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dogmatic69hamitron: according to Azelphur they are heading the same way as cpu's. eg useless.00:10
hamitronthey are00:14
hamitronbut I want one anyways00:14
dogmatic69obviously making too much money mining :P00:14
hamitronI bought the 6770 instead of fpga00:14
hamitronbecause I wanted better gpu in a couple of my machines at the time00:15
hamitronit is the ASIC that are only useful for bitcoin mining, I struggle to convince myself to buy00:15
ali1234ASIC doesn't obsolete GPU in the same way as GPU did to CPU... the jump is not so big00:16
* penguin42 wonders how much of an ASIC it is - there are companies that have a FPGA-XASIC system that's not very optimal but will give an improvement00:16
penguin42a lot cheaper than the few $1M or more for a full ASIC build on a modern process00:17
hamitronali1234: 450MH to 40,000MH is not a jump?00:17
ali1234not when you consider power usage00:18
ali1234after factoring the probability that the thing uses 2x more power than they claim, and gets only 0.5x the hash that they claim00:18
hamitronhehe, yeh00:19
hamitronI've decided I'm not buying any ASIC, until I see it00:19
hamitronI may lose out on the initial high profit00:20
hamitronbut better than risking a load of cash imo00:20
ali1234buy a used fpga cheap00:20
hamitronbutterfly labs are offering a trade in for their fpga units00:20
hamitronI'm wondering if they may offer reconditioned units cheap later00:21
hamitronwhich would be kind of cool, because you can re-program them to calculate other things00:21
* penguin42 wonders why they sell their own FPGA cards as opposed to just selling an image for someone elses00:21
hamitronsomeone elses?00:22
penguin42FPGA dev cards are pretty common00:23
hamitronyeh, but they tend to be more expensive from what I've seen00:24
hamitronbut more flexible ofc00:24
penguin42there are some cheap ones00:24
ali1234probably because they don't want some toe-rag to steal their firmware and rip them off00:24
hamitronthat too00:24
ali1234and also because they have a chip fab plant00:25
hamitronpenguin42: where? :/00:25
penguin42hamitron: http://www.xess.com/prods/prod055.php are kind of low end ones00:25
ali1234i suspect their original fpga design has some accelerated sha asic blocks too00:25
penguin42they use the Xilinx Spartan series00:25
ali1234but maybe it's just a generic fpga design with the serial numbers filed off00:25
penguin42ali1234: It's probably a one-time-programmable FPGA00:26
penguin42they're cheaper than the programmable ones - but you have to make sure you get it right :-)00:26
hamitronit can't be, you can upload new "functions"00:26
penguin42the larger/more complex FPGAs cost more of course00:27
penguin42but there again, if as you're saying the data rate is very low - then why make it a PCI board00:27
ali1234it isn't00:28
ali1234it's a box that you plug in on usb00:28
hamitroneven appears as a serial port00:29
ali1234"Ok, so now we are in the desert, and you find a genie, and you ask the  genie to make the carrot fresh again, and then wish a starving  billionaire would appear in front of you"00:29
penguin42oh right then, probably pretty easy to build yourself that type of thing in a few days using the free FPGA tools00:29
penguin42then it's just proportional to how much you'll pay for the FPGA00:30
hamitronthe results on the fpga dev boards I've seen, don't seem that cost effective00:31
hamitronotherwise I'd have grabbed one00:31
hamitronas things stand, I'd get a de0-nano just for playing with, then another for btc mining00:31
penguin42they don't clock particularly fast00:31
ali1234altera better supported on linux00:32
ali1234or so i'm told00:32
penguin42I've done Xilinx on Linux (on Ubuntu)00:33
hamitronI used altera at uni on linux00:33
penguin42(a few years ago - haven't done much with my board for a while)00:33
hamitronseemed ok00:33
penguin42hamitron: Well then, go build yourself a SHA256 FPGA00:35
hamitronalways seem to be busy these days00:36
hamitrondoing 4x15 hour days each week atm00:37
hamitronso whilst I do have days off, I like to recover00:37
Azelphurwhy does nobody want to recommend some nice small laptops :(00:38
hamitronI saw a nice lenovo in staples00:38
Azelphurhamitron: link?00:38
