_: I think it is complaining about my USB drive
[16:30] <cielak> hello everyone
[16:30] <penguin42> hi
[16:30] <cielak> I have a problem upgrading from precise to quantal
[16:30] <penguin42> what happens?
[16:31] <cielak> neither   update-manager -d    nor   do-release-upgrade -d   is aware of quantal
[16:31] <penguin42> ah that's ok
[16:31] <cielak> how should I upgrade then?
[16:32] <penguin42> cielak: Go into the settings on update-manager - there is an option only to show long-term-support verisons and that's probably on
[16:32]  * penguin42 doesn't have a gnome version in front of him at the moment to find the exact name
[16:32] <cielak> penguin42: yay, that was it!
[16:33] <penguin42> cielak: Good! It's there for people who want to stick with LTS and keep it that way
[16:33] <cielak> I wonder why I had it on LTS only... anyway, it works now, great thanks!
[16:33] <penguin42> I think LTS defaults to it, so a fresh precise install puts it that way
[16:33] <cielak> my thoughts precisely :)
[16:33] <penguin42> indeed
[16:34] <penguin42> happy quantaling
[16:34] <cielak> thanks!
[16:45] <Shane_> anyone using an NVIDIA card with 12.10 and have it working in Unity 3D
[17:25] <edgy> penguin42: you are absolutely right, I ran memtest and lots of errors
[17:26] <edgy> penguin42: but I want to know which memory slot has the problem so I can replace it, any hint?
[17:32] <penguin42> edgy: I think there is some diag in the memtest output - it's a bit tricky though to figure it out from software; the best bet is to take halfyour memory out and then rememtest
[17:33] <edgy> penguin42: I haven't open a laptop before, would this void the warranty?
[17:33] <penguin42> edgy: Hey if it's still got a warranty give it the vendor back and tell them to fix it
[17:34] <edgy> penguin42: yes, I will do, but I need the laptop so I want to them to only take the defected ram and give it to me while they order the memory
[17:35] <penguin42> edgy: I don't suppose you have a picture of the memtest output do you?
[17:35] <edgy> penguin42: yes, I have it
[18:08] <edgy> penguin42: sorry I was disconnected and had to reboot, it's really not stable now.
[18:08] <edgy> penguin42: http://imagebin.org/223400
[18:10] <penguin42> edgy: OK, so there seem to be lots of errors and that's just a few - but all in the same byte position; of course the rest have scrolled off
[18:11] <penguin42> edgy: If it's still in warranty I'd phone them up or email them a copy of that picture and ask them what to do, if you're lucky they'll have spare RAM in
[18:12] <edgy> penguin42: no one here understands linux programs, I tried this before and they have thier windows tools which they understand
[18:13] <edgy> penguin42: but I will try to google more, there should be away via software so I can tell which bank is defected, no?
[18:13] <penguin42> I'm not sure - it's not easy
[18:15] <edgy> penguin42: ok, thanks, you have done me a great favor
[18:21] <budda> exit
[21:19] <pspeter3> is this a good guide on how to mount a second hard drive to my system http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Adding_a_New_Disk_Drive_to_an_Ubuntu_11.04_System
[21:21] <pspeter3> I'm using ubuntu 12.10 and just want to make sure the instructions are still valid
[21:22] <MrChrisDruif> pspeter3; For support of 12.04 (current release) please use #ubuntu (this channel is for the development version currently 12.10 Quantal Quetzal)
[21:22] <MrChrisDruif> Ah...
[21:25] <MrChrisDruif> pspeter3; I just checked the link and it contains all kinds of terminal commands. So I think these would work on ANY linux distro, not only Ubuntu
[21:25] <pspeter3> MrChrisDruif: I thought that would be true. I just wanted to make sure that would be mountable and not mess with grub
[21:26]  * MrChrisDruif isn't 100% sure, but about 99%
[21:27] <pspeter3> sounds good
[21:36] <pspeter3> MrChrisDruif: Do I have to chmod the drive to give me permissions to use it?
[21:37] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know...I'd suggest following the instructions
[21:40] <shane_> anyone else having issues with nvidia-current ?
[21:41] <AdolfHittler> !ops
[21:42] <shane_> hey guys anyone having the same issue as me with the nvidia-current
[21:43] <shane_> The following packages have unmet dependencies.  nvidia-current : Depends: xorg-video-abi-12
[21:43] <shane_> any idea how I can fix it for the short term
[21:44] <shane_> I have looked in the apt cache but I cant roll back to a pevious nvidia driver deb
[21:44] <IdleOne> login to unity2d and wait for the packages to get updated
[21:44] <shane_> Oh beleive me I am in unity2d and its horrible
[21:45] <IdleOne> shane_: better than nothing for now.
[21:45] <shane_> have some crazy screen res of 1280x720, im so used to 1920x1080
[21:45] <shane_> yeah thats true, any ideas when it will be built?
[21:46] <IdleOne> I'm guessing ASAP
[21:46] <shane_> is there a ppa I can follow.
[21:46] <IdleOne> no idea
[21:46] <shane_> hehe yeah lets hope so, thanks for the info
[21:48] <shane_> I hear there is rumour of a new theme for 12.10 is this true, as I knew from looking at Marks website he says that brown is out
[21:49] <shane_> hey pspeter did it work?
[21:51] <shane_> is your Asus all up and working now pspeter?
[21:52] <shane_> dang he left not sign in :)
[23:07] <edgy> Hi, I remember something like /proc/.../bootparam that would tell you the boot parameters but I couldn't find it, any hint?