* hamitron goes look00:38
Azelphurthat's pretty good actually, nice price too00:41
hamitronyou'd ahve to do price checks00:41
hamitronI not looked around00:41
Azelphur5 hours battery life is a bit meh, but I do have the extra universal battery00:41
hamitronor looked at specs closely00:41
hamitronbut it looked good00:41
Azelphuroh hey it has a radeon, that's nice too00:41
hamitronand felt good00:42
Azelphurcould probably do a little bit of gaming on that00:42
Azelphurali1234: that's nice, bit too big though, ideally looking <=11"00:44
Azelphur11" fits in my coat pocket :D00:45
Azelphuroh god, google taking over my everything00:45
ali1234well obviously you wipe it and put ubuntu00:45
Azelphurnah, would prefer a standard computer, I already have a Galaxy S3 and probably getting a nexus 700:45
ali1234chromeOS sucks00:45
Azelphuroh, they can take Ubuntu?00:45
Azelphurdon't they have an ARM chip which has limited compatibility?00:45
ali1234i5 dual core00:46
penguin42do they have any local storage?00:46
ali123416GB ssd00:46
Azelphurprobably would want to swap that SSD out, a bit too small00:46
penguin42so no then :-)00:46
Azelphur(I have a 40GB SSD on the table that would do fine)00:46
ali1234you want the moon on a stick00:46
hamitronali1234: you've worked it out00:46
ali1234i dont knw if you can swap the hd on chromebook00:46
penguin42ali1234: Problem is chromebooks just seem to be more expensive than stuff with windows on which seems sad00:46
* hamitron just uses windows00:47
ali1234not really, cheap windows laptop/netbooks are pretty bad00:47
ali1234chromebook is actually nice hardware apparently00:47
AzelphurI like the idea of the decent bios that the chromebook has00:48
AzelphurI bet it'd boot fast00:48
ali12348 seconds00:48
Azelphur8 seconds with Ubuntu?00:48
ali1234probaly not00:48
Azelphurlol was gonna say00:48
Azelphurwould be cool to dual boot it00:48
Azelphurbit pricey for my requirements though00:50
ali1234moon on a stick00:51
hamitronI still think you are missing out, not having a windows phone00:51
Azelphurali1234: not really, I want a laptop for web browsing / im and decent battery life. An atom would be fine00:51
ali1234get a second hand netbook from ebay00:51
hamitronthem acer ones are cheap00:52
hamitronmaybe for a reason00:52
* hamitron shrugs00:52
AzelphurI've had bad experience with acer, they seem to make terrible touchpads00:52
ali1234moon... stick...00:53
ali1234the acer ones are cheap because they sold millions of them00:53
Azelphurali1234: I'd like it to turn on00:53
* Azelphur waits for moon, stick00:53
Azelphuryea, that's actually the exact netbook I was referring to when I said bad touchpad00:54
AzelphurI had the privilege of working with one of those for a while, I ended up vncing it because it was just totally unusable.00:54
Azelphurali1234: as a sidenote I'd like 1080p video playback too00:55
ali1234it has a great touchpad00:55
Azelphuris today opposite day00:55
Azelphuralso from what I hear anything less than N4xx atoms chug battery, which is also not great :)00:56
hamitronI wish I could get my hands on that Eee PC that had the AMD Geode cpu in it00:57
hamitronunfortunately, it appeared to be targeted for poor countries like Italy and Poland00:58
Azelphuryea, I had an eee before it was really nice, sold it to jacobw00:58
* Azelphur is filled with regret00:58
hamitronthey are nice00:58
hamitronbut also this Geode version used a weird SiS chipset00:58
hamitronand there were still windows 98 drivers for it00:59
hamitronbattery life was really bad though00:59
hamitronand the cpu was only an i58600:59
hamitronso 10.04 only, or debian00:59
Azelphurhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ASUS-Eee-PC-1225B-SIV064M-Netbook-/330767469369?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item4d03470b39#ht_570wt_907 this looks quite nice, maybe this o.O01:00
Azelphurali1234: hmm, I'm actually having trouble finding the i5 chromebooks, you got a link?01:06
Azelphuron the chromebook website they are all atoms or "intel core" processors01:06
ali1234it's because the chromebox is i501:07
ali1234the chromebook is atom01:07
ali1234or maybe not01:07
ali1234i dunno01:07
dogmatic69Is it possible to have the same wallet files shared to different pc's01:18
Azelphurdogmatic69: you need a determinalistic wallet for that, use electrum01:25
MartijnVdSsince today's upgrades, banshee crashes every time it switches to a new song after playing one06:41
jacobwGB @ #3 :)07:26
brobostigongood morning everyone.08:57
brobostigonmorning jacobw09:01
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mattti don't understand the schooling system here09:16
ali1234uphill both ways!09:17
KrimZonon the other hand, I cycle downhill to work - I wouldn't want it to be uphill on the way in09:41
bigcalmHello peeps :)09:57
brobostigonhello bigcalm :)09:57
bigcalmIf I greet peeps in here, it would be less rude if I were to not then leave the room for ages10:10
bigcalmHi brobostigon, having a good day?10:10
brobostigonbigcalm: not bad upto now, still half asleep, and you?10:11
bigcalmLooking forward to the thunderstorms that are forecast for later today :D10:12
bigcalmHumm, well they were forecast on my phone10:12
bigcalmBBC weather doesn't think we'll be getting any10:12
bigcalmLots of rain though, maybe I should mow the lawns while it's still dry :S10:13
brobostigonsame here yes, loads of rain. and maybe thinder etc.10:16
wayne__Hi all, lauchpad is asking for my ssh key, how do i extract said key from my laptop?11:15
ali1234wayne__: it's in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub11:15
ali1234or possibly not rsa but something else11:15
ali1234but you need the .pub file not the other one11:15
wayne__gotcha thanks11:16
jacobwwayne__: use ssh-keygen to generate the keys if they don't exist11:27
wayne__jacobw: thanks but im sorted now11:38
wayne__whats the command to change irc chat name?11:50
brobostigon /nick newnick11:51
wayne__dosnt work11:51
brobostigonno spaces at the front,11:52
wayne__nope none11:52
brobostigonyou client doesnt support that then.11:52
wayne__what client do you recommend for unbuntu 12.04?11:53
brobostigoni use irssi, and have for years, it a terminal client, i do not recommend it, but i dont know any others to be honest.11:53
wayne__fair enough11:53
wayne__thanks for your honesty11:54
SuperEngineerthunder?  you send me thunder?! Oi! you upstairs! this is *not* suitable weather for my day off - #sortit !11:58
MartijnVdSbut thunder is cool11:58
SuperEngineer[only if you get inside b4 wet stuff falls from the sky11:59
lubotu3A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines12:00
n1md4is it possible to launch ncurses (debian style) installer from live ubuntu cd?12:10
n1md4...having read around, it would appear I've to install using the alternative iso, create the raid there, and I can then install mythbuntu-desktop.  Far too long winded, is it not possible to include raid and lvm in the gui installer?12:21
penguin42n1md4: I don't think so but it's a while since I tried12:40
penguin42n1md4: but I wouldn't worry about using the alternative iso - it's easy enough, just not pretty12:42
penguin42n1md4: I can find a note that there were plans to support software raid in the standard install bu tit looks like it never happened: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-software-raid-in-ubiquity-for-desktop-install13:44
SuperEngineerToday's lesson #1 - when running a bath... don't forget you're running a bath!15:04
SuperEngineerToday's lesson #2 - when using just the hot tap... don't stick your arm in to pull pull plug!15:05
SuperEngineer* pull the...15:05
SuperEngineerToday's lesson #3 - there isn't an app in the s/w centre to politely translate subsequent swearing!15:07
penguin42oh that could be an interesting challenge15:07
penguin42the bug entries for it would be fun; 'Does not provide suitable translation for _____'15:07
SuperEngineer... me likey15:07
SuperEngineer['spose it could be quite easy - all nasties translated to a polite "oh darn", or "oh drat"!]15:11
penguin42SuperEngineer: Oh it would have to find the appropriate time to use such phrases as sugar, drat, turlingdrome, swut and joojooflop; or maybe even Belgium15:13
SuperEngineerperhaps app should translate all phrases to "shout that louder - you'll feel better"!15:14
SuperEngineer...followed by - "next time, don't be so stupid!"15:15
shaunoI'm sort of jealous of anyone who can fill the bath with hot water in one shot15:15
SuperEngineershauno:  que?15:16
jacobwi really need to figure out how to turn the gas on in this flat15:17
SuperEngineerbtw - Andy Murray just won15:17
SuperEngineershauno - don't!15:17
* penguin42 wonders where that lightening/thunder suddenly came from15:18
SuperEngineerif you can't work out how to turn it on - using it will be dangerous15:18
jacobwirritatingly, my flat has 4 boilers, the kitchen and bathroom sinks each have an electric boiler, while the bath and radiator each have a gas boiler15:18
SuperEngineerpenguin42: I sent it away from here - it was getting me down ;015:18
SuperEngineerjacobw: hmmm... pay the bill?15:19
jacobwi have to work out how to pay the bill, i live in germany and i don't speak german15:20
SuperEngineerbtw - we've got silver & bronze in the "jump the dead horse" event15:21
* jacobw resolves to learn more german15:21
SuperEngineer...apparently - a.k.a. pommel horse15:21
dwatkinsjacobw: how long are you there for?15:28
jacobwi don't know yet15:29
penguin42really heavy rain after that thunder; I bet some places will have flood problems15:29
jacobwit's just finised raining here15:29
SuperEngineerjacobw: Ich möchte meine gasrechnung bitte. Ich fühle mich dumm Bohrungen durch mein Nachbar's wall.15:31
jacobwja, und wie kann ich antworted verstehen? :)15:32
dwatkinsjacobw: you could use e-mail to contact them, in theory15:34
jacobwi'll sort it out before winter15:34
dwatkinsA lot of Germans tend to speak pretty good English in my experience, but that's mainly from talking to people in the IT industry, where it's probably more likely.15:34
jacobwah, rural area ;)15:34
jacobwit's like finding french speakers in hull15:35
dwatkinsYou could always call them up and ask politely "Es tut mir leid, ich bin Englander, sprechen Sie Englisch?"15:35
dwatkins(yes, apologise for being english, go on...)15:35
dwatkinsplaying on stereotypes often helps15:35
jacobwi haven't tried hard enough yet, it's on my to do list :)15:35
jacobwthat is true, sometimes it's easier to pretend that i don't speak any german to avoid starting anything in german15:36
jacobwit's easy for conversations to escalate from simple to complex language15:36
penguin42ooh that one was directly over head15:37
SuperEngineerGetting confused. One of the clouds over here keeps getting brighter... seems to be a wierd yellow circle in it.15:51
penguin42sounds unlikely15:52
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penguin42http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75ESD9PBOw  inspired use of an exercise ball16:52
dwatkinspenguin42: yeah, I'm surprised it didn't pop17:24
penguin42oh those things take quite a bit of abuse; I only know of one case of one popping in our office - under our lightest employee17:33
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penguin42oh curious; synergy has started working - it only does that very very rarely19:11
diploAny londoners about ?20:02
alanmacdiplo, Im not a Londoner but I live in London20:02
diploThat's enough, decided to take my kids to national history museum about an hour ago and working out my way down20:03
diploNr Bath20:03
diploWas going to Hounslow Central and tube/train to there20:03
diploPiccadily line from what i can work out20:03
diploJust wondering on tickets etc, I've heard Oyster cards mentioned on here.. go that route or just buy tickets when i get there ?20:04
diplome and a 4&5 year old20:04
alanmacOyster is cheaper and the deposit on the card itself is 100% refundable20:04
alanmachowever if you're not planning on coming back any time soon I wouldn't bother20:05
diploNah, well not for a month or 3 anyway20:05
alanmacwith your kids... I dont know if they get on the tube for free or if they need their own cards to20:05
alanmaconly 24.... kids are a long way off hopefully20:05
diplounder 5 did for defo, havn't checked to see if 5 year olds are free as well20:05
daubersdiplo: Might be worth looking at rail passes as well (As you can get them with the tube on the card)20:05
diploI was trying for my first then alanmac :)20:06
diploThis is for the morning though, how easy is it to get these cards etc  ?20:06
alanmacrush hour is likely to be hell20:06
daubersdiplo: When I go to London I get them from the machine on the platform20:06
alanmacI would aim for 10:00/10:30 +20:07
daubersYeah, you'll get off peak cards then too (much much cheaper)20:07
diployeah, leaving here 9am ish, aim to be in hounslow for 10-10:3020:07
daubersdiplo: They're travelcards20:08
diplota reading now20:09
diplojust booking us into dino area as well20:09
daubersWhen I used to go off peak fro reading -> paddington one of those with tube was £25-3020:09
diploMy ex wife would be going looney now if i said right were going to london tomorrow without organising anything a few weeks in advance20:10
diploLooks like about £8 when i checked earlier from hounslow20:10
daubersdiplo: The travelcards cover your train journey to London as well (if you're taking the train to London)20:11
diployeah, so basically driving to Hounslow Central ( mates advised me to go there ) park there with the car for the day20:12
diploAnd train/tube it direct from there20:12
daubersAh, in that case you don't want a travel card :)20:12
diplo30 min tripi20:14
diplono mention of prices on tfl site20:15
diploah blimey hard work to plan this20:15
diploDoes this mean im going through Zones 4-1 ?20:16
MartijnVdSShort about the 100m final on BBC1 "Alan Bell - Official Starter"20:19
* DJones realises why AlanBell hasn't been on IRC much in the last few days, BBC have just interviewed him as the offical starter20:19
MartijnVdSAlanBell: ^20:19
MartijnVdS^ teh shiney20:24
AzelphurI'm thinking about buying 4 of these http://bit.ly/OCDm9e o.O20:25
MartijnVdSyour house is that big?20:25
MartijnVdSAlanBell: what would you use them for though?20:35
MartijnVdSAzelphur: ^20:35
AzelphurMartijnVdS: to replace my current ones20:38
AzelphurI have 4 monitors atm, 1920x1200, wanna upgrade :)20:38
diplothanks for help daubers / alanmac20:38
MartijnVdSAzelphur: do you use them?20:38
AzelphurMartijnVdS: yep, using them right now :)20:38
zleaphow do i use boot options with linux boot:20:39
diploSeems simple enough. leave at chippenham off at juncton 3 of m4 hounslow central then South kensington20:39
diploAs my son says 'simples'20:39
MartijnVdSAzelphur: ALL of them?20:39
AzelphurMartijnVdS: yes20:39
MartijnVdSAzelphur: that's one big irssi terminal20:39
AzelphurMartijnVdS: can't use irssi effectively while chatting on lots of channels at the same time20:39
AzelphurI have a tiled IRC setup20:40
MartijnVdSzleap: Hold shift while starting, you get the boot loader screen, it has a list of keys you can use at the bottom20:40
MartijnVdSdiplo: ?!?!20:40
zleapfriend is trying to boot a macboot (old one) with 10.1020:40
MartijnVdSpowerpc mac?20:40
zleaphe got the boot: prompt pressed enter and he gets  a blank screen so I guess there is a option somewhere to disable or enable things20:41
zleapyeah ppc mac20:41
MartijnVdSthose are different :)20:41
zleapits power pc20:41
zleapas in processor20:41
diploMartijnVdS: Off to National history museum in the morning, guys were giving me some advice20:41
MartijnVdSzleap: yeah, I don't know which bootloader they use these days20:41
MartijnVdSzleap: I used my last PPC mac in '01 or something20:42
zleapi am sure there is something you caqn type at the boot:   bit just can't remember20:42
MartijnVdSyou can20:42
MartijnVdSit's openfirmware20:42
MartijnVdSoh wait20:42
MartijnVdSare they still using yaboot?!20:42
MartijnVdSor are they on grub220:43
MartijnVdSzleap: http://swoolley.org/man.cgi/8/yaboot20:44
MartijnVdSzleap: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot ?20:45
ikoniarandom UK olympic question, did we end up sending Dwane Chambers in the end ?20:48
ikoniawatching the 100 meters final, and discussing if he didn't get sent or just didn't get through20:48
MartijnVdSikonia: http://www.london2012.com/athlete/chambers-dwain-1250041/20:50
ikoniacan't find any info on his heats, I guess he just didn't get through then20:50
MartijnVdShe didn't get through20:51
ikoniaafter all that....20:51
zleapIt's an iBook g3 800mhz20:52
ikoniabolt just beat the olympic record20:52
MartijnVdSzleap: same generation as my green imac ;)20:52
zleapwil see if the video boot options work20:53
MartijnVdSI used to run Debian on it20:54
MartijnVdSdiplo: yes! Tomorrow morning!20:54
r1sc12.53.178.253 3133720:59
MartijnVdSI have a hard time understanding Blake :|21:03
